The ugly truth behind grid-tie solar systems. Part 1, FarmCraft101 solar. Watch before you buy!

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In Part 1, I go through the pros and cons of a grid-tied solar system in detail. We recently had a 9.1kw solar system installed, and even though I am not a solar expert, I learned a lot in the process! Hopefully other can benefit from my experience.
The ugly truth: With a grid-tie system, you cannot use your solar panels in a power outage!
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I will break even on my cost in about 8.5 years. The panels have a 25 year warranty. The grid tied inverter ($1200) has a 10 year warranty. Of course the inverter may last 15 or 20 years. Either way, excepting for possibly replacing the inverter, after 8.5 years this system will be earning almost $2000 per year.
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@DanielRucci
@DanielRucci 5 років тому
Thank you so much for making this video. I think I’ve watched it like four times as i mull over Whether or not to get solar for my house
@ThomasKahn
@ThomasKahn 6 років тому
Excellent video! I’ve watched a lot of videos about solar systems and none of them explain the principles behind them as well as you. I guess you put down some effort in making this. Keep up the good work!
@neilreid9005
@neilreid9005 5 років тому
Really good explanation- thorough and with just enough technical terms. Perfect- many thanks for this effort! Sweet system and really nice property!
@MrPhotographer77
@MrPhotographer77 4 роки тому
I can finally understand how the solar system (this kind) works! Very detailed, very informative, all components involved, etc. Thanks you for your time.
@thomaswalz3515
@thomaswalz3515 6 років тому
Thank you for the clear explanation. Electricity overwhelms me at times, and most other don't explain the process sequentially like you just did, explaining each step on the way. Now, to find funding...
@JM-yx1lm
@JM-yx1lm 3 роки тому
Wait, electricity overwhelms you sometimes? Does that mean you get shocked often o something?
@PlanktoniusRex
@PlanktoniusRex 3 роки тому
Find funding??? If you can't afford to buy it then it is not worth doing. Paying interest on solar is like paying off one credit card with another one. SAVE UP THE MONEY before you buy solar or anything else in life.
@JonHeckendorf
@JonHeckendorf 6 років тому
Excellent presentation. I am a retired electrical engineer who has been dabbling in solar and wind power generation for many decades. My non-grid-tie systems have been small due to the usual high costs and lack of technology. To give a point of reference, I power my garage (mechanical, welding, metal and woodworking shop equipment), outbuildings with refrigerator and freezer, and all outside electrical needs. Basically everything but the house. Now that solar grid-tie equipment is legal, feasible and cheaper by the watt than in the past, I am going to take the plunge and put a system together for my entire property. You have done exactly the same system I want for mine. I subscribed to your channel for more solar videos. Thank you.
@damianbutterworth2434
@damianbutterworth2434 4 роки тому
I found 6 85amp hour caravan batteries was ok for me on my own in a off grid system.
@persistentone3448
@persistentone3448 5 років тому
You did an excellent job of explaining technical aspects of a solar installation.
@dankelley9361
@dankelley9361 3 роки тому
Nice that you have the property for the array that isn’t sitting on your roof! Well produced and thoughtful presented. I’m hoping the pricing will become more affordable over time with new technologies and products entering the market.
@timelkington6838
@timelkington6838 6 років тому
of course great video .....and well built system ....i am intrerested in your battery build and notice that that has not been costed ..plus credit ......i think this is an exciting time of change and you showing that it works helps ...... Tim australia
@frankfromupstateny3796
@frankfromupstateny3796 6 років тому
Outstanding "review", for me on the basics of power and terminology. Cheers.
@richardhead8826
@richardhead8826 5 років тому
I have been debating solar power for a while now and have been watching hundreds of videos for research. This has been HANDS DOWN the most informative video series I have seen to date. I appreciate you sharing your info with me.
@MrSummitville
@MrSummitville 4 роки тому
A location with Daily Direct Sunshine from sunrise to sunset is extremely important for this to work ...
@richardhead8826
@richardhead8826 3 роки тому
@Allen Loser Unfortunately not. It's a bit one sided and Solar powers little brother electricity is kind of angry all the time.
@TheEpoxyExpert
@TheEpoxyExpert Рік тому
Who did you get in a debate with?
@johnnyray34
@johnnyray34 4 роки тому
This video was very informative. it made me feel as if I was back in high school learning it all over again!
@biggdogg285
@biggdogg285 6 років тому
I learned a lot from this video...thanks for the time you took to make it. Much apprciated!
@pbaluyut429
@pbaluyut429 5 років тому
This is one of the best videos I've watch in explaining a solar system. Great job.
@eagle17nz
@eagle17nz 4 роки тому
Hi there. An incredibly informative video. I felt like I was in an online class with not a wasted word. Have ever thought of being a teacher. Even if you are not or ever have been you are a natural teacher. Thank You so much! I subscribed also!
@rogerpearson9081
@rogerpearson9081 5 років тому
Good to see actual outputs from the system and not just the advertising spiel. You can set up the inverter to supply the house during an outage but it adds a lot of cost to put the isolater and changeover switches in. The most cost effective way is to just live with the odd outage and buy a generator so you have backup power even at night. If you hook it up to your house supply, you will still need a grid isolator anyway.
@Scarring3932
@Scarring3932 6 років тому
Easily one of the best videos I’ve seen so far regarding solar. Thank you for posting it.
@skylerg2140
@skylerg2140 4 роки тому
i hope the wind turbines aren't giving you cancer too
@tlinrin887
@tlinrin887 5 років тому
Thanks this has been one of the most informative videos I have found on grif tied solar so far
@1acrehomesteader43
@1acrehomesteader43 3 роки тому
Nice setup! Love your videos. This one answered several of my questions. Thanks for sharing!
@armedmariner
@armedmariner Рік тому
2022 when I’m writing this. I want to thank you for this video. I’m designing a grid tie only system for my house and I needed to see this video. Fabulous description of how solar panel energy can overcome grid impedance and flow backwards through the meter. Nice job explaining that. Thank you. I was the student 5 years after you first published this!!! Smile.
@ortizma13
@ortizma13 6 років тому
Great video! Anyone else notice that at 4:14 his house windows look like a standard 110v outlet?
@modernarchive7502
@modernarchive7502 3 роки тому
miguel ortiz Ha ha ha! I think you hit Peak Geek with that one.
@shawnbixby1
@shawnbixby1 6 років тому
I sincerely appreciate your effort putting this video together. And actually telling us how much the system costs.
@HighTechLab
@HighTechLab 3 роки тому
I like the ironridge racking quite a bit! It's super easy to use.
@nwinblad
@nwinblad 5 років тому
I was listening the whole video for the "ugly truth" and didn't hear it. Maybe you need to re-title this video to Solar Basics or something like that. And thank you for doing this.
@cularu1
@cularu1 5 років тому
It's very expensive.
