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Extra Information & sometimes Corrections if needed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0:01 My old Slavic video, I can't really recommend you watch it- ukposts.info/have/v-deo/boWHiGeqgWmF1ok.html 0:08 The Slavic Venetic connection is different from the "Venetic Theory" which is an inaccurate autochtones theory created by Slovenian nationalists. 0:08 The symbol I chose for the Veneti here is a common symbol found on Przeworsk culture type weapons, this culture type was in the same area where the Veneti where described to live so it's very likely the said Veneti used this symbol. 0:55 Graia is where the Latin name Greece comes from even though Greeks call themselves Hellas and back than they didn't really even use that as they saw themselves as many independent people's like Ionians, Dorians, etc. The name Greece just came from Romans being very much indifferent to what the Greeks actually said their differences were. 1:07 I omitted what Malone classified the Vistula Veneti as (also sorry for the little spelling mistake Indo-European not "Indi"), which is Germanic. I do this because in the end it's the same conclusion this video comes to and it would be too early in the video to talk about why Malone would classify the Veneti as Germanic. Hence to not confuse any people not familiar with the subject I omitted the Malone's Germanic argument at the start. 1:42 In Roman chronicles, 'near' and 'at' are two different markers. Near does not mean at the Baltic sea hence why I put the Veneti a bit south of the Baltic beaches. 1:50 I say clumsily because Roman writers rarely mention strait up geographical markers and cardinal directions. They usually start off with one Geographical marker and then continue on saying tribes that live next to it and than tribes that live next to those tribes, etc. This way it's sometimes hard to decipher where exactly some of these tribes where in relation to the starting geographical marker. 2:13 Sorry I am incapable of reading Sarmatians without adding an extra 'n' to it, "Sermantians". 3:22 Cassiodorus' work was in turn based upon an even earlier work by the Gothic historian Ablabius. 5:10 Work by Malalas has been lost and only a portion of it survives in a Theophanes rewriting. 5:45 I don't have the time nor care enough to talk about the MANY inaccuracies all these theories and others have. If you believe one of them just know that they have no bases in any Historical, Archaeological or Genealogical, research. 5:50 Not all Serbians believe this. I should have added that this is just a nationalistic theory, most Serbians are thought normal history in school. 6:44 They did this by trying to connect the Veneti to a Proto-Slavic tribe common to all modern Slavs. 7:06 Also a lot of other stuff we don't have time to get in to like stone furnaces with a specific size, storage pits with narrowed necks, etc. 7:15 Archaeological culture types also often overlap specially on their borders which you will see on the maps in this video. 8:50 Although not completely accurately. For example it's unknown how far north did the Marcomanic and Hermunduric control extend, also at the same time it's not completely specified where north of the Danube the Naristi where, they could have been a bit (although not by much) further up stream or down stream than where I have put them. But over all we are able to create a pretty accurate picture. 8:52 The blue tribes in today's Slovakia and Northern Romania are the remnants of Celtic tribes that invaded Pannonia during the Celtic invasion of the 4th century BCE. You can find out more in this video -ukposts.info/have/v-deo/iKmArmt8h2iazoU.html Those tribes at this point as you can see overlap with Dacian and Sarmatian tribes because they have been very much mixed with those populations. These Celts will eventually disappear during Hunnic invasion. 10:43 Chronologically my 5th point comes before the 4th point as attested by the dates in the top right corner and I apologize for the confusion, I noticed this too late to fix it. 12:44 Weilbark is the only culture type that seems to be just Germanic. 12:58 Russians mainly promoted Kiev or Chernyakhov during the USSR era when all the culture types where all still within one country. 13:40 Slavs called yew and willow the same thing which is why in the video I used the current Polish name for willow as an example. They also called spruce and larch the same thing. This is why today for example larch in Slovak is "smrek" while in Serbian spruce is "smrk" not larch. You'll see a lot of current Slavic languages use very similar names for trees but for different types of trees. This is because they usually all come from a single borrowed word that defined all the trees of that type (type usually just meant looking similar as back then there weren't scientific differentiations between different species of a similar trees). 14:23 These "Slavic" hill forts differ from previous fortification in their communal setup. Prior to the 5th century most forts resembled large Roman influence with distinguished social classes like masons, and farmers, etc. "Slavic" hill forts on the other hand, other than occurring much more frequently on hills than previous forts, have a much more fluid social order with very rarely distinguished hierarchies being found in the archaeological record. 14:45 It could also be remnants of Baltic tribe hill-forts just like the ones in Latvia. 16:02 The Teutonic order wasn't a tribe, a pour choice of an on screen example, I am sorry. 19:11 There are accounts of Slavic warriors being present at the Hunnic court meaning the Slavs managed to establish themselves during the Hunnic era, further supporting the emergence of the Prague type pottery cultures during this time. 19:19 Keep in the mind the Slavic Prague type pottery cultures weren't just Slavic. They most likely where majority Slavic but had a sizable heterogeneous minority. With the Prague type pottery cultures in southern Ukraine having Sarmatians and other steppe people influences the groups in Eastern Germany, Western Poland and Czechia having Germanic influences, etc. 19:54 The most recent common ancestor of any haplogroup is between 3000 to 5000 years ago. Which A. is a difference of 2000 years, that is a huge time scale just think of how much happened in just our last 2000 years. Trying to make ethnic migratory prediction off of that is impossible. B. That would put the most recent genetic changes we can track at the soonest 1000BCE at the collapse of the Bronze age. While the event we're trying to understand is the Migration period happening 1500 years later. So DNA really can't tell us about migratory movement that happened during the early middle ages. 21:07 It is debated whether the small axe pedant found in eastern Europe around the 10th to 12th centuries was only of Varangian (Scandinavian) origin or it was also used by Slavs. The practice of wearing a small weapon as a pedant definitely originated form Scandinavia (see Thor's hammer pedant) and was brought to the Slavs through the Varangian raids in to Eastern Europe. However considering that some axe pedants, also called Perun's axe (Perun was the Slavic deity of lightning a Slavic equivalent to Thor, who was often represented by an axe.) where found in areas where Scandinavians would be hard press to be like in Hungary, it is most likely this practice of wearing small weapon pedants to symbolize gods was adopted by the Slavs from the Scandinavians. www.academia.edu/4119225/Early_medieval_miniature_axes

