I've never seen someone understand both sides like this before without bias, the man is smart as hell.

What Haidt says about confirmation bias and the need for personal relationships with people we have disagreements with rings especially true when you consider the case of Daryl Davis, a black man who spent time with KKK members and convinced some of them to abandon the KKK, even causing a grand wizard to abandon the organization and rethink his believes. He did this over long periods of time, attending Klan rallies, spending time with the people and their families, getting to know them and having conversations. This is the way to win hearts and minds.

Stop hating and start Haidting!

"In our universities it would be nice if we could have more open and honest debate, and be a little less sensitive about people claiming hurt feelings." Indeed!

I really enjoy Jonathan's openness and clear presentation of his ideas. Thanks for uploading.

What we need to do is teach the Socratic method, debate, rhetoric....teach about what constitutes fact versus what is opinion, what constitutes good and sufficient evidence for a belief, what are logic and reason and how do they relate to truth, what are the primary fallacies in reasoning and how does one recognize them, how is belief shaped by both the commission AND omission of what is said...etc. We need to teach HOW to think, not what to think

He makes a very good point about how reasoning is post hoc. Very true

I'm a traditional conservative, Jonathan Haidt has a full grasp on the subject, wow!

great conversation. insightful.

I have become a big fan. Lots of Wisdom here. I would note that the way he proposes to teach ethics to business students at NYU - starting as soon as possible when they arrive, and including ethics as a part of almost all classes and not as an insular topic - is very much the way ethics was taught at the Naval Academy in Annapolis when I attending in the late 70s. So has it taken a genius like Jonathon to reason our way back to the Wisdom of the Ages taught in the military?

(12:08) The role of government. This is the biggest problem. As long as governments have been in existence, nobody has yet got a clear idea of it's purpose. Let me take a stab at it. The purpose of government (any level; local, regional, county, state, country, nation, continent, global, galactic, etc) is to coalesce the individual values of its citizens into a clear and workable set of collective values that both the government and the governed can live with. Problems brew when a line is crossed that violates collective values and individual values. In other words, when either the government or the governed try to extend power/force beyond their own values into the domain of other's values, conflict appears. Both the government and the governed should remain in co-operation to maintain their harmony, with adjustments as necessary. As long as this is kept in mind, everything else should work itself out. This approach is conflict-prevention centered, with conflict-resolution as a back-up. If both fail, it's time to bail-out and go to Mars.

22:52 libertarian philosopher David Schmitz said “a free market society is a giant game in which you win by making other people better off”

Being too good at reasoning and having too much reality contact is at least as much a curse as a blessing, it's extremely isolating to see through the bullshit of every faction and be left with no faction of your own. To know the truth is to live a nightmare.

Amazing how current these topics still sound today. Haidt is impressive.

very interesting talk :)

Bad media. Yes we all have different views but a corporate agency that benefits from conflict has made things much worse!

Things have gotten WAY worse 9 years later.....

Jonathan Hadt thanks for your eork. Don't get discouraged, please.

Most politicians today are lawyers. Lawyers are good for one thing and that is arguing. Lawyers are not problem solvers. To get problem solvers into Congress, we have to change who runs for office in the first place.

I loved this conversation but the LIP SMACKING LMAO

Haidt has a very soothing voice haha he should be in marriage counseling

Please someone tell me I'm not the only one distracted by the serious ASMR that's going on here

great interviewer!

So interesting.

The heart of the matter at roughly 21:30, "if you are partisan," and so many with power tend to be.

God Bless America 🇺🇸.

Great insights. Now in 2022, things aren't better. We need to ground ourselves in objective truth or it is just power monkey will-to-power politics from now on.

I was born in 1952. In the world of my childhood only men went to US service academies. Almost all doctors and lawyers were men. In retrospect this was absurd. I served in the Navy for 22 years and saw the transition as women joined the fleet. Growing pains, yes, but it has worked out fine. And I’ve spent way too much time with doctors in the past few years, and the majority have been highly skilled women. It’s a new, more equitable and better world.

