The Turntable Paradox
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A ball on a spinning turntable won't fly off as you might expect. In fact the ball will have it's own little orbit that is exactly 2/7th the angular speed of the table. Here's why.
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@SteveMould Рік тому
I can't believe I didn't make a "how the turntables" joke. That's why I love the comments section! Here's a paper with the calculations: m2.askthephysicist.com/Weltner.pdf Note that equations 18 and 19 should have R² terms. That threw me off for longer than I care to admit!
@GaborCsorvasi Рік тому
What happens with shapes of constant width? My guess is it depends on it's moment of inertia, but still would be fun to see.
@isaacm1929 Рік тому
Spinning balls. Balls on the table. You could've done so much jokes... Have a great day sir! Also, Baller, Balling.
@brianm6337 Рік тому
Does this work with non spherical solids, too? How about a water filled ball?
@calholli Рік тому
It's hilarious to say that the car is pointing "tangentially"-- When in fact, no matter what direction you point the car on a round table, it is pointing OUTWARD; lol.
@fookingsog Рік тому
Our family used to have a membership to a children's museum where they had an exhibit similar to this. The spinning disc platter was probably 3-4 feet in diameter stainless steel. They had a variety of different diameter and thicknesses of disks that you could experiment with and balance on the big spinning disc platter. Was probably my favorite exhibit as it required intuitive interaction!!! Super Fun!!! 😁👍🏻
@weeeeems Рік тому
I'm gonna need a 2-dimensional, transparent, liquid filled representation of this.
@lyricsassam Рік тому
😂😂😂
@furzekoenigin Рік тому
It's the only way for me to understand these things.
@swedishpsychopath8795 Рік тому
Could we settle for a venn-diagram instead? So Kamala will understand too?
@appalachianforge7537 Рік тому
Sucks for you
@philipfahy9658 Рік тому
We used to use a tank on a rotating table like this with food coloring to simulate solid body rotation in undergrad. So 3d, but transparent and liquid filled, we're almost there!
@JorgReinhardtLinuxAdmin Рік тому
'discs behave wiredly on turntables'... that sums up my entire experience of the 90's quite nicely
@scottmatznick3140 Рік тому
Weirdly
@SirNobleIZH Рік тому
Wiredly
@ferrumignis Рік тому
You can get Bluetooth turntables now, so the discs behave cordlessly.
@fluffigverbimmelt Рік тому
"90s" "turntables" "behave wired-ly" Hm, am I overthinking this?
@leahcimwerdna5209 Рік тому
You spun them the wrong way
@freddym99 Рік тому
Well well well, how the turntables....
@past-tense-of-draw 11 днів тому
Underrated comment
@WinEntity Рік тому
This is the first time in a long time that I've genuinely felt fascinated by the application of mathematics as hard-and-fast rules for how our world works. Thank you for this fascinating journey.
@tshddx Рік тому
Would be cool to mount the top-down camera to the turntable so it rotates with it. When you mentioned the non-inertial reference frame stuff I was hoping to see the ball’s path from that reference frame.
@dustinandrews89019 Рік тому
Yes, I very much am interested in that. My intuition is that it's elliptical orbits that resemble orbits due to gravity. Though, maybe it's more like anti-gravity since the force on objects is outward unless they can roll.
@mrjbexample Рік тому
-Look up hypocycloids, they are star-like shapes that form if you trace a point on a small circle rotating within a larger circle. I think the ball's path from the table's reference frame would be look like one, with k=3.5 or 7 points to the star.- EDIT: this is wrong, it will just be a spiral that moves inwards then outwards and joins up with itself
@jetison333 Рік тому
its possible to just stabilize the video on the turn table, if someone wanted to put in the effort.
@PhysHow42 Рік тому
@@dustinandrews89019 he mentions in the video that it cuts a perfect circle in vacuum without slippage, and a spiral with slippage.
@MrDaraghkinch Рік тому
@@mrjbexample spirograph?
@MyriadCelestia Рік тому
as soon as you brought up a hollow ball and I saw the numbers 5 and 7 pop up, I thought of Moment of Inertia. I am pretty proud of my tiny noggin for thinking of that
@davidetosches6014 Рік тому
same. I also thought at Cv and Cp of ideal gases but then I excluded then because of the context (though, it's still spinning stuffs and inertia ;) )
@RestWithin Рік тому
Noggin! Now that’s an old word! Mate you’re showing your age! 😂
@MyriadCelestia Рік тому
@@RestWithin i am probably younger than you think haha
@squigglycups5666 Рік тому
@@MyriadCelestia atleast 80
@ezfzx Рік тому
It is precisely related to the inertial moment, confirmed if you examine the paper. We try to express the equation as: I = k m r², with k = 1 for hoops, of course. We have a lab the student do that rolls different types of balls down a rail of variable separation and they have to predict the speed in terms of the "k" value. It's very enlightening. As a lab, this would be equally fascinating.
