That’s our hypocrite! What a loveable guy.

Tywin was, above all, a hypocrite. He never cared about his family, only himself. He never cared who sat on the throne as long as he commands the king. He never cared about his son's whore, only how he perceived his image as a result, same with his children's affair. All he ever cared about was himself.

He learned from experience

​@@spanishflea634Except he didn't learn. His whole shtick is that he's a massive hypocrite lol.

​@@Ilivedbih A hypocrite still knows the lessons, even if they never learn or apply them internally. In this case. He knows the lesson he told Imp. He doesn't practice what he preaches because he uses the Cleganes like the dogs they have on their banner.

Exactly how much pot do you think he did?

@@mgs_4k198 huh? 😂

@@justinpederson2217 I believe he’s referencing “The Office” where Dwight is interrogating the workers in the office because he found a joint in the parking lot, and when he interrogates Jim, Jim flips it around and starts interrogating Dwight lol

@@jtg8513 ohhhh I get it now. Makes that even better. 😂😂

​@@jtg8513 I thought I was an office addict. That was such a vague reference with a very broad comment, and you still got it lol

Yeah, but he's amoral it seems he doesn't give a damn what his men do as long as they get the mission done neutral evil is neutral.

No, he didn't say or imply that.

He said categorically though, which means he is saying he had absolutely no role in Elia’s death

@@TKize777 It’s part of the 9 alignment system. Imagine a chart with Good, Neutral, and Evil, intersecting with Lawful, Neutral, and Chaotic. Neutral Evil is an evil thing that does not follow a particular code, does not actively seek to sow chaos for shits and giggles, rather is completely self interested, no motives aside from what benefits them

​@@TKize777except neutral evil is a thing. You have lawful, neutral, and chaotic evil just as you have good and lawful neutral, true neutral, and chaotic neutral. Learn your fucking alignment chart

He was cool af...but I still can't understand why tf he just became a loud cocky MF shouting at the crowd instead of landing the kill blow on the mountain 🤣🤣🤣 now your head is caved in and you still never got revenge for your sister

This describes half of the people in the show lol

Not to mention the way he died was absolutely idiotic. Nobody gets up from a beatin' like that. Nobody.

​@@DarkMatterX1 have you ever been to a beating? 💀

And now he rarely takes his helmet off ;)

Brilliant actors* :)

@@Sirisma not really. i was adding to it, hence the ":)"

​​@@Sirisma * fare :))

​@@sage3576 You didn't even "fix" or add anything to what OP said, your comment is literally irrelevant and unnecessary. You just wanted to be pedantic for the sake of it 🤓

@James Duncan literally no one cares bro lol

definitely not hidden anymore :)

He stole mine definitely. He owns me.

He is still a 🐐

Yeah he burst

like all actors/musicians/whatever, if they kept their politics to themselves, they'd be a lot more likeable. but like all Hollywood, Pedro is a Libtard.

No sugarcoating

Exactly 💯

He smacked the Queen of Thorns verbally. Dude's on a different level.

Exactly!

Coward

The actual reality: Tywin tries to question Oberyn but gets counter-questioned instead

Reality

dude it because most Dornish people was Half Rhoynar. Expecialy Member of house martell.

How many First Men have you been able to compare him too?

He’s a prince, of course his grammar is “better”.

@@josecalufele7786 He learn on Citadel get 6 Chain of Maester in short time & became 2nd jenius person on Citadel History after Lord Lyonel Strong first get 6 Maester chain in short time. Because normal person need 30 year for collect 6 Maester chain.

Because that's his first language. It is like comparing a person from U.S.A. to someone from Canada. Or someone from London to someone to Liverpool. They speak the same Language just with different accents.

Wouldn't that just be a result of his body now being a decaying corpse?

​@@isaiahgeorge906 yes, but the smell is mentioned multiple times in the books, If i recall..

@@isaiahgeorge906 your innards aren’t black or putrid immediately after death…he’s saying it was poison from someone

​@@alyssondasilva4484 Yeah, it was emphasized heavily with Tywin. If it was just decomposing then that would also apply to every dead person in the Sept before him. But the emphasis on the stench meant it was very unusual and unexpected.

​@@deathstalkerx4415 that and when pycelle was listing the poisons tyrion had confiscated from the grand maesters office, widows blood was the only poison we were given the symptoms of. Symptoms Tywin coincidently exhibits after Oberyns arrival to King's Landing.

but did he give the order or not ? 🤔

​@starwarsfan1919 The answer is inconsequential since they're all dead

​@@starwarsfan-ye9hw he absolutely did. The mountain wouldn't have done something like that to someone that important without being told.

@@johnv6806 but why did he order that ?

@@starwarsfan-ye9hw im gonna butcher everyone's name but because elia's children where with reagar targarien so they would all have a claim to the throne. He had to eliminate any future threats to his families power.