The sound of smacking is too loud and the audio sounds greasy and sticky.

Well this has been thrown out the window

What's wrong with gridlock when it's stopping bad laws from getting passed?

3:00 "Study morality for 25 yrs?" ... "Moral intuition?" 1. Trust others to look after their own interests in a legal fashion; 2. Stop giving a crap about their morals and worry about your. 3. Let people lead their lives and stop the naval gazing; 4. Apply the simple rule that: someone's right to swing his fist ends at your nose; 5. Allow communities to form and keep decision making as close to that center of gravity as possible; 6. Accept that no one gets out of this alive except through some divine providence; 7. Help little old ladies across the street, buy candy bars from every grade school kid who knocks on your door, none from the parents at work, try to find a local 12-year-old to mow your lawn; 8. Stop pushing every young adult to some liberal arts education, push them to a trade, let them figure out higher ed when they're about 22; 9. Accept that none of this will matter to you in 50 years, and that history will repeat itself every 80 to 100 years and a "fourth turning"; 10. Eat decent food, get a good night's sleep, read a good book, get the occasional piece of ass.

Respecteverone is very important

Hi everyone. Could anybody please help me on how can I translate into Spanish the terms "hivishness" and "awe" in the context Dr. Haidt spoke of them?

What does it means to be "Reasonable" To be " Reasonable" means that i am neither so much in my emotions or in denial of my emotions, that when someone brings me information that is counter to what i have here to fore believed to be true, that i am able to hear the Truth.

To my mind the first essential that must be changed is the power to determine how political districts are redrawn must be taken totally away from already elected officials because they will *_always_* favor redrawing such political districts so as to favor the incumbents. Let open sourced software do it,.. possibly in combination with crowdsourcing,... but never let any of the incumbents anywhere near this. Right now no one can be elected to the federal congress without first being elected by their respective political party's most extreme elements. This must stop! Political moderates can't get their respective party's nominations anymore,.. and the world, as we daily experience it now, is the necessary, inevitable result.

4:40 the trick to changing people’s minds is

This book predicted the future. He totally saw the way Universities were heading. Thus, why he said the far left didn't like his book.

Nah, there is no such thing as "Corporate Social Responsibility," except to the shareholders. If they WANT to be charitable, then of course that's fine and great. But it ain't a "responsibility."

Well ive listened to a lot more from him...found out from his ted talk ...that he relates these things to the yin yang of eastern religions ...in the seeking for truth , but leaves out entirely the Christian ethic aka ...”the Truth will set you free’”. so he has come some of the way towards understanding the right...but he has still a long way to travel...

From my (totally unscientific perspective of personal experience and opinion-based) point of view, one of the biggest obstacles to progress currently are the dogmatic ideologic beliefs within otherwise rational groups of thinkers. In that light, Haidt is nothing less than a hero for concentrating his efforts of precisely those issues. Great job, Haidt.

I will be reading.👍

Around the time Gingrich said that we had congressmen who were in office for years and no longer lived in the state! He over corrected by telling new members not to move to DC, but still, they should have a residence in their district.

Demonizing the other side helps none of us

22:18 “we’re bathed in arguments from people who are not integrativly complex”

Brilliant talk by Jonathan Haidt

Reason for persuasion

You first dude.!

