Hah!

C'mon don't be such a Kant 🗿

This!! 😅

Lol

Love it 😂

I couldn't stop laughing, best analogy ever!

lolol and i think ghandi said it in the other mandela universe ^^

I LOL’d on that one too!

16:10 for anyone wondering

where is the joke though? honest question.

Imma kindergardener and I confirm

The fact I still understood very little then might not be good news for me

@@user-lj9we2rf1n that's not true. You can watch the video multiple times or try writing out the script for yourself. The video has a very complex topic as basis and understanding the whole philosophy in one go is not easy if you're not already accustomed to the ideas surrounding it. The video is really well made. If any, I'd recommend you'd take notes for this or watch/listen to it multiple times, because realising that being moral means not wasting your potential is an important idea for people of all ages and times, and can improve anyones livfe manifold if they act upon it. You're not dumb, and telling yourself you are is immoral. Have a great day.

@@-RobertW

I believe it's not wrong to say author of this video got Kantscious

Sounds a lot like "Love thy neighbors as (you love) yourself." Jesus of Nazareth

Indeed

A fundamentalist principle of gynocrntric spiritualism is PREACHING Altruism without ever practicing it, for any reason other than making yourself look good. Sadly, this is the foundation of modern politics & religion.

@@tonybrown7241 That is true, except for the part about it being gynocentric. If anything, it is more likely to be androcentric. But hypocrisy doesn't really have a gender.

You are wrong about this. Look into utilitarianism. It's gonna fix your issue

A bit like the average corporate stooge

Evil begins in the absence of God

as you can see how animals are treated.

Someone read Pterry?

Granny Weatherwax ❤

Thanks for you comment. I always learn from comments like your.

Good luck

YES!

Can you give examples of what chasing the meaning behind your actions is?

@@geekahertz Sure! So, for example, I am a homesteader. Why? What is the meaning behind all the extra physical and mental work I have to do to live this lifestyle? Well, I have to first define homesteading as a Means, or the end. For me and my wife, its a means. We are doing this so that we become physically and mentally healthier, and raise our children in such a way as to teach them practical life skills that are not easily taught in a neighborhood, especiallyone with an HOA. The "end" here is to produce responsible young men, who will be productive not only for themselves, but to their family, community and friends. I homestead, but I also work as a mechanical engineer....engineering work is the means I use to afford the homesteading lifestyle. Its important I think, to make sure my "end" is serving of others. Once I maintain that servant mindset, I in turn get to enjoy my experience through life more, than if I was self-serving. So far, it has proven true, that serving others brings more satisfaction.

The golden rule. Love thy neighbour as yourself - "because he is yourself. Literally." Bill Hicks. "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.".

"Everyone is just the same person inside a body with extremely different experiences." Thats a bunch of hogwash. This is the kind of hypothesis that rises from too much deep thinking and not enough living life. Some people are psychopaths, born that way. Some adjust to that and lead useful and productive lives while others become serial killers but they are both fundamentally different from the average person. They aren't psychopaths because they had different experiences.

Sounds like The Egg Theory: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/oGaXl4GWnYiKwn0.htmlsi=UwFrh9iVYAVUPVwi

Yeah but not everyone wants to be treated the same as you. Work on understanding people instead. By assuming they are just like you, you are merely projecting yourself on them thereby robbing them of their autonomy and falling short of empathy. Like you said everyone has different experiences and that's what matters.

this is not necessarily what he means, cause you could be treating yourself horribly and therefore unto others as well

@@agnesarellano6033 True. I think Jesus took the assumption that the listener was in a healthy mental state of self-worth. It's definitely an issue that projecting one's own self-loathing onto others leads to all sorts of horrific acts.

Do unto others as you would have them do to the person you love and respect the most.

But first love god with all your mind and heart .

Everyone is the main character in _their_ story. You are still the main character in your story, but recognizing other people as people and not treating them like NPCs is supposed to be the goal here right? Although, there are some people who act like straight up wind-up dolls.

Well done. Kant is difficult to be taken for granted, but you managed to deliver his ideas as axioms that need to be researched to be debatable. Astonishing outcome and my respect!

Yes I agree. When an 7' tall alpha bully at work gets angry and yells to coerce others into doing things his way then this is unethical and immoral because he is using others as a means to an end. Normally I just choose to not react out of stoicism and being a sigma, but he is getting out of hand. Because I have self respect, tonight I will tell this bully off. Thank you.

