The Snapdragon 865 is faster than the Apple A13 (sometimes)

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Qualcomm launched the Snapdragon 865 in early December 2019, and soon after its launch, it allowed some folks to test out the 865's performance using a Qualcomm Reference Device (QRD). Here is what we found out.
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@raycon921
@raycon921 4 роки тому
Gary, one question: does the OS make a difference on the results. Does Geekbench or SpeedtestG written for android calculates the score in a different way than the ones written for IOS?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
I can't comment about Geekbench or AnTuTu. But Speed Test GX is written so that the results are directly comparable and all the calculations are identical. As much as is technically possible.
@Cocxy69
@Cocxy69 4 роки тому
I don't think os matters with speed test G But os does matter with normal apps speed test
@raycon921
@raycon921 4 роки тому
@@GaryExplains Thanks Gary, so is it safe to say that the OS is not a big variable in a comparison like this?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
The OS will always be a variable. For example when the app needs some memory, it has to ask the OS for that memory. But it is as small a variable as technically possible. I don't have numbers, but I would guess less than 3%. That could be in favor of one OS or the other, don't assume Android > iOS or vice versa.
@Teluric2
@Teluric2 4 роки тому
Its very stupid and ignorant how people brags about A13 because you cant test the chip in both OS..and real life test like filmora show a diffrent story
@esam7461
@esam7461 4 роки тому
Gary: Did you watch it? Me: No. Gary: Great!!
@blxccshinra9456
@blxccshinra9456 4 роки тому
Esam Alzahrani lmfaoo
@Trowo
@Trowo 4 роки тому
😭😂
@raonaveen90
@raonaveen90 4 роки тому
Also qualcomm will provide gpu driver support for sd 865, So there is room for improvement in future.
@nabinkumarbiswas4182
@nabinkumarbiswas4182 4 роки тому
There will be specific GPU driver updates for SD 865 like play store app update It is officially confirmed
@wanmaziahahmad151
@wanmaziahahmad151 4 роки тому
@@nabinkumarbiswas4182 yeah is official can't wait to get it.. even sd 765g can also update their gpu driver because they has elite gaming and the elite gaming provide the features something we call updateable gpu.. this could be major upgrade even though from sd 855 for those who are feel their the gamers
@nabinkumarbiswas4182
@nabinkumarbiswas4182 4 роки тому
@@wanmaziahahmad151 yeah same for SD 765g . This is really ELITE GAMING for first time in mobile
@wanmaziahahmad151
@wanmaziahahmad151 4 роки тому
@@nabinkumarbiswas4182 yes true 👍
@DenGuleBalje
@DenGuleBalje 4 роки тому
@@adityanair6021 Yes, but the great thing about the upcoming Qualcomm SoCs is that you can get GPU driver updates without having to wait for the vendor to release an OTA update.
@mizoalmasri3022
@mizoalmasri3022 4 роки тому
Hello Gary don't you think Samsung is deceitful when they sell Europe the exynos version knowing that european market is actually more expensive than us market and they do not mention that the exynos is the weaker option and anyhow it has lower graphic performance? They are actually different in every way battery, performance, camera photo and video processing and so on.
@srishtibhardwaj3417
@srishtibhardwaj3417 4 роки тому
This is a huge improvement when compared to last year's flagship 855.
@nakulsharma9769
@nakulsharma9769 4 роки тому
Right
@nakulsharma7326
@nakulsharma7326 4 роки тому
Yes
@srishtibhardwaj3417
@srishtibhardwaj3417 4 роки тому
@_ David _ but with 120hz refresh rates in upcoming flagships ( rumoured in Galaxy S11+ ) will make a huge difference
@borasiman648
@borasiman648 4 роки тому
And you are beautiful
@srishtibhardwaj3417
@srishtibhardwaj3417 4 роки тому
@Dex4Sure Super fast chargere are available. Don't worry. Cheeres
@kristinafraxx5808
@kristinafraxx5808 4 роки тому
Thx for the wakeup surprise Gary!! Your the best!!😘😘😘
@clickbaitpro
@clickbaitpro 4 роки тому
Absolutely
@1MarkKeller
@1MarkKeller 4 роки тому
The Professor stays on top of his game!
@kristinafraxx5808
@kristinafraxx5808 4 роки тому
@@1MarkKeller This time the 865 did😁
@1MarkKeller
@1MarkKeller 4 роки тому
@@kristinafraxx5808 Facts!
@7102186
@7102186 4 роки тому
Add to that a lpddr5 it should raise the speed by a bit
@namkhanhng1802
@namkhanhng1802 4 роки тому
Can you explain the differences between A12X (iPad Pro), A13 and Snapdragon 855 and 865?
@vernearase3044
@vernearase3044 4 роки тому
The most important performance metric is the single core speed, as most processor intensive tasks can't be parallelized. It's pretty rare to have a situation where you light up all the engines, which is why Apple only uses six cores and why Qualcomm and others provide eight. Upping your single core speed is really hard and expensive, whereas upping your multicore speed is pretty cheap (just add cores and/or bump their clock speeds). Apple's chip designers were always about performance, and Qualcomm and Samsung were always about specs. The real question is: how does this affect energy consumption and heat, and how long can you keep those cores lit before your SoC starts to slag down? In the past, Android phones were always larger because they needed to have a bigger battery, and as long as the battery had to be bigger why not cover it with a bigger display (which, of course, required an even bigger battery). The A13's main objective was to reduce energy consumption, and they did this by adding hundreds of voltage domains throughout the SoC, turning off parts of the chip which weren't in use. Apple achieved class leading battery life by increasing the battery size - no more thinner and lighter, Jony - and by making the A13 more power efficient (and by abandoning the idea of inductive charging). I've always held that 5G was stridently working to solve a problem no one has - I find LTE Advanced sufficiently fast to stream 1080p video - and that Qualcomm and the carriers were just pushing it to sell chipsets and up service plan costs. Long wave 5G is a bit more promising - mm wave is simply ridiculous - but even then, what is the problem they're trying to solve? I suppose you can talk about pushing 2160p, but seriously - on a phone you can't even _see_ 4K unless you're using a jeweler's loupe. Maybe on a tablet or laptop, but even then you pretty much have to have your eyeballs pressed against the screen. And really, a 4K data stream is only about twice as big as a 1080p stream, so that too falls comfortably within LTE Advanced's purview. The only thing you can't comfortably do is pre-buffered timeline scrolling, and that's a really high price - both data bandwidth and price-wise - to pay for that one little feature.
