The comment section is gonna be so funny

Don't let this video distract you from the fact that logic is biracial.

What's interesting is that when Dr Dre heard Eminem, he absolutely loved it. He only heard a demo and never saw a pic of him and assumed Em was black but that wasn't the case. Just Shows

Bro white or black IT DONT MATTER if u wonna rap, no matter what race you are, DO NOT give up, but no hate man u a legend keep grinding

Ik I’m late but reading these comments it’s funny how much people misinterpreted or downright ignored pretty much everything alfo said in this video.

For me I don’t care what race you are if you make good rap you make good rap

Great. Now Logic is going to spend 10 more years telling everyone he's biracial.

Interesting video. We reacted to this on Revolutionary Blackout Network and it was a great discussion. Thank you for this video essay.

Great video you definitely broke it down well

Jack Harlow and Mac Miller made it to the game because they weren't trying to fit in or be an eminem clone

Vanilla ice started the whole “corny white rapper” thing.

In my opinion, if you can talk about Action Bronson and his niche, you can put Aesop Rock and Slug in that category. Aesop and Slug have been around longer, Slug built his record label, and Aesop is one of the most intricate wordsmiths. They both came out of the same underground movement as El-P. El-P didn't get a lot of recognition in the mainstream until he and Killer Mike formed Run the Jewels, which isn't even mentioned.

It's interesting that white fans of white rappers get so defensive. I don't fuck with people who shame others for liking white rappers... But, at the same time, just admit it. A huge reason why white people like Eminem is because he is a white guy in a predominantly black industry. Same for basketball; people liking Larry Bird. It's cool.

this youtuber forgot the legendary artist behind "it's everyday bro"

“They weren’t trying to be accepted by the hip hop community, they were perfectly happy picking and choosing” yup there it is

For eminem i feel like he wasn't really accepted by the existing community but was able to get widespread success commercially due to the fact that he was more marketable to white people who is the vast majority of the US. The thing is with Eminem though is that he is actually talented which lead to the existing community start to slowly accept him over time. It is hard for white rappers especially in the early 2000s to get credit for how good they are from the existing hiphop community but was a lot easier to get credit from casually listeners and is why em has always done really well commercially

WRONG! The most disastrous Grammy win was 2 years later when Taylor Swift's "1989" beat "To Pimp A Butterfly" for album of the year.

Em was booed when he was starting over and over. He worked it all up, he swallowed all them embarrassment and anxiety. He was criticized because he was different. He didn’t fit into these

Imagine telling somebody that they can't do specific things because of their skin color.

I think being able to relate to rappers is a huge factor, too. I listen to some german rappers and most if not all are a minority in germany I can relate to as someone who is an immigrant themselves. I can't listen to Cardi B when all she rap about is being rich. Macklemore is just not the culture I am in and Eminem is closer to what I went through as the only polish kid in school. I love Kendrick because he talks about shit I care about, and on and on. I love Nicki because she doesn't flaunt her wealth too much but disses rappers, I feel connected as a woman in rap to her. It's quite hard to explain, but I guess you could boil it down to: People with privilege will listen to people who rap about privilege.

As a black man Mac Miller will always have my respect dead or alive he knew his place and he really rapped not just rapping fast and changing voices

1) You shouldn’t like a rapper simply bc he’s white 2) You shouldn’t dislike a rapper simply bc he’s white Both are simple minded thinking and, yea, focused on race a bit too much. So goes for Black Country singers, black rockers, etc.

Critiquing white rappers for not taking on "the culture" is like saying only unfathomably rich Austrians can perform classical music. It's just silly

Race shouldn’t matter, what matters is if they rap well. It’s skill not ethnicity.

the problem i think with white rappers is that they try to emulate eminem. ex, rapping fast, over excessive use of big words and grunt rapping.

Imagine if someone made a “problem with black rappers” this video would have been taken down long time ago

I think using Eminem as an example of white privilege and the bias of white America is a terrible idea, even if you think he's overrated, everyone can agree that he is at least one of the best of all time and deserves the accolades

If the only reason I blowed is 'cause I'm white though, Why don't every other white rapper sell what I sold? - Eminem

Bro you forgot to mention John Cena, one of the greatest white guys that raps of all time

This is beyond ignorant. He said, in his exact words "Its purely because he's white and he is rapping, but is that so wrong of me to do?" Rapping may have been popularized by Black People, but there should be no racial barrier to any music genre.

