Great point! This is a trailer truly built for off-road. For what the majority of us do this would be overkill.

The one in the video I do not believe is their entry model. I am 99% sure it was the XT and probably $44k + as shown.

Hi Garrett. Thank you for pointing that out. I assume he’s referring to the model that I’m highlighting (AT). The AT would be an entry Overland trailer. Well, entry by Boreas’s description. But in all reality, even the AT model is more equipped for Overlanding than most Overland trailers on the market.

Thank you so much for the kind words, they mean more than you know. Always good seeing a Midwesterner on here!

@@PlayingwithSticksI agree we are looking for a possible trailer and your videos have helped us narrow down them

Glad to hear it was a good fit for you. Out of curiosity what trailers are in your top five?

@@PlayingwithSticks black bean, voyager trailer, boreas xt, topo 2 and mammoth overland trailer. I think the only one you haven’t done a video on is the mammoth. Keep doing what you’re doing it’s awesome. Oh and the expedition 3.0 from off grid trailers would be number 6.

@semorebutts3613 thanks for sharing this list. I appreciate it. We have the Mammoth video filmed, but it’ll be quite some time until it hits the channel.

I agree, these are trailers people just need to see for themselves in person. The fit and finish is incredible.

Thanks guys! We love having you represent us in Texas!

Thanks Brad! I really appreciate the tip. We landed in the big city today, so coffee is on Brad. We are officially calling this vacation. Slowly working our way out of Thailand and back home. Thanks Brad for all the support, we really appreciate it.

Glad you are back where you can find same good coffee! Have a safe trip back! @@PlayingwithSticks

@jgrant4520 thanks, Brad! It will be a long one. We’ve got about a month of vacation time before hopping the long flight back. I probably shouldn’t call it a vacation as I’ll be spending the majority of my time creating something for the channel. I’m pretty excited about the little project.

😂 it’s getting harder and harder to not take mine out. My tow vehicle is the only thing stopping me.

It is the only teardrop style camper made that can carry my Yamaha WR250R. I have looked at them all. Huge selling point because without that feature my bike takes up the entire flatbed of the pickup. You are now able to put on a camper shell for a ton of extra storage. 12 months and I will be in a place that I can purchase a camper. And yes, a dirt bike is essential to camping, haha.

I say this often, but you have to keep me up-to-date on that conversion. Especially the pricing.

@@PlayingwithSticks Funny you shouls say that 😏.. Im already pricing things out. Ime trying to decide on a upright Galanz 10cuf fridge/Frzr or an Iceco 95L Overland style.. I believe the Iceco style is more versatile!! Plus, whether a 14' or 16'. Like you say, I dont want to change my tow vehicle.. Ah choices, lol... But I'll keep you up to date and probably do a video in your honor. Mark

You have some fun adventures ahead of you! Thanks for sharing

We love to hear it!

It looks good in many ways but you'd have to remove everything off the countertop in order to get anything out of the cabinets

Good point.

I’m embarrassed for asking this Carl because I should know this. What camper do you own?

Hey, no problem! I’ve got two actually - I have a big boy -Grand Design Momentum 25G which I like quite a bit. Then I also had that SunRay - which was too small and I don’t like exposed storage. But that’s where I enjoyed the rear kitchen. Current and probably final small trailer for a while is my 2021 No Boundaries 10.6. Bought used. LOVE IT.

I knew that! How embarrassing. I’m glad I asked though, or I wouldn’t have remembered.

I get you there. It’s really difficult to find the right trailer. It seems like everything is almost perfect, but then there’s one limitation that jumps out. On my quest for the perfect trailer. I still haven’t found it.

I do too! I really like the L configuration. With the bean, we slide out the fridge and use that as sort of an L configuration additional counterspace. it’s really functional outside.

Kitchen is awesome

It’s been a long time since you and I chatted about this, so I don’t remember the answer. Do you currently own a trailer? If you do, I would love to film how you guys use your trailer and camp with Bodhi. This is an area I haven’t touched on within the channel. I think the community could benefit from some dog camping tips.