@ibrar1001
@ibrar1001 4 роки тому
Just tell me why a 5000mah android phone with 2 days battery life(better than 11 pro is not heavier than 11 pro even the battery is bigger in android device
@Y-J65
@Y-J65 4 роки тому
ibrar Adil I get over two days on my iPhone 11 Pro Max with a much smaller battery. It’s called optimisation. The iPhone feels like a premium handset whilst most android handsets feel cheap.
@david88762
@david88762 4 роки тому
ibrar Adil the iphone is heavier becouse it is made from stainless steal which is heavier than aluminium
@jitubhaishah9141
@jitubhaishah9141 3 роки тому
apple still provides 720p screens on a 1000$ phone whereas samsung provides 1080p displays at less than 200$, that too super amoled screens, which are way better than the ips lcd used on iphones
@HakimJamil94
@HakimJamil94 3 роки тому
@@jitubhaishah9141 I use Android, but I still prefer IPS LCD over AMOLED any day, especially when my little nephews and nieces complain about AMOLED's painful screen even at lowest brightness.
@OrangeRock
@OrangeRock 4 роки тому
I honestly wasn't expecting 865 to be this big of an upgrade over 855. I just bought a 855+ device like a month ago..
@isaacchan351
@isaacchan351 4 роки тому
That's a little bit sad😂😂😂
@ShibaScience
@ShibaScience 4 роки тому
I mean 855 can run cod mobile with all the graphics maxed 60 fps so ur still good
@Urbexx99
@Urbexx99 4 роки тому
As always every explanation video is a pleasure to see, i just watched the Speed test and is a really leap. They are finally pushing foward the Snapdragon! We need to see the imagination too! Thanks for share!
@Cypheros
@Cypheros 4 роки тому
This title gets me hyped af
@zookt3478
@zookt3478 4 роки тому
SD always have better GPU performance, and thats where it counts, cpus are just a matter of more headroom and less headroom
@henryijeoma
@henryijeoma 4 роки тому
@@zookt3478 Snapdragon doesn't have a better GPU that Apple's. Watch the Speed test G video
@zookt3478
@zookt3478 4 роки тому
@@henryijeoma it does, since 845, but the ipad pro has better ones because better battery and thermal performance
@7102186
@7102186 4 роки тому
Lol add one more thing in comparison to apple UFS 3.0
@TheSonyExperience
@TheSonyExperience 4 роки тому
Zook T nahh bro your wrong. The A13 is better than the 855 plus in graphics. I don’t think you know anything. Your bring up the iPad. But the iPad uses the A12x which is not used in an iPhone. Apples graphics are optimized because they use metal 2.
@vyshnav
@vyshnav 4 роки тому
Any early predictions on how the Mediatek Dimensity 1000 will compare?
@Ferdinand208
@Ferdinand208 4 роки тому
865 uses arm a77. Mediatek will also uses a77.
@tjl2836
@tjl2836 4 роки тому
It'll be much cheaper
@Anonnonon
@Anonnonon 4 роки тому
Then Apple announces the A14, the cat and mouse game starts over again.
@doomdesire3460
@doomdesire3460 3 роки тому
S875 and A14 have same architecture (5nm)
@ZynthWaves
@ZynthWaves 3 роки тому
@@doomdesire3460 5nm isnt a architeure its a manufacturing process
@timothybaxter9993
@timothybaxter9993 4 роки тому
Will you test the Apple A12X?
@sdqsdq6274
@sdqsdq6274 4 роки тому
Not sure what android phone is that,does result vary with phone manufacturers?
@hermanstokbrood
@hermanstokbrood 4 роки тому
I'm sure there will be some manufacturers pushing higher numbers after optimization.
@rofernfernandes7094
@rofernfernandes7094 4 роки тому
Hope the phone manufacturers will optimize this chip to get maximum speed and efficiency.
@___Amal_
@___Amal_ 4 роки тому
The OEM's put better thermal management for sustained performance
@abhinavkumarsarkar
@abhinavkumarsarkar 4 роки тому
Believe on Samsung.
@GyroO7
@GyroO7 4 роки тому
Especially one plus they're known for refining the cpu...
@wanmaziahahmad151
@wanmaziahahmad151 4 роки тому
@Sky Watcher yes at this time one plus only has the better os optimisation balance for hardware and software other phone like xioami,oppo,vivo, etc meh they are not queit good as one plus.. but is still good phone they are not too bad.. just not as good one plus.. just keep it in mind one plus OS is based on stock android device and it's different from other one
@nasseralsharif
@nasseralsharif 4 роки тому
I think Asus will do that!
@KochaSapam
@KochaSapam 4 роки тому
IMHO, the Unity renderers in iOS and Android are different. Also, can you clarify what APIs are being used? Metal? GLES? Vulkan??? Thanks for this video!
@Dortolevi
@Dortolevi 4 роки тому
What about 855plus ? What is the difference between 865 and 855plus
@mr.anonymous3103
@mr.anonymous3103 4 роки тому
Also, a multicore apple is still ahead. Even though the scores are close, the snapdragon processor has 8 cores when compared to 6.
@doomdesire3460
@doomdesire3460 3 роки тому
Now let's talk about the difference in gpu power
@skyhero1888
@skyhero1888 3 роки тому
Letzt talk About Snapdragon 865 vs A12Z ( Apple Eightcore )
@nileshkumarvaishnav9550
@nileshkumarvaishnav9550 3 роки тому
@@skyhero1888 You can't. Apple cant put eight of those bigger cores into a small smartphone. They can do it only in iPad/Mac. So it is a like-to-like comparison when we talk about SD865 vs A13.