Meanwhile in Polish schools: "One day Lech, Czech and Rus came to the forest, divided the lands, and that's how it began. Let's skip to 966 when we were Christianised by Mieszko."

lol Tacitus might as well had written on the Veneti: "They drink water, breathe air and eat food."

It's worth considering how Romans learned the names of distant tribes. Probably Procopius and Tacitus just interrogated slaves from Germania, who gave whatever name their own tribes used for them. A very similar thing occured in the Americas, where many tribes were named in Spanish and American ethnologies as "our hated enemies" in the language of whichever friendly tribe they happened to be speaking to. Ex: the Anasazi were a disappeared culture in the Southwest, and their name literally means "ancient enemy" in Navajo.

I have long been puzzled by the fact that slavic people just popped out of existence and just appeared suddenly. This video helped a lot in gaining an insight into the topic, thank you! Best wishes!

IIn Finnish, "Russia" is "venäjä" and Estonians call them "venemaa", don't know whetter this has anything to do with the venetti thing but seems at least to be quite a coincident-

The problem with mtDNA and Y-DNA is that they shows only small part of ancestry. Fortunately the rapid development of genetics has made it possible to study the entire genome, including for archaic DNA studies (studies of DNA people that died). So there will be plenty of new discoveries in near future, especially since research has become much cheaper than even 10 or 20 years ago (even up to two or three orders of magnitude)

Venetic literally means "foreigner" in the Romanian language

I'm hungarian and I really enjoyed your video! I hate so much that our (I mean us, people in Eastern-Europe) attitude towards history is full of politics and nationalism when we are rather similar than different. Thank you, I learnt a lot! 😊

It is good that there is someone who explores Eastern European history with objective scientific aproach and "nothing is black and white" attitude. People in Eastern Europe (even worse, a big part of the accademia) think in an outdated inacurate frame of thought from the 20th century and refuse to move on, beacause it's inconvinient. GOOD JOB!