@heathkearns1378
@heathkearns1378 5 років тому
@@meauxjeaux431 It's definitely true that it's smart to increase your home's efficiency before investing in solar, but I don't think a 10-12 year payback is bad. What else can one invest in that will actually pay for itself and generate significant profit over it's life span? 7-10% a year return is on par with the stock market although it doesn't compound. The upside is there's no risk. You have a warranted product that is guaranteed to produce power for 25+ years. As utility rates go up, your benefit increases. Solar actually requires very little maintenance and you can often extend inverter warranties up to 25 years. Sounds like your sales person didn't do a very good job of setting your expectations realistically.
@pobvic
@pobvic 5 років тому
@@heathkearns1378 I don't think there are many companies small or large that would accept a 12 year payback on any investment. Even working in manufacturing with tight margins a 5 year payback was acceptable, in Oil and Gas it is usually less. If the companies won't accept 12 year payback why should the little guy accept that burden.
@heathkearns1378
@heathkearns1378 5 років тому
@@pobvic Yeah I can't argue that business has different benchmarks for making an investment. Although I think you underestimate people's interest in the social and environmental benefits, as well as marketing opportunity sustainability provides. On an individual household level though, people spend $20k+ on home improvements like bathroom and kitchen remodels every day. The payback is experiential, not financial. Solar is both.
@pobvic
@pobvic 5 років тому
@@heathkearns1378 I wasn't trying to knock peoples interest in the enviroment. But I think the prices are being kept high by excessive and sometimes outdated code restrictions and policies. As for marketing, I don't think you would recoup the cost of the install in added value to your home when selling.
@robertdoell4321
@robertdoell4321 6 років тому
Absolutely BY FAR the best explanation of the system without extraneous information.
@aaronb483
@aaronb483 6 років тому
Robert Doell I agree
@100brucebrown
@100brucebrown 4 роки тому
I agree. Much more information
@stevebrannon69
@stevebrannon69 6 років тому
We have a 3.5 kw system that I installed almost 5 years ago. This system cost about $15,000. I saved about $3500 by installing it myself. After the Federal rebate it cost about $8,500. In talking to a property appraiser, solar systems are somewhat like swimming pools and you get about 50% return if you sell. Our system produces almost all the power we need. We saved approximately $900 the first year. Instead of having $8,000 in the bank making 1% ours is on the roof making about 11% tax free. Our electric rates are increasing almost 6% per year. So is solar a good technology? I think it is.
@FarmCraft101
@FarmCraft101 6 років тому
Agree. It's nice when it's good for the environment and your pocketbook at the same time!
@Mekratrig
@Mekratrig 6 років тому
stevebrannon69 - I live in Southern California, a few days ago attended a presentation for solar where I learned our commercial power utility is the most expensive in the country, and rates are going to skyrocket in the next 5 years. Will likely pull the trigger on a no-up-front-cost leased solar system in the next few days. Monthly cost is projected to be roughly the same as what goes to the utility company now, and it WON'T go up. It really irks me that the system shuts down if the grid goes down. But if lucky, the cost of adding a battery backup will continue to drop, and it can be retrofitted at a future date.
@GarthKlaus
@GarthKlaus 6 років тому
Mekratrig Be very cautious with a leased system. There were companies in Northern California doing some very disreputable things with leases. The homeowner ended up paying way more for the lease than they ever would just from the utility company. I recall there being a number of lawsuits in process, but I never followed up to see how they ended.
@onesilentarrow
@onesilentarrow 6 років тому
Mekratrig NO! DO NOT LEASE!! You will regret it!
@MakerMark
@MakerMark 6 років тому
stevebrannon69 until the electric company and paid for politicians change the law...arizona florida utah. and screw you over.
@fungames7403
@fungames7403 5 років тому
The most important thing to me that makes the cost worth it is you learn how to provide power on your own. The cost for power will continue to rise even when power companies have surplus. In my area we were informed there will be brown outs implying shortage and going to raise the bill but then against people installing solar. If you are interested in doing solar but worry about cost then start with a smaller project it is rewarding and it is a good skill to learn. It is also a fun project.
@davidmuniz5307
@davidmuniz5307 5 років тому
Really informative video. I learned a lot from your examples and simplifications of the process. Thank you
@barry7608
@barry7608 5 років тому
So nice to hear someone who actually knows what he's talking about. Interesting vid
@skylerg2140
@skylerg2140 4 роки тому
If you think he "KNOWS" what hes talking about, wait til a real solar installer takes the mic.
@probablynotabigtoe9407
@probablynotabigtoe9407 4 роки тому
Hey is definetly confused on some details and half truths on others... You will actually lose more production running DC to the house that far, instead of putting the inverter at the array and making a long AC run. While his Voltage drop example isn't wrong, it doesn't paint the whole picture. The way they ran it does save them upfront install cost due to lower gauge wire use, but it lost them a very slight production gain from the other settup.
@acmefixer1
@acmefixer1 3 роки тому
Thanks for the informative video. I like the way the panels are mounted away from the bldgs, but I've seen some stones thrown by mowers and even vandals break glass and panels. I think I would have the panels mounted higher, and be able to used underneath as shelter from the elements. I'm not sure where all the pop-up suggestions were coming from but they were too numerous and obnoxious.
@willc5512
@willc5512 2 роки тому
Thats a good point. Im getting a system & live in a area where ppl love destroyig other peoples things. My panels are going to be high on the roof.My sun side faces away from the front sidewalk.
@BealRutcher
@BealRutcher 6 років тому
Thanks for your explanation ... good work. That high voltage might be something to really consider.
@adamcecere3369
@adamcecere3369 5 років тому
Good explanation on how Grid Tie works. I'm running Off Grid with changeover switch to Grid. Expanding setup but currently 1K4 PV with 8K7W Batteries backup. A battery system is the way to go.
@MiltunaMusic
@MiltunaMusic 6 років тому
The 'newish' SMA SB5.0-US or SMA 6.0-US are grid tie string inverters that will output 2kW emergency power direct from your array during daylight hours if the grid fails without any storage. I bought the 6kW for around $1320 2016-17. I have installed 3 units and they are very solid and well engineered with 3 MPPT channels each. BTW excellent video...one of the best I've seen... I run a small home/hotel and reduced my cost from $13000/yr to $3200/yr with a DIY 10kW system with tracking for $23000 Actual estimated return of cost
@mistersolarpv
@mistersolarpv 3 роки тому
Thank you for posting this comment. I was just getting ready to order a few grid tied inverter and didn't like the idea of having solar but no power during outages. I know this comment is two years old but my family will have power when power goes out because you posted.
@whatta7793
@whatta7793 Рік тому
How did you go about solar tracking with 10kw of panels? Very interested in learning more about solar tracking on larger systems!
@JoeyRodz74
@JoeyRodz74 6 років тому
Wait a minute. Geeky solar panels? Perfectly describing parallel/series? Cheesy cutaway attempts at jokes? Masterfully using water flow to describe voltage and current??? You are a fellow EE, aren't you? :-) Excellent video. I particularly enjoyed that you showed the structural components of your array. Nice in-focus, steady and clear shots of the undercarriage stuff. Great job at describing the complex setup in easy to understand terms.
@middletonrei8719
@middletonrei8719 5 років тому
Easily looks like something I could do. Just bought 1.4acres in rural Kentucky and want alternative energy for my property. Not too happy about tieing to the grid.