@omgitguy Рік тому
Seeing you advertise "The Länd" took me by surprise. I didn't know we were advertising internationally. Also, your pronounciation of "Baden Wörttembörg" is really adorable. 😄
@linkerganove5756 Рік тому
Nett hier aber waren sie schon mal in Baden-Württemberg?
@niklasfischer7866 11 місяців тому
LOL was about to stop watching the video but now I’m gonna keep watching
@YassFuentes Рік тому
As a physicist, this video is pure joy. Thanks for making this video available, Steve ❤️
@blaise3004 Рік тому
I can't be the only one that initially thought it was pi rotations rather than 7/2 when you counted them
@sudoscoobs1373 Рік тому
Same! I was sitting here like, "do I smell pie?"
@isaacm1929 Рік тому
I was also thinking pi rotations!
@dav1dsm1th Рік тому
@@sudoscoobs1373 Great. Now I'm hungry.
@HassanSelim0 Рік тому
same, it's a very likely place for pi to come jumping at you 😁
@DrakiniteOfficial Рік тому
Sad to say I didn't think of that. I was just confused at how the heck 7/2 seemed to appear.
@jaredarnell Рік тому
Love the video! Wanted to say, I did my master's thesis on how students conceptualize the Coriolis force, and I'd recommend avoiding terms like "fictitious" when describing it. It gives students the impression that it's 'made up' or 'doesn't exist', which conflicts with their bodily perceptions which have experienced the force first-hand. Also, it makes it sound like it shouldn't be trusted (let alone, used), rather than emphasizing how helpful (and necessary) the Coriolis force is when viewing things from a non-inertial frame. Personally, I try to call it an "apparent" force, because it 'appears' when you change your perspective to the non-inertial frame. It's all about clarifying the contexts in which the Coriolis force is productive.
@SteveMould Рік тому
That's a really good point, thanks! How about virtual force? I quite like "apparent" though.
@insidejazzguitar8112 Рік тому
@@SteveMould you could call it the Coriolis effect
@PeskyTheWabbit Рік тому
@@SteveMould One of my hobbies is long range rifle shooting, so as you could imagine, the Coriolis Force / Effect becomes a factor in my accuracy. When you said "fictitious force" in the video, I definitely raised an eyebrow before I reminded myself that centrifugal force is similar in not being a real "force", because I have definitely witnessed the Coriolis Effect. I feel like "fictitious" can cause a knee jerk reaction. I think "apparent" would fit perfectly, or simply referring to it as the Coriolis Effect, as that does not imply any "force" is being added to the equation.
@jannegrey593 Рік тому
@@SteveMould Especially since Flat Earthers will use it as "proof" that Coriolis effect isn't "real". Apparent force is much better. Same for Centrifugal Force.
@LeoStaley Рік тому
@@SteveMould "emergent" is often used to describe effects which are not fundamental, but arise as a consequence of other more fundamental effects.
@JoshHenderson16 Рік тому
The hollow ball discrepancy blew my mind. And the seeing the mathematical proof was so satisfying. I love when maths describes real world phenomenon so comprehensively.
@batlin Рік тому
Would have loved to see a view locked to the turntable's rotation (i.e. a camera from above rotating at the same speed, or each frame rotated to keep the turntable apparently in a fixed position). Bet the ball movement would look pretty interesting.
@trif55 11 місяців тому
This would be great! Also this video's a decent explanation of orbital mechanics, where poking it inward to where it's moving faster etc
@davidwuhrer6704 8 місяців тому
Seems simple enough to deduce what it would look like. For the ball staying in the spot, it just describes a circular orbit for the table. For the ball going in a circle, it would be an elliptical orbit precessing one seventh with each turn, so that after seven orbits it ends up where it started again. Or five if the ball is hollow.
@batlin 8 місяців тому
@@davidwuhrer6704 it's not that I can't figure out what it would look like, but it would be enjoyable to see.
@davidwuhrer6704 8 місяців тому
@@batlin That it would be.
