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" if you dont like it dont buy it" " Nobody buys it" " Surprised Pikachu face"

At some point, game studios will realise that Twitter isn't actually a game console and stop making game for it...

Is almost as if doing something that your fanbase didn't want was a recipe for disaster

Saints Row didn't die it was sabotaged and murdered

Still to this day I still think Saints Row 2 had the perfect balance of wackiness while still being a serious game.

There are very few examples of ''completely discarding your previous audience'' actually working. And yet these companies not only keep on doing it, but have the balls to actually insult the previous fanbase who made your franchise what it is for not liking the new direction. This is absolutely insane to me, it really is.

If Agents of Mayhem was the coffin, then Saints Row (2022) was the final nail.

Just remember that when we gave them constructive criticism about the trash they showed us, they taunted us with “Haters gonna hate” memes. Maybe if they listened to us, they’d still be in business but what would I, a fan since launch day of Saints Row 1, know?

Saints Row 2 will always remain a rough masterpiece in my mind. The formula should be continued and expanded upon, without going overboard.

Made for the "modern audience".

Can't wait for your Rise and Fall of Rocksteady video.

The insane ego and hubris of the developers who thought that essentially putting a middle finger up to the fans that had bought their games by going against what the games were previously all about is two things, hilarious, and, sadly, incredibly indicative of franchise owners - both video games, film, and TV - since the mid to late 2010s. And I love every second of it. This is what happens when you start employing people who don't actually care about your games, and can't wait to press their own identity into the media. They would rather poison a pre-existing well just because, than build one from the ground up.

As soon as they mentioned the Embracer Group, I knew this franchise would not end on a happy note

R. I. P. Volition. And R. I. P. my farfetched dreams of a Red Faction Guerilla sequel...

I have no sympathy for them what so ever. A big part of that is because they choose to attack fans with criticism instead of taking it with humility. You want to make money you don't attack your long time fans.

You can either be the Director of the Sonic film or you can be the Saint's Row 2022 Volition. One path leads to success and the other leads to death.

If any company says they are making a game for a "modern audience" then I will not buy their game.

They weren't able to pay off their student loan debts.

The same people who created the original Saint Rows series left Volition before the development of Hipsters Row 2022.

The "Haters gonna Hate" reply was the clear indicator that the studio didn't give a fuck about their original fans, and it sure bit them in the ass for moving towards a goofier storyline after SR2. Damn shame they didn't remaster the first 2 games

Some people, including developers have been very delusional about this, but Volition didn't die because of Embracer. Their leadership failed to pick a compelling direction for the future of the franchise and to stick to it. The Matt McMuscles video features testimonies of devs revealing that the team kept losing precious development time because of hesitations concerning the way the story should go and the creative direction as a whole. The answers of the creative director during interviews betrayed an unwillingness to go anywhere near the grittiness of making an actual crime-centered game, trying to reinvent the franchise as a generic action game, clean of drugs, sex work or gangs. And here's the thing: regardless of my love for SR2, I don't think that rebooting Saints Row into something more lighthearted or "wacky" necessarily means the end of the franchise. But they, at least, needed a leadership that recognized that doing so successfully would require them to release the most polished and compelling Volition game to date ! The fans would have embraced a flawed return of the franchise if it were a familiar version of the franchise. But if you alienate the fanbase, there is no other choice but to impress the mainstream audience. They had two choices but picked a disastrous third option, make a game that no one wished for. Let it be remembered that months before Embracer failed to secure their $2 Billion deal (not just months before they communicated about it, months before it actually happened), Volition was already in a bad spot in the eyes of Embracer, given that Saints Row 2022 was their biggest release and biggest disappointment during that period. A critical and commercial failure that followed the critical and commercial failure of Agents of Mayhem. What the hell are you supposed to do with a studio that spent the last several years showing, both, an inability to successfully create new IP's and an inability to successfully expand on their biggest success ? It's a tragedy for most of the workforce that lost their job despite their hardwork. I have nothing but appreciation for them. But Volition's leadership failed Volition.

"Student debt"

Whether or not you blame Embracer for shafting Volition to cut costs, whether or not the reboot's failure did pull the proverbial trigger on Volition's existence, one can hardly call their downfall a tragedy with the way they reacted to criticism which, obviously, turned out to be completely warranted. Who would've thought that a reboot featuring a bunch of sociopathic college dropouts that the original Saints would make fun of -- and kick their asses without breaking a sweat -- would be a recipe for disaster. I always recall how Jeff Fowler, the director of the 2 Sonic movies, responded to all the criticism regarding Sonic's hideous design by simply going "You're right, it sucks so we're gonna fix it". Lo and behold, he's now made 2 highly successful Sonic movies, with a 3rd one and a spinoff show well underway...and the fans couldn't be happier, both for him and the work he put out for them to enjoy. I'd say good riddance to Volition, but I have a suspicion none of the old guard were around when Embracer brought in the firing squads. Just about the only tragedy amidst this wreckage is that we'll never see a proper fix of Saints Row 2 on PC, whose main developer died during production only for Volition to shelve it in favor of the reboot nobody wanted. To think they could've very likely made more money off a proper Saints Row 2 PC port than the steaming turd of a reboot we got instead.