Well, we the Serbs were first in the universe, then the Croats and then the amebas... After that we invented God and let him do the rest! That's a fact, I am suprised that some of you don't know that! Simple common knowlidge...

i hope you, every one of us, just realises that we are all brothers and that we should not fight, but we should unite and prosper greetings and blessings from Croatia thank you sir for your extensive historical work, helps much better than the school i'm afraid...

Finding well-researched videos about slavic history is so rare, thank you!!

Loved the vid and the fact you are diving into a topic facing a perfect storm of written record scarcity and political vendettas. Cheers from Russia. Thankfully, most... emotionally charged "historians" of my country are currently too busy discussing the Soviet and Imperial period to bother you, and I hope it stays that way for a long time.

The real question, which the answer to would clear everything up, is: did they squat?

Discovered this channel during the Project Pannonia and ever since that video you did on Hungary I have been hungrily devouring and awaiting for your next videos. You do an awesome job and I hope you blow up soon. It's awesome learning about the history of our Eastern European brothers (myself being a mix of Western and Northern European), as most of our European history is centred around the Mediterranean and the West. Many forget that our history is shared across the entire continent, which is just has interesting, violent and amazing, with untold number of mysteries yearning to be discovered!

You should really be bigger on UKposts. There’s very few history channels as in depth and interesting as yours.

Great video! Pozdrowienia z Polski! P.s. In Poland we read w as v, so it is "Vielbark culture" and "Przevorsk culture".

Amazing video and great graphic! I am a linguist in Leiden and we are right now working on a revisited Baltoslavic etymological dictionary and it's hard for a youtube video to have some new informations for me, but you managed to do it ;)

Thank you! Great work, I would love to hear some more!

The Peruns axe caught my attention. In Slovakia, there is a famous folk hero named Juraj Janosik . He was the leader of a band of highway robbers in the early 1700’s . In the same manner as Ronin Hood, he and his men would rob from rich travellers , keep most of the loot for themselves, but were reputed to help out the poor of that area .( the people in the area were particularly poor, most living in abject poverty ) . At only 25 years old, he was arrested , tried and executed in a particularly gruesome manner . ( hanged by the scapula from a hook ) He became a legend celebrated in folk songs, poetry, and folk art. In Slovakia and parts of Poland , he’s as famous as Robin Hood. He is always depicted carrying an axe called a Valeska , which looks the same as the Perun axe.

You get into such details it explains where the channel's name comes from :) Thank you for taking interest in Slavic origins..

Hello, I'm Czech-American and I really enjoy your videos! I just wonder about the naming of "Veneti" since it applies to different regions of Europe. If the meaning of the word "veneti" has something to do with water then it is understandable how ancient European traders would give this name to people (Vistula Veneti) living along the Vistula River and near the Baltic Sea. The river would be used by those people for trade connections with central Europe, and the Baltic and Scandinavian regions across the Baltic Sea. However, this "veneti" name is a foreign word applied by outsiders. It reminds me of how, in America, the name "Indians" was applied (by Europeans) to all the various tribes of Native Americans. Incidentally, my DNA has me at 4% from Baltic states and 90% Czech. Your video gives me new insight about my DNA from Baltic states! Perhaps some of my forefathers were Veneti traders!

I was once told that the term Veneti was a kind of Latin/early Romance catchall term to refer to peoples who lived around rivers/wetlands/marshes and who's proper name was unknown to the authors. Based on that the location given for the Veneti and or early Slavs would make sense given the numerous rivers in that area, which would also make sense for the area of Veneto and Brittany where the Gallic and Adriatic Veneti are located.

Super fascinating. Thanks for making this! I learned a lot today.

Thanks a lot for this great, competent summary of the Slavic-Venetic puzzle!