@audiosreality
@audiosreality 5 років тому
EE electrical engineer right? I'm guessing he's likely a JM as he actually has a working system not just a badly designed mess lol
@SamaritanElad
@SamaritanElad 4 роки тому
@@middletonrei8719 Then don't. Too many regs & costs. Go fully off-lind and add wind power sys. too
@aussiemanlyman2138
@aussiemanlyman2138 6 років тому
most of the inverters on the market today have a single outlet feature that will have power during a blackout from the grid. They are not designed to supply enough power for your whole house, but enough to run a fridge, medical equipment etc. These have been around for a while now, I don't know when your system was installed, but video was uploaded October 2017, these inverters have been around since 2016. I do know it's hard for the average person to know whats available, mainly because the industry moves so quickly, also the agent selling the system doesn't bother learning what the options are for every component.
@thebestmotoroil101
@thebestmotoroil101 5 років тому
This video had excellent analogies with the water.
@StoneyRidgeFarmer
@StoneyRidgeFarmer 4 роки тому
Enjoyed this walk around...we're getting ready to build our home and have space for solar setup...this was helpful
@amoshopson7923
@amoshopson7923 3 роки тому
I enjoy your content!
@Chris_at_Home
@Chris_at_Home 3 роки тому
Thanks for this input. We have an off grid cabin but have been looking for something for our home. Our eastern horizon is 20 miles away and our western horizon it between 45 and 100 miles. I wired the home with a sub panel with all the critical things except the pump. I think I’m going to just get batteries and power the subpanel with solar. Our cabin has a 48v 4Kw inverter and 8 months a year we run on the sun. It is off the road and we have a freezer and washing machine there.
@arthurperrea3714
@arthurperrea3714 2 роки тому
300 watt panel does that.produce that per.hr the sun is shining example 4x300 =1200 watts
@Bob_Adkins
@Bob_Adkins 5 років тому
Great video, thanks! Awesome setup, just what I would have if I ever decided take the plunge. It appears you have a water tank under your panels to rinse them. Many people don't realize that even a light haze of dust can rob you of 10-20% of your panel's output, so they must be cleaned often and endlessly.
@Gunn81
@Gunn81 4 роки тому
Not true!
@shrujanamsyama9940
@shrujanamsyama9940 2 роки тому
Not true. Light dust only reduces the generation by 2-3% as most of the dust is blown off during winds and hence dust does not accumulate. Now if you are in a very heavy dust area, yes, there will be 20% off but is unlikely to be that dusty in residential areas
@Bob_Adkins
@Bob_Adkins 2 роки тому
@@shrujanamsyama9940 Solar panels are at their best in dry, sunny semi-arid or arid climates. They don't fare well in rainy or cloudy areas. Dust goes with dry, sunny areas. Personally, my area is so damp that algae grows on the glass, and it takes a lot of scrubbing 3-4 times a year to get the green slime off. In a month's time, my panels can go from almost full rating to about 85% until I scrub the algae off. If I had a lot of panels, I couldn't keep up.
@shrujanamsyama9940
@shrujanamsyama9940 2 роки тому
@@Bob_Adkins Algae growth is different from dust. Algae are plants and can grow to cover entire surfaces. But dust doesn't just grow like that. Even in dry areas like in the deserts, the amount of dust tend to be low as most of the finer top soil is eroded and the thicker particles don't cause much of a dust. The thicker, natural dust in dry areas only reduces the solar intensity by a maximum of 10% as after that the dust reaches a saturation point. The major dust problem arises near mining quarries, construction sites etc where fine particles of dust tend to fly around sticking to surfaces. This type of dust can reduce solar power significantly.
@chief5981
@chief5981 2 роки тому
@@Bob_Adkins Bob, I have to respectfully disagree. I work for a solar company in central KY doing installs and tech work. We tell our customers to wash them once a year if they can (roof mounts can be dangerous). I have seen plenty of dusty/dirty/ algae covered systems that are still running full production when it’s bright out. (15% is a little exaggerated). They’re surprisingly resilient. But.. because you were in the 4th ID your pretty cool in my book
@corbonzo1
@corbonzo1 6 років тому
great video, thank you very much for such a simplistic straight to the point personal experience and knowledge.
@mikedalakis5292
@mikedalakis5292 2 роки тому
Great video, clear/easy to follow your explanations. I watched it because I'm trying to understand why too much solar power could destabilize the grid system(that's what we are told). So far I have not found any sound technical reason. But I can see that it impacts the economics of power companies.
@tauruslake6918
@tauruslake6918 6 років тому
You have a really good way of explaining the details of this and making it easy to understand - thanks for the great video!!
@regnadkcin9108
@regnadkcin9108 4 роки тому
Interesting, thanks! Would you consider experimenting with covering panels to see how much the optimizers help? You seemed uncertain of the improvement they claim to provide.
@battlejohnson9579
@battlejohnson9579 4 роки тому
The optimizersbdo work with the solar edge system, I have installed 1000,s of systems and of all types. You only need optimizers or a micro inverter(enphase) if you have a shading conditon. Iif I did have a shading condition I would personally stay away from solar edge due to in my own experience 3 out of 5 fail (mother board fries). Good video nailed most of details right, getting those conductors in a conduit and not fmc/lfmc(flexible conduit) would like much cleaner. And as far as the disconnect, you don't need a disconnect per wire(phase) you get a disconnect that has the proper poles and throws for your application.
@rodneyhhillsr6088
@rodneyhhillsr6088 4 роки тому
BattleJohnson if you won’t use optimizers and did have a shading problem, what can be done other than moving the panels?
@probablynotabigtoe9407
@probablynotabigtoe9407 4 роки тому
Its not just a claim Optimizers do help... I wouldn't recommend an install without them, they aren't cheap but good long term. Especially if you have a system with monitoring software, easy troubleshooting if one panel stops performing.
@hepburn118
@hepburn118 5 років тому
I'm getting a system of the same size as you put in here in South Australia but I'm getting a 12KwH battery too and we can run it during a blackout. It comes with blackout protection and we can nominate two rooms in the house to keep live in a blackout. Handy feature really.
@MrSummitville
@MrSummitville 4 роки тому
You call batteries, "a handy feature". I call it, a financial LOSS. An AC Generator is much more cost effective.
@capefear3297
@capefear3297 5 років тому
Nice system. I'm leaning toward a 10.2 kw micro-inverter system.
@DIYTechRepairs
@DIYTechRepairs 6 років тому
Perhaps not Ugly truth more of this is how it works :) good video! I have 17kW on my roof with 100kWh battery bank and can work all year now. I cover 100% 10/12 months if power goes out. Last 2 months i will survive but not without lowering consumption. Its worth mentioning that we have not changed our useage and during winter we only get 10% compare to summer..... Solar is very interesting but there are so many systems out there so its easy to get fooled if you dont know what you are working with.
@DIYTechRepairs
@DIYTechRepairs 6 років тому
Decent size system. Soon to have another 30kWh of battery storage :)
@marvinm4u
@marvinm4u 6 років тому
Wow! For that cost, wouldn't it be cheaper to run a LPG generator and have a very large tank?