Interesting and timely perspective. I'm deciding whether to take a promotion earn more money and undoubtedly more stress and workload. The comfortable mindset is telling me to ignore it, ya dont need the stress, your job is great and it suits your lifestyle, but then the promotion and increased income is also a drawcard, and I'm stuck trying to weigh up what's more important - effing nightmare! Right, with that out of the way, lets see if this vid has any solutions. Edit: i agree with the progression from living life with the promiscuities of modern life, and maturing into middle age and reconciling all the things that have brought you to that point. Knowing thyself, probably the only takeaway i got from this vid, everything else is now common sense, at least to progressive societies.

Didn't Kant come up with the "universal principle" in which a behavior can only be deemed moral if everyone in society could engage in the same behavior without destroying its own ability to exist? For example, lying is immoral because if everybody were to engage in lying then communication would be destroyed thus making lying impossible because no one would bother to talk to each other. Stealing is immoral because if everyone were allowed to steal no one would own property thus making theft impossible.

​@@sadgearmy4892let us know how it goes 😅

Spend some time out of town it will change how you view the world

Just like me fr.

Then find something to do and find someone to love (even if that's under conjecture of some-things and ones to love like pets, hobbies, family, people, places, hanging out, routines etc). In a way, it circles around with something to do, but if you love those to-dos then your view gets that much brighter.

​@@redlight3932 in theory that sounds great. I'm just getting by financially so I imagine spending some time out of town could involve running out of gas and foraging my way back to civilization, or just perish.

@@redlight3932 Yeah because everyone has disposable money to just call off work and f*** off to wherever

Yes, this video hit me hard because im 40 and finally got some discipline and I am on a journey of self-imporvement. You become a beacon of hope for everyone in your life that sees the improvements you have made. Then you see others improving themselfs as well and the world around you becomes a better place.

Same here. I was so hard on myself when I was 19 that I'm not waking up at 5a.m. like Steve Jobs does, and I don't exercise 2 hours a day like that dude on UKposts. I really feel you 😅

@@FoozyWoozy mimicking successful people will never lead to success, at least not on trivial matters like when you wake up. Forge your own path

This kind of thinking is RUINING our nation. Perpetual adolescence is NOT the answer. 18 is considered adulthood and people should act like adults at 18. Don’t excuse your own or others’ behavior because they aren’t old enough yet. Grow up dude. Get off your parent’s couch.

@@FoozyWoozyextending your adolescence isn’t the answer either. Don’t you want to be like the loser Kant, wasting 12 years of your life and being meaningless??? Or don’t you want to change the world.?

@@Mawyman2316it absolutely will increase your chances at success. You don’t mimicking ppl, youre mimicking the behaviors that make ppl successful and in turn building self-discipline required to find and maintain your own potential

Yuri Bezmenov knows why.

Wasnt it for you? My philisophy class spent half a school year only on kant and in total 2 years just on ethics.

i love your mindset and how you were able to aim for a positive outcome ❤️

That proposition is unbelievably naive, as was Kant's idealism.

@@Sweethands4 Agreed!

Autistic behaviour. Not possible for most humans.

Imagine how wonderful that would be if we lived in a world where everything and everyone was honest and transparent.

@@dixiedownunder1 It would be better, overall, for sure, if people state things that are objective, relevant, and not redundant (like telling someone fat that they're fat, unless the fat person doesn't believe that they're fat).

I mean, that sounds good, but lots of especially young people don't feel that they have worth -- partly due to cultural messaging, partly because they're not contributing that much (they can't afford to have children) and partly because they're just another interchangeable person and the world wouldn't be different if they stopped existing. I'm not saying that people have no worth, I'm saying that people feel that they have no worth.