@@PlayingwithSticks Hi Drew, we had a pop-up camper for many years and then I got a 21’ Argosy which was basically a sheet metal version of an Airstream but I got an offer I couldn’t refuse for it and we have been without a camper now for several years. We are very interested in getting another camper again now that Karen and I are both retired and have really been debating whether we go with a small teardrop style or if we step up to something a little bigger (but still under 16’) especially now with Bodhi. Believe it or not we have been talking more lately about going back to tent camping so that we can tow the big fishing kayaks behind the truck. Been looking at a Springbar 10’x 14’ Tent. Might be the most practical for our current situation.

The model shown here is the $45k XT

Yes. It’s so hard to convey in a video the quality of this trailer. I’ve seen many photos and videos of this trailer over the years and it didn’t really stand out to me. Then I saw it in person and it completely changed my mind.

It truly is!

Wow! Thank you so much. 😊

I think you might’ve been the first person to actually watch this video!

Glad to hear you enjoyed it

Biplane references… i’m definitely out of my element here 😂

Glad you liked it Patrick. Good seeing you my friend.

Good eye with the stove. And you’re absolutely right. Boreas knows exactly who they are building this camper for. And like you said they’re doing it a price point that’s hard to beat. It looks high for those of us who don’t operate in this off-road camper world. But once you start comparing the components on this trailer to others and the quality of the fit and finish, you realize how good of a deal this is.

Agreed. At some point I have a feeling Hiker will make the switch to composite. What is the downfall with the galley swinging upward? I never considered that.

@@PlayingwithSticks well in my situation being 6'7" there is clearance issues with the door swinging up. We have the mrXL 5x10 hiker with a 270 awning that provides excellent coverage over the galley as well as plenty of head room for my sasquatch frame

Thanks for sharing that tip on the handbrake. I love that you were envisioning May. I thought the same thing. This is truly an off-road trailer. And with any off-road trailer unless it has airbags/hydraulics, you typically are going to have to sacrifice an ergonomic galley height.

Thanks for the feedback Jenn - we typically have a small table nearby when cooking, but having everything within arms' reach means the area typically stays pretty tidy. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

We’ve had a few requests for this trailer. I will keep my eyes open for one.

thank you!

Agreed, it’s crazy! We are living in wild times when it comes to small camper pricing

I love the creativity here!

Hey guys! this was honestly one of my favorite videos to shoot and edit. I have a new standard for top-tier trailers now. Boreas Campers really proved to me that you have to see a trailer in person. The fit and finish on this trailer speaks volumes! Thanks for the opportunity to share what you guys are doing with the community!

I actually did consider that. I’ve always told May I want to try all these trailers to make sure I am giving the right advice. I don’t want to tell people that this is the way to go, to find out five years later that something would’ve been better. Sometimes I wonder the same thing with campers. At some point I probably need to give them a try to see how they compare to small camper trailers. We’ve tried the travel trailers and the vans. I’m not a fan of them, but the truck campers make a lot of sense.

😆 I love it! I’m being 100% honest here. If you can do it I’ll make a video about it.

This is a zero wood, all composite, fully insulated, off road purpose built camper with the absolute best suspension, hitch and windows you can get. Sitting on an extremely over engineered frame. I don't think it was even fair of Drew to draw any comparison. Hiker trailers, which are great for some, certainly have their place in the market but this is apples and oranges here.

You nailed it with this comment! The AT is truly a base level off-road camper. Many campers out there describe themselves as off-road, but really, they aren’t. For folks like you and I this is a bit overkill. But for someone truly wanting to do primarily off-road camping, this is where I would point them. It really is the best bang for your buck out there.

I would’ve liked to seen that!

Glad you are enjoying the videos. Thanks for sharing your thoughts as well. That tongue weight isn’t necessarily associated with the sway, because that comes into play when your trailer rear is weighted heavy. But, you’re absolutely right, all that weight on the tongue is going to inch up to overloading your vehicle’s tongue capacity. Essentially you would be looking at a pick up truck to support this type of loaded trailer.

Thanks for the feedback! The AT/XT is engineered and balanced to take that load. Like Drew said, loading up will certainly impact the tongue weight, so you'll need to make sure your tow vehicle is capable. We keep the roof rack open if folks want to add a roof top tent or storage box, but we do offer up to 500w total in solar panels for folks that want to go that route. We're based in Colorado so AC isn't a necessity when most folks are heading to the mountains, but we did just announce the 12V Nomadic AC option that will run off grid. Thanks for the comment!