Maaaaan I had the same reaction when I heard what’s poppin 😂😂 Edit: Also I won’t lie, even as a black man, I never really cared about the privilege of another persons skin. You make good music and I’ll bump it. A lot of the white boy rapper shit is cringe but a lot of the white boy rapper shit is fire as well. Take it one verse at a time

Some of this stuff makes sense but as for Eminem. You can't claim he used "being white" as a booster for fame. Eminem respected the rap game and worked his way from the bottom. The reason Dre signed him rather than some other record label is, quote by Dre "everyone was racist against Eminem for being white and trying to join the rap community". They basically thought since he was white he didn't belong in the game. But Dre signed him and the rest is history.

Not that I completely agree with it but Eminem is considered one of the greatest rappers ever, so saying that he only has fame because he is white is absolutely bullshit I think.

maybe instead of assuming eminem is being artificially given success you should realize he made some of the best music in all of rap

Great video. Can you do one like this on lil Mabu? I want to hear your thoughts

I'm white and i approve this message. Let the nerds get upset, their middle class lives are so hard already so they can handle some struggle.

This debate only makes sense within America. When you talk about rap all over the world race is not even a relevant thing anymore

Post Malone isn't even a rapper he's just an r&b singer

If we didn't hesitate on Jack Harlow, we would've never appreciated the good stuff. If we didn't feel a moment of weirdness, we would've only liked Jack Harlow for being white. Which is why thinking a moment is good, because you can actually appreciate that he isn't a "WHITE0 rapper

What about korean rappers? Like the idols from kpop groups, what you guys think of them?

We judge music by sound, not ethnicity

Eminem deserves everything he got imo. He went through it to get started and it took him 3 albums to really get going (slim shady lp) And as a black guy Eminem is my fav rapper of all time abd has some of my favourite albums if all time. But I ofc agree with the white America point, but I wouldn't credit all his success to him being white/having a white fan base. He has a very culturally diverse fan base and people like Kanye also now at least have a very very large white fan base aswell. And imo Eminem wasn't making "white hip hop" he was making hip hop for hip hop lovers, studying the great and inspiring future greats

I'm a white artist, I've always been drawn to rap -- not exclusively, I mostly make other genres, but I've always been drawn to rap because I view it as expressive, vulnerable, and a really effective method of musical storytelling. I've been trying to write a rap for years and I finally think I've done it, and it's one of my most vulnerable pieces I've made. I just hope people don't shut down when they see me grab the microphone.

This is the most honest video about this topic coming from white guy. Most of the time, they say "race does not matter when it comes to rap" or "they say eminem suffer racism too in rap community",

It’s funny that my friend who just happens to be black, told his group of friends (also black), that his favorite rapper was Eminem. All of his buddies started laughing and calling him “white wannabe.” It kinda pisses me off that his friends didn’t like that he liked Eminem.

This video: some white rappers are corny and some aren't

Why are we making the assumption any black rappers care about the culture or where rap started? half of the big rappers now talk shit about tupac and biggie or have never heard of them, massive names say this stuff damn near weekly lmao. Young people don't care about the past, it's nice when they do, guys like Eminem are historians for it, but it shouldn't matter how much they care about history if their songs are good

Awesome video. Honestly an awesome viewpoint of the subject, that while it's easy to notice the artistry of any race or genre its difficult to appreciate or notice the privilege of those groups as well. I will say a big part of this is also what people call mainstream or not. I think many of the names you mentioned enjoyed the current mainstream sound of their time and therefore played into it, meanwhile rappers like eminem make their sales off of the nostalgia points gained by "Em's classic sound". All of it just kinda culminates into people who rap for the fame and not for the game. All in all, great message, and yes, I think the rap scene is and will continue to level out especially after the 2016-19 era of rap. Influential rappers that brought rap to the mainstay genre it is today, rapping off the shoulders of giants from the 90's and 2000's. As a final note I'd like to throw one more rapper in the mix. Mike Shinoda of both Linkin Park and Fort Minor isn't readily considered a rapper, and considering the eventual genre position of Linkin Park, it makes sense, but I felt he really brought an artistry to rap and lyricsm, and grinded as much as any other to prove his place, and eventually found a sound that brought rap to an even further and wider audience without disrespecting the artistry of others. JayZ, who ended up doing the Encore remix of Numb with the group, has commented on Mike and his work before, commending it. And while a little corny to some, Mike's group Fort Minor made Remember The Name and other songs and albums that brought up many underground rappers but still became quite popular by way of just being good songs. Just a notable mention.

God I feel bad for Macklemore. He didn’t ask for any of this

"Do you think Eminem's new album was ranked #1 on Metacritic because it deserved it or because of white America?" Neither, it's because Metacritic is trash.

So what are your thoughts about guys like Derrick Green, or Lajon Witherspoon? Black dudes in metal bands (Sepultura and Sevendust respectively).