@skyhero1888
@skyhero1888 3 роки тому
@@nileshkumarvaishnav9550 Oh okay Most people think the A13 and A14 are better then the A12Z but this is not true.
@nileshkumarvaishnav9550
@nileshkumarvaishnav9550 3 роки тому
@@skyhero1888 A12Z is certainly more powerful than A13. There is a reason why iPad Pro is has highest Antutu score for all iOS devices so far.
@shanansagar
@shanansagar 4 роки тому
I hope qualcomm keeps up the pace with the A series chips 😂
@wanmaziahahmad151
@wanmaziahahmad151 4 роки тому
Yes he can why not lol
@amanagarwal1939
@amanagarwal1939 4 роки тому
Wan Maziah Ahmad he?
@SwipeSide19
@SwipeSide19 4 роки тому
@@wanmaziahahmad151 because they haven't been?
@anthonybrazzle
@anthonybrazzle 4 роки тому
Why is there such a burning desire for them to do so? Its not like their chips are shitty simply because they aren't as powerful as Apple's.
@anthonybrazzle
@anthonybrazzle 4 роки тому
@Rex I know that, I wasn't making a comparison, I'm just trying to figure out why there's such a need for a Qualcomm chip to be an Apple series chip. They're both powerful asf, so is there really a need for this back and forth about how one overpowers another?
@15muhd.sazalibinmuhd.julka95
@15muhd.sazalibinmuhd.julka95 4 роки тому
Kirin vs qualcomm?
@naresh1024
@naresh1024 4 роки тому
Is it a leak saying Google is gonna cancel its pixel lineup?
@VIadaBGD
@VIadaBGD 4 роки тому
Geekbench 4: Snapdragon 865 (8 cores) Single core: 4300 Multicore: 13300 Apple A13: (6 cores) Single core: 5400 Multicore: 13700 Considering it has 2 less cores and even with those 2 less cores has higher multicore score, we can easily say it wipes the floor with it. Last year tech wipes the floor with this year tech. Just like you said in some video of yours, apples cpu is still 2 generations ahead of any android cpu atm...
@doomdesire3460
@doomdesire3460 3 роки тому
Look at the difference in gpu power
@akshitkubadia9249
@akshitkubadia9249 3 роки тому
It was just on a reference device oneplus device scores would be even better
@Ayaan13550
@Ayaan13550 3 роки тому
idk which is better
@bingliu2932
@bingliu2932 4 роки тому
In Geekbench 5 test, the A13 chip shows about 40% faster than the incoming SD865 in single thread performance. This is most people should care about. Those 8-core performance is for some professionals who have to do their heavy jobs on a phone and can't get any developer make a GPU accelerated APP for them.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
No, not really, Speed Test G shows that multi-core performance is just as important.
@wanmaziahahmad151
@wanmaziahahmad151 4 роки тому
Lost to sd with antutu score lol
@bingliu2932
@bingliu2932 4 роки тому
​@@GaryExplains In my opinion, Speed Test G tries to simulate real world usage but doesn't do it well. In what situation people need to run a 16-thread task with 100% CPU load? And if there is one, would it really cost about 25% of the real word usage cpu time for average people every day as simulated?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
And Geekbench is better how?
@tizojiyane7350
@tizojiyane7350 4 роки тому
@@GaryExplains I don't think you should even be responding... Let us respond for you coz these ppl are just being salty
@mab3667
@mab3667 4 роки тому
What about a12x vs sd865?
@firosiam7786
@firosiam7786 4 роки тому
How well will dimensity 1000 fare against the 865??
@sichiweza9152
@sichiweza9152 4 роки тому
Remember when 80000 on Antutu was considered Superfast a couple years ago?
@zargoyx7567
@zargoyx7567 3 роки тому
The scores inflated. Back then a SD845 had a score of ~250k. Now a SD845 on Antutu 8 has 330k+.
@user-nd4ip1xv5m
@user-nd4ip1xv5m 4 роки тому
The 865 has 8 CPU cores, while the A13 only has 6. This is worth mentioning in the multi core geek bench score.
@sdqsdq6274
@sdqsdq6274 4 роки тому
Lol,whatever.....
@___Amal_
@___Amal_ 4 роки тому
The A13 has 8.5Billion transistors
@___Amal_
@___Amal_ 4 роки тому
@@arkethel I'm telling a fact and you don't have any right to control me. Don't act like a diehard sheep
@kunalpradhan6166
@kunalpradhan6166 4 роки тому
@@___Amal_this means bull shit if you dont mention the sd 865's numbers too.
@abhidahiya4007
@abhidahiya4007 4 роки тому
How does that matter? Apple uses lesser but bigger cores. While Qualcomm uses more but smaller cores. End result is that overall performance of both the chipsets is equal.
@techtody2607
@techtody2607 4 роки тому
If you have an Samsung s10 + 855 is it worth going to the s20 due to the large gain of the 865 chip. the s20s sound like they will be pretty expensive
@aadityasonwane7067
@aadityasonwane7067 4 роки тому
Why do you have two different channels sir I confused you with yourself haha... Sorry!!! Can u suggest me which one to buy iphone 11 or iphone Xs?
@collinmichael2104
@collinmichael2104 4 роки тому
this is great, but what's with all the discussion that the 865 is going to perform worse than even the 855 due to the non-integrated 4G/5G modem? I don't know a whole lot about how this stuff works, just wondering why this shows the chip as much improved, but some articles are saying it's a step backward in some ways
@abhidahiya4007
@abhidahiya4007 4 роки тому
That modem thing can cause issue with battery life. Won't affect performance though. That is why all manufacturers are increasing battery sizes considerably on next year 5G phones to compensate for extra battery consumed by 5G modems.