That’s a good point. If people want their cake and want to eat it too, there are off-road campers with larger counter space

Yes, there’s so much to love about a trailer like this, but at the same time, a lot of features and components that many of us don’t need

Sorry about that. I think for most of the playing with sticks audience though, this is probably their first introduction to the trailer. I think the owner does such a great job giving a tour of this trailer. But in all reality people need to see it in person. I honestly haven’t seen a trailer out there better built than this.

@@PlayingwithSticks I agree with that statement. I was excited to see content with someone actually using the thing! Living in the northeast, I haven't seen one in person yet but my research has led me to put this trailer on the top of my list. Seems like one of the best overbuilt off-road trailers that can take some bumps and perform as well as the tow rig on washboard roads with the Cruisemaster trailing arm suspension.

@Go4Lo you have done your research well. I honestly overlooked this trailer for years. It’s one of those trailers like I said earlier you just have to see it in person. The fit and finish is incredible.

I don’t have good Internet on me at the moment, so I’m not sure. But all those components I mentioned in the video for the AT, they all come with the trailer base. That’s kind of the beauty of this trailer, all the big components like the suspension, the articulating hitch, etc. come at the base price. When I get better Internet, I’m gonna have to check out that pricing sheet.

Same to you my friend!

That’s a really good question. I should know the answer to this, but I don’t. This year I wanted to spend more time getting to know the chassis of these trailers. Once I start getting some numbers from different manufacturers, I’ll have to share them with everyone.

@@PlayingwithSticks yeah, a lot of big name manufactuerrs don't make their own frames... they instead buy them from Lippert. Forest River (Rockwood and Flagstaff) Jayco Thor Keystone Grand Design All buy their frames from Lippert... leading to a pretty standardized frame... unfortunately, its the same materials and size no matter the size of the trailer, meaning they can suffer failures due to weight.

That doesn’t sound like it would be too hard. I think for typical national forest, BLM style trailers. This would be a great design. but for a company like this, that is truly off-road, I know they work very hard to minimize any moving parts. But don’t let that take away from this comment, I do think that would be a very plausible design for many of the trailers on this channel

I’ve never had the chance to see one in person. I’ll try to see if I can track one down.

In terms of affordability, I would look at a runaway venturist. You’re getting both composite sidewalls and off-road components. Obviously not as high-end components as this trailer, but enough to get the job done.

@@PlayingwithSticks Thank you so much for replying. I'm just now getting into this and felt like I don't know to much about it and your videos are really great I find them to be helpful, truthful and straight forward, and informational. So thank you!

@skater16salazar I appreciate feedback. It’s really nice to know they’re helpful.

So far, Nucamp Tag XL is still my goto. I plan on buying this this year. I was looking to see if any other camper would be better suited. Nucamp is hard to beat for what I will be using it for. Not to mention their price. I overland, but not at these extremes that I would need a Boreas.

@fringelunatic yes, this trailer is truly built for off-roading. Overkill, for many peoples needs.

Good eye. I didn’t even notice that. One of my favorite accessories is the tire tailgator table. I probably spelled that completely wrong. When I first got it, I thought it was gimmicky, but I’ve used it on every trip now for the last three years.

@@PlayingwithSticks one other advantage I’ve noticed in the short time with my TC Teardrop camper (with the spare tire on the passenger side), is that its easier to see past the side of the trailer to whats behind it while your towing it down the road. Perhaps that gets negated a bit if you stick the tankless water setup on that side.

That’s another really good point. Thank you for sharing this. What model of the TC do you own? Gotta love those folks at TC. I have heard so much about them over the years, and I finally got to meet them in person. I see why everyone loves them.

@@PlayingwithSticks I’ve got a 5x10 Off-Road Expedition (ORE) model. Can’t wait to get it out and have some epic adventures this year. Keep up with the great videos - I’ve learned so much from just watching them 👊

I’m like you, I’m just itching to get out there!

The boys say hi! May says hi as well. Correction, she says that she actually says hello. 😂

@@PlayingwithSticks 😀 She doesn't want to be misquoted!

@JackFalltrades she’s a hoot!

Yes! This is a bit more than just a thermal break isn’t it?

1.8". Thank you!