I would also argue they not only have worth, they also have the means to have children, many first world problems are entirely mental. if there is a will, there is always a way. its a universal truth in the human condition. Humans naturally have a self defense mechanism put into them biologically even, aside psychologically since birth. Humans naturally want to keep living, and when humans are fired at and put under direct attack. We defend ourselves. whether if its fight or flight situations, even reputations publically, or even when people are insulted on the internet or in person, are people prone to fight back and stick up for yourself? When you get bullied as a kid, you learn fast how to appreciate yourself the longer you survive, and know your worth, and to not let people get away from telling you different. People start sticking a finger in your face and telling you that you aren't any good. to "Afford" to have children is a cultural concept that is an arbitrary line drawn telling you that you can't survive with what you have, much less children. and it puts people in the spot where they self defeat themselves and even prevent pursuing from having kids. Fear is what controls the masses, and it controls people from living life and having kids. If a woman really really loves children and really wanted a future with kids, it isn't gonna stop her hearing what the world has to say over money. Money is only as powerful in your life as you let it be on your mind. what i was saying is that people need to stop FEELING so much when it comes to their worth as a human, and simply look at their actions of survival. most people, even depressed people still have their self defense mechanism implanted in their very bodies. the world doesn't matter so much as what you do in the world, and you do things not to change the world, but you do things for the sake of it. You don't become mother theresa or Einstein because you decided you wanted to put your mark on human history. They became who they are simply because they felt a mission to do specifically what they had done, they felt they had to do it. @@lightworker2956

Society, both men and women, teach young men they're worth nothing unless their deeds amount to something. The only thing, which came from the Men's Rights Movement initially, that Mr. Tate is right about. It's the ugly cloth that coats all socialization of boys growing up.

@lightworker2956 That changes nothing other than difficulty of the task. Feeling good about yourself for something other than your worth is not going to help anyone. Celebrating obesity, for instance. It's completely unhealthy, trying to feel good about something you don't feel good about isn't a solution.

I've stuck with this particular quote a lot. I think it fits quite well in this context. "Pride is not the opposite of shame. It is the source of it. The true cure to shame is humility." Humility, not being an overconfident asshole but not downplaying your strengths because of your insecurities. A humble man will know when to step down from things he cannot do and to step up when he can. The ideal man, a true man.

Aww I really appreciate that. Your encouragement goes a long way. God bless.

Interesting I usually really like after schools and I didn't hate the message it was more the way it was presented the guy goes on about kant in the first 2 minutes with a bit to much hyperbole making some really glorified statements. Im used to afterskoolz being a bit more reasonable

@@AfterSkool So how would you attempt to convince people of a particular cult that forcing children in to marriage is breaking that one rule, when their agenda says otherwise?

@@HeLpLOstGOdAny1 kants work at best is unfinished some say their are no true ends only means

Mark's end here was getting people to buy his book to enrich himself. I read part of the Subtle Art and gave up half way through because there is nothing there of any substance. It's 100% marketing - he's the edgy self help guru who swears a lot and gives useless counter-intuitive advice and his audience is rebellious people who want justification for not trying.

lmao same

Yup

Best intellectual click bait 🤓 ever

Me too

So was Marcus Aurelius

@@sswan5271what?

So was i ​@@sswan5271

He is stating that, Aurelius, if he saw how his works, life, and mostly all written things about him and what he believed were available for him to see, Aurelius would probably disapprove. @@enzocarranza

Ayn Rand is who I have been reading lately and she HATED Kant. My god her and her other objectivists hated him.

I would suggest looking into Taoist philosophy. It combines stoic tenets with a more natural view of existence. Effectively it's stoicism without the self.

I’m starting to see men repurpose the idea of stoicism into an excuse for being generally rude and selfish. Nothing to do with your comment of stoicism other than the thought popped in my head. When I think of stoicism, I recall a magnet my mother gave me a long time ago. It showed a cowboy carrying a lamb with the caption “be strong in deed and gentle in manner”. It’s not about purely sucking it up and being a man, but knowing what a man should be first and his actions follow

I disagree. Kant had an extremist philosophy where things are black or white, right or wrong, with no room for nuance. I don’t think that’s the stoic message at all.

Afterwards try Nietzsche ;)

@@joesandbank3645 exactly. How someone could think that Kant was in any way stoic is simply depressing. As is Immanuel Kant.

And that's proof of something Kant got wrong. Wasting time led you here, to a better outcome. He doesn't account for random chance.

Thank you!

@@AfterSkool 7:20 - hey, thanks for admitting your w ife doesn't love you. And that intimacy with her is something you, yourself, see as bad. (self loathing - you gotta love it)

​@citycrusher9308 I'm not quite sure what ur trying to say, do u think doing something for someone just to sleep with them is a good thing?