It'd be silly to act otherwise - men half as bright as Tywin would immediately suspect him if he acted as if a loyal _something_ or whatever.

Its very likely oberyn did kill him. Its believed that tywin had already been poisoned when his son shot him with the crossbow.

​@@johnv6806 source: my ass

​@@vengeancegauloise6049 Book

Poetic justice

Such a legendary character, even lying he could be badass.

it sounds intelligent but also seems like he is lying

I didn't find it badass, just infuriating lol

"when soldiers lack discipline, the fault lies on their commander" Tywin the hipocritical clown 😂

​@@ericmaya3657 you're comparing a sack of a city, to a generic battle lmao, he had the intention of a sacking, not discipline

Simply put.. Tywin ordered the mountain to kill Rhegar’s heirs. The kids. Tywin did not order the mountain to kill Princess Elia Martell. The issue is that Tywin didn’t care what the mountain did. This is part of the reason everyone in Westeros feared Tywin

He's a freaking legend. Master at his craft.

It was hard watching him and Nick in Against the Ice and not think of my lions :c

The drug dealer of the house!

He’s great as emhyr from the witcher

One of the first badass evil rules I ever saw him in was when he played the bad guy/demon in the movie The Golden Child! And even though I remember his name from the movie don't ask me to spell it on here.😅

Methinks you don't know what categorically means. His response doesn't mean "not exactly" or "not in the way you think". His response means "I had absolutely nothing to do with it in any way."

@@ijuhi Categorically - in a way that is unambiguously explicit and direct Huh no kidding, I thought it just meant he had nothing to do with how the murder went down

​@@ijuhi Language is more than the explicit meanings of words used. K

​@@ijuhi He ordered it bro.

​@@ijuhiAnd that could still be true if he used that word. If he said capture and bring her to me, she resists, and then The Mountain rapes, and murders her, Tywin had nothing to do with that. That would be totally on The Mountain.

Mr. Dance truly is an outstanding craftman

Yup favorite character of the whole show

Oberyn*

​@@Tomboyy9818oburntin

Olenna

And the equalizer.

And he mourned the death of a gRapist

@@browngone1782 You died?

@@browngone1782 Who?

@@mustlovebooknerd look up the people that the Hero Kyle Rittenhouse defended himself from

Some damn good writing in these comment sections 😅

Not sure which one you're talking about, since those apply to both Charles Dance AND Pedro Pascal 😂

@@inkeriananas ? The actor that was laying across the bed smiling with dimples, Saying why haven't you threw me in a dugeon

Karma doesn't exist

@@deusvult6920 you are talking in a fantasy world

Imagine if they waited on GRR Martin to write the last 4 episodes. We'd be freaking out about that. At least it's been through this incarnation. You just can't compare 1-4 & 5-8. Its sad but someone had to finish the damn thing in time to film it. I try to think of it as two stories, told from different perspectives, as the og writer did, with new twists from D.B. and Dan.

The cinematography in 5-8 got consistently better. The Battle of the Bastards had some of the most beautiful shots of war horses in full charge and the suffocating atmosphere of the death pile.

While I don’t necessarily like the karma concept applied here, the red viper was drunk on revenge and pride. He made sure the mountain would never die quickly by choosing poison, and celebrated taking him down too early. I guess that’s his punishment. I remember reading this and crying lol like why him out of all people, absolutely favourite character

We never saw Jaime at full flight. At the battle before he was captured by Robb he was single handedly mowing down dozens of soldiers according to the books and we got nothing in the show. It would've been a hell of a sight to witness a fighter truly above everyone else.

@@canchero724 good point. In the books Jaime even says that he could defeat The Mountain with agility, strategy, leaving him tired. But Jaime doesn't know Oberyn's skill, and the Red Viper is known to be virtually unstoppable. It would be an incredible battle between them two. But I think Oberyn would win because of the spear reach advantage.

​@@calebesagaz5226 also, he uses poisons. One tuny cut, and you're already dead...even if you win, you lose.

Mortal kombat

​​@@calebesagaz5226beryn isn't a fighter knights r used to. Spears rnt used in duels, they r meant to be lined up in war to make a wall. this itself will throw off a lot of people.

yes. His desire to have the Mountain or Tywin confess the planning of the murder of his sister and her children was Oberyn's downfall. He planned the whole fight around this. He was so superior to the Mountain that he could play with him - by that he was sure. And then he got a bit too reckless and died horribly for it. Still, I fully can understand his reasoning.