I have this discussion with myself every time I come across a fellow albino who happens to be in the rap space. One guy I've found to be kinda cool and that I'm looking out for is Witt Lowry, but I'm gonna have to see what he does in the future

Instead of "white guys who rap", you should have called them "rappers who happen to be white". As you described El-P he puts being a rapper first and being white second.

This is a very Gen Z "I wasn't alive to understand the context and times, but I want to speak on this" perspective. Claiming that Eminem is only as wildly accepted and popular because he is white is bullshit. Eminem was accepted in spite of being white because of the work he put in, the connections he made and most importantly, the talent that brought him up, was brought up with him and that later, he supported. He is prolific because he postioned himself throughout 3 distinct generations of music.

"The problem with black metal guitarists" see how awful that sounds?

I’m white and I love eminems music I grew up on it. But I also grew up on way more black rap. 2pac was one of the best rappers and always tried to make the world a better place with his music

I totally didn’t give Mac any attention when he was coming up cause he really did play that role of a white rapper, until my friend put him on not too long before he died and I was thinking, “fuck did I really miss out on a legend?” Like he was just growing and now we’ll never get to see where he could’ve gone with that

I can’t believe Macklemore won a grammy especially in that year of music

I’m from New Zealand and the Frat Rap wave never reached us. I’d never heard of any of those dudes you mentioned.

first scene had me on the floor... thought it was that eminem clone guy from tik tok lol

I've never once decided I liked a song or an artist because of their race. Good music is good music and music that sucks, sucks. Anyone who only listens to music based on the artists race is limiting themselves.

Eminem went through just as much as any other rapper, he deserved every award he ever got.

They had an advantage because of the colour of their skin (being white) but at the same time, they are being bashed because of the colour of their skin!

LMAOOO hearing that Rocket Ship comparison & seeing where we are now with Jack Harlow is hilarious

As 2Pac said: "It ain't about black or white, cause we are all human".

I'm not saying Ems race didn't help, but he's not one of the goats because he's white.

LMFAO imagine it being the other way around, "it's normal to be critical of a black artist coming into a genre that has been dominated by white artists". Oh the outcry

It really does suck that weather you're black or white, you will most likely come across some form of race-based struggle based on the color of your skin. If you're black, you won't grow as quickly in your prime as a white rapper, but if you're white, it's harder to get an initial takeoff due to people generally looking down on unpopular white rappers. The Hip-hop scene would be so much better without a racial devide imo.

“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.” ― Oscar Wilde

Saying Eminem isn't respected in hip hop community is such a joke while you can see people on forums and youtube comments disrespecting him most top rappers really respect guy.From best rappers of this age like Kendrick and Cole who openly said that he was one of their idols to goats like Rakim who said that Eminem was great lyricist.That part really rubbed me wrong way and I'm not even big Eminem fan but guy went through the hell his whole life to get here and now people on internet are disrespecting him like he didn't do anything for culture.

Chris Webby is a student of the game, some of his earlier music was fratty but he has always shown respect for hip hop and OGs. He’s worked with Bun B, Prodigy, Joel Ortiz, Method Man, etc.

"the problem with black country artists"

Beastie boys? True hip hop by three jewish kids. They earn every ounce of respect they get. And they were early on the scene as well.

It’s weird, most of the time I listen to white rappers it sounds soo corny and almost off putting like it doesn’t feel authentic, but artists like suicide boys, Mac Miller, BROCKHAMPTON and some other white rappers I don’t mind because they aren’t trying to fit in. They’re doing something different instead of just rapping really fast. You have something else to focus on instead of they’re race. When I listen to them it’s never really my first thought what race they are but that they’re music is good. But listening to guys like Nf and Chris webby it’s so much more noticeable

No one likes a song because if someone’s ethnicity. On the other hand, women and homosexuals have been exiled from rap culture and it’s stupid

white guys rapping fast is something that never should've happened

“If the only reason I blow is cuz I’m white though, why don’t every other white rapper sell what I sold?” - Em

Eminem doesn't discriminate he will offend you whether you're black or white

As a white guy who grew up in the suburbs but listened to hip-hop and R&B and hard rock & metal I absolutely agree with you here. I'm almost 40 so rap was very lyrical when I was a kid. Wu tang, cypress Hill, Nas ect. I will never forget when me and my best friend saw the slim shady video on MTV in the middle of the night. We both laughed and called it crap and we were sure Em would be a one hit wonder. Man were we wrong. I've come to really like some of Ems stuff but maybe 20 percent? I do however like some "clones" like Hopson and NF. I don't like mumble rap but hey that's because I'm old.