@chrismofer Рік тому
This helps me visualize how a Lagrangian orbit can be somewhat stable despite all the forces being apparently unblanced.
@pineapplepenumbra Рік тому
Good point.
@ThreesixnineGF Рік тому
Yeah that's kind of how JW telescope keeps orbiting around it's lagrangian center. Although its path is an 8 figure rather than a perfect circle. Which make me think that this 8 figure (lemniscate) might be a 3D substitute for the 2D circle. But idk
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The sky is not "outer space". Sorry to break the sci-fi illusion. "Gravity" is a pseudo-scientific belief about balls of matter in the sky.
@brunnomenxa Рік тому
@@pineapplepenumbra, Good Lagrangian point.
@Astromath Рік тому
That's exactly what came to my mind immediately when he showed the circular orbit of the ball that doesn't go around the center!
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Very helpful
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Thumbs up
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@misssusmita2502 Рік тому
Very good
@ignispurgatorius5297 Рік тому
I like that you showed some of the math here as well. I think too many youtube science channels forget that besides just describing observations we also already have a lot of very good models that can predict the observations very well.
@ArmstA79 7 місяців тому
Centre for Life in Newcastle had a massive turntable (not sure if it still does) with lots of objects you could experiment with. We practically spent all day on it it, it was great fun. 😊
@AlDunbar Рік тому
Most of us would, I think, be surprised to see a ball on a turning turntable basically staying in one spot. Instead of explaining with formulas only, you described how it happens very simply. Great work!
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Your videos are simply awesome! I am a rerired Physics Teacher and could have used your videos to engage and challenge my students while I was teaching. I never miss your videos and thank you for keeping my love of Physics alive and I hope inspiring a whole new generation of young students to take up the challenge of physics and science in general.
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@7cle Рік тому
´been listening to this half asleep and it’s so brilliantly narrated that I’ve recorded the video in the watch later list. Steve is one of the very few best science sources on youtube and better than very large institutions that allocate large sums of money into it. Steve has the knack of finding sufficiently mundane stuff that anyone can relate to, yet is scientifically relevant and catchy. Steve, you’re the boss. Thanks a metric ton.
@jameslimary755 Рік тому
Very good at cutting out the technicality and still keeping the explanation satisfactory
@trustnoone81 Рік тому
I started chuckling to myself the second I saw the equation for the moment of inertia of a ball. This was so cool! It's nice to see some interesting physics can still be done with closed form equations.
@lukedowneslukedownes5900 Рік тому
I’m curious. What is your thoughts on open and closed formulas relative to physics?
@dickJohnsonpeter Рік тому
@@lukedowneslukedownes5900 Equations are closed, formulas are open.
@ratulxy Рік тому
@@lukedowneslukedownes5900 by closed form equations they mean that the equation can be solved analytically which generally leads a nice solution. Otherwise you have to solve it numerically.
@pineapplepenumbra Рік тому
@@ratulxy It helps that your post was good, but I thumbed you up before I read it, just because your name deserves it.
@ratulxy Рік тому
@@pineapplepenumbra haha, thanks!
@Bob_Adkins Рік тому
I imagine the formula for the motion of a slightly elliptical ball would be terrifying.
@lucasbakeforero426 Рік тому
I am getting nightmares already.
@StigFerrari Рік тому
It can’t hurt you
@santoslkwjs4718 Рік тому
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@shadowcween7890 Рік тому
The truth is that any real world ball is already slightly elliptical, since perfect shapes are nearly impossible to create
@daty1453 Рік тому
@@shadowcween7890 why are u saying nearly
@carljohanr Рік тому
I saw this at the Experimentarium, a Science Museum in Denmark. One interesting variation is a large hollow ring (a thick bracelet or similar). If you put it on the turntable vertically and let it get up to speed, and then place a ball inside the ring, the ball inside will stabilize the motion of the ring, and behave quite similarly to a single ball.
@bekaemery2918 Рік тому
This was such an interesting video. I don't remember any of my alevel physics but I do love stuff like this
@Gisburne2000 Рік тому
Watching this video almost 40 years after I dropped out of taking Physics and Maths for A-level, I'm glad I did. The overlying description of what's happening is utterly fascinating, but the calculus, the physics, the number-crunching... it was never going to be for me. I absolutely LOVE the passion you and others have for such things, because I have my own 'things' which give me joy. Glad to be a viewer, amazed to catch of a glimpse of something described in a way I can understand it, knowing that you can do the maths and the physics and I don't have to!