@coffee-vz1nr
@coffee-vz1nr 4 роки тому
Apple already uses a separate modem and there is no battery drain. I doubt there would be much of a difference in battery drain especially if apple uses the same 5g modem from Qualcomm
@abhidahiya4007
@abhidahiya4007 4 роки тому
@@coffee-vz1nr More than a separate modem, issue is of a separate 5G modem. That's why even this year, all 5G models had bigger battery and bigger size to compensate for extra battery drain
@coffee-vz1nr
@coffee-vz1nr 4 роки тому
@@abhidahiya4007 The main issues with the 855/X50 are that there are two modems, and the 5G chipset is rather large. The 865/X55 is a much tighter package and there is only one modem (so little to no penalty, and even potential design benefits). Again, Apple uses this design and it wouldn't surprise me if they had some influence on the current iteration.
@keco185
@keco185 4 роки тому
I think Apple focused mostly on neural net performance and energy efficiency with the A13. Probably because people keep saying that performance doesn’t matter as much anymore on phones.
@justintrella9820
@justintrella9820 4 роки тому
keco185 it really does not matter much anymore. A SD 845 and an A11 don’t choke even with today’s applications.
@known3617
@known3617 4 роки тому
Justin Trella I mean they do there are games that still chug at the latest processors but the number is pretty low
@Yuki-zz8hz
@Yuki-zz8hz 4 роки тому
Man people out here really care about which phone is faster by a few seconds. Idfc if an iphone loads 1 second faster
@mab3667
@mab3667 4 роки тому
Justin Trella hell even a10 is still good
@jem-yd6yq
@jem-yd6yq 4 роки тому
@@mab3667 true
@DallasCowboys100
@DallasCowboys100 4 роки тому
What is the name of speed test program you are using
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
Try garyexplains.com/faq
@DallasCowboys100
@DallasCowboys100 4 роки тому
Their nothing on there were I could download to my phone No link
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
Did you read it?
@DallasCowboys100
@DallasCowboys100 4 роки тому
Yes you can't download program
@anupamjain3152
@anupamjain3152 4 роки тому
Gary, nice update. What real world implications of this? Does this mean that performance (overall) gap between Android flagship devices and iPhone (flagship) narrows? Is it due to jump from Snapdragon or simply because both Apple and Snapdragon are nearing the end of the performance envelope of what's possible with today's technology limitations?
@amanagarwal1939
@amanagarwal1939 4 роки тому
It’s mainly because the new snapdragon 865 has a separate modem which helps in providing more space for the CPU and GPU. The only negative from this is that these chips now will cost a lot more than 855. I really hope manufacturers don’t jack up the prices.
@ItsNilou418
@ItsNilou418 4 роки тому
Qualquam actually nailed it
@ramandeepsingh6639
@ramandeepsingh6639 4 роки тому
Yeah, but Snapdragon 865 would be very very costly and meant only for flagships.
@private679r.i.c.o4
@private679r.i.c.o4 4 роки тому
@@ramandeepsingh6639 Obviously, did you expect it for mid range phones?
@neilgaming2127
@neilgaming2127 4 роки тому
Sd855 already beast tho
@ramandeepsingh6639
@ramandeepsingh6639 4 роки тому
@@private679r.i.c.o4 No, but it would double the cost of Dimensity 1000 chipset and thus MediaTek might win the 5G race.
@vishwaau4268
@vishwaau4268 4 роки тому
@@ramandeepsingh6639 Mid range 765 or 765G. Performs like SD845. Qualcomm provides good things for all budget sections.
@rrektless
@rrektless 4 роки тому
My expectation of *kinda late* 2020: Snapdragon 865+
@soraaoixxthebluesky
@soraaoixxthebluesky 4 роки тому
Dwikky Yudha I want SD866 not just a higher bin 865
@wanmaziahahmad151
@wanmaziahahmad151 4 роки тому
Too late for 2020 because 875 will be worthy and huge upgrade..
@user-Void-Star
@user-Void-Star 4 роки тому
I will wait snapdragon 905
@utubekullanicisi
@utubekullanicisi 4 роки тому
By then the there will be 1-2 month left for the A14 chip to come out, which will probably be the world’s first 5nm chip
@kambrar001
@kambrar001 4 роки тому
@@utubekullanicisi no thats the latest kirin chipset which will beat sd 865 and a13 when it is launched. I dnt want it to but it gonna.
@Tigerex966
@Tigerex966 4 роки тому
The amount of ram is sometimes more important than the cpu speed, as you do not want to starve it or force reloads, or using storage as a scratch disk.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
Sometimes, but not often. I have a whole video about that on the Android Authority channel. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/cZ2cpqqOnmqUlHk.html
@JoelJosephReji
@JoelJosephReji 4 роки тому
Hey, can you do a review of Pinephone and/or Purism phone when they are available?
@lilianamessi
@lilianamessi 4 роки тому
hi Professor!!!
@TheDjGondrez
@TheDjGondrez 4 роки тому
The Snapdragon 865 is also the one you should compare to the A13, because the snapdragon 855 is a chip from a year ago, mobile manufacturers have to wait for producing their phones with the chip, while apple can instantly release their phones with their latest chip.
@neilgaming2127
@neilgaming2127 4 роки тому
Thats why ppl love qualcomm. Work hard to achieve your dreams.
@yeager825
@yeager825 4 роки тому
No its snapdragon 855+ that should be compared with a13 not 865, if u want to compare 865 then compare it with a12 x A12x is the most powerful cheapset ever produced
@TheDjGondrez
@TheDjGondrez 4 роки тому
@@yeager825 855+ is just an overclocked 855
@yeager825
@yeager825 4 роки тому
@@TheDjGondrez 865 is 2020 processor and the next processor sd will release will be in 3rd quarter of 2020 till then apple will release its a14
@yeager825
@yeager825 4 роки тому
@@TheDjGondrez and apple a13 beats sd865 in gpu as well as sing core part the only sd processor which was able to compete a bit with apple a series processor and those 865 processesor are not even officially on phones they r all just numbers yet
@MuszZico
@MuszZico 4 роки тому
It run in their preference device..what about other company device?will it be any difference?