I would say you’re about the fourth person who has shared a similar comment. And you’re right, that’s one of the sacrifices that come with off-road galley kitchens. One thing they did to alleviate this is to have the stove on a lower slide out. But, that doesn’t alleviate the counter situation. Some manufactures do it with airbags, or even hydraulics. If it was my camper, I would definitely use some sort of portable campstool. But, it would really take away from the overall experience in my opinion. That’s why I like an overland camper That’s about 15 inches high. High enough to get you anywhere you want to go. But low enough to have a nice galley cooking experience.

Thanks for sharing.

Not to my knowledge? But there seems to be a ton of new little Overland expos that aren’t associated with the larger OverlandExpo. It’s kind of hard keeping up with it all.

@@PlayingwithSticks I noticed that trend. Adventure van expo, American overland expo, Moore expo, California overland and power sports expo…etc etc. there’s big money in hosting these events that’s for sure lol.

I find myself often saying darn when it comes to weight of trailers for my tow vehicle.

Sorry Raymond, I don’t think I was specific enough in the video. The 44K version and the 27K version are the same base trailer. And they both come with the articulating hitch, the independent suspension, the great chassis, the dual hitch receivers, etc. basically the 27,000 is everything you need to get out camping but at a price much lower than the competition. The 44K is there base model with all the tricked out accessories plus a full kitchen. So it has things like propex heaters, fridges, etc. The $44,000 trailer doesn’t really interest me, but the $27,000 trailer really interests me. But unfortunately, when I’m out filming these videos, nobody wants to bring out their base trailer, they want to dress it up so people can see the potential. I always want to dress it down so people can realize they don’t need all the accessories. that’s the beauty of these trailers. You can go big, or you can go basic and they both get you to the same place.

As for the tire mount, I kind of have different opinions on it. If there is a decent gap between the wheel well and the tire mount, I don’t find it to be an issue on that side. I generally use the fenders as a guide when reversing and I look through that gap to see traffic. But, when the spare is too close to the fender, and I cannot see a gap there, I find it very difficult. As for legalities. That makes sense, but my guess is most law enforcement officers wouldn’t be looking for something like this. My brother wouldn’t 😂 and he’s highway patrol. Don’t tell him I said that!

Silly, but I can totally see somebody doing this with their own DIY trailer. Especially for someone who has already done it underneath their home bathroom floors.

@@PlayingwithSticksand considering how efficient those water heaters are. Running 2 pumps, allowing the pressurization and depressurization of the system to prevent freezing, and basic lightly heated and insulated water tank... just needs to be kept from freezing... you'd get an interesting system...

Thanks for sharing

I had a feeling there would be a number of people like you that would find this kitchen area lacking. While it would be sufficient for me, I’ve camped with some folks who put my cooking to shame. And they would definitely appreciate a bit more space.

You can blame me for that one. I didn’t include that price because I wanted people to really narrow in on the AT model. Just like the bean stock trailer from Bean, I think the AT model here is your best bank for your buck. So I didn’t want people to get too, caught up in the high price of the XT and overlook the value of the AT. Sorry about that. Sometimes I make these videos with a specific audience in mind. And then unintentionally withhold information that other people would want to see.

I love that! I actually had that in the original video and I’m just realizing now after reading your comment that I accidentally deleted it during my edit. Thank you for sharing this.

I like your style!

You guys are getting 110 degrees I saw. That is unbearable! I’m guessing you’re shaving your head or you’re heading to the coast for relief…or both.

@kebeaux6546 it’s insanely hot! And you are right, we are heading to the coast!

@@PlayingwithSticks So glad to hear it! Hope all of you enjoy the not-so-hot weather.

@@PlayingwithSticks So Drew. Are you and family enjoying coast life?

@kebeaux6546 thank you for asking. We finally are getting in our rhythm here. The boys have been swimming and spending time in the sun every day. They have caught more hermit crabs, sand crabs, and fish then they can count.

Thanks for sharing. Like you said, I think a lot of people in this community are not the target end user. Everything you said, is very similar to how I feel.

Yes, a lot of things have changed in the small camper industry. Two of them being prices and weight!

Unfortunately I've never seen one that hasn't been manufactured specficially by a teardrop company for their own trailers.

You may want to check out a runaway venturist

Not sure what that means?

The model I’m talking about at basis $27,000, but fewer to throw all the bells and whistles on it. It’s probably near 45,000.