@frightenedsoul Рік тому
There was a time around 6th-8th grade learning high school level algebra with a very good math teacher that I really enjoyed it mostly because the teacher made me understand it and therefore I was really good at it and had really good grades as a result. Fast forward several more years and terrible math teachers later and I was never able to successfully advance past that and had terrible math grades by the time I got into college.
@occupyallthethings Рік тому
Lol I'm the opposite.. didn't drop out and got a mechanical engineering degree and lots of regret
@dark6.63E-34 Рік тому
@@occupyallthethings can you elaborate? I am a first year in mechanical engineering and maybe i could get some insight
@shet3930 Рік тому
this is a typo and you meant to say 4 right?
@thitam5003 Рік тому
ok
@lasagnahog7695 Рік тому
Classic Mould. Breaking an interesting phenomenon down to easily understandable parts. It makes me feel smarter than other channels because it's like he is just making me realize what I already know opposed to teaching a whole new concept.
@paulshuttleworth6261 Рік тому
Also very willing to admit he doesn’t fully understand it either. Humanises him. Great guy.
@rgw5991 Рік тому
OK
@thejeffstreet Рік тому
I really liked how the equations are presented here. Must have been a ton of work. Thanks for making the effort.
@matt22w Рік тому
Wow, amazing video!!! Love your work, the experiments and the clear explanations.
@oskioskioski Рік тому
A ball rolling from a flat surface, onto a turntable, back onto a flat surface, is also interesting. It swerves on the table, but exits perfectly in line with the direction it entered from.
@erikeriks Рік тому
Modern scientists: it exits perfectly in line with the direction it entered from. The line in question: 5:32
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@armanmohsenikabir7293 Рік тому
Amazing video. I have a doctorate degree in Physics and I am always amazed with your videos. Kudos and thanks for the link to the paper.
@andygodwin5062 Рік тому
Ok dude, you've grown on me and I love these videos. Thanks for getting on with it and having the balls to just make the videos!
@Wayne_Robinson Рік тому
It's always delightful when a simple experiment reveals unexpected behavior.
@sphygo Рік тому
I swear you always come up with the most mundane topics that slip right by the rest of us, and yet are so very fascinating when you take a closer look at them. Another amazing video.
@tinalisapattern Рік тому
You keep fascinating us as well as entertaining. Thank you for that Steve. And congrats to those, who choose you to promote "THELÄND". Perfect choice. I am from Germany and have seen the clip before. And yes, I believe for tech or science aspiring people, that is a perfect place to go to.
@Norsilca Рік тому
Yeah I loved that his sponsor was a state of Germany!
@claudebouvy7628 Рік тому
Hi Steve. Great video, really enjoyed it. I'm working on a similar type of educational videos. Did you use a professional editing tool to draw the velocity vectors or is it freeware? Thanks for any suggestion on editing such videos. Cheers
@twojuiceman Рік тому
When I was a kid, the Fort Worth Science Museum had a 6-ft radius stainless steel turntable set flush in a table so there were no pinch points around the edge. They had all manner of round objects for kids to play with. I remember my parents saying it was time to move on, but I was mesmerized playing with wheels and balls on the spinning table. Good times
@DaHoodedBandit Рік тому
I love how you can see the line bent with the rolling shutter effect when he pauses the video. So cool
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@levetbyck Рік тому
this part 3:08!
@darrinlalla9008 Рік тому
This was so nicely presented. Great video.
@KeaganZeile Рік тому
Great video!! I have been really curious about how those videos work where they have a spiraled stick that is put in a moving body of water and it travels up the stream. How does this work? Could this be a video idea? Thanks
@zacharyhenning6854 Рік тому
Would love to see a camera view mounted to the turn table. I assume the the ball would appear to trace a pattern like a spirograph.
@better_dead_than_red Рік тому
I got a nausea from this idea
@levetbyck Рік тому
maybe have a sensor inside the ball
@RoyceRemix Рік тому
As soon as I saw your comment I knew I had to make it happen - Here's a handful of shots from the video that I tracked, and one shot that I traced the path of the ball, I put my thoughts about it in the description under the video (unlisted, but still sharable) - ukposts.info/have/v-deo/ZZmCfqOHpmeltac.html
@adamplace1414 Рік тому
I don't think I've seen a Steve Mould video I didn't like, but this might be my favorite. I was slack-jawed in surprise for a lot of it. The way the balls moved really was unexpected and quite pleasing as well.