@malcolmdastur4411
@malcolmdastur4411 6 років тому
Hope this will store your excess energy so you don't buy back at retail price.
@malcolmdastur4411
@malcolmdastur4411 6 років тому
Spend as much as you can afford as it will pay dividends in the end. Electricity company prices rising every year.
@boracay12
@boracay12 6 років тому
and you did not divulge how much that cost you , of course its tens of thousands , enough to give the ordinary man a heart attack . and will take decades to break even .
@markbrown3587
@markbrown3587 6 років тому
There are many grid tied systems that have battery backup as well so one can continue to use the solar even when the power company is down.
@RS-ls7mm
@RS-ls7mm 6 років тому
I had a battery backup for a short time. They were way too expensive but I needed it because the power went down a lot. And the batteries need to be replaced every 5 years at great expense. Wasn't worth it.
@ppipowerclass
@ppipowerclass 6 років тому
It depends on what kind of batteries you get. Exide Heritage G batteries ( they're about 3 feet tall, 2 feet wide ) have an expected duty life of 50 years. The average Joe probably can't get those. They are used in commercial phone offices for their battery back ups ( that's why old home phones would always still work when the regular power went out ). A Tesla Powerwall would be a better solution when the 2nd generation of those are released, but even then, they only have a 10 year warranty, and will probably be around $5,000.
@FarmCraft101
@FarmCraft101 6 років тому
If it has battery backup, then it is a hybrid system, not a grid tied system. Grid tied means just that, grid tied, no backup. Off grid is off grid with backup. Hybrid is a combination of the two. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/n4Cql6-sjYCQpJs.html
@JeanPierreWhite
@JeanPierreWhite 6 років тому
When you say Hybrid do you mean grid fallback?
@JeanPierreWhite
@JeanPierreWhite 6 років тому
@Jeremy H. The Powerwall does have a 10 year warranty, however their warranty is superior to many of their competitors because it is for unlimited cycles during the 10 year period. Other manufacturers limit the number of cycles as well put a fix calendar term on their battery storage warranties.
@WisdomInExperience
@WisdomInExperience 6 років тому
I have watched all your videos in this series. You have excellent presentation skills and its filled with wisdom. You are amazing and share what you know to greatest detail. Thanks a lot of sharing. Please keep making such videos. I want to ask, why did you not use the space below the solar panels to build your electrical room to handle all kind of stuff from inverters, charge controllers & batteries ? That would have saved you from running a DC wire underground.
@FarmCraft101
@FarmCraft101 6 років тому
Because I'm transmitting at 360V DC, it's actually better to transmit with the DC line than the AC lines, which are 2 120V lines. DC has less losses in power transmission anyway, even at the same voltage. It's just seldom used with solar historically because typically the voltage of the DC lines is much lower than the AC voltage. Thanks for the kind words!
@RadioTrefoil
@RadioTrefoil 4 роки тому
Very good presentation. Just one concern. I know this is a fairly old video with respect to the pace of cheapening photovoltaics, but $17K USD still seems like a lot for a 9.1kW system - especially seeing as you got a ground mounted multicrystalline array. This figure is not including the batteries right? I would be interested to see a price breakdown for this. I guess it doesn't matter too much as you still get a fairly good rate of return. For reference, I got a premium quality 10kW system installed on a 2nd storey roof for $15K AUD unsubsidised (about $10K USD), with SunPower mono IBC cells + SMA inverters which is pretty much the most expensive combo you can get. In Australia, large price differences between similar systems are mostly accounted for depending on the installer (ie. dodgy installers will charge much less for labour). My installer is one of the more expensive ones as they are accredited by the Government regulator and trade renewable energy certificates on our behalf, so it's not as if I cheaped out on labour costs either.
@anythinguploads2161
@anythinguploads2161 5 років тому
They have some grid tie inverters out now that one can plug into and still get power in a black out as long as the sun is up. Great video!
@bikingtheholyland3333
@bikingtheholyland3333 4 роки тому
@Zaithe "secure power outlet" or similar....
@peterwilson2723
@peterwilson2723 3 роки тому
@EyeOfOdin >
@kittimcconnell2633
@kittimcconnell2633 5 років тому
We are about to purchase a solar array kit (12 panels, I believe? 3.6kW) and your video is very instructive and helpful! I understand amperage, wattage and inverters much better now. Thank you for posting it.
@SolarizeYourLife
@SolarizeYourLife 5 років тому
Buy some batteries, costly, but gets you 'off' the grid!
@stanleycates1972
@stanleycates1972 3 роки тому
Very nice presentation. The off grid system needs a standby gen. and transfer switch. I'm concerned about starting a 5 hp compressor and the surge required, am assuming the grid is used to start an AC. Pretty smart inverter.
@bonniehoke-scedrov4906
@bonniehoke-scedrov4906 4 роки тому
This is my first time enjoying your UKposts channel. Great work! I’m looking forward to more great content from you. Thank you so much!
@akhbarmohammed4902
@akhbarmohammed4902 6 років тому
oh man..wish my teacher had told me about water hose idea to explain Volts and amps. I'm 37 and now i get it!
@scottfranco1962
@scottfranco1962 6 років тому
:-) your power meter is in the witness protection program...
@silvosivonen592
@silvosivonen592 4 роки тому
yot dj8⁸⁸
@silvosivonen592
@silvosivonen592 4 роки тому
Fromm
@guzziventure1750
@guzziventure1750 4 роки тому
You gave a good, no-nonsense insight. As I expect from a farmer(!).
@Nullzero98
@Nullzero98 6 років тому
So much great info, thank you for all the explainations
@ek9772
@ek9772 5 років тому
One of the best explanations out there of how a solar system works, and the positive financial impact of residential solar systems.
@Stevey_B
@Stevey_B 6 років тому
Great video thank you!
@shimes424
@shimes424 5 років тому
11:11 I think that applies to PARALLEL. Those are just diodes to prevent backflow of electricity. Someone just made a decent waterproof module (for they need to be in between each panel), benefits were popular, others copied it, eventually became cheap enough that every panel has one.
@HomesteadEngineering
@HomesteadEngineering 5 років тому
Very nice job explaining grid tied solar, one of the best! FYI, my (8k) hybrid, off grid system will payback in 12 years. The number one reason to have an off grid system is for self reliance. I will have power even if there is a zombie apocalypse.