@LexeLite
@LexeLite 4 роки тому
Normally, One Plus can optimised it better (being the fastest phone), but in Speedtest G history, Samsung device will be faster.
@Toyeboy89
@Toyeboy89 4 роки тому
Gary what do you think about Anandtech's numbers? They really focus on SPEC2006 and it really paints a different picture putting SD865 more on par with A11 level? I'm guessing it must be more single core intensive? www.anandtech.com/show/15207/the-snapdragon-865-performance-preview-setting-the-stage-for-flagship-android-2020/2
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
SPEC is single-core intensive and as I said Apple is ahead in single threaded. But at a system-level (real world) level multi-threaded is also important. Obsessing over the details of single-core performance doesn't give you the big picture.
@Toyeboy89
@Toyeboy89 4 роки тому
Gary Explains thanks I see by your test its clear SEPC2006 isn't showing real world speed! I was disappointed after reading their article but your test made me more excited for the SD865!
@magicmonkeydust2891
@magicmonkeydust2891 4 роки тому
Gary has an excellent, and far more realistic results from the test Gary uses. When using an app to determine how many cores my phone uses and there clock speed. I have noticed that my phone never seems to use a single core. It might use four core or eight cores. And yes the clock speed varies on the workload... But I have yet to use an app that actually will only use a single core... And by knowing just how important that principle is. Will help one discover just what it really means when both the A13 and 865 will be using most of there cores consistently or if not all of them. And that multicore score is absolutely critical and essential. A big thank you to Gary. A man that has succeeded in helping android users and Apple users actually understand more about there SoC's in truth and realism as opposed to marketing propaganda and abstract and unrealistic bench mark tests. Well done Gary. Stay encouraged. Your on a winner here.
@Toyeboy89
@Toyeboy89 4 роки тому
Magic Monkey Dust I still wish Qualcomm could get a little better single core performance but it was a decent jump this year.
@franklingoodwin
@franklingoodwin 4 роки тому
Here before fellow classmate Mark Keller 😄
@Enforcedcraft
@Enforcedcraft 4 роки тому
Yeaaa
@1MarkKeller
@1MarkKeller 4 роки тому
*Franklingoodwin!*
@1MarkKeller
@1MarkKeller 4 роки тому
@@Enforcedcraft *En Force!*
@spideyverge6206
@spideyverge6206 4 роки тому
Good thing i havn't bought a new phone this year
@chandrasekhar01
@chandrasekhar01 4 роки тому
B in H
@drinkwoter
@drinkwoter 4 роки тому
me too, was saving for a 855 ,then i thought i should wait for 855+ now this comes out, two flagship processor in a year is not good for sales😁
@qubex
@qubex 4 роки тому
When will somebody make an SBC with one of these chips (or an 8cx for that matter)? We really need ARM hardware out there on the desktop.
@nimrodlevy
@nimrodlevy 4 роки тому
have qc finally bumped up caches on the sp865? i think this is the main reason why a13 blowscurrent sd out of the water... im not sure...
@leandsz693
@leandsz693 4 роки тому
Its just 4mb of l3 cache still half of what Apple uses
@jaj18
@jaj18 4 роки тому
They added twice the amount of L3 & greatly improved latency.
@1MarkKeller
@1MarkKeller 4 роки тому
*GARY!!!* Wait for it ... wait for it ... *Good Morning Professor!* *Good Morning Fellow Classmates!*
@PrabhjotSingh-lk4vq
@PrabhjotSingh-lk4vq 4 роки тому
*Mark* !!!
@1MarkKeller
@1MarkKeller 4 роки тому
@@PrabhjotSingh-lk4vq *Prabhjot Singh!*
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
MARK!!!
@fallencolossi
@fallencolossi 4 роки тому
hopefully Qualcomm can pull a stunt in Apple just like AMD did on Intel 😂😂🤣🤣
@antwnhs4470
@antwnhs4470 4 роки тому
Gary One plus 8 pro or Samsung galaxy S11 plus will win the speed test with the Snapdragon 865 vs A13 Bionic? And please try this test again with less pixels on reference 865 device to see if the adreno gpu is better than A series Gpu please answer Gary 🤗
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
I don't have access to the QRD any more. It was only available for a short time during the Qualcomm event. We will need to wait now until real devices are launched.
@antwnhs4470
@antwnhs4470 4 роки тому
@@GaryExplains ok thanks Gary
@antwnhs4470
@antwnhs4470 4 роки тому
When real Devices Launched can Snapdragon 865 win the speed test g vs A13 Bionic what you think? Me I think yes
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
For sure.
@antwnhs4470
@antwnhs4470 4 роки тому
@@GaryExplains you think will beat the iPhone 11 pro max?
@bradhaines3142
@bradhaines3142 4 роки тому
my sd 845 still has yet to really slow down from anything. maybe in a few generations I'll see something worth replacing this for
@Smile-el5yy
@Smile-el5yy 4 роки тому
Exynos vs 865 is more concerning now
@darshan5726
@darshan5726 4 роки тому
Samsungs mangoose m5 will be faster than arm cortex a77 so exynos should be faster on cpu score not sure about gpu tho
@wanmaziahahmad151
@wanmaziahahmad151 4 роки тому
@@darshan5726 yes faster on cpu score but only in single core performance not on multicore because exynos 990 use cortex a76 at the middle core so the multicore score is the lower i guess 🧐
@Isaacminer1
@Isaacminer1 4 роки тому
Not a bad chip, they need to improve single core preformance
@wanmaziahahmad151
@wanmaziahahmad151 4 роки тому
Custom core cpu first at least will be on par with apple i am not saying same exactly but nearly the same as what we found in Apple chip A Siries
@fernandofonseca2033
@fernandofonseca2033 4 роки тому
It's obvious why single Core is higher on iPhone since it's a six-core processor, then those 6 Core must deliver the same performance as SD 8core. They are similar on the multicore scores then. Of course the approach of 6 vs 8 is questionable because some apps don't benefit from high core counts while sometimes more cores is better on multitasking but when it comes to RAW power, they are virtually same as powerful with some advantage to gpu performance on A13 (so far).