@BenHur872 Рік тому
Your 'paradox' videos are my favourite ones, Steve
@xporkrind Рік тому
Loved your video. Where can we buy an inexpensive turntable? Would an old record player work, or would it be a problem because of the metal rod in the center of the recordplayer???
@eugenesaint1231 Рік тому
Wow, this takes me back to the 50;s. We had a record player that didn't work (the audio didn't) but the turntable would spin. We'd put on a 33 LP and put a marble on it. I observed the same results as you did but had no understanding of the physics/math involved. Thanks for the excellent explanation, BTW, we would also roll up a paper cone, stick a straight pin through the pointy end, and hold that on a record to listen to our tunes. Way cool. Just sane... :^) Saint
@richardchambers256 Рік тому
Me too but I used a CAT. 😆
@eugenesaint1231 Рік тому
@@richardchambers256 Ha! 7 to 2 ratio, 7+2=9 :lives. Coincidence? I think not. He he he...
@alphonsbretagne8468 Рік тому
I did this when I was young as well. The paper needle trick works with a flat paper or cardboard already but slightly quieter. Though the best thing always has been to choose the wrong speed 😅
@jhawkins4412 Рік тому
Dito
@jpsned Рік тому
My little sister and I used to use an empty dog biscuit box and a needle to listen. 😀
@mxz_archery Рік тому
Just realized you went from finally hitting 1M subscribers a few months ago to being on the verge of 2M right now. Well deserved! And as always great video :)
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@ShainAndrews Рік тому
Right.. because it matters.
@william41017 Рік тому
@@ShainAndrews Jesus! Op just congratulating him on his success. And, idk about Steve, but subs number matter for a lot of youtubers considering that's their livelihood.
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You’ve done a great job of contributing something for all of our benefit.
@adrianwright8685 7 місяців тому
Nice demo. The 7:2 explanation particularly good.
@adrianvankan7619 Рік тому
Amazing video, as always! I've never commented here before, but I'm a long-time subscriber and wanted to say that as a researcher in physics, your curiosity is simply an inspiration to me! Also, I love your plug for THE LÄND (Baden-Württemberg), which is where I did my undergrad. It's a great place for Science indeed!
@danielsieker9927 Рік тому
Let me guess, Heidelberg?
@adrianvankan7619 Рік тому
@@danielsieker9927 That's right!
@MisterIkkus Рік тому
I like thinking about your videos like they're a published study in a scientific journal. Love the idea of the conclusion of a paper being, "Balls and other round things behave weirdly on turntables."
@suighrafa Рік тому
Dude, the math explaining the 7/2 was so beautiful. It made me smile!
@kerriemills1310 Рік тому
This has such great timing, for me, as for the question I had in my mind, about the Harry Styles , Music Video, As It Was, music clip has him walking 🚶 or running 🏃♀️ around on a turntable, although with another blue,red vector possibly. However where I am going with this had answered a question for me, thank you. 🎊 😊
@CreamusG Рік тому
I love that at 3:20 we can see the rolling shutter make the line curved
@gauravmitra150 Рік тому
I would like to see an Eulers disk spin on a spinning turntable. Once when the disk and the turntable both rotate in the same direction (e.g. clockwise) and once when one rotates clockwise while the other rotates anti-clockwise.
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The people have spoken!! These are our demands, our balls are in your court!
@trailerwookie 4 місяці тому
"I've got two turntables and a plastic ball. Friction...is where it's at."
@matthaitm8945 5 місяців тому
Very nice explanation. Excellent. Explained as simply as possible. ♥️
@Burgher1605 Рік тому
0:52 thanks for the ball to hand size clarification here. 🤣
@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 3 місяці тому
They are not normally that size?
@rhyskadekawa1763 Рік тому
Did you make or buy that motorized turntable? Just typing in turntable gives the DJ turntables and I would love to have one for my classroom. Awesome videos. I embed many them as supplemental videos to watch for high school physics.
@yeti9634 Рік тому
He is using a pottery wheel. Check with the art department?
@SerifSansSerif Рік тому
yeah, that's totally a potter's wheel...
@forestschoenrock3040 Рік тому
Lol
@mitchsoja9948 Рік тому
I'm interested if a similar effect would occur with other solids of constant width. Really cool video, as always, and I enjoy learning from them!
@buenchiko007 8 місяців тому
could you use this setup to experimentally calculate the moment of inertia of a spinny thing with an awkward shape?
@arburo1 Рік тому
As a 70 year old chartered engineer I am always learning new things. I had never seen this before, so thank you.
