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There’s something that needs to be said from this… I would prefer that everyone needs to have a certain level of transparency when showing the next gen chips… Essentially for me all day battery life compared w less time near a wall outlet is what I really need… Forget thinness of the phones… larger more thicker phones w a good amount of efficiency and good battery savings paired a good durable housing and easily replaceable parts is key to me getting my phone moving forward…. Another great quality video Arun… Cheers

WE're PAST the point were we need extra performance from generation to generation. If Qualcom releases next year a chip that consumes 20% less energy but has no performance gains. That's still huge.

As mentioned in the video, I wish manufacturers would shift focus from constantly increasing the power of the chips, to improving them in other ways. Stuff like better power efficiency would be an upgrade consumers would actually benefit from to a much larger extent.

Thanks for bringing this up. I always wondered on this; on benchmarking scores and the actually performance of the device during stressful gaming.

Those numbers were always a bit shady for me since, when actually comparing both the new flagship and the previous one, you wouldn't even get close to those numbers. Let's hope manufacturers start focusing on the cooling and battery side of things more.

I knew about the benchmark cheating from the past, didn't know we're still trying to pull this crap. As for GOS: I'm not entirely against the idea; I don't need the full power of the chip while scrolling through twitter or something. However this should be clearly communicated to the user, and I have to be able to turn it off on a per app basis, or in its entirety

Excellent job with the background music!! Feeling pumped 😁💕

The bit about focusing on focusing on lower power consumption and better heat management is interesting to note because, if we were to shift our gaze over to the desktop and laptop space, that was one of the reasons why Apple switched from PowerPC to x86 processors, and while idk if it was explicitly one of the reasons they did it, it's also another benefit for switching from x86 to ARM. In both cases, a big driving factor behind the change in architecture was a desire for processors that were more powerful but that also ran cooler and used less power.

For me one of the most important things in a phone is battery life - I’m not that interested in slightly higher peak performance that’s only gonna drain my phone anyway. However I do agree that Samsung shouldn’t have hidden this feature from their users and used it to manipulate their customers…

I just about had a heart attack when I received my s10 and realised it was Exynos instead of Snapdragon. Always gonna make sure its snapdragon from now on ahah

I would like to commend the organization and cohesiveness of how you explain in these kinds of videos. I have an extremely short attention span so it's hard for me to stick long, but of course I'd still like to learn. Kudos to you! Kept it short and sweet, while giving the most information.

I'd basically say that most smartphones have a bottleneck in cooling. And chip manufacturers are extending the bottleneck. And instead should work to solve it so that bumping their performance actually matters.

Even though you've named this video as if it's only samsung's scandal, I'm glad you mentioned other companies being in the wrong here. And that we need to be vigilant to keep them from lying to us. Next step would be to take charts from a presentation with at least a grain of salt. Especially since independant reviews are now coming in to show how straight-up false they are.

It would've been useful if big influencers like you covered the issues on S22 Ultra for eg audio video delay so that Samsung finally does something to fix it quick. On the flip side nice video as always!!

As always, cheers for a great upload, and I took the SurfShark deal too. Absolute steal. Cheers bud 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

I only watched this because someone linked it in a discord server, but I have to say I love the smirk you have throughout the video! It makes you look like you are genuinely excited to talk about this stuff!

Thing is this has been going on for years, meaning that last year's phone were also limited in performance. The actual performance the users see is improved from the throttled down phones of years past.

Congratulations for making the highest-quality tech videos on the internet! Your videos are not only detailed, informative, and educational, but highly entertaining! You keep the attention even of people who aren’t particularly into the tech topic you’re discussing in a video.

love the info you are sharing with us man, subscribed/

allways love your vids . i allways learn somthing new thanks for the info

My experience: I tried stopping the service my self (I have a rooted Note 20 Ultra) and although you DO get a bit more performance in some games for the first minutes, it actually make the whole experience worse, the game will end up eventually in the same performance realm than with the service enabled, and even make the phone more unstable, I experienced a lot more crashes on regular apps and I was logging quite more issues with the SoC spiking in performance than with the service enabled which keep everything under control. I agree with your point, this should NOT happen, but the main issue comes from the need for marketing for every upgrade, they need to say "this new phone has a faster chip" in order to make people upgrade their phones, and they need to "prove" the chip is faster, even though this will make virtually 0 difference with the last phone because thermals and battery are constraints still.

I've felt for a while now that the chips are a big issue. It's really no use to bring out these new chips that can perform slightly better than their predecessor for a significant power and heat increase. Maybe the industry should start looking at making more efficient chips instead of forcefully pushing out big numbers, as that'd probably lead to even bigger innovations in the battery and quality-of-life departments.