It is nice to see a Slav who is no stranger to objectivity and common sense. I’m Pole myself and this whole nationalistic-turboslavic shit is making me oikophobic, even though I’ve been concerning myself something of patriot for most of my life

Great video! The Polish word for Germans roughly translates to 'non-speakers', also 'hairy-ones' for Italians. It seems they all just called each other the first thing that came to mind.

I really enjoy your videos. I dont konw many History Channels that go so much into detail. So keep up with your good work:)

Very interesting and educational video, thank you for taking time for creating such an amazing piece of work. Greeting from Slovakia !!

Wow! I actually understood all of that! Thanks for the great video!

I am very impressed with the granularity of your analysis of the early "great migrations." You have shined a light on a very misunderstood period in history. Bravo!

Thank you for mentioning the Lepenski vir theory, that i told you about in your last videos about Slavs. I shared this in a Quora space with a lot more people, this needs to be shared. EDIT: I beg you, do make a video about the Peruns Axe because it is something that has been... "bothering" me in a way, because i have no idea if this actually has some kind of a historical base or is it just a "historical forgery"..

Ok, so this is weird (and interesting). I very recently started a campaign in Total War: Attila as Venedi, just because someone pointed out to me that they have some interesting faction traits. After I started this campaign I haven't looked up any information about Slavic culture or history. Now, I've never seen any of your videos before, or your channel at all, and today this shows up in my Recommended videos. One begins to wonder to what degree google is spying on people and how invasive their methods are. I'm not really complaining, it's a good video, and I only noticed it because my Total War campaign is so fresh in my memory and thus the title caught my attention. I'm glad I watched this. Very informative and nuanced, the type of content that I enjoy the most. Keep up the good work!

Hope you have fixed the monetarisation problem. You have done a very good job. Thanks for it. You are uncovering such unknown topic for the western world!

This is amazingly well done and detailed, i was amazed and watched it many times.

Excellent. By immigration origins and DNA, I am 1/4 Polish and 1/4 Ukrainian. Although the met in the US, my grandparents' villages were only 100 miles apart and they spoke the same dialect. The Slavic community they settled in and lived their lives was so Slavic that my father who was born there always thought he was born in eastern Europe and would talk about the Old Country as if he had lived there into adult hood. I was not raised deep in the culture found the coal mining hills of West Penn, but my dad did raise us in the Slavic end of town. Between that, and visiting family, I did have a culture to point to. I have found common ground with many people from most of the Slavic countries. There certainly is some very broad geography and nationalities that indicate a Slavic commonality. They all recognize my name and will speak about it and ask questions. This video is the best so far with ancient and more recent history. I look forward to more.

Interesting video. I think the I.E. connection is the most likely reason for the shared name of the three tribes. The first attestation of 'Veneti' is actually in Homer, I believe, who says that the ἐνετοί inhabited Paphlagonia at the time of the Trojan war. The Trojan legacy has survived in the Veneto region in many forms to this day (e.g. the city of Padua is said to have been founded by Antenor). Linguistically, though, few linguists (outside Slovenian nationalist circles) would argue that ancient Veneto was a Slavic language.

Well, I'll put my 5 cents. First of all not only the germanic peoples called us "Winde" or "Wende". Finnish people did the same. And in finnish "russian" still pronounces as "Vene" and some common family names like "Venelainen" do definitely point to slavic ancestors. The second moment - it is not true, that slavs didn't name themselves "veneti/venti". We still know about a slavic tribe union called "Vyatich". The ending "-ich" commonly means descendancy or relationship, so the root is "vyat". And we definitely know, that diftongs like "ya" previously sounded like a nasal "en" in eastern slavic languages. Thus "vyatich" is absolutely equal to "ventich". And their descendants still live in a big region from Moscow to Voronezh.

Very nice maps and montage. Great work, thanks a lot.