@ThalassTKynn Рік тому
The circular motion of the ball reminds me of the motion of an object in space orbiting a planet. If its orbit isn't circular it gains velocity as it decends, and then exchanges that velocity for altitude after periapsis. I have probably played too much KSP.
@danwood1121 Рік тому
I wonder if this is related to how the James Webb space telescope has that unique orbit?
@MattStryker Рік тому
Steam says I've played KSP for 3,310 hours. And yet, when I get home tonight from work, guess what program I'm gonna fire up...
@NateTheScot Рік тому
He has a video on that exact thing. Or at least I've definitely watched a video explaining why the orbit of planets and bodies are all evenly balanced because of oval orbits since it's extremely rare for an actually perfectly circular orbit due to universal gravitational pulls. This results in all orvits eventually balancing at a certain point in the oval which can lead to interesting alignments on very rare occasions which I'm fairly sure was him since I don't watch many other channels like this but I could be wrong..
@Aashishkebab Рік тому
Unrelated
@RichardHowells1234 Рік тому
Fink dat so
@sanjayraju5408 8 місяців тому
Understanding Rotational Dynamics has always been interesting and pain in the neck at the same time.
@barnowl2832 7 місяців тому
The contact point on the turntable, if not assumed to be a point but rather an area, would be roughly circular and the radially outer portion of it is rotating faster underneath the ball than the radially inner portion of the contact area. But the circular contact area on the ball which is rolling tangentially cannot be faster on the radially outer portion compared to the radially inner portion. So this would induce some slip i assume cause the ball can't start to rotate about a vertical axis when it is already rotating around the axis that allows it to roll along tangentially. I think you can see the toy car affected by this and turn slightly left
@fotwen Рік тому
I'm so glad you mentioned something about coriolis. That's kinda where my mind went watching the ball go from closer and further to the point of rotation.
@feedingravens Рік тому
Not only that - when I see the ball orbiting around a point, it reminds me of a moon. Almost as if it does not even need a planet to do such movements, or, all the planet does is give the cause for the orbiting moon to orbit another center.
@dustinkirk3920 Рік тому
@@feedingravens except, the moon isn't rotating on its own axis is it? Planetary satellites orbit their hosts regardless of their own spins. Hmm...
@truongtran-sl6rh Рік тому
ok
@fotwen Рік тому
@@truongtran-sl6rh alrighty then
@fotwen Рік тому
@@feedingravens idk... Remember, the center of orbit between moon and earth isn't the center of earth.. so their orbit is a relationship between the two. The reason it's tidal locked with earth is also that reason. Adding friction to rotating bodies it completely different than orbital mechanics. As I know of. That ball is experiencing different tangential speeds as it moves closer and further away from the axis. Orbits do have a sling shot kinda effect. But I see that different than this. But I could be wrong.
@kayasper6081 Рік тому
Fascinating stuff, very well framed in images and clearly explained. Thanks for your video!
@AstarOfDavid Рік тому
So what happens if you tried using a ball with an offset center? Like a bolwing ball (not suggesting trying a bowling ball but something smaller with an offset center perhaps a custom resin ball with an offset cast steel ball bearing inside)
@Duplicitousthoughtformentity Рік тому
Steve Mould is the perfect example of how to make science interesting and engaging for the laymen and encourage curiosity. Asking questions about even the most mundane of observations and interactions is invaluable. We don’t know what we don’t know until we ask why and how.
@gregvondare Рік тому
Sounds like a way to understand precession and LaGrange Points. There's something deep about gravity and dynamics in this demo, but I can't quite crystalize it. Any ideas about that, Steve?
@undisabled1552 Рік тому
Watching the ball on the turntable is mesmerizing!
@lenacoronado2172 8 місяців тому
Where can I buy the turntable? Can you post link?
@fragglet 3 місяці тому
When I saw this I was reminded of Lagrange points and how objects near them have stable orbits around them even though there's nothing there. Of course it's the same - another example of the Coriolis force. Great video, thanks!
@anoninunen Рік тому
I've seen this done with an umbrella as a bit of a parlor trick - good to understand how it works
@Loctorak Рік тому
That IS a cool parlor trick!
@dylanparker130 Рік тому
Brilliant stuff, as ever - loved finding out where the 7:2 ratio came from!
@ltv..123 7 місяців тому
Bravo! Brilliant! Subscribed.