😂 "Haters gonna hate" and "we're not backing down from this game"...Yeah, how'd that work out, there, ya smug bastards? I love it when devs go head-to-head with us and lose.

The Devs of the Saints Row reboot saw the negative feedback about Watch Dogs 2's cast and said "hold my beer"

Most of these dev studios, the original people left that created what we loved. That’s why people love Kojima, Ken Levine, etc. They’re names you can trust through a catalog of work vs a studios with a random director every few years. Doesn’t matter what studio they’re running. You know you’re getting something of quality when they’re in charge.

Audio is strangely crusty in this video. Even checked on multiple devices and headphones and the video still has some crackling audio.

This is gonna be a gooood one. It genuinely sucks to see Saints Row go.

I think when it comes to Saints Row people really use the word “GTA clone” Way too much so much that they had to change their direction for the series.

Guess that DEI check wasn’t enough to keep the doors open. What a shame, I can only dream of a good saint row reboot, with a competent team

That response to valid fan criticism and advice should have been the only red flag you needed, to know you have the wrong people working on your game.

I keep saying that the reboot was so bad it made revisiting Agents of Mayhem look like a good idea.

This one hurts the most. Saints Row 2 is one of the greatest games of all time. All they had to do was go back to something closer to that.

Cant imaging making a game that checks off every box that makes Twitter happy but then realize they didn't show up to buy your game.

Had they just stayed a GTA clone they would still be around today. Just release your game between Rockstar releases and you are making money.

What a time to be alive to watch almost all of my favourites IPs going up in flames

Volition: "We looked at the past and what the fans wanted and we didn't want to be constrained by all that because we are soo creative we are beyond all those matters". Fans: Sheer-Fucking-Hubris!

Hope that esg score was worth it.

RIP my beloved Deus Ex, Embracer did you in.

RIP Volition, I love Red Faction.

Smug just doesn’t sell

That undercover FBI story sounded like something I've wanted in a GTA story for so long. Sucks that we could've had that in SR but leads said "nah, lets go with some bullshit instead"

Volition: "Implementing GeoMod2 capabilities would have made for an experience that felt unlike Saints Row" Also Volition: proceeds to puts out a game (Saints Row 3, and everything else following it) that is completely unlike Saints Row.

I never thought that GVMERS was going to do an SR video. But I'm glad you did.

The gameplay change from Saints Row 2 to Saints Row 3 really killed it for me. Then it only got worse with the fourth one. It became way to wacky and lost a lot of what made the second game great

If sweet baby inc touches it, it dies.

I think one of the ways I look out for and question in new games is that one haircut lol

They had one simple job. Be a fun and whacky GTA And they sold the bag

12:12 One of the best things about Saints Row is the freedom that it gave players even more than what other open world games gave at the time. Volition was ahead of it's time that even studios like Rockstar Games took inspiration of Character Customization idea with GTA Online and Personal Vehicles that was borrowed from Saints Row.

The first game killed by D.I.E.

It's a shame what happened to the series. Saints Row 2 is genuinely one of the greatest games of the past 20 years. The fact we'll never see a remaster at this rate is a tragedy.

I missed you, GVMERS.

"Rise" and Fall of Sweet Baby Inc when?

The thumbnail low-key says it all

The franchise was in fall since Saints Row 3. No-matter how much I loved 3, Saints Row 2 is objectively their best game through stylistic aspect, before Volition turned the GTA parody into a well-made dick-joke.

was the latest saints row sweet baby incs magnus opus ?

One of the few times I was happy to see a developer fail was Volition with the new Saints Row.

Fans: Don't do this because it'll flop and no one will buy it. Company: Haters gonna hate. Also company: Wait, this was a financial flop??? How???!

Surprised you're only doing this series just now. 😮

Top reasons Saints Row 2022 destroyed Volition: * Talent egress * Employees going out of their way to antagonize long time customers. * "A game updated for a modern audience". * A "sense of humor" or lack thereof restrained by wokeness. * An insistence on pushing The Message. * A poor product in terms of gameplay, glitches/bugs, and substandard story. * A studio culture of arrogance/self congratulation/lack of humility and self awareness. * Being embarrassed of the game that made their studio successful.

Imagine putting all your eggs into the "hipster Zoomer game" hat and thinking it will work lmao.

I'm going to be devastated when the narrator gets replaced by an AI

I wish that we could have a remake of the Saints Row 1 and 2

I always preferred Saints Row over GTA. It's a shame they chose to reboot the series into "Hipster's Row." Just another example that all it takes is one mistake to sink a franchise.

The Yakuza series is a prime example of what Saints Row should have been. Serious main story, wacky side content.

The shills of the reboot didn't even bought the game they're shilling for.

Never thought I'd see the day were saints row would be on this list, and yet here it is.

It's really weird nobody in Volition looked at the reboot and said "damn that shit sucks" 😵‍💫 How tf you look at the game and say "yeah that's good, ship it"?

The combination of The Embracer Group and Sweet Baby Inc. doomed Volition.