Oberyn was a man who was very passionate about everything he did and he got killed because of his passion to avenge his sister

so am I, the second one, that is

Tywin admitted in the book it was carelessness on his part that killed elia martell😂 apparently he told armory lorch and the mountain to kill the children they killed elia martell because he never told them not to he actually wanted to negotiate peace with dorne using elia

Was the most BADASS man in Westeros in Season 3

That title goes to the Hound

​@@Crusher888Arthur Dayne*

No he doesn't. Tywin wasn't ever expecting that to happen. He wanted Tyrion to confess. He never wanted a trial by combat and hated the fact that it was Oberyn bc he knew he'd have problems with Dorne if he died.

huge reach

oberyn would expicitly not be satisfied with just the mountain dead.

Huh? I'm pretty sure the arrow puncturing tywins vitals would've killed him regardless.

@@GreaterGrievobeast55 he might not have been in a vulnerable position

I literally stopped watching after his death. He was the only thing keeping me watching the show with the dragons if I'm being honest

Huh?

Bot post

Well she married the chupacabra in an arranged marriage, but that's westeros for you.

Yes and no. Tywin likely ordered the kids killed but Elia to be spared. Then the Mountain went full Mountain.

He didn’t though not on her but he did on her kids

​@@randycrawford1132 nah. Tywin is a man obsessed with brutality and fear, just look at how he treated the Raynes, and Tysha, and how he has his men do the exact same shit in the riverlands during the war of the 5 kings. He rules explicitly through fear and makes sure that threats to him and his power aren't just defeated, but that they die in the most brutal and savage ways he and his men can devise.

​@@krishan8735 Doesn't make much sense for him to order Elia's murder. Her connection to the Targaryen regime was through marriage, not blood, she wouldn't be able to contest Robert for the throne. Her children were dangers to Roberts crown and it made sense why Tywin disposed of them. But Elia's death just caused a needless blood feud between the Lannisters and Martells. The situation with the Reynes and Tarbecks was different. They were bannerman to the Lannisters and they had initially rebelled against their Leige Lord. Tywin had put them down and would of faced no repercussions for his decision. Additionally, all the reynes were in the Westerlands and he destroyed them all in their seat of power, Castamere. The Martells are a house (on paper) on par with House Lannister (being direct vassals of the King). He also had no plans to kill the other Martells and displace them of their position and I very much doubt he could. So killing Elia Martell would of only made the other Martells pissed whilst gaining nothing from it. What likely happened was that Tywin ordered the death of the kids and did not directly tell Gregor Clegane to not kill Elia. In Gregors insane lust for murder he killed her as well.

@@amanimckenzie32 you make a good point about Elia not being to the Targereyn's anymore, but I still think he'd ordered the murder of Elia. And the reason is, just look at the red wedding. He specifically made a point of going after Catelyn, and in the show, Robs wife. And again, I'd just site Tysha. His brutality and fear mongering is specifically to make a point. To intimate and to terrify people into obeying the lannisters. This goes all the way back to his childhood, with his father. Tytos was a man nobody respected. People laughed to his face, and blatantly took advantage of him, and humiliated him left right and centre. And the thing Tywin hated most, is when Tytos married a common woman. He saw this as such shame upon the name of Lannisters, and so to make up for this, when his father died, he had the woman stripped, beaten and walked naked out on the streets to show the world how beneath the Lannisters she was. This is how Tywin is, he rules specifically through brutality and fear because deep down, he's deeply insecure, and massively wants the world to see him and his family as undeniably above them. Hence why he is SO brutal, killing the Raynes even after they surrendered (and writes a song about this to inspire more fear, no less), having his men raid and rape in the riverlands during the war of the 5 kings, the red wedding, Tysha, etc. And hell, it's telling that he tries to ensure that Oberyn in the dark about Elia, but makes barely effort at all with regards to anyone else. Do you really think it'd be hard for him to stop the rumors from spreading in the first place?

​@@krishan8735 If I recall correctly he said to Tyrion he ordered the children's deaths but not hers. I think Joanna was also close friends with the Martells so Tywin had no reason to basically get them as enemies because of the Mountain.

Did you watch the Zoom version w/ multiple actors doing short scenes from their own homes during the pandemic lockdown? 😅

For now, watch the version done over Zoom by multiple actors in their own homes during the pandemic lockdown. 😅

No he order The Mountain and another guy to kill the kids but The Mountain decided to kill her and rape her

The claim from Book Tywin to Tyrion is that he ordered the children’s deaths to show commitment to Robert but not Elia’s. That Amery Lorch & the Mountain got too enthused basically This could be a lie but is worth mentioning

He denied it categorically tho

​@@neontime8507 in the most indirect way possible

@@runtergerutscht4401 categorically means direct

@@neontime8507 yes, the statement and the way he states it are contradictory

​@@runtergerutscht4401 Denying something categorically is very direct.

What does diversity mean

Thank you. Most likely he absolutely ordered the death of the kids but failed to specify not to kill Elia. Thus he never ordered her death but her death did come about as the result of his order.