@gilbertgauger3380
@gilbertgauger3380 Рік тому
Well done video. As a master electrician with a background in physics and engineering I have however chosen to not become involved with any system that does not include on site storage. Having been involved with co-generation in various forms from small rural windmills to industrial heat reclamation projects since the early eighties I have seen the mandated beginnings of ‘net metering’ all the way to the current phase out of that model. That mandate occurred during the era of mechanical metering and the added cost of dual metering made most small installations unfeasible at that time. I disagree, as a matter of principle, that taking advantage of modern electronic metering which makes possible grid ties feasible, and thus using the grid as ‘storage’ is not a fair and equitable system under net metering. Obviously the courts and regulators agree with my position as net metering is now on the way out. The proper analysis in my position is always grid tied for reliability, net zero draw from the grid under normal operations, and on site storage for management of the differential between electrical generation and load times. This of course comes at a significantly higher initial investment and longer payback. As examples of my rational I offer disagreement about your statement regarding selling excess production to your neighbor. If that is your goal then you should route your own cables to your neighbor’s property. Using the grid instead takes unfair advantage of the utility company’s infrastructure and is also an unfair usurpation of the company’s business model of producing electricity at wholesale and selling at retail like all other free market capitalized businesses. Plus utilities may be monopolies, but they are very much regulated monopolies. They, like all other businesses, are entitled to charge for their services and make a profit for the shareholders albeit regulated under government oversight. One very big fallacy of solar is hidden in that need to store that energy. We are making it when it is not needed. Dumping it to the grid is actually a very poor choice for a myriad of reasons besides the unfairness of the net metering issue. It is a logistical night mare for grid operations on a system that was engineered and constructed to transport power from a centralized source to distributed loads. Things were ok when only a handful of installations were involved and thus net metering made some sense. But with more widespread adoption of the technology these points I am raising have become critical issues. In addition your description regarding the inverter’s ability to manage the direction of power flow is a very good analog of what is occurring but not technically accurate. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the concept of power factor in electrical circuits. You very clearly have the basic understanding of electricity to grasp and add this concept to your tool kit. Once so you will realize that the electronics management utilizes phase angle to perform its management of power flow. Again, we’ll done and thank you for consideration of my position.
@stevo61
@stevo61 6 років тому
A few months ago, we put in a SMA 5.3 Kw system. We bought the secure power option. Instead of shutting down the system to avoid the anti-islanding situation, the system diverts the power to one outlet with 2000w available. We just had hurricane Irma blow through and lost power for 4 days. The secure power system worked like having a 2K generator that worked from 9am-6. This might be a half-way solution. It's much cheaper than putting in the battery backup but obviously we had to use a generator at night.
@FarmCraft101
@FarmCraft101 6 років тому
I remember looking at an inverter that had that option. Sunny boy? Yeah, that's a cool feature. I'm hoping in the future all the grid tied systems will have outputs like that. How does it work on a partly cloudy day where the sun is going in and out?
@luida9332
@luida9332 6 років тому
The inverter is the only thing between the panels and the meter, hence the inverter senses the grid is down and stops functioning, in other words the inverter shuts down and the DC (direct current) generated by the panels continues to flow as a circuit. Last, the company prevents islanding by working with local governments to create codes for installation. Therefore, if your system is rogue, your house will become an island and feed back to the power pole and possibly hurt someone.
@onesilentarrow
@onesilentarrow 6 років тому
LUIDA93 Such bullshit. They all have FVDs in their belts and around their neck to detect any foreign or unknown voltage. The codes and laws are there to keep their fucking profits rolling in.
@luida9332
@luida9332 6 років тому
Your thoughts are on track. There is always some loss of energy as friction, also known as resistance, which causes heat. This is how heaters work. Intuitively, this means that while flowing as a circuit, they do loose some power, but consumption is irrelevant. The job of the solar panels is to make a reaction within them, just like batteries, and create electricity. Because the panels are connected to the terminals of the inverter or batteries, there can be a connection between the negative and positive wire, creating a circuit. (It is important to note that in a DC system, energy is always flowing in one direction, in a loop, therefore we call it a circuit when energy can flow freely though both hot wires - positive and negative) Back to the workings of the panel. If there is a circuit, the panels will continue to produce electricity because the electrons have a path to take and some energy will be lost as heat. Otherwise, if there is no load to feed, the electrons in the panels are happy ( with their ideal number of electrons ) and do not create a current.
@luida9332
@luida9332 6 років тому
I don't doubt that they have ways of seeing that someone is creating a current, but there is truth to what they are saying. When repairs are needed, the parts and lines have to be disconnected and if someone is back feeding, it becomes a dangerous task. That being said, it does benefit the power company a lot, and they do like to play with our pockets. So for them to be able to justify this just sweetens the deal.
@SmedleyButler1
@SmedleyButler1 Рік тому
Great explanation of how power goes back to the grid. Were those reliable brands you used hybrid inverters not around back then? (Allowing you to get one instead of 2 inverters?)
@pennywagner8487
@pennywagner8487 4 роки тому
Thanks for your production of this informative video. You can make your own lithium battery packs. That will be old tech in about a year. Old , but obsolete. Prices will be about a 1/4 to compete with the new stuff. Can you say Carboneze.
@MarkMinistries
@MarkMinistries 5 років тому
could you show a breakdown of the cost of the $17,000 system?
@satakrionkryptomortis
@satakrionkryptomortis 4 роки тому
most of it is for the solar panels. i planned and installed systems like that about 10 years ago.
@Psi-Storm
@Psi-Storm 4 роки тому
$4000 panels, $2000 inverter, $1000 mounting and cables, $2000 work. $9000 total. If you want it on a tilted roof instead of a field you can probably add another 3k for the complexity. $23000 for the system is bonkers.
@Psi-Storm
@Psi-Storm 3 роки тому
@Omar Williams You should watch the video again. He was talking about the grid tied system with the mentioned price, the inverter with dc charger plus batteries are additional upgrades.
@mauricerostaing4281
@mauricerostaing4281 4 роки тому
Hi Being on the grid there are monthly cost you would have to add. Here in Alberta are monthly charge for electricity is cheap it’s the monthly fees just to be hooked to the grid. Example out of a $200.00 bill 50.00 to 60.00 is the electricity charge the rest is fees. So in my case without money conversion 17,000.00/60.00= 23 years to pay for it self. On grid you could use no power and you would still have a ton of fees depending on where you live. Thanks for listening.
@lhffan
@lhffan 2 роки тому
You can always sell your surplus and use ev
@thurnishaley24
@thurnishaley24 2 роки тому
Maurice you came off like a huge douche with that ending just saying
@212driller
@212driller Рік тому
We are looking into it I. Calgary and it seems not worth it just due to this.
@BaZiL614
@BaZiL614 Рік тому
Use small setup
@angelabaxter6298
@angelabaxter6298 Рік тому
Hi. I am from South Africa. What are the maintenance costs. I meen how long does this installation s
@womblestacker7993
@womblestacker7993 4 роки тому
I use to fit massive system on farms in UK , but government made it impossible for people to make a profit and it all stopped so much for wanting us to go green
@kst357
@kst357 4 роки тому
A configuration I was planning was to run my main circuit panel off a battery bank where the float charge would be set a couple of volts above the average grid voltage. The solar panels and wind turbines would charge the battery bank and when my usage exceeds my generating capacity the grid would provide the extra current by feeding the battery charger or rectifier. A CT or voltage sensor would be connected to the grid source and if the grid goes down an auto-disconnect switch would open and separate us from the grid until it went live again. This would allow us to run off the batteries during outages and if the outage went on for too long and the battery dropped below an assigned voltage the generator would kick in and start charging the batteries until the grid power was restored. This setup would allow you run free of the grid during outages and also be able to backfeed the grid when the power being created exceeds your usage. An auto-disconnect switch & battery bank with the appropriate AC & DC chargers is expensive but I think the benefits would be worth it. The trick is to determine how long the average outage lasts, what your home needs in regards to minimum wattage or amps during an outage, and then size your storage battery and generating capacity to meet those needs. Since I have a couple of generators we'll probably start with only as many batteries as we can afford and then add 2 batteries at a time until we reach our storage capacity goal. Keep in mind that if you need 2 phase or 220v power for A/C, heat, or cooking, you'll need to run 2 sets of batteries in your battery bank to provide the two 110v phases for your 220v appliances. So if you absolutely need 220v power then expect to pay twice the amount for the number of batteries you'll need for a 2 phase battery bank than if you only required single-phase 110v service.