@tjl2836
@tjl2836 4 роки тому
No, chips are good. What we really need is better software optimization
@wanmaziahahmad151
@wanmaziahahmad151 4 роки тому
@@tjl2836 yes but he say need to improve single core performance that why i say to thim Custom Cpu Core first , when it come to single core performance if qualcomm had to want improve their single core and then put it little bit of cache on lvl L2 cache
@Isaacminer1
@Isaacminer1 4 роки тому
@@tjl2836 its been so many years and nobody has bothered to do so, single core speed is still pretty important until more cores are used.
@jamesleetrigg
@jamesleetrigg 4 роки тому
Very interesting but isn’t power efficiency the more important? part could you do a video on that comparing them?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
Efficiency is important, but I don't know if it is MORE important. If efficiency was the most important then everyone would be using Snapdragon 700 or 600 series processors.
@noshabanawaz7036
@noshabanawaz7036 4 роки тому
What if the a14 is an 8 core chip.
@freeaudiobooks7469
@freeaudiobooks7469 4 роки тому
It is. It leaked
@zenande699
@zenande699 4 роки тому
I'm still on the Snapdragon 845, and my phone is an absolute screamers. Still buttery smooth and fast and can handle everything I throw at it.
@agmg3059
@agmg3059 4 роки тому
SD 845 is Powerfull chip it is Flagship SoC comes with many features and is not far behind 855 like people talk
@wanmaziahahmad151
@wanmaziahahmad151 4 роки тому
@@agmg3059 and 865 will be far then 845 like people talk..
@agmg3059
@agmg3059 4 роки тому
@@wanmaziahahmad151 In Benchmarks yes but real world will be barelly noticable only maybe in games,the 845 is very snappy and is aging well
@wanmaziahahmad151
@wanmaziahahmad151 4 роки тому
@@agmg3059 no i think even people ok if you are gamer i guess you will be upgrade your new hardware like 865 those features 865 provide can't be use inside 845 for example updateable gpu driver that's insane dude just like pc upgrade their driver !! I would say this 865 will be for long term use.. because they has driver update.. future proof keep it mind
@zenande699
@zenande699 4 роки тому
Yeah at the end of the day, the benchmarks really don't matter that much if your phone is still perceivably very good. Of course buying a phone with the new Snapdragon 865 will mean future proofing your device so that you it's perceivably good for many more years to come.
@johnybro250
@johnybro250 4 роки тому
Anyone remember the video in which Gary said that if Apple stumbled and made a "bad" processor(the A13 is a great processor), other chipset makers can actually catch up and match Apple's performance??? Could this be it?!!! Really hyped for OEMs to release their phones....(looking up to u Samsung 😎)
@johnybro250
@johnybro250 4 роки тому
@GAMER- X Exactly. That just gave way for other manufacturers to get through. 2020 will be the year we see the actual competition with comparable CPUs, GPUs n NPUs(and that ISP too).
@johnybro250
@johnybro250 4 роки тому
I'm personally not gonna consider Huawei till they ship phones globally. Yes, Huawei's has a good ISP but the Snapdragons managed to give competition with what they had. And now the 865 ISP has a huge jump. So I'm looking forward to that. Huawei is one of the best out there and I have no objection against them.
@kingyogesh441
@kingyogesh441 4 роки тому
Had Apple really wanted we would have seen an 8core A13 that bests the A12x but their was simply no incentive to do that.
@johnybro250
@johnybro250 4 роки тому
@@kingyogesh441 With Apple's architecture (which helps them to achieve this performance), if they go for an octa core, it would be a serious power blow on them. So they stick to 6 core. Maybe in the future if they get bigger batteries(possible with graphene composition batteries) or more efficient architecture, they can do that.
@kingyogesh441
@kingyogesh441 4 роки тому
Johny Bro hmm A13 is already more efficient 🤷🏻‍♂️ 2 more cores could easily have been squeezed in the package but I get it their was no need as A13 is still more powerful then 2020 android flagship
@KaranYadav-gr5xj
@KaranYadav-gr5xj 4 роки тому
Am i the only one who thinks workload switching animation was quite slow on iphone and wasn't even visible on qrd. I guess those animations are what caused the difference.
@darkmist65
@darkmist65 4 роки тому
whoa that was a lot closer than i thought it wood ever be with the Snapdragon 865 and Apple A13
@LyNhatPE
@LyNhatPE 4 роки тому
A13 Bionic slower but stronger than Snapdragon 865
@zerocool5865
@zerocool5865 3 роки тому
Wow what a logic. 😂😂😂😂😂
@abdullahzafar4401
@abdullahzafar4401 4 роки тому
When manufacturers will make their own smartphones,they’re gonna be faster than this . Clearly SD865 smartphones are gonna be more powerful than A13 in overall scores
@lilianamessi
@lilianamessi 4 роки тому
apple big goon most powerful iPhone full view
@Cocxy69
@Cocxy69 4 роки тому
No....in fortunately not 😫
@diavalus
@diavalus 4 роки тому
iPhones alreayd have this power on the market for a few months. Qualcomm does not. It will take at least a few more months.
@lilianamessi
@lilianamessi 4 роки тому
@@diavalus a fuckin year
@lilianamessi
@lilianamessi 4 роки тому
@@diavalus u and my iPhone hot
@ymi_yugy3133
@ymi_yugy3133 4 роки тому
Even as Apple stumbles Qualcomm just manages to catch up and chip it's SoC more than 3 month later. Moreover, they are still behind in single core and graphics performance which are the characteristics most important in day to day usage.