1. I'm not sure what you mean about the congressional calendar being to blame for the lack of congressional intra-personal relationships. The 5 richest zip codes in this country are in D.C. (I'm sure lobbyist are involved in making sure they are comfortable). Where does the Senate live? U.S. senators have a home in their home state and also in or near Washington, D.C. Many senators live in the neighborhood of Capitol Hill, because it surrounds the Capitol building. Many others live in the neighborhood of Georgetown, with its beautiful historic homes. A few claim to sleep in their offices. 2. You say the Friedman theory of business being beholden only to it's shareholders is a good theory except we don't have an ideal system. I agree with you, but the broken system we do have perpetuates itself to gargantuan proportions and is consistent only in it's level of inefficiency, corruption, highlighted by a total disregard for the "the people." Government and corporations have become indistinguishable because of greed and crony-ism. Government regulations are no longer used to protect the public, but rather only to protect corporate profits and political elitism. Large corporate entities shut out smaller more innovative competition, who may be offering more value to the consumer, by ensuring red-tape regulation masquerading as corporate responsibility is enacted by the politician whose re-election campaign they fund. The little guy can't absorb the cost of compliance to such regulation, and is therefore shut out of the marketplace. Is the answer more or less government you ask; Well we've been growing government to epic proportions over the last 5 or 6 decades and things continue to get worse....so I believe the answer is obvious. 3. I hope you are right about the elephant/rider analogy because that means, in time people will understand that it's not about which political ideology is more moral, but that morality is subjective and a social order based more around libertarian and voluntaryist principles is best. 4. You are on point about the complete failure of liberals to even consider cause and effect when it comes to victims, and conservatives complete failure to recognize that people don't always get what they deserve, so if they are suffering it must be their own fault. This is truly at the heart of not only the political divide, but it is also destroying freedom, liberty and our culture. "If you do something bad, you should be punished, if you do something good you should be rewarded." Yes.....conservative do think this way, but I think liberals do as well, albeit they disagree on what defines good and bad; and there in lies the problem. Who decides what is right and wrong, moral or immoral? The left and right have become little more that 2 factions warring over defining morality and a desire to severely punish whoever fails to conform to that standard. Today people use the words moral/immoral in the exact same way they would use the words good/evil. When in reality, these are completely different things. Plenty of people would view smoking a joint as a completely harmless activity and plenty more believe someone smoking a joint deserves to have their door kicked in and to be locked up in a cage. Conversely, while one person views abortion as a right, not a moral issue, the opposing viewpoint views it as murder. Maybe we should stop trying to define morality and punishing people who don't conform to that definition. In other words, live and let live. If you want to live your life according to what you believe and value, then you have to be willing to let everyone else do the same thing. Let's work toward taking government out of the equation. Laws and regulation should NEVER be based on ideology, and should ALWAYS require a clear victim (which is NOT the STATE or the individual being charged). I think if we start stripping away government regulation we will see that our system has become immersed and mired in just this type of moral relativism. 5. And finally, I agree that educating children to the realities of history and how to logically process data would be a great way to mitigate if not totally eliminate the left/right divide, but I don't think this will happen to any significant degree because of who owns the education system. The continued growth of government power along with the continuing financial success of the corrupt corporate interests they support, have become wholly dependent on the divide and conquer paradigm. I would go as far as to say the public education system in America today has largely been designed to perpetuate the hate filled political divide, not mitigate it. How does it end? Welcome to libertarianism (voluntaryism).

When my kids were under 10 years, we would use the “1..2..3…” formula to let them know we were done talking and get moving. Otherwise a swat on the rear would come next. We never had to actually swat. Always worked.

Reason that follows intuition, not exclude it ? But intuition can be wrong? Reason has to follow passion ? I think passion can obscure reason.

Well right off the bat that's not true...conservatives will not be kicked out of the group for trying to understand liberals....I have lost alot of friends and family for coming out as a conservative who voted for Trump.. .its nice that you're trying to remain so neutral. Even if the hatred is not necessarily equal

Corporations support CSR unless it reduces the compensation of the "C" suite.

Both are GOOD people who are DIFFERENT. Have different values.

It's not even different values. It's tribal loyalty. If you present the same concept to people of seemingly opposing factions, they often can't tell which "side" it is unless you tell them. People WANT to be sheep of one fold or another. Apple understood this and has crafted a customer base that cannot extricate itself in the end.

Very important discussion which is relevant for all countries but unfortunately watched by just about 101k in 6 years. Greater no. of people watch samosa recipe in India in 1 year.

Hey Kool-Aid! The interviewer really needed a good cold drink...