My Xiaomi 12X with the slower tier chip is actually faster then the flagship Xiaomi 12, that's just because having the same battery and liquid cooling system of the flagship equipped on a slower cooler chip enables my phone to run at peak power at any time giving me almost two days of battery life!

Very interesting video and pretty neat ideas! thanks for the insights!!

It's nice to be subscribed to a youtube channel which openly talks about the problems of a company, not fearing how big the company is and how it could affect future sponsorships and videos.

Hey arun love your videos so informative and I'd like you to do a full review on the s22

0:37 love how he said 'the software runs in the background' and they you see 2 people running in the background 😅

The next phone needs a superior cooling system, I wouldn't mind similar performance but would like to see a phones chip be on peak performance.

love behind-the-scenes tech classes with Aron because I be learning something new every time there's a new video

Ur the man I do look forward to u with tech tips all the way from Oklahoma sir I appreciate you! Your very proper I still have my 12 max pro because of ue

Samsung may have been caught but I'd wager most companies do it

We've already got all the power we need for smartphones. Software has become bloated and developers have become lazy. Let's focus on optimisation rather than speed.

I went morroco on a camel ride in the desert the iPhone shut down saying over heating, the Samsung galaxy fold continued to work

very nice... I can it is great video after a very long gap.. lot other influencers just tell same bull shit... but you are doing good job

Finally, new tech explainer stuff. Keep coming with more of these stuff 🔥

Amazing! I love how you talk about both pros & cons of things in such an unbiased way👍

Wow very informative video. Thanks. I just purchased a ultra 22 yesterday and may consider returning it once I receive it.

The funniest thing is; Android users are more honest about their phones than Apple users

tysm for constantly pushing the envelope of how good and well researched a topic can be, from the first few minutes i can see the amount of effort you put into even seemingly trivial stuff. Thank you for the information as well as the top tier entertainment ! :D

Being able to choose what kind of performance i want for each and every every program on my asus rog phone is great and if i don't care about it running super smooth at 60 or 120fps i can just keep it on auto and it does a pretty good job at balancing power consumption and performance. I wish more companies would allow for this level of customisation so we wouldn't run in to these kinds of problems

Just wanted to hammer your own point home: If next year they only produced a chip that is 30% more efficient but does not have any notable increase in peak performance, *you still would be getting an increase in performance* overall since you are able to actually utilize that loss.

You nailed it, to add to it, Samsung Galaxy series WIFI is the most unstable one. I have noticed this in Note 9 to Note 20. Not sure other versions have this issue. Wifi keeps disconnecting if you move away from one access point to other, whether using Mesh or normal network.

This was a phenomenal video, excellent breakdown of the situation. As a long time Samsung user (s6, s7, s10, s21), I've read lots of speculation that Game Optimizing Services throttles performance. Furthermore, it's been almost impossible to remove or disable without rooting your phone. This has been one of the more frustrating aspects, for transparency, testing, and because it prevents users from using their hardware how they see fit. Although I understand why hardware manufacturers are doing what they are doing, I do hope to see some changes in the near term (as more adequate cooling and power solutions will take time, and likely increase cost). I hope that phone manufacturers will be more transparent about what exactly their software does, and that users will be "allowed" to disable services as they see fit. As long as users are informed of potential risks, it should be a user's prerogative to do what they want with what they own. I also hope some sort of industry standard is adopted for how (mobile) chips are tested and compared. Peak performance is fine, but for what length of time can it be sustained? More importantly, what level of performance (and efficiency) can be had for say, 30 minutes at a time? Generally, I think people who care about this stuff understand that hardware is limited by it's cooling, and understand that some throttling is acceptable. Just as long as there is transparency, that's my big thing.

Is this a scandal? I expect my phone to do CPU scaling just like a laptop. But maybe I’m an old nerd. The peak performance is still a part of my end-user experience even with CPU scaling.

this man is just exposing a huge company lol

Insightful video Arun! You raised very important points regarding battery life, chips power and manufacturers' "dishonestly" limiting performance. What do you think about the actual batteries capacity? Do you think it is fair for consumers to overpay for "powerful" chips and other "premium" components while getting suboptimal batteries? What do you think about manufacturers putting 450-600 Wh/L batteries when there are 750-850 Wh/L batteries available in the market? That would effectively give 30-50% more energy for smartphones per every charge for the same size battery! Should smartphone manufacturers move to 6000-7000mAh batteries for premium models such as S22Ultra, iPhone 13 max and etc?

I had heard about this issue. Thanks for giving an in depth look. I care more about the features and capabilities of the device than I do the benchmark scores anyway. Still, this was good to know more about.