As you can tell from this video, I absolutely love what Boreas is doing! When it comes to top trailers on the market, this is now on my shortlist. To be honest, it’s truly my number one square drop at the moment.

@@PlayingwithSticks Awesome! We love our EOS-12 and would buy it all over again! Cheers!

@mariomifsud4650 you just can’t appreciate these trailers until you see them in person. There’s copycats all over the place, but when you see them in person, the differences are incredibly obvious.

That’s why we throw the specs up on the screen 57″W x 79″L x 45″H

So true! In my opinion if you’re buying a trailer $15,000 or more, you better be dedicated to this lifestyle. If not, there are a number of budget camper companies out there that would fit the bill better.

​Thanks, Drew. I enjoy your content and watch most of your videos.

You get more but do you need it? Everyone wants to show off their top tier model. I want to show off the models that make sense. Unfortunately nobody has a model like that available for me. I do like to remind people that this is camping.

I also forgot to mention, don’t forget that at $27,000 a hiker still doesn’t come with a galley.

Good snag on the $14.5 thousand trailer by the way. Those are the kind of prices I love.

Yes, it is. Most teardrop, trailers and square drop trailers are truly just beds on wheels.

I like that, a light duty version.

Good ear. It was a voiceover I did inside during the burning season here. It was at the very beginning of the burning season, so the smoke was making my voice sound like I had a cold.

Yep, you basically described small camper trailers.

I love that somebody stepped up to play. But, read my text during that statement. I was very specific that I wasn’t talking accessories. I am talking components. Meaning chassis, composite materials, articulating hitch, suspension. Essentially the trailer itself. I guess one could add a specific suspension and an articulating hitch to any brand of trailer, but what I’m getting at here is I don’t want us to be comparing showers and electrical systems and heaters and things of that nature. But, with all that said, I’m looking forward to checking out Kingdom campers. Do I owe you a drink, I’m guessing not, but I’ll check them out. I’ve been wrong a time or two before.

Okay, let's dive into this. Cruisemaster suspension (check), Cruisemaster articulating hitch (check), Insulated/Laminated Walls (not sure what that means, I will have to dive into that more), Ark Hitch Jack (check), 33's (check), okay I'm realizing we are not comparing the right trailer here. The more the list goes on and on the more I realize this is built to compete with the Boreas XT. This trailer has hot water, a heater, Redarc system, Light bars, solar, the list goes on and on. This is a full build out. And that is why it costs $32,500. While I don't owe you a drink, my challenge was to find a trailer at $27K or less with all the components of a Boreas AT, I think you have a good argument for the Adventure Pro Mini 2.0 at $33K vs. the Boreas XT at $45K. I think it will really come down to what does Insulated/Laminated Walls mean? Is there wood in this trailer? I can tell they are using a fiberglass panel for the exterior, but what is in those walls? Okay, I found it. They are using FRP and Azdel. Definitely coming out of Indiana with those materials. I would love to hear from Boreas how they feel their XT holds up against this model. Matt at Boreas builds an incredible camper and I have a feeling he has some inciteful thoughts on this build you are sharing.

@@PlayingwithSticks I really appreciate you digging into this with such detail! I should have opened with this trailer has similar components and construction. As far as the price goes, they will do things like delete the A/C which will bring the cost down closer to the Boreas AT. How about a bottle of water at the Overland Expo West instead of the gin and tonic?🙂

@threadready8078 Water at the Expo, I like the sound of that! I’d even buy you a real drink. When going through the specs, I was surprised how similar the components were. Good find. I’m still on the fence if I’ll be making it out to Overland Expo West this year or not. I’m hoping for some last-minute exhibitor announcements to justify the trip down there.