"We are bathed in arguments from people who are not integratively complex" he basically summed up the entire networks of Fox News and MSNBC right there. The sad truth is that there is no money in the integration of thought i.e.. people don't want to tune in and listen to things that will give them cognitive dissonance or a shock to their confirmatory bias. I will always believe people like Sean Hannity and Rachael Maddow are more alike than they are different but again its all about business.

That was awesome. I need this book before everyone in my circle kills each other.

Some good points for sure. But if we were truly incapable of getting past our biases there could be no scientific progress.

I would consider myself a 'new atheist' but I thought the book was great. I didn't think the book did anything to say that being an atheist was wrong or incorrect.It was more about people and their perceptions.

8:09 bookmark

Do you believe absolute freedom can exist in a moral capacity?

Now I know why I am such a centrist. I rationalize a lot with boolean logic and lateral logic (particularly disproving, i.e. the majority (of a group) is always wrong). ;)

I've heard others blame Newt Gingrich's change to congressional work rules (spend less time in Washington DC - and subsequent loss of social interaction among legislators) as a big reason for the increase in partisanship and inability to collaborate to get work done. While that change was made to engender more interaction with constituents back home, after the Citizens United decision the constituents don't matter as much anyway (versus the big money donors) so it might make sense for legislators to spend more time in DC.

The law of Karma? I wouldn't describe it as such. it is true we all make mistakes but one should always put themselves in a position to win. Would I come down on someone with the wrath of Mother Nature because someone has made a mistake? I would examine why someone would have choose that decision but when it ends up being shoved down society's throat is that we must pay for that persons bad decision making process and the even sadder part is that the person who has made that mistake, demands that someone else fixes the problem they created whereas they refuse to take ownership and even worse sees no error in their ways.

I really liked the interview overall, and am excited to read his book.I think that Haidt uses some old stereotypes about liberals and conservatives. As a current social worker for the past thirty years, and and a self-described progressive, many in my profession would consider themselves liberal. Haidt describes (18:40) liberals as using reasoning with children over punishment, and not advocating for "swift punishment." I invite Haidt to visit some social services that are run by liberals. We as social workers have developed programs that have logical consequences and services that empower people in place. We consider bad social work as creating services that make people dependent on government aid. Car-seat events that my Public Health department conducts require that parents attend a one-hour training to learn how to install the three types of car seats, and then go out to their cars to install the seat under the supervision of a car seat safety technician. We've supported and referred people with serious mental illness to attend "peer-run" support groups, that is groups that are run not be a professional but a person with lived experience of mental illness. This supports empowerment and provides opportunities for employment to these individuals.

3:50 our reasoning happens only after we know where we want to go

Free thinkers emphasize freedom. This is not a tribal orientation, but rather an uninhibited spontaneous wisdom. Unlike Humes inherent bias underscores rationalizing, or providing a rational for the passions. Reason holds the emotions in abeyance; it is the dispassionate tool of analysis, synthesis and evaluation.

Holy crap, the gifts just keep giving. Hell, this guy grew up in New York City? A little younger than me, attended all the best schools? He could be my (Jewish) first cousin from the "proper side" of the tracks. All roads for these videos lead from the privileged academic elite from "my kind".

The delusions of grandeur, ("separateness"). Observations cleared this up thousands of years ago. Or, "don't fool yourself with fantastic assumptions".