@shawncockrell6007
@shawncockrell6007 4 роки тому
With the new inverters, they simply disconnect from the grid during power outages, but you still get power until the sun goes down, unless you also have batteries, then it never goes out, but batteries are expensive, a generator is much cheaper than batteries.
@SolarizeYourLife
@SolarizeYourLife 5 років тому
At any rate, you're helping save natural gas coal for future use! Side note- America should rid of 120 v, yes America uses a split 120/120 v power box, and go strictly 240 v to all outlets! You don't need to bring three wires into a house you would only need two, that's a cost-saving right there!!! We could have double power with 240 v. On the same outlets that you have now! 120 v is plain stupid wasteful... Just curious but why are the panels so far away from your house?
@CraftedChannel
@CraftedChannel 4 роки тому
Maybe because I'm thinking about a pole barn (like all the time!) I'm wondering why not take advantage of this as a shed roof? Someplace to store tractor or implements out of direct rain. Maybe even simply a shady spot for a picnic table. Liked the video, I'm just a one tract mind lately. ;-) It's been 2 years I see, going to look for an update video.
@chrisstratton987
@chrisstratton987 4 роки тому
FC101, You sir, are a damn genius!!! Thank you for the video!!!!
@regthibodeau965
@regthibodeau965 6 років тому
I have a 3.2K grid-tied system, which works perfectly fine when the grid is down. I have a switch box which disconnects the system from the grid when I throw the lever. This is one of the reasons I chose a grid-tied system, after experiencing quite a few down-times from our rural electric co-op.
@terrytexas8257
@terrytexas8257 6 років тому
I'm at the same point. I've built my own 18650 battery back up system at 48V and about to have a 9000W system installed. I've been looking at the Schneider as well as the Outback for my system. The DIY powerwall group I belong to, no one discusses final assembly of their system and what equipment they use and why they chose that equipment, which in my mind is the most important part, I'm really looking forward to the next video, and if it is already out please provide me a link....I can't find it in your list.
@FarmCraft101
@FarmCraft101 6 років тому
Not out yet. Subscribe and hit the bell and you will get a notification. Thanks for watching!
@deborahfont8697
@deborahfont8697 5 років тому
Hi, we are planning off grid and going with 8k. We are building, welding, cutting metals, heat lamps, grow lamps and all the appliances in a home. The home will be 2-40' containers and a mother in law suite 2-20' containers and a small farm. Do you have a diagram of your work or what products was used and will be used in your upgrades. Thanks for your help.
@ShamanElementalLord
@ShamanElementalLord 4 роки тому
Very informative. Am trying school myself into a bit of electric insight. This video did wonders for me. Thanks for that. Quick question though: the so-called optimizer .. is that the same as today's micro inverters?
@heinvandenheuvel
@heinvandenheuvel 3 роки тому
late reply - no, optimizers work at the DC level 'in series' together feeding a central inverter at up to 500 Volts DC delievring your 240V AC line. With Micro Inverters each panel, sometimes a few lower wattage panels together, deliver AC line voltage (240) in parallel. Let's say a panel delivers 250W. The panel itself delivers that DC at say 25 Volts, 10 Amps (10*25=250) a micro inverter will convert to AC at 240 Volts with some losses at 1 Amp (for 240 *1 = 240W). Fine. Now 1 panel gets shaded and delivers only 20% = 50 Watts. Well, the Micro-inverter will simply just deliver a shade under 0.2 Amp now for almost 50 watts. In the optimizer case, all the other panels still want to push 10 Amps, and the shaded one follows this by only delivering 5 Volts instead of its nominal 25 V as 5*10 = 50 is all it can deliver. How? By using a DC to DC converter!
@watsoncali25
@watsoncali25 4 роки тому
Thanks for your videos, but I have a question. Could you show a wire diagram or a video of one array where it starts from the wire to the optimizer, to the panel to the next panel?
@bobscharding9922
@bobscharding9922 6 років тому
I liked the explanation right up to the discussion of optimizers, where I disagree. My take on optimizers, is that they are good for when there is an under-performing panel, also optimizers and microinverters, can give you information via apps. I didn't see any trees or anything else to block the sun and your system is accessible. Your panels already get the same amount of sun and you can visually inspect for and clean, dirt and snow. If you see poor system performance, you can test circuits to find a bad panel. 3 string-disconnects may help with that too. At 50-$70 each, plus the installation, you may have paid as much as $3000 for an unnecessary component, especially since you seem to be a hands-on person. The max residential voltage is 600v, so you could have done 2 strings.
@FarmCraft101
@FarmCraft101 6 років тому
The main reason is I purchased my solar as part of a cooperative, meaning I get a great deal on the price, but I have to take their "standard" installation setup. I didn't have an option of picking a different inverter or eliminating optimizers. That being said, I see on my monitoring dashboard that all the panels don't actually generate the same. While the differences are slight, without the optimizers I would be pulled back to the lowest panel, which would add up over time. It will also make a difference if snow or leaves, or even bird poop gets on some of the panels periodically. It's nice that it monitors my panel output for me automatically, as I have many, MANY other things that I am constantly monitoring on the farm. Thanks for watching!
@gregcollins3404
@gregcollins3404 6 років тому
I have two solar systems running side by side each with 12 Trina 230watt panels. The older Xantrex inverter beats the newer SolarEdge inverter every day.
@stevepailet8258
@stevepailet8258 6 років тому
if you had been able to use micro inverters at each panel would have cost a bit more than the optimizers. 120 for inverters vs 60.. so they would have cost you a bit 1800 for the micro inverters. meaning smaller wire to the house from the array. This would have eliminated the central inverter so pretty much break even. If a micro inverter dies.. you are only looking at perhaps 150 bucks vs 2000 for a new central inverter.
@SolarizeYourLife
@SolarizeYourLife 5 років тому
@@stevepailet8258 but with micro inverters you would never have access to the DC power to charge batteries directly! Meaning if the grid goes down you still have access to the panels power! Microinverters would cut you off...