@@kyo_. yes. There is nothing is wrong with men wanting intimacy. That is what sx is to men. It's like saying - ''its a bad thing for men to look after themselves or consider their wants and needs''

@citycrusher9308 It's good when sex is the means for both your happiness and hers. It's bad when sex is the end. The difference is whether or not ur willing to use her as a means to get laid the difference is that doing it ONLY for yourself regardless of what she wants vs doing it for both of you, and as kant said its hard to tell which one is it for other ppl but its often shown that ppl are willing to resort to things like cheating, manipulative tactics like silent treatment etc to get sex, disregarding the happiness of the other (this applies to both parties of the relationship) so sex being the end goal also means that the means maaaay include other selfish things, bcuz after all your end would not be including your wife's happiness in this case otherwise she would be included in it, and not just "sex".

I can do it in less than 20 minutes. What I do is good. What I do not is bad. Easy peasy.

It also means, you have to go vegan :)

Man I'm not gonna lie you kinda just blew my mind

this text sure is the means to end the functionality of my brain.

"whatever means to do so" did you not just watch a video explaining how some like consciousness is off limits for 'means'..

I think that’s why the creator of the video said Kant is still hotly disputed to this day. There is a lot of gray area in how humans interact with each other, and how that correlates with outcomes and consequences. I agree with Kants points in principle but nuance must be applied to situations. Especially in a world as complex as the 21st century

a simpler was of stating it is. You are in Poland(my country) You shielding Jews... Nazis ask "do you know where the Jews are"?

I think you can avoid or delay unpleasant interactions, but you cannot lie.

My ex-girlfriend, when she was a little girl, dropped the Thanksgiving turkey on the kitchen floor when her grandmother let her take it in to the dining room her first time. Distraught in tears, my ex was told by her grandma "Don't worry about it, sweetheart, go tell the guests it will be a couple more minutes and grandma will get the spare turkey out of the oven...our secret.". She then, of course, proceeded to wash off the turkey and bring it out as the 'spare' turkey, never letting on the truth. It took my ex growing up to realise what really had to have happened that afternoon, and how kind and sweet her granny had been. I am a big fan of the mercifully and judiciously applied white lie.

@@WinkLinkletter Children are not really fully functional and capable moral actors. The primary responsibility of a parent is to protect kids as much as needed *while at the same time* educating them to eventually become morally responsible, intellectually and emotionally capable adults accountable for their decisions and their actions.

Can you give an example of something that we know to be true that can't be "rationalized"?

Sorry, but that is an oversimplification. There are nature and nurture in humans. Nature displays e.g. in the social drive (herd mammals, 300.000 year old drive) or fight, flight and freeze (the limbic system we share with many species) in psychology also debated and referred to as the four Fs: Fight, Flight, Feed and sexual endeavours... Nurture is what you learn (with your neocortex) when experiencing the world from a 1st person perspective. Feeding spots, danger, procreation opportunities etc. and foremost and most important to me: Music systems such as twelve-tone or Raga. Kant did not distinguish really about the causes, but just abstracted the effects (what it should be like to be human). Therefore it is impeccable in that context, but it doesn't link need and means at all. E.g. who wouldn't lie when in lethal danger to circumvent it? It is a luxury that many many humans living today do not have. But it is absolutely prime and valid to strife for!

I Kant understand what yall are talking about

Exactly, its not wrong… just idealistic

​@@ak-zxr0358It's only idealistic because this is not something we are being taught in schools. Our philosophy and self knowledge only scratches the surface in schools. But it is not something that we cannot change.

"Starting with yourself" is not very popular among those people who want to save the climate, the Global South, the proletariat, or whatever is the thing du jour. More often than not these are the very same people who cannot be bothered to keep their room tidy or at least in a decent condition.

Complaining is lazy and usually cowardly.

Kant seemed bothered to me. What's all the fight for?

​​@@rentenfuchs3025 yeah ok buddy go ask a palestinian to keep their room tidy before they start demanding better conditions,

How did you rationalize that? Starting with yourself means fix or improve the only thing you can actually control. There is nothing new about the philosophy. It shows up in Chinese wisdom, for example. "If you want to change your country, change your state. If you want to change your state, change your city. If you want to change your city, change your community. If you want to change your community, change your house (family). If you want to change your house (family), change yourself." Both the Chinese proverb and Kant imply a radiating effect outward. This is because it proceeds from "truth" or visual principal. The reason most people who "want to change the world" are looked at as immature and ignorant is because their desire comes from a desire to force others to acceed to their desires while exempting themselves from the same. So, no, that is not what Kant means at all. In fact, he rather explicitly says so as well.