I have to say I agree with a lot Mr. Haidt is saying. 1. Math. Yes absolutely get rid of anything past algebra, mostly because my kids come home and need help and I'm clueless! LOL No in all seriousness statistics are extremely important, it presents facts, evidence. I've noticed over the past few years people do not want to look at the numbers. One reason, they do not help to make them right and prove their point, and the biggest reason in my opinion is that people simply do not understand them. My husband can spout IT information at me all day but it might as well be in another language because I just don't get it. Teach the kids everyday math. How to balance a checkbook, make a budget, figure out taxes, etc. Basically anything they can use to help them be an adult. 2. Civics. Yes and amen. Teach them both sides! If you are to listen to someone with a different opinion and can try to understand their position, and be respectful in your responses it will go a long way. Today people do not listen, they hear the first bit of what the other person is saying and are already preparing a counter attack in their mind of the response they will have. Learn to listen, acknowledge what they said be respectful in your response, this needs to be taught. James 1:19 says it best, Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath. 3. Congress. Mr. Haidt is 100% correct about congress! They are the example and what a poor one! They sit on TV slam the other side and are not working together! A house divided against itself cannot stand. Abraham Lincoln said that but it comes from Jesus himself in the bible. Mark 3:25 4. Quote I love. "Societal decay happens when you don't have swift punishment"- Mr. Haidt Yes and amen, we're seeing this today. 4. Morals. I disagree with him on what he said about teaching morals. I agree they need to be taught but by who's standards? Mr. Haidt said himself that conservatives like to see justice right away and Liberals are more slack in that matter, "they have a complete ban on blaming the victim." I'm not sure if he meant to use the word victim or not. I do not believe the conservatives would put blame on a victim, but would put it on the person in the wrong doing. What example does this set when there are two different examples? It brings confusion. That's exactly what we're seeing today, a lack of morals and confusion. Where would the correct moral teaching come from? Well the bible, God's word. I know people disagree but the clips below really explains it in a "a-ha, that makes sense" way. I had to make clips, youtube did not have the scene I was looking for, I thank you for your patience with my ignorance in this type of technology. Please watch Morals 2, first and morals 1 second. They are in that order below. The clips are from a Movie called Time Changer. Excellent movie BTW if you're a Christian, which I am if you haven't figured it out already =) ukposts.infoUgkxhV-iHoZnhRkBmbpIKRHpmFzGrsx4Ttmq ukposts.infoUgkxQh7obY3L985gEa4CGWzeDsP-ANqdqr9A Anyway, excellent interview! It was very informative and insightful.

I'm not from US and I'm a math teacher, but I staunchly support Haidt's view that there's too much math being taught at schools. I guess it happens almost everywhere, not only US. There are many things more useful to learn than quadratic equations or the hexagon's area. I love these subjects, but forcing them upon everbody isn't really desirable in nowadays society.

Anything that starts with a broad lie about the behavior of organisms in the "animal kingdom", and which also removes humans from the "animal kingdom", is bound to make your eyes roll. However, when you add an audio technician with a preference for lip and spit smacking, you really get something worth turning off immediately.

"Stop wasting so much of our students' time learning math, it's not useful, it's not helpful," followed by "teach them statistics." sounds like someone has tenure in the Humanities...

If you want to stop the gridlock in congress get rid of party primaries and have all candidates run in a single non-partisan primary. Allow voters to vote YES or NO on each candidate and the two candidates with the most YES votes face off in the general. If we do this you get rid of the tribal partisanship and allow centrist candidates to win. Also, the House could use a Condorcet method to elect the Speaker of the House.

So he's going to base his conclusions on whether he pleases both sides enough. Wonderful basis for perceiving the truth.

would requiring voting help? It seems that would force political discourse to become more persuasive....more serious engagement with opposing ideas. Right now politicians seem to have more to gain just by alarming the folks on their own side.

REBEL NOW!

While it is theoretically useful to draw a clear distinction between trends, here between Liberals and Conservatives, I think that the opposition between these two trends here is far too radical. In reality, pure types or ideal-types are scarce and we meet more frequently Conservative-Liberals or Liberal-Conservatives. By this I mean for instance that one can be fundamentally Conservative, as I am, that is to say detesting the disorder, the havoc and the slackness, admiring many achievements of the past, respecting traditions when they don't cause harm while recognizing the need to grant as much freedom as possible because human beings need a certain degree of freedom to grow. The current "progressive" problem is that the liberal current [supported by the not so good grip of economic dynamics on society] dominates the public discourse for too long and because of this has lost its usual counterweight. The result is that it has become extravagant and unrealistic. But I am convinced that reasonable Conservatives and Liberals can get along. Both are important for the smooth running of society.