I thought both the explanation and the graphical presentation was really well done! Subscribing

Just my silly thought, I am of (Italian) Venetian decent, my two best friends are of Polish decent, we are all Veneti

Also a bad Roman habit is calling a province by it's former/first inhabitants. For example in the 7# century nobody spoke Thracian, yet the province was still called Thrace even though the population was Slavic or Turkic-Bulgarian with some Aromanic (Romanian) mixed in. It's quite possible that by the late 5# and early 6# century the population of the area refered to as 'Venetia' was Slavic, while in the 1# century it could have been anything ranging from Germanic to Sarmatian all the way up to Slavic.

Really nice video! Thanks for keeping it factual!

This was very well done, and super informative! Thanks for being so even-handed and weighing different theories, and taking into account the historical context! Excellent!

in Romanian "venetic" is an old word meaning foreigner, somebody that came from another place. There is a village here called Venetia de Sus (Upper Venice), which makes one laugh...

Nobody also seems to mention how the area in Eastern Europe, where proto slavic/veneti/all the others lived is very connected with rivers, and trade existed between peoples in and outside of the area, before eny written record. Its also unreasnoble to think Slavs just sprung out of the earth in the middle of eastern europe, once Goths, Scythians and Huns left. They vouldnt really come from somewhere far away to the north east as they wouldnt possibly have enough numbers to settle and dominate such large porton of europe

It's always a good day when M Laser uploads

Yes we are just white European Mix of Slavic, Germanic, Gothic, Celtic etc . That includes most of Europe and all these languages and identities were created over time but in actuality we are one people , one nation and we should stand as one.

To this day, this remains one of the best videos on the topic! Thank You @M. Laser History!

Lovely, comprehensive, and precise video essay. A significant amount of improvement from your old Slavic video. I would love to see some stuff on the north sea Germanic tribes done in this same fashion! Keep up the great work!

Great video, very few history channels look at primary sources and even fewer at archaeological evidence!!!!

Love your stuff i pass on to my kids n grands .its so hard to go thru it all n have it make sense..awesome job.thank you n dont stop

Sir, its always a pleasure to watch your videos, i have one recommendation thou, i live in iran and unfortunately we have literally no book about our ancient nor medival eras. Or the ones we have are written by greeks or others. I know you have mentioned that the area you study about is mostly about slavs, but can we have a small summary of persia too? Thanks for great content

Nice use of Stand Still Stay Silent's Indo-European language tree. I've always really liked it.

Huge thanks! Anyone who’s into history has noticed the name Veneti on different areas of maps and wondered about it. You’re the first person I’ve heard acknowledge it and give a reason. The Indo-European root for ‘water’ makes a lot of sense.

What a fantastic video and marvellous piece of work. Big up and instant subscribe

And there is also a misterious tribe called Vendi from 13 century mentioned in Livonian chronicles as people who got expelled from their place near Ventspils (City at the estuary of the river Venta) and moved to live in a place near Riga and then moving to the place which became known as Venden (Wenden in German) which is a city of Cesis today in Latvia. When Latvia fought for it's independence, we had no known national regalia except the passage from these early chronicles that a local militia from Venden joined the war used a red flag with a white stripe. Up to this day we have no idea who are the these Vendi people. A DNA sequencing could give us a lot of answers, should we ever find a grave that could be identified with Vendi people. Just found in a source that says that Gulf Riga had a name Sinus Veneticus in ancient documents. Although I can't verify it yet. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vends_(Livonia)

You sir are a amazing historian and i absulutely loved every piece of info in this video, thanks.

Great video. Loved it. It must have been tremendous ammoumt of work. I just wanted to ask you where do you get your sources and do you have a history degree? I wish you had the attention you deserve. ♥️

Thank you for covering this confusing and mysterious theory in such length

Your content is so good. I like the nuances and you summarize really well. From a french canadian, learning about slavic history is super intersting since it is so rare to find content about that.

"or how we know that some Slavs were at the Hunnic Court...." Now that would be very interesting considering my name and I am 75% Slavic, please make a video on that subject!

Nice video like other ones. Hope to see some video about Baltics at one point, and better sooner than later.

Great video - congrats and respect for it! :)

I think I liked the Style of this Video more than any other I have Seen dealing with the Origins of Slaws.