@Sinistar24
@Sinistar24 4 роки тому
Looks like Apple is in some trouble. I can see the SD surpassing the A series in a few years, especially after hearing about the A series lead engineer leaving Apple, I think his name was Gerald Williams.
@JamesBond-kc4ht
@JamesBond-kc4ht 4 роки тому
The Snapdragon 865 is faster than Apple(A13)........ Sometimes😪
@mii7929
@mii7929 4 роки тому
That is a huge improvement to be honest.
@7k39
@7k39 4 роки тому
I dont care if it's not faster than apple's chipset. Im happy with android system overall 😂
@Mustafa_9628
@Mustafa_9628 4 роки тому
The thumbnail got me worried tho😞
@mattb9343
@mattb9343 4 роки тому
Just one question: who actually goes into the phones BIOS and shuts down all cores except one? Single core performance is a throw away stat imo. Normal people will only ever use mixed CPU\GPU with all cores active at once.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
LOL... phones BIOS 😂 There are wee little people in the phone that do it for you.
@itsmuhammad2305
@itsmuhammad2305 4 роки тому
If the reference device isn't using LPDDR 5 RAM then I say S11 will smash the iPhone and trash it.
@salahh89
@salahh89 4 роки тому
It's MuhaMMaD Samsung won’t smash anything cause they will be using the garbage Exynos in their flagships as always.
@itsmuhammad2305
@itsmuhammad2305 4 роки тому
@@salahh89just in Europe, and you don't know how that will preform either, it can smash snapdragon as well and if it doesn't I'm getting the better one anyways.
@jsdlasd3531
@jsdlasd3531 4 роки тому
A13 has 6 core Sd 865 has 8 core. So apple still ahead...
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
Um, no. It doesn't work like that.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
Here is a question I ask someone on Twitter. It might help you. Will a dual-core SoC running at 1GHz have a better Geekbench multicore score than a single core processor running at 2GHz?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
You didn't answer my question.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
I see you deleted your comment and wrote another one almost the same. You seem to be throwing about words that you don't really understand. So I will try again, if you don't give me a sensible answer then I will assume you are actually interested. So... Assuming two processors with the same microarchitecture. Will a dual-core variant of the processor running at 1GHz have better multi-threaded performance than a single core variant of the the processor running at 2GHz?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
@@Zboi21 I don't think the multi-core processor will have the better performance because of context switching, pipeline bubbles and cache misses. That is why the idea of CPU affinity exists. And to answer your question, the whole point is that it depends on the IPC, which is where I was heading.
@VaiRostampour
@VaiRostampour 4 роки тому
Where can we get speed test GX?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
Try the FAQ garyexplains.com/faq
@user-ck9gs8rf9n
@user-ck9gs8rf9n 4 роки тому
Please make a video about gpus. It seems that because of them the Snapdragon processors cannot progress further
@soraaoixxthebluesky
@soraaoixxthebluesky 4 роки тому
People: “Damn you Qualcomm. Why Apple is always a light years ahead of your chip?!” Qualcomm: “Hold my SD865”
@techshield3232
@techshield3232 4 роки тому
Apple's bionic A13 is still far ahead then Snapdragon 865. P.s. I am not a apple fanboy Using samsung android phones from childhood. And waiting for the day that snapdragon could surpass apple bionic chip.
@clickbaitpro
@clickbaitpro 4 роки тому
@@techshield3232 You've to wake up from sleep bro
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
Vishal, how is A13 still far ahead?
@rohit31chauhan
@rohit31chauhan 4 роки тому
@@techshield3232 childhood lol
@rajeshkedar3895
@rajeshkedar3895 4 роки тому
@@techshield3232 how old are you boy ?😂
@hereb4theend
@hereb4theend 4 роки тому
I looked up the definition of wonderful and it showed me a picture of Gary. 😊
@Teluric2
@Teluric2 4 роки тому
How do you know if you can have one device ?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
eh?
@heydon2012
@heydon2012 4 роки тому
It has been announced that Qualcomm are now going to TSMC to produce its 865 snapdragon and not Samsung , also , Samsung have announced that S11 phones in Europe will not have Snapdragon 865 , but instead Exynos 990
@sbrader97
@sbrader97 4 роки тому
I think that small difference in gpu will be made up on the final devices software compared to the reference design, possibly faster than a13 gpu especially with lpddr5 which should boost the gpu
@nakulsharma9769
@nakulsharma9769 4 роки тому
100% likes and 0% dislikes Garry Sims for you !!
@t.r.2283
@t.r.2283 4 роки тому
Did Qualcom increase the cpu cache sizes?
@KML3rd
@KML3rd 4 роки тому
T. R. Yes L2 is the same but L3 is double
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
Yes, Qualcomm doubled the size of the L3 cache from 2MB in the 855 to 4MB in the 865. The L1 and L2 caches are the same, as is the system cache.
@LogioTek
@LogioTek 4 роки тому
Yes CPU L3 went from 2MB to 4MB and there is a new 3MB system cache atop of accelerators (Hexagon Tensor Accelerator, ISP, GPU, etc.). When 3MB system cache gets put to use it's going to open possibilities for new low-latency AI applications further boosted by 50% AI model compression in hardware and 15TOps AI performance (up from 855's 7TOps).
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
The SD855 already had the 3MB system cache.
@LogioTek
@LogioTek 4 роки тому
@@GaryExplains Ah at the Snapdragon event they made it seem like it's new or increased.
@Koudmaker
@Koudmaker 4 роки тому
Will there be a 865+ launched later 2020
@___Amal_
@___Amal_ 4 роки тому
Qualcomm is developing 5nm for sd875 so the chance of 865+ is less.
@farhsa4714
@farhsa4714 4 роки тому
The only way to know which processor are better is to run both on the same os
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
While from a pure scientific view that is strictly correct, but in real world terms, no you don't.
@hantuafiq2
@hantuafiq2 4 роки тому
i own exynos 9850, snapdragon 855 and a12 bionic devices, i don't notice much different between all 3 devices except the exynos just have a little hiccup while the a12 bionic feels smoother when it comes to gaming and the snapdragon is in the middle, just sharing my thoughts.