@horrorhotel1999 10 місяців тому
"Balls and other round things behave weirdly on turntables" is an excellent alternative title for this video
@hesido Рік тому
The 7/2 vs 5/2 between the solid and hollow ball is very curious to me. So balls with different thickness of shell would turn anywhere between 7/2 and 5/2? This hasn't been mentioned in the video.
@vsm1456 Рік тому
Yes. Someone in the comments said that if a ball has a hole in the middle, the size of 38% of its diameter, the ball would have Pi rotation period.
@volzutansmeig7323 Рік тому
Nett hier. Aber waren sie schon mal in Baden-Würtemberg?
@atomicdmt8763 Рік тому
amazing! perfect blend of well delivered info-tainment! didnt know what I didnt know.....yknow?
@jpstewart4109 11 місяців тому
This was simple enough to understand, interesting, and informative af 👏 👌🏿 👍🏿 subbed.
@haidershaharyar Рік тому
I'm glad to have found you... purely because your videos make me remember my curiosity as a kid. The things you lose when life takes over! Great going!!
@HartenDylan Рік тому
Hi Steve, there's lots of fascinating ideas here that would be cool to explore. For example, if the spinning surface was curved like a Euler's disk, how might the motion differ compared to that of the flat or convex surfaces? Here you present flat, and earth is our convex. This harkens back to your "this should slip off but it doesn't" video with spinning concave and convex surfaces and a spinning band. Love the videos and making us foster unique concept connections!
@DoctorTimelord Рік тому
@SteveMould have you tried a rubber ball with a rubber mat on the turn table to reduce or prevent slipping? or would that just make it bounce where it would otherwise slip?
@Malletman2 8 місяців тому
Ok the disc example now has me wondering how a Cyr wheel would respond to a rotating platform in various types of motion (rolling vs coining vs waltzing).
@xvr_demi_trees2937 Рік тому
As a 2,055 year old Carpenter it amazes me that after all these years, we still love playing with balls!
@jcf7401 11 місяців тому
This is beautiful. Thanks for sharing
@Zahlenteufel1 Рік тому
Nett hier. Aber waren Sie schon mal in Baden-Württemberg?
@MarkHavermans 11 місяців тому
Absolutely SUPER GREAT video. Thank you.
@andrewaaberg482 7 місяців тому
Really cool video, thanks for teachin!
@insidejazzguitar8112 Рік тому
Love this one. Glad you mentioned the Coriolis effect. When you showed the gyroscope, I thought you were going to talk about procession. That would be a good concept introduce here too. By the way, your videos are great! Adam
@qovro Рік тому
You've got me visualizing a parade of gyroscopes dressed in fancy costumes.
@grahamdunning Рік тому
As someone who's been putting marbles and ping-pong balls on turntables in the name of Sound Art for the last 10 years, this video was very useful.
@andregon4366 Рік тому
What are those sounds used for?
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@grahamdunning Рік тому
@@andregon4366 I use ping-pong balls to semi-randomly trigger synth sounds as part of a music performance: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/l6Bhd32GpoRoq2Q.html
@GABSE007 Рік тому
The Linik you are talking about in 8:14 is the change of angular momentum-> you can use the right hand rule to obtain the direction of deflection Example aircraft with one jet engine : Your right hand "wrap"-fingers are pointing in the direction of the engine's rotation-> your thumb is now pointing out of the engine Lets assume the jet is pulling nose up Imagine the line that your thumb draws now use right hand rule again-> your thumb is pointing in the direction of the change (up) and your "wrap" fingers show you in which direction the moment is introduced So in this case the airplane would yaw to the left (if the pilot is sleeping)
@orbsphere- Рік тому
I sometimes use a large stainless steel mixing bowl at meal time and like to give it a few spins starting it flat on it's base (using a gentle hand on opposite sides of rim to start rotation) on the counter watching to see how long it seems to keep spinning. The bowl generally lifts up slightly onto one "edge" of base and wobbles (spins) around for quite some time. Wonder if this could be managed on turntable would have a smaller ratio than hollow sphere the bowl being half a sphere? Or might start spinning of it's own accord?
@jeremycull8876 Рік тому
Loved the emphasis on intuition in this video. Don't think the lesson/insight could have been taught better 👍
@PeterNerlich Рік тому
I believe without doubt that there is that fixed ratio because the other factors cancel out, but that being a different constant for hollow balls is really weird. At first glance, it makes sense, but what if you consider the thickness of the ball "shell" as a fraction of its radius? Now you cannot discretely differentiate between whether a ball is hollow or not (or rather, solid balls become a special case of hollow ones), because at the limit→1 they are basically the same
@Geerice Рік тому
if I'm understanding your comment right, basically the ratio for that hollow ball isn't exact. The ratio is for a theoretical ball with infinitely thin walls. A more complex equation exists for a solid ball with a cavity.