3:34 rationalism or rationality?

Around 24:00 The first time I disagree with him: math is important. I agree, thought, that math is not knowing how to solve equations - math teaches to think and learning why the square root of 2 is an irrational number can teach a lot about how to think. Besides, statistics is math.

Normalized Insanity I’m a transistorized, transgenederized, transmogrified trans-human A corporatized, commercialized, industrial-strength consumer A goal setting, gym sweating, debt fretting freak A social climbing net-worker that’s always on heat I got my education, majoring in indoctrination Where they taught me to comply, to never question why And so I’m chasing an illusion, of success that’s a delusion That is sending me insane, exploding my brain And as we teeter on the brink, soon to be extinct I always wear a smile, coz I'm living in denial

21:30 if your partisan you cannot think that way…You’d get fired.

"I would be surprised if they bothered. There's not much economic incentive for them to do it" Summed up the truth (big T), precisely. Lol I doubt he even realized it.

People need to learn to go beyond politics, borders, race, enthicy, sex and greed to find god and be happy

5:12 "If I was President of the United States I wouldn't be wearing this stupid tie"

Millions of us left the Democratic Party when Ron Paul came on the scene. Having the freedom to hear a perspective beyond the mainstream media - which only became possible with youtube - has led to a complete recalibration of the political landscape. Very safe to say that the Left's perspective has dominated the culture for way too long.

IF we account for externalities (if we make prices honest), pursuit of profit (pursuit of shareholder interests) will align with societal interests. Progressives should not decry capitalism because corporations pursue profit. Progressives should decry the dishonest market and demand fees charged to industry proportional to pollution emitted, resources extracted or wildlife habitat destroyed. The policy will be fair if we share proceeds from fees to all people. Charging fees proportional to harmful impact, then sharing fee proceeds, will promote sustainability and end poverty.

23:55, math beyond algebra is not useful? Goodbye all modern technology then. I guess he just means not useful for political thought. Love Jonathan Haidt's videos, his math bias notwithstanding ;).

The micing is such that sounds like lip smacking are picked up. Very distracting!

I think it is amusing that he thinks that John Kerry and George W. Bush were different politically.

Rigorous MATH is how you learn to think objectively, OK? It teaches you to have SOUND LOGIC built upon axioms. Don't piss off Mathematicians.

Regarding congress members, I have to disagree. House members need to live among their constituents because that is who they represent and must be accountable to them constantly. Getting things done is the problem, they create too much legislation. The less congress gets done the better off we are.

My phone wrote the comment not me

He groups people into two categories which is pushing the narrative that these two groups are different. People are people and there are people in both parties that at many times agree on the same things. The difference is policy. Which policies help others and which hurt. The far left believes in policies that sound wonderful, but in actuality don't always work. The right can see the policies don't work, but pushing threw policies that do, sometimes leaves a group of people out of the equation. This is the opening that is seized and exploded by the left. There will always be the poor among us, we need policies that work for the majority and charity for those who fall through the cracks. As people's lives improve, more and more people can reach out in their community to help those in need. This is the natural progression of enlightenment.

People choose ethics from childhood. Not being ethical should be sanctioned instead of admired when the person is successful despite their unethical behaviour.

Did you just say that Newt Gingrich ended personal friendships among the members of Congress by asking new congress to be segregated? That must have seemed like a good idea at the time but it has created enemies instead of colleagues. Wow, awful!!

19:07 who is Haight talking about here? Who is he defining as "the victim"? Also, why is he using Karma without defining it? Trying to better understand his point. Thanks

The “missing link” is God. Those who truly believe in a Divine Creator-Being who has ultimate purity understand He has laid down the basis for all morality. Those who don’t, believe in moral relativism, that is the practice of what any one individual thinks is moral and moral behavior. As a result any behavior, can be justified because man makes himself God. Both liberals and conservatives can be guilty of this. It isn’t exclusive.