Questioning if they’re white or not 🚫 Questioning if the music is good or not ✅

“The ones that hate me the most look just like me” - jack harlow

imagine logic seeing you categorize him as a white rapper, legendary

White People who can relate to White Rappers? Wow! What a concept. I would never have thought that was actually a thing (Sarcasm). Sounds like Mac Miller was going through an identity crisis. "I'm White and White People like me. But I really don't like it." He wanted affirmation from Black People cause he was rapping. This world is tragic. It makes my head spin when I see that people do not like the the skin color they're born with. Well, God did it. You have an issue, go to Him with it. He'll take care of it for you.

YO🤣 why is logic featured in the white rappers' struggling part at the end, it was brief but was funny.

if you want to be a rapper and your white , follow mac miller as an example he wasn’t problematic, he respected the art and appreciated the history of the genre

To me Hip-Hop is all about being dope and relatable, It don’t matter being black or white I wish this topic would just die. I don’t buy hip-hop records because a rapper is black or white

Hip Hop skill has nothing too do with race but the individual person and the skills they can acquire with hard work and dedication.

Id love to hear your thoughts on the nerdcore scene

Mac Miller turned out to be surprisingly incredible

as long as you like their music it doesnt matter what color their damn skin is.

I'd love to see the Dislike ratio in this video. Going by the comments, they're probably not in the creator's favor-- unless he has a loyal fanbase of like-minded people who go by a person's race when judging their skill. There are probably 5 to 10 white rappers I thought were black before seeing them. Most of them are famous. I just learned Yelawolf is white, probably because of Best Friend. Most of Eminem's features are black, so I just assumed he was. The list of white rappers that are at the level of Eminem and members of NWA is short. And I used those two for reasons I hope is obvious.

I’m a white guy but I heavily dislike most white rappers mainly because they try and follow the same stereotype that Eminem started, the reason why Mac Miller is so respected, loved and never gets the “he’s the best white rapper” treatment is because he separates himself from the stereotypes, you don’t have to be like “i like black people” or “I don’t like white people we take stuff” to be accepted, if anything people will push you away just like Macklemore, on another note though, not every white rapper has to “acknowledge privilege” because not every rapper is American and that’s just facts, and as for white people supporting white rappers that’s fax but that’s normal, and tbh most fans at any rappers shows are white whether the artist is white or black and they get criticised for that, but white people are allowed to be big fans of white rappers and saying it’s “weird” is a weird thing lol, sure they’re more drawn to it but don’t try and overanalyse something that’s just not even there

“Eminem is not respected by the rapping community” that comment shows you haven’t seen the plethora of rappers talking about how much they do

We need to keep having conversations like this! If we don’t then hip hop will become rock and roll

I guess NF is either underground or still stuck in the "Christian rap" category That aside, definitely a good video that I'm glad I watched all the way through. It really sucks that ulterior motives undercut so many things in our culture

Yeah, Eminem should have been included with EL-P and Mac. He fought his way into hip hop and earned his spot too. Dude has tremendous respect for the culture.

Iggy could've gotten a pass in the rap community if she could actually rap well.

I think you made a lot of good points about the white rappers who cater to white people, successful white rappers having more success, etc. All of your points pertaining to the sad truth that there is a disparity between white and black rappers are spot on. However, rap (and music in general) shouldn't be color-gated at all. Music is about expression and feeling, and anybody who has the ability to make music should be able to make the music they want, regardless of their skin color, regardless of their struggles, or lack thereof. I do 100% agree that music that isn't genuine and authentic is objectively bad, but music is fluid, and ever changing, and doesn't care about color or status or anything like that. Idk if its because I'm in the metal scene, where artists of every color are accepted without question, as long as their talent is up to snuff (for the most part, we got some rotten eggs just like every community). I don't think the roots of a specific genre matters all that much, as long as the music and the artist is genuine. That genre is being used as a medium, its not an entity of itself. You should be able to use that medium to tell the story you want to tell without repercussions, especially because of skin color. Some of the best vocalists in the extreme metal genre are black and hispanic. They all had different lives, some had it easier, some had it harder, but they still tell the story they want to tell on a level playing field. Their lyrics and music are valid regardless of their lifestyle, their status, etc. and its always been weird to me how this is only really an issue in rap.

I was in middle school in 2017 and suddenly rap god was everywhere, and at this time I didn't know shit about hip-hop and assumed it.was just normal, a couple years later I got completely immersed into hip hop and realised that it's "black music" but Eminem still tops the list for me.

All latinos just reading this comment section with popcorn at hand 🤣🤣