@stevepailet8258
@stevepailet8258 5 років тому
@@SolarizeYourLife interesting . because one does not have to install the entire system with micro inverters easy enough to run some panels unconverted dc so one could do heating of water or run a charge controller. From what I am seeing they now have some hybrid inverters that will allow for running off of batteries even though one is connected to the grid. My thinking is that with fore thought one can install a smaller charge controller and separate inverter just for pulling power for things like minimal lighting and refrigeration. I think that people tend to think in a linear fashion rather than in what might be closer to 3d chess
@brentcurry8376
@brentcurry8376 6 років тому
So, sorry I know its minor details but there is a very common misnomer that annoys the hell out of most Electrical Engineers... power dose 'not', just "flow in the path of least resistance". Where the misnomer comes from is it is true that 'more' power will flow along the path of least resistance. But unless the circuit is designed correctly with the correct controllers and/or limiting Diodes to conduct the electricity where you want it to go, electricity will always flow through all available paths... A better analogy would be, if you had a 5 gallon bucket and you drilled a 2" hole in the bottom and a 1" hole next to in on the bottom, then you plug the holes, then fill with water; If you could pull both plugs simultaneously the 2" hole would obviously have a larger flow/volume then the 1" hole. But its VERY important to notate that you will still have flow out both holes unless circuit/inverter is properly designed/set up... Considering your giving advice to the potential "shade tree", "DIY'er", "sudo-Electrical engineers" that could be handling an out-put of even a fraction of the amount you are describing is easily in the range of being a potentially lethal power flow....
@ScoopDogg
@ScoopDogg 5 років тому
I scrolled down looking for somebody to say this, so i didnt have to : ) thankyou my faith in E.E restored from an Old UK Sparky
@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi
@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi 5 років тому
Brent Curry Ok, if thats true, explain this, When i was around 6years old I took a massive long extension lead, pluged it into a three phase outlet in a shed and ran the lead out to a sandpit, id installed a massive electric motor in a sandcastle style mound that id also wet down to make the sand more malleable. I then cut the end of the cable, seperated the wires apart enough, switched on the power and went back to hook up the cables to the motor like i did with my mini solar motor kits, i had no shoes on, barefeet in wet sand, being a kid i took the wires and touched them onto the motor, but it arked, jumped and the cables stuck onto my palm. i had entry burns and an exit burn mark on my hand, I remember looking at it and how it felt like a snake was biting me and burrowing deep into my hand, i somehow pulled it off and afterwards shook like crazy and the power cable would of been about 40m long, 250v and it still earthed back to the shed not into me. I remember going back to the shed, turning it off and unplugging it winding it up and hiding everything back. but It didn't take every available path, only back down the third wire which was earth. back 40m to the shed. it never earthed out thru my wet feet nor crossed my heart thank godness. I had to waste the day in hospital and the dr was aparently doing some sort of study into electrical stuff, they were aparently really interested by the whole situation, all i knew was i had a burn, my ass was red from the smack i got from doing exactly what id been told not to do and i also got icecream i think as a kinda glad your still alive present hahaha Gave me a.nice scar and my dad always promised to make me tell the electrician that id done exactly what he said not to do....hahahaha lucky i guess?
@avenage
@avenage 4 роки тому
@@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi perhaps your body had more resistance than the earth wire, so it used only your hand to get to the earth wire.
@lesleegrinnell8531
@lesleegrinnell8531 6 років тому
Great video!!! Thanks for the detail ,, and in depth explaination
@benjover5663
@benjover5663 4 роки тому
Man you're good at teaching -thank you!
@99somerville
@99somerville 6 років тому
It appears that the panels could have been installed much closer to the house, therefore using a smaller length of wire (cheaper and less voltage drop). I'm guessing these were placed farther away for aesthetics.
@ronb6182
@ronb6182 6 років тому
I would use higher voltage on the solar panels maybe not 48 volts but 96 volts instead. you could even wire the home for DC instead of AC and no inverter needed. AC DC motors would work for appliances and most electronics already run on DC you just need to install Voltage Regulators.
@TheVergile
@TheVergile 5 років тому
or you just save yourself all that bullcrap and drop in a few solar panels into your existing system
@joeturnip4216
@joeturnip4216 5 років тому
The voltage drop on 8 gauge wire @ 300 feet is only about 0.31 %.
@koisolare1266
@koisolare1266 5 років тому
I get more like 2% assuming 360VDC, 6KW (17amps) Avg power and copper. My super spreadsheet form Home Power Mag shows a 7 yr payback to upsize to #6 @@joeturnip4216
@cdragonhanks9449
@cdragonhanks9449 4 роки тому
nice video, however, grid-tie is only effective if the electric company you associate buys back the electricity at a reasonable rate which most do not give competitive pricing for they will charge you more for using their electric than clearly what you sell them. also if you place your grid close to the usage area the cost of wire digging and etc is greatly reduced. when buying complete systems many times the companies will include a tax incentive package but increase the price of their system so they make a greater profit at your expense using part of the tax break as a selling point but profiting from it themselves.
@wayneynot
@wayneynot 4 роки тому
Great video, very informative, keep up the good work
@andinbriwel1092
@andinbriwel1092 3 роки тому
Where I live, the utility company re-scheduled the rates such that the power during peak sun hours in the summer is worth about 1/50th of the power at night, per KWh. So, if you produce a surplus of 100 KW per hour during the 8 peak daylight hours, but use 2.5 KW per hour during the other 16 hours, that's a net, "break even," as far as KWh usage.
@kavindrachetna
@kavindrachetna 6 років тому
Very good one.. But wonder why you captioned it as 'Ugly' truth ! It is safety which it provides and yes it is meant for areas where Grid power is considered to be available during day time without much interruptions ! There is some inconvenience that when Grid power is not available (due to outage or load-shading), your solar panel in a sunny whether are of no help to provide you power.. That got be lived with and that is truth !
@FarmCraft101
@FarmCraft101 6 років тому
Well, most people would think if you have solar panels and the sun is shining, you would have power. With a grid tied system, that's not the case if the grid is down.
@emceh
@emceh 6 років тому
FarmCraft101 it's up to you. I do use my grid tie system even when grid is down. The only thing is that you start this manually. You need to disconnect from the grid via breaker and make your own sine wave inside the house. Inverter will pick it up just fine.
@TheAnantaSesa
@TheAnantaSesa 6 років тому
Yeah, how could there be an island anyway if there is no power coming from the power plant? Anti-islanding must be in case only 1 line is down or somehow the inverter picks up a signal.
@FarmCraft101
@FarmCraft101 6 років тому
If it has battery backup, then it is a hybrid system, not a grid tied system. Grid tied means just that, grid tied, no backup. Off grid is off grid with backup. Hybrid is a combination of the two. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/n4Cql6-sjYCQpJs.html
@TheAnantaSesa
@TheAnantaSesa 6 років тому
+FarmCraft101; there is also off grid/no backup. Direct use of dc power can even run motors. They just go slower and can have the right torque by using variable gear ratios.
@trwsandford
@trwsandford 5 років тому
to test this optimizer thing, cover a panel and see how the system reacts
@probablynotabigtoe9407
@probablynotabigtoe9407 4 роки тому
No need to test... I'll tell you what happens. That panel stops producing, but all the other panels keep producing. Shocker lol -solar installer
@TheRainHarvester
@TheRainHarvester 3 роки тому
@@probablynotabigtoe9407 how reliable are those? How often need replacing? Just curious.