@jameskerns717 Рік тому
As you change the distribution of the mass by hollowing out the middle you make a gradual transformation from solid to a "thin shell". Of course, where do you draw the line at "thin"? When the assumption of a "thin" shell is good enough.
@solewalk 11 місяців тому
Steve, this is very fascinating. I really appreicate. I am guessing that, near the surface of the turn table, there is general tendency for the air to flow from the center of the turn table towards the edge of the turn table. The reasoning is that the surface of the turn table moves faster as you move from the center of the turn table towards the edge of the turn table, and, thus, air moves faster as you go from the center toward the edge of the turn table, which, in turn, means air pressure becomes lower as you move from the center towards the edge of the turn table. I thought it would be fun to observe and analyze the roll of air flow near the turn table surface and around the ball. Also, I would really love to see you conduct the same experiment you did in this video in vacuum just to see whether it makes any difference.
@MaiAolei 7 місяців тому
To me math is like reading a good book or watching/listening to a master artist's work. I can follow, I can understand, but never in a million years could I come up with it myself.
@dwdei8815 Рік тому
So strange how our intuition of where the ball goes kinda depends on the ball realising it's on a turntable and behaving accordingly. I loved that point of your explanation.
@playr4 Рік тому
There's this very hands on science museum in the SF bay area called the Exploratorium, my favorite museum as both a kid and an adult. They had an exhibit about this which was my favorite thing there. It was a giant turntable, like 4 feet-ish in diameter and a ton of discs and balls of different weights and sizes and some of the discs had holes in different orientations. I could easily spend my entire day there just playing around with the physics of it, trying so hard to get one to stay on for as long as possible.
@DavidLindes Рік тому
was going to mention exactly this, but you beat me to it. :) I've spent lots of time there, too... they also have little sticks that one can slide through the holes in some of the discs, or also some rings, to allow them to be held still to set up. Another fun thing is rolling something onto the turntable from the side, as the turntable is basically an inlay on a larger table surface, and the heights are flush to each other... so you can roll a ball on at different angles, and see what it does as it transfers from the static table surface to the dynamic turntable surface. Much fun! Highly recommended to anyone in/around (or visiting) SF.
@JimC Рік тому
I lived near SF from around 1980 to 1991. That was when the Exploratorium was still in the Palace of Fine Arts. I became a member and visited often. This exhibit was originally intended to show how something on the turntable would be flung off tangentially to it, not straight from the center. But the objects were small disks, and everyone found seeing them roll on the turntable was much more interesting. Getting pennies to roll was fun, too. I don't remember the museum having spheres of any kind for the turntable. I never thought of bringing a ping-pong ball. The most interesting object I saw there was one of those rubber feet for folding chairs or canes. It's shaped like a cone with some of the pointy end cut off, and the bottom was somewhat rounded. A rubber sink/bathtub plug could've be interesting to watch, too.
@playr4 Рік тому
@@JimC Aw I miss that location. It was so much more open than it's current place. You walk through the doors and just as far as you can see there were experiments and things to play with. It's a lot more moderny now, which is fine but it did lose that sense of awe it used to have. I used to go to summer camp there when I was a kid and we would have an hour before it opened with all the exhibits turned on to play around with. Easily the best summer camp experience I can remember.
@JimC Рік тому
@@playr4 Sounds like lots of fun! In Chicago, back in the 60s, when I was around 11, my older brother worked on Saturdays in the Museum of Science and Industry for a time. He worked in the Swift exhibit (hatching chicks, tending a sheep or two and a few baby pigs). I'd usually go with him (if I didn't oversleep :) ). I couldn't go into the museum proper until opening time. But then I'd hightail it to exhibits that were usually crowded later in the day and wander around until closing. I loved it! The Museum has changed a *lot* since then, but if you're ever in Chicago go see it!
@DavidLindes Рік тому
@@JimC interesting about the intent. I don't recall what their signage says on it these days, but I know they've had billiard balls among the other options. The rubber feet sound interesting!
@MikeV8652 Рік тому
You explain things so much better than Veritasium, which I greatly appreciate.
@debadityanath4398 Рік тому
the first two minutes of this video is pure magic, not a single second i got something i expected
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