@VT-nd2fh
@VT-nd2fh 4 роки тому
No GPU benchmarks ? as Antutu is a mix benchmark,
@NeerajSingh-lc7cu
@NeerajSingh-lc7cu 4 роки тому
Gpu is better in apple.
@rrageneral1499
@rrageneral1499 4 роки тому
2:35
@TheAshuV
@TheAshuV 4 роки тому
@@NeerajSingh-lc7cu gpu is almost equal and sd 865 will overtake
@___Amal_
@___Amal_ 4 роки тому
@@NeerajSingh-lc7cu with 30% lesser pixels. 1152p vs 1440p
@michaelchamish1592
@michaelchamish1592 4 роки тому
It's revolution Gary
@Eldare
@Eldare 4 роки тому
I was missing you Gary :)
@hamza2128
@hamza2128 4 роки тому
it would be intreasting to see this comparison next year with 5G high speed download running in the background 🤔
@MaiONerds
@MaiONerds 4 роки тому
People are saying it won't win when there is higher resolution screen and high refresh.
@Enforcedcraft
@Enforcedcraft 4 роки тому
Resolution for Qualcomm reference device was 1440p while IPhone 11 Pro Max is on 1254p. Many more pixels to push and result are same. if QRD was on FHD+ It would of obliterated A13.
@MaiONerds
@MaiONerds 4 роки тому
@@Enforcedcraft ooo noice so Qualcomm has finally beat bionic 😎
@Enforcedcraft
@Enforcedcraft 4 роки тому
@McBossBrine And how says that?
@MaiONerds
@MaiONerds 4 роки тому
@McBossBrine battery life? Ohh yah i am slightly concern about that
@DenGuleBalje
@DenGuleBalje 4 роки тому
Like that matters. The A13 would perform worse in a QHD 120Hz screen as well. People are just stupid.
@tlh1588
@tlh1588 4 роки тому
The Background music... Please tell me
@clickbaitpro
@clickbaitpro 4 роки тому
Space walk - Silent partner
@tlh1588
@tlh1588 4 роки тому
@@clickbaitpro not that one.. The one when he introduces.. "Let me explain" at the beginning of video
@agmg3059
@agmg3059 4 роки тому
I Think Multi Core more matters cause it tests the Whole Cpu Computational Power, single core is important if apps and programs run on single thread,but nowodays all programs and apps are writhen for Multithread workloads, Besides keep in mind the A13 is hexa core and SD 865 is Octa, which will maybe led Apple to shift from its Hexa to Octa in A14 who knows 😁
@utubekullanicisi
@utubekullanicisi 3 роки тому
Good job, Qualcomm! Even though, they needed ~200MHz higher clock speeds and 2 more cores than the A13...
@randomshearz
@randomshearz 4 роки тому
"The published scores are not-crossplatform-comparable" source: www.antutu.com/en/ranking/ios1.htm
@emiel333
@emiel333 4 роки тому
The Apple A12X SoC in the iPad Pro outperforms Apple’s own A13 and SD865. In AnTuTu it reaches easily above 600000 points. I’m curios if Apple will make an A13X for this years iPad Pro.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
True, plus it is a tablet/2-in-1 processor for a device with a big battery and lots of passive cooling. My Ryzen 5 desktop also outperforms the SD865. But that isn't the point is it?
@emiel333
@emiel333 4 роки тому
Gary Explains If numbers aren’t the point, why do you test each chipset anyway?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
@@emiel333 eh? I didn't say numbers weren't the point, I was saying that there are different classes of processor.
@emiel333
@emiel333 4 роки тому
Gary Explains My bad, I was thinking in the numbers. There are certainly different classes of CPU and GPU. From mobile to iPad and from netbook to laptop and from gaming console to desktop pc. But still I’m curious if Apple will announce a new iPad Pro with an A13X chip. Imagine what it can do!
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
@@emiel333 Indeed the A12x is impressive in its class and the A13x would be interesting. It is because of the power of these chips that I think Apple switching the Mac to use its own processors is a real possibility. Also Amazon has just launched the Graviton 2, an Arm server chip and successor to the original Arm based Graviton.
@aravindajit5046
@aravindajit5046 4 роки тому
Compare the A12X with sd 865. Both having same number of cores.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 4 роки тому
But one being for a 2-in-1 tablet with a much bigger battery and higher passive cooling.
@dilpreetsingh6847
@dilpreetsingh6847 4 роки тому
That background sound gets me high 🤣🤣
@user-jj1ty7kx4l
@user-jj1ty7kx4l 4 роки тому
In this Field no doubt you are the best
@gmdhighvoltage
@gmdhighvoltage 4 роки тому
QRD tho, we should wait to see how it fair in actual devices + thermals, consumption and so on. Regardless, I am hopeful it will deliver.
@marsys6178
@marsys6178 4 роки тому
Great. Now waiting for 865+
@ilijaciceric2795
@ilijaciceric2795 4 роки тому
Gary i will love to see speedtest gx a13 vs sd865!I see now and what say then wow!
@Tigerex966
@Tigerex966 4 роки тому
well done qualcomm
@anilrayamajhi7135
@anilrayamajhi7135 3 роки тому
Garry, good video. I have a note 10 + and Iphone 11. I always find chrome browser is faster on Note 10+ by 2-3 secs. URL'S just open so fast on note. I have always wondered is it the chrome code or Iphone CPU is not on par with SD. No doubt, when it comes to GPU A14 beats SD.
@mattwellumson7818
@mattwellumson7818 3 роки тому
Remember who essentially runs Android and builds chrome. Not saying google is nefarious, however their apps on iOS always seem to be a few steps behind their android counterparts with regards to features and I wouldn’t be suprised if they aren’t fully optimized for their hardware either. I can’t say I like chrome on either platform, but agree it is far better on my pixel 4 than it is on my iPhone 11 Pro.
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