Honestly, I would not mind having a 1.5-2mm thicker, heavier phone if the manufacturer assures it has a better, bigger battery and cooling system to power the whole chipset at its prime. Thank you, Mrwhosetheboss!

That's what I love about my P30 Pro. If I start games like Genshin Impact, it runs at 29-30 fps. But there is an option. Performance mode. The battery decreases really, really fast, but I get to play every game in 60 fps. If I plug it in and play for a couple of hours, the phone gets really really hot. But I bought it in 2019 and I still don't have any problems with the phone, even tho I really often used that feature

Great insight and explanation. Also, GOS 😅

This explains why Samsung's latest phone has a lot of issues when playing ML, And people thought it was Moonton's fault.

I love how informative this channel is. They manage to add extra knowledge into the video whilst keeping you focused on the main topic. Now that's what you call, "quality content".

Thank you for covering this. I googled Samsung scandal and the only news articles from mainstream trusted news sources are corporate/financial breaches from many years ago. And then some tiny, possibly dodgy news sites mentioning GOS. Wish this made the news like Apple’s battery issues or the VW emission scandal, rather than be glossed over.

change the benchmark to power over time. We will be able to see the curve as it throttles due to heat. This would give an excellent view of power and cooling.

I 100% agree as I notice after each update my Galaxy s20 ultra is slower. In fact I'm wondering if the 60hz is on or not. I look at my fence One Plus Nord an it sames now of days to be running much faster than my phone.

It reminds me of the VW Diesel scandal where they limiting the emissions only when they recognize a testing device It's basically the same principle!

You would need a radiator and a fan to sustain even a 5 watt CPU at peak performance. But you can run it at peak for about 5 minutes, and then slow it down before the temperature goes too high and voila you don't need a fan. 5 min or less is enough for most users to complete whatever task, OR they may only need top performance for little short bursts even if they use their phones for hours... unless it's a video game. Games, especially 3D games often require every bit of performance out of the chip AND for extended periods of time. You can limit the frame rate to save power and prevent the chip from heating up but everyone wants more, always. Most games on smartphones are limited to 30fps even if your screen can refresh at 90 or 120Hz the game still render at a lower rate and at a lower resolution than your screen's native specs. This is all done in the name of reducing power consumption and heat. Out of most apps, games are by far the most power hungry and demanding of performance. Designing software that reduces power consumption and heat while allowing the chip to perform as fast as it can under the given constraints is what every smartphone maker SHOULD be doing. That the problem is the tendency of manufacturers to believe their users are idiots and providing ZERO control over these features. To Samsung's credit they have given toggles and switches for a lot of the stuff - I was pleasantly surprised to find a "limit battery charge to 85%" function in the settings of my Note that was not there before. It was like a nostalgic moment reminding me why I am a Note user. Silliness aside, I think as the demand for high performance on smartphones gets higher and higher we will start seeing more controls over the power management software. Demand for performance has outpaced progress in making chips more efficient (do more for less watts) so clever software is used instead to manage chips that consume more power than ever before. New phones nowadays are designed around this and are simply not meant to perform at 100% power for any longer than about 5 min. It's an understandable compromise but users need more control over this.

Puttin the Samsung "Z" flip on the background was a nice touch :D

Very well explained. thanks Arun. Love from Philippines ..💛💙❤

The Apple instance was a little different compared to the other devices’ throttling. I do agree that it should have been made public.

0:37 Runs In The Background 😂🤣😂🤣 (Real People Running In The Background)

Love the S22 Graphite color Arun. Subtle, no name dropping with it. Keeping it classy as always and not trying to sell us product. But we noticed...it is a sweet color!

HI, I'm thankful for your video, sorry I came across it late but I've learned a new lesson today. My personal responce is manufacturers have lost sight of what Apple implimented in the first place, which is making software smaller and more efficient to the goal of improving speed and reliablility. So I agree, we don't need more powerful chips, what we need is more efficent software that consumes less power and resources in the first place. But I would like to ask you a question (I'd be really greatful for a reply). Does this same issue translate to tablets. I have a Samsung Tab S7, it has GOS as you mentioned (I assume it's a built in app based on what you said). But does this issue affect tablets the same as phones. As tablets are bigger and most have similar chipsets to flagship phones, I would imagine tablets wouldn't be as constrained with regards to battery power and cooling. So can I safely disable GOS on my tablet? Thank you :D

Thanks for the explanation.Makes it much easier to understand!

Another thing to add to the list of things to work on. It sits right up there with right to repair and phones collecting GPS and other Data even when you opt out.

hey mrwhostheboss i used to watch u a loooooooonnnnngggggg time ago and i love your videos

Great job, Arun!!!