Not many of even professional academics are so precise in anyalysis, carefull in examination of multiple sides of the subject and yet still giving space to "common historical sense". Best videe on the subject I've ever seen, better than half of the books I've red. Respect and immediate sub.

Increadible video! Thank you so much!

Amazing video, it looks like you you put a lot of great effort to make it, good job

What is your opinion on macedonians saying they are ancient macedonians I as a macedonian belive that we are slavic not ancient greek. Although I dont agree with the name change because we live in a region called macedonia.

This is definitely the best explanation of the origins of the slavs I've seen. Comprehensive, yet not documentary length. Thanks!

We're actually secretly aliens from planet Slavia. You didn't hear that from me though. 🖖🏻👽

There's a river in Lithuania that is called "Venta". I wonder if that has anything to do with "Veneti".

Can you imagine what other ancient scholars were out there, -whose works are lost to us. I'm hoping our modern era can discover other written sources.

@M. Laser History You are a legend! Finally a video that goes in details including archaeology, linguistics and historical sources all combined to present us with a full picture of the events and our knowledge of them (as full as it gets in a 20min video). We would love to see more peculiar details you mentioned at the end in a future video.

Thank you for the video. I had no idea there were 3 veneti tribes mentioned living far away from each other.

This was a fascinating and very helpful video

very interesting video about slavs, very informative, i wish you could do the same on origins of romanians.

the balkan slavs tried so hard in the early 90's to prove that they were here before God, and that they are the oldest and wisest on the planet, that they even went to war with each other. Anyway, that is all non sence and bullshit, we are all humans, and we should all treat each other eaquily

interesting, thanks for good content, bard song was nice touch

Great video! Thank you for it.

This video started by clearing up my confusion about why there seemed to be multiple Veneti--and then it just kept getting better! Thank you so much for this very informative video about what we do and do not know!

It's ironic that German nationalist called Slavic people inferior asian race, because on western front in WW1 they were called the Huns :)

I think Veneti was originally a generic term for “wanderers”, eg. tribes without well settled cities. The same word was etymologically related to Vandals (Germanic people) and Wends (Slavic people). So Veneti was a generic descriptor from these tribes’ lifestyle, and Sclaveni and Antes were more specific tribal names that became known later.

Hey M. Laser! I'm working on my master thesis, could you please tell me the exact sources about Rostafinski and Trubachev? Thank you

Do you know if there are serious theories that Thor/Perun are the "same" god and that the ax/hammer symbol might be derived from a common ancestor? Or is it more likely that they're both standard Indo-European thunder gods and any other similarities are a result of lateral cross-pollination?

Most "Serbs" who claim that the Serbian nation is ancient and comes from Lepenski Vir are actually not Serbian but of obscure middle eastern, possibly Turkish or Roma origin, look at, for example, Aleksandar Šargić

Quality. Please keep it up. I’m subscribing. Gratitude

Great video! Very informative. I had an impression that the earliest certain location of Slavs was south Poland/ Silesia, but I'm not sure what that understanding was based on. It may have been an outdated theory.

Nice one! 🙂 Greetings from Gdańsk bay/Vistula delta/Venetia. 😀

Do a video on the Volga-Kama-Oka region. (Burtas, Moksha, Erzya, Mari, Bolgars, Sabirs, Udmurts, Komi, Magyars and Bashkirs)

Great job seriously! Very informative! Thank you!

Meanwile in the Ex Venice Republic lands ."We've been trying to tell you since ages that we kinda feel somehow , well...a bit foreign to Italy. Can we go now? pretty please? "

My mother's name is Veneta! There are many women in the Slavic world with that name. I know two other women from my mother's village with that name. A village in Serbia. All have lighter hair color and almost gray eye color with a slight hint of turquoise.

Finally a good introductory overview of the Slavic history.

Great work.Keep going!

"Does it even matter vole?" is fucking great :D

Wow! Very impressive study!

Great video! Thanks!

One the best videos about early slavs origin!