It is a wonder why there is any study of business ethics. Businesses start small and have morals, typically. Then they grow large and just become monsters. Profit takes precedence over all other concerns especially ethics. So I is not wonder what makes that happen and whether or not business ethics is even viable.

Ofc it is viable. Run even a tiny SME when other peoples lives depend on the success of your business. You’ll soon change your mind.

I assume on the final there was "Of course,all these ethics will seem quaint once you enter the real world of Market Capitalism. Enjoy!"

Personal taste and preferences exist. Ones good may be the others bad.

If you had a bad professor, how would that change your experience? You have no choice over which professor was chosen. Would you have the will to continue the study despite the professor? Where did this will originate from? If your parents taught you the strength of will, then did you really make the choice to study the subject or was it made beyond your control long ago and your whole life has been leading to that moment? Thanks.

5:33 is very much in line with what Pirsig writes on value. Something like: 'Facts do not exist until we assign value to them'.

They're the worst kind of people. Evil people who truly believe they are good.

😂 I was thinking the same thing, I just scrolled through the comments section and you are the only person that pointed this out! All the best 👍🏼

@@adavies3 I just came to the comments to spit on the idea of One World Governments and their insistence we will own nothing and be happy, we will eat ze bugs and live in the pod.

As bad as the news makes it sound, I don’t think we’re doing too bad.

Already exists called America lead hemegony.

First thing I heard that made me realize this guy was full of crap

Wanker

It sounds good & looks good on paper, however since Altruism is largely something people use for virtue-signalling, not self-improvement, it quickly breaks down into irrelevance.

Attack the imperfect with a replacement suggestion of - Oh, nothing.

Hello. Do you mean driving together to get the burrito? Borrowing money from a Friend to buy burritos(and flowers)? Buying flowers on wedding anniversary... both enjoy sex?

@@r.l.edgington6533 Hello. Kant considers the individual action. This is moral if it is done out of pure respect for the moral law (= categorical imperative). If the action is motivated by inclinations or expected consequences, it is not moral, but only legal. Only actions that contradict the moral law, i.e. the categorical imperative, are illegal and therefore forbidden. According to Kant, it would therefore neither be illegal to buy a burrito nor to have consensual sex. If you are interested in Kant: I'm currently making a short video series about his ethics on my channel 😉.

Please elaborate?

So when pain isn't harm, then how do we make right to the generational harms we inflicted on the minds of younger generations, now that we coddled them from most emotional discomfort through hedonistic overindulgence?

@@DomFortress To be brutally honest with you, if you need to be told the answer that question, I don't think you're ready to know. Not to mention it's a far deeper subject matter than could be properly addressed in a youtube comments section.

@@TheRebelliousMeatPuppet "brutally honest"? Or merely pretentious postering due to reasons other than comfort and convenience? Why don't you surprise me by yourself ignoring the fact that for the past decade, I've been developing myself away from my behaviors addictions and chronic depression? How is it possible to experience post traumatic growth within the contexts of immunometabolism, metabolic psychiatry, psychonuroendocrinology, and muscle centric functional medicines, by myself consistently practice Valsalva maneuver during powerlifting and kickboxing, Wim Hof method for none shivering thermoregulation during cold plunges, time restricted intermittent fasting protocols, elimination diet of all ultra processed food products, and optimizing my gut microbiome diversity using single ingredient whole foods as natural probiotics, prebiotics, and postbiotics, just to name a few? "All your excuses are lies" - Jocko Wilkins

@@DomFortress Brutally honest...you're just too young, inexperienced, unlearned and unbegun to be able to pick up on these things. Sorry for you. You're clearly a keyboard commando. Life isn't lived or explained in a comments section there genius. Grow up gamer boi.

How does this cover consumption? (It doesn't)

The author Mark Manson, who narrates this video, has that nice humor in all his books, it's great.

Unfortunately, you need the power of institutions to protect the rights of others. Some institutions (existing power structures, capitalists, religious figures) seek to manipulate the minds of their masses, using those masses as a means to maintain power and influence. The current fight over abortion access, for example, isn't fundamentally a religious battle, but the religious voters are being weaponized by people who want to control female sexual empowerment. In a country without socialized healthcare, it should be wrong to force a family to birth a truly non-productive child. That sounds harsh, but consider that society accepts none of the burden yet takes the choice of accepting or rejecting the burden away from the mother/parents and their doctors. When institutions are weaponized against humanity, humanity must change institutions to enable freedom of individual choice.