It was a matter of time until Samsung did it too, after apple did something similar.

With performance inhibiting software enabled, how fast are current processors when compared to older models when put in perfect environments. Do the older ones come out on top if they're able to sustain? Or do current processors out clock them even with inhibitors enabled?

Somewhat similar to having a super fast internet connection yet websites throttle download speeds to share bandwidth of their servers. Even Microsoft does this when using the W10 media creator tool.

The same thing happens with the laptops. As a Dell user, I can't even increase the voltage of my GPU by softwares like MSI nor use it's full gpu speed, leading to poor performance. But this thing should disappear when the customer is using the product primarily on AC power

The fact that Mrwhosetheboss uploads constantly is just amazing! Keep up the good work! (Keep rickrolling us)

Thanks for giving a genuine review and information.

Love the webcam view and side bars category’s. what editing software do you use.

Damn, this video is proper! I started watching your vids without liking tech, and now I'm obsessed!

"It runs in the background" 🏃🏃🏃 🤣🤣🤣 you guy's editing is so creative and so good!

This answers my question about the " Optimizing mode" but says in the description how it doesn't work for games.

great video as always. spelling mistake at 3:17

I have a Samsung Galaxy s21 ultra and I don't plan on buying another phone for years stop putting out new phones every year put out a new phone every 2 years that will solve a lot of this problem we don't need a new phone every year. People are going to stop buying phones as has already been seen phone purchases are down by 30%. Nobody needs a brand new phone every year.

0:37 i laughed so hard when the boss said that runs in the background and someone is running in the boss background 🤣

I would really like to know what you think on the possibility of diamond batteries being integrated into devices that currently use lithium ion batteries. Don't get me wrong, they (the batteries) are still in development, as far as I know. I'd just like to know your thoughts on them.

It would be interesting if you covered the S22 before and after the GOS is disabled. Also, what are the chances of what you said about chipmakers happening? Probably none lol.

Amazing high quality videos like always. You suprise me every video Arun

I love how this was just posted 2 minutes ago and it has over 77k views already u just see how far Mrwhosetheboss channel has grown

I think it would be best, if manufactures would be more transparent about it and giving you as a consumer even more control over the power-managment of your device. So that you may decide, if you want more battery life, or computing power, even on a per APP base and a bit more granular then it is possible today.

Actually, frame limiters on games are a very good idea. I've been using them on windows for 20 years. Games are often not well optimized. So Samsung's efficient game mode sounds like a good idea to me.

Honestly I wished chip makers focused on efficiency more. Would love for a 5000mah battery to last 12+ SoT easily

3:48 except Nokia (LOL)

While I do appreciate the increased level of performance, I'm less concerned about playing a game than I am about battery life while being able to use the phone normally. I would love to be able to go all day without having to charge while actually being able to fully use my phone. I used to play location games like Ingress and HPWU, so I would run the battery down.

Hey! Is this your S22U review?! If not then when's it coming!!!? I'm eagerly waiting for it plz make it!

3:17 Arun uh you spelled “service” wrong lol

Clearly everyone is here for this 5:02

May you please do a video about the long term performance of Exynos processors. Does the SD gap get bigger? Does it's own performance change? Should performance oriented individuals (gaming, camera, battery) still look for older SD phones?

Bro you make amazing content

Just love the way you explain topics which are actually complicated...

It just amazes me everytime how much you love technology and how much research and test work you do for everything before giving us any information. So thank you for that!

Wait did a minute did he really include a big o'l Z in a video from March of 2022 (That was probably shot sometime earlier in the month)? That feels.... intentional, though it probably wasn't.

I don't have enough money to buy these phones, but still watching you're all videos, and loves you're videos❤

Hey, I did do a bit of research about this last year when I was using my galaxy a71 and did notice the game optimising service halfing my performance the best part is earlier u could even disable it but after a software update samsung even updated knox to prevent people from doing that and to this day that phone even with its theoretically "more powerfull chip is more laggy and stuttery then the galaxy note 9 exynos version in game I really hoped that some one would bring this to light but i had given up. I am really glad this issue was brought to light and the issue was rectified in the s22 series but what abt the flagships which are at end of software support but still pretty relevant and capable like the note 9 and the other mid range phones? Honestly i think they should give an option to disable Game Optimising Service in developer options that way atleast the user wont disable it by accident and wonder what happened ,if the user disables they may very well be aware of the performance gains and the losses too. As i think that could be a fix or creating a seperate power mode called high performance like there was in one ui 2.1 which disables GOS. Anyways thanks so much for bringing this to light as someone had too. I really love the content and keep up the good work