"Contemporarily relevant story" "we didn't feel comfortable with the other games in this franchise" Uhh huh...

I still play saints row 1&2 back to back, some people may think gaming is so small, but i have plenty of the best memories, when i game i feel peace its a deep story how i got into gaming at age 8

I don't think any of the original dev members still working at Volition who worked on previous Saint Row games. Look at the drastic change of style between the Saint Rows remake and previous Saint Rows games they both look like two different teams worked on it. I would even say Saint Rows 3 had none of the original dev teams who worked on Saint Rows 2.

When has a franchise EVER been successful when it's made for "modern audiences" ? Who sits around and comes up with these ideas and say that's a good idea it always works out

"modernizing" crime is "Lashondra" pushing a cart filled with beef cuts out of a grocery store without paying.

I love when you show Broll of and give details about the development, such as the 3D tools, techniques and challenges.

SO many great memories playing Descent FreeSpace on my IBM back in the day, first PC game I ever bought.

Saints Row went woke and then went broke. It's not that complicated.

Sadly this is what happens when you start listening to sweet baby inc.

The first saints row blew my mind back in 06. The story is way better than any GTA game. It had the perfect amount of humor to go with the serious nature of the story. Also the multiplayer was more than "tacked on", protect tha pimp and blinged out ride were so fun and unique. If anyone hasn't played the first saints row, you owe it to yourself

Adding insult to injury, everyone on GOG had their SR4 Game of The Year edition replaced with some new updated and renamed cross-platform garbage and the product name retroactively changed.

Saints row 2 will always be my favorite

I'm replaying through the 1st game right now and despite it being almost 2 decades old it STILL holds up pretty well. (Imo the characters look way better than SR2) They should have stayed with the gangster vibe, since GTA has long abandoned that kinda thing. Loved the first couple games but this series really shit the bed hard.

As a fan of SR2, I felt abandoned by the devs after this game. I was all in on the gang stories. After 2 there wouldn't be any more of that

the research you guys do for these videos is unparalleled

"Haters gonna hate" - Some SR Reboot developer

I only bought a 360 because I was too excited about PS3 to wait for it to come out - I didn't know much about any of the games on it I got COD 2, Test Drive Unlimited, Just Cause, Saints Row and Oblivion I was *not* disappointed 😂

I could cry thinking about all the fun I had in saints row 2😢

Howdy! Thank you for these videos, i've watched them for years and something I aspire to! Again, thank you for the content!

The saddest part of this is they only needed to improve on what existed in Saints row 1 and 2 but no. They decided to make it for a "modern" audience and went with the, fix it after its released approach.

Saints Row 1 & 2 are the best.

A barnburner of a channel video, GAMERS. A game series with this long of a history needed the extra cooking time, and y'all delivered some rich food. I'm playing through 1 and 2 now, even have 3 on retainer... hard part is deciding which of the first two games to stick to!

Just seeing that model makes me cringe. Saints Row 1 and 2 will forever be in my top crime games

After actually beginning to play Saints Row '06, I realised that 1. The series was always good and veering into a wackier direction skewing the balance of seriousness and silliness for the latter was a bad idea and 2. Saints Row also had the honour of being one of the first Sandbox titles to allow you to move whilst shooting... _on consoles._ (Just Cause and Mercenaries being the others) Moving whilst shooting with a dual analog style of controls instantly made it a cult favourite, ditto for the playful urban grit and awesome physics, and I'm not at all surprised that some people think Volition jumped the shark with The Third rather than IV due to the former being where the painful shift in direction was made clear: Franchises _do_ need to change with the times, but Saints Row changed for the worst, even if The Third was the franchise's highest selling entry and does have a fan following. If anything, I feel happy that the franchise is now dead, because Embracer, Deep Silver and the people who took over Volition for The Turd just don't see what was so appealing in the franchise to begin with. Makes me wonder how they'll butcher Red Faction.

Saints Row 2 was such a leap forward it had both jets AND airplanes.

Imagine a Saints Row game that takes place in New York City and focuses on the New York Drill Scene. The Saints already rep purple so they can stay in Sugarhill, Harlem. OY is a real gang in Sugarhill, Harlem that rep purple. Imagine Pierce yelling out "YGZK!!" and and "DOAK!!". Man the game would be fire. I could imagine a mission where me, Pierce, Johnny Gat and other Saints members run down on a opp and poke them up and give them the Woo Lotti special.

I really enjoyed the franchise, even when saints row went overboard i still enjoyed it. Saints row 4 was a few steps back but still enjoyable. Reboot seemed to include developers that wanted to insert themselves into the game. Thus we ended up with a cast of bland and non believable characters that look like they would run away from any confrontation. Include the bad comedy that seemed to be careful not to insult anyone, although it did exactly what it didn't want. The reboot is nothing more than a mediocre game at best with the title name only being used to boost sales.

I can't believe they let that cancer patient die for NOTHING! RIP Mike Watson aka IdolNinja, the last REAL motherfuker in left in that God forsaken Studio.

I wonder if this is gonna cover the stuff Flippy covered in his SR2 videos

Everyone Come Quick Gvmers documentary has drop ❤