I see your point, but no intention of being disingenuous here. If you watch the channel, you know one of my biggest concerns is people being convinced they need to buy stuff they don’t actually need. Unfortunately, it is very rare, if ever, that a manufacture will provide a true base trailer for me to highlight. I don’t believe most of us need an XT. Most of us need an AT. It has everything you need to go camping. I like to remind people that this is CAMPING. All the accessories look fun, but I honestly don’t believe they are needed. And I don’t believe most people need to walk away with a $47,000 trailer. Even a $27,000 trailer I think is for a very limited portion of the population. And it’s not disingenuous at all, to compare this to a hiker. I want people to understand what it means to actually build out a trailer. Hiker like I mentioned in the video is a great bargain at base. But once you start adding components, I think it has highly diminishing returns. And as I highlighted in text a couple times in the video I’m not talking about adding accessories. I’m talking about actual Overlanding components and build materials. If you go and build out a $27,000 hiker trailer which people have, it doesn’t even compare to a $27k AT. Nothing is in the same ballpark. One is built with wood, and a lighter frame, and lighter duty components. The other is built with composite, and overbuilt frame, and the best components from within the industry. This video was purposeful. And it was purposeful that I didn’t highlight the pricing of the XT. There are XT videos and web posts all over the Internet. We aren’t here to sell trailers. We are here to help people understand trailers. Maybe you’re new to the channel, and I’m sorry for assuming you understand where we’re coming from. I think once you watch more of our videos, you’ll start to realize the intention behind our narratives. But with all that said, I’m glad you pointed this out. This gives me a good opportunity in the comments to explain the video more.

Sorry for the confusion. Throughout the video I’m not referring to the XT. I am referring to the AT. It is the same trailer without the unnecessary add-ons. Same frame, dual hitches, independent suspension, articulating hitch, tongue box, composite sidewalls etc. But all for $27k. Build out a Hiker and at $27k you will get inferior components and less trailer. I’m not here to sell trailers. I’m here to help people realize most of them don’t need a $44k trailer. Heck they don’t need a $27k trailer. But if they want the best, $27k AT can’t be beat for what this offfoad trailer provides

Yes, off-road, small camper trailers in 2024 not cheap. It’s quite painful.

😂 it’s all relative isn’t it? Affordable, if you compare it to any other true off-road trailer. For $27,000 at base for the AT model. I truly don’t believe there’s any other trailer that will beat it for that price.

Yes, the square drop off road trailers are quite utilitarian in nature. I must admit, though, the look of them has grown on me over the years.

@@PlayingwithSticks Yeah, the square box I can rationalize as Brutalism, but the kitchen and interior could use some charm for when you come home after a long day.

@Penny-mk7fv yes, I find some soft touch features and a few extra textures in the inside, can really add to the overall feel of the cabin

@@PlayingwithSticks Ironically, if you look at the old school big trailer companies out of Indiana, their trailers are actually pretty modern on the inside. I was surprised when I looked at the Wolf Pup trailer since I saw some people using them. You can't take them off road really, and you need a truck, they're a different thing, but they cost about the same and they can make them look like a pleasant airbnb inside. haha

It’s all relative isn’t it. For his typical audience that buys these trailers, this would be lightweight. But for you and me, this is really tipping the scales. I realize Im using the tipping the scales analogy out of context. In my mind, the weight is literally tipping the scale over 😂

Thanks for sharing

Not suitable for rough terrain?

@@PlayingwithSticksTake a good close look at the hinge point with that weak snap coupling that locks it, then imagine going over boulders dragging all the weight and the stress of not only the total dead weight of the trailer, but the weight of the tongue with all the gear you can stuff in it, PLUS the weight of a motorcycle right on the tongue. There are other hinges that would allow 360 deg action far stronger than the one on the hitch. I'd sooner have a pintle hookup as noisy as it would be than that thing. Plus if you load up the tongue like the guy said you could there would be NO midsize vehicle that could safely handle it. Especially not something like the 4dr jeeps.

Wait, this doesn’t sound like you? You think the AT is junk? Or are you just saying it’s overpriced? I have a feeling you wouldn’t think this was junk.

Yes, these overbuilt Overland trailers are not cheap. But find me another one even close to this price range offering this quality of build. Would our family buy one, no. But, for someone in the market for an off-road trailer I think this is a great option.

Yes, this is what we would consider an overbuilt trailer. They come with a pretty hefty price tag.

Yes they do. It’s called the Rouser.

@PlayingwithSticks I know this already, thank you, they are made just outside of Ocala Florida, about an hour and a half north of us

@woofman4796 I actually was sharing that for people, other than you, who would be reading this comment. I thought I would fill in the blanks in case they were interested in what you were talking about.

@@PlayingwithSticks ok, a ka-zillion apologies 👍

No wood on this build.