@leslieross7555
@leslieross7555 5 років тому
so well done and just what I needed
@Muchkneadedmassage
@Muchkneadedmassage 6 років тому
Thanks for the vid - very clear explanations!
@JxH
@JxH 4 роки тому
Technical accuracy of this video is superb, except the "Optimizers" are (as far as I know) simply bypass diodes.
@heinvandenheuvel
@heinvandenheuvel 3 роки тому
no, optimizers are DC-DC converters. Here is a copy of an also late reply I made earlier : no, optimizers work at the DC level 'in series' together feeding a central inverter at up to 500 Volts DC delievring your 240V AC line. With Micro Inverters each panel, sometimes a few lower wattage panels together, deliver AC line voltage (240) in parallel. Let's say a panel delivers 250W. The panel itself delivers that DC at say 25 Volts, 10 Amps (10*25=250) a micro inverter will convert to AC at 240 Volts with some losses at 1 Amp (for 240 *1 = 240W). Fine. Now 1 panel gets shaded and delivers only 20% = 50 Watts. Well, the Micro-inverter will simply just deliver a shade under 0.2 Amp now for almost 50 watts. In the optimizer case, all the other panels still want to push 10 Amps, and the shaded one follows this by only delivering 5 Volts instead of its nominal 25 V as 5*10 = 50 is all it can deliver. How? By using a DC to DC converter!
@MrRoelith
@MrRoelith 4 роки тому
This video was absolutely perfect for what I wanted to know. Thank you for this
@andrewgibson1991
@andrewgibson1991 4 роки тому
Dude super educational and straight to the point no selfi fluff
@marvinmeeker5765
@marvinmeeker5765 3 роки тому
The higher voltage also means less resistance loss in the power hookup. One more improvement to efficiency, but also more hazardous, if not adequately protected.
@erikschiegg68
@erikschiegg68 6 років тому
You can reduce numbers and diameters of DC wires, if you place the inverter directly under the solar Panels, make a little weather proof housing. Like this, the DC lines with bigger loss are short and the AC Transmission from the House (to operate the inverter) and to the house with the inverted current are cheap and with little loss.
@coltennabers634
@coltennabers634 6 років тому
Then you are dealing with greater reactive losses and reflections if your impedance isn't properly matched
@t.jgreen8274
@t.jgreen8274 5 років тому
The lights at my house went out the other day I have a hundred watt Thunderbolt solar panel and I run a drop cord from the inverter into the air conditioner and it run fine but I'm wanting to get on up to 200 watt solar panels so I'm getting confused now thanks
@GenasysMech
@GenasysMech 5 років тому
totally agree with you, Isn't that why Tesla beat out Edison? LOL
@artsmith103
@artsmith103 5 років тому
His voltage from the panels is actually higher than the house line voltage so it's better for that to be the longer line.
@aaronlapp6070
@aaronlapp6070 5 років тому
he's spending 17 grand and change. #8 use-2 (AL.wire) costs under a buck a foot.
@ExperimentalFun
@ExperimentalFun 6 років тому
Question: If you make more power then you use will the electric company send you a check?
@FarmCraft101
@FarmCraft101 6 років тому
Yes, but they only pay at a wholesale rate. In other words, I save about .11 cents per kwh for what I use, but if I over generate, they only pay 3 or 4 cents. It's definitely not worth it to over size your system.
@ExperimentalFun
@ExperimentalFun 6 років тому
oh I see, thanks
@markwillride
@markwillride 6 років тому
In Ky, at least in the area served by our utility company, you can only earn credit for electricity. They won't pay out dollars for any extra power you make. So you need to size the system carefully.
@spockmcoyissmart961
@spockmcoyissmart961 6 років тому
A friend of mine in Arizona only gets credit on their electric account to be used when they use more electricity than they can generate with their solar panels.
@grendelum
@grendelum 6 років тому
Experimental Fun - it depends on which state you live in... check solarpowerrocks dot com and lookup the Net Metering laws in your state. Here in Florida, every month, the power company 'rolls over' any excess kW you send to the grid as a credit for the next month (think rollover minutes on old cell phone plans)... at the end of every 12 month cycle, if you're still ahead (sent more to the grid than used) they do indeed cut you a check !!
@glenmartin2437
@glenmartin2437 4 роки тому
Thank you. I learned a few things.
@chriss4365
@chriss4365 5 років тому
I use my single panel with a controller and a battery for emergency power during a storm.
@stanpatterson5033
@stanpatterson5033 6 років тому
I found this video to be quite interesting, and some of the comments as well. My problem with going to a solar system, would be with warranty and getting anything out of said warranty. One viewer/commenter (before me) stated that the company that made his inverter was bought out by another company, and is refusing to honor the warranty or even share the schematic diagrams so that someone else could attempt to fix it. Having gone thru ordeals involving roofing, automobiles, snowblowers, etc., and seeing how many "warranties" aren't worth the paper they are written on, leaves me sort of gun-shy to take a leap into such a venture as power generation. Don't get me wrong... Kudos to those who do commit, and best wishes for a trouble-free operation.... But....
@FarmCraft101
@FarmCraft101 6 років тому
I share your concerns about warranties. Thankfully with solar, the panels and wire/installation are the majority of the cost, and historically they tend to last well beyond their warranty. They've gotten pretty good at making the panels. The inverter, you kind of have to consider it a consumable. Thanks for watching.
@airgliderz
@airgliderz 6 років тому
Solar City the entire system is warranted for entire length of loan to purchase the system, but 20 year, and covers inverter, solar panels and a warrantee for your roof against leaks. Had my inverter fail, and they replaced it at no cost in two days.
@stanpatterson5033
@stanpatterson5033 6 років тому
That's great. What brand inverter was it? Meaning... if the brand name that made your inverter either goes belly-up, or gets bought out by someone else, is there any guarantee that the new owner of the company will honor the warranty of your product? I'm pretty skeptical of warranties anymore.
@TheAnantaSesa
@TheAnantaSesa 6 років тому
Stan; I dont think it matters what brand. The warranty was offered by solar city.
@ivyshy98
@ivyshy98 6 років тому
as farmcraft101 said, just think of the inverter as an electric consumable like a tv. it can last anywhere from 5-10 years (can also last 15-20 years, just depends). you can buy cheap ones on amazon and cross your fingers, or buy through a large brand name or brand name solar distributor who may warranty the products they sell (like buying coverage on a tv at best buy). prices range from $500-2000 depending on size. if you just need one to power your backyard mancave that just houses a few panels, $100 will do. the panels/wiring itself won't die if installed correctly. yes lightning could hit it or a tree could fall on it but any physical damage is pretty unlikely. they key is how much are you paying for electricity monthly. if it's less than $100 per month, don't worry about solar. if over $100 then solar would be a good 'long term' investment. if over $200 then it's definitely worth it given how cheap solar is nowadays ($10/watt installed 10 years ago to under $2/watt installed now).
@Ozzy3333333
@Ozzy3333333 4 роки тому
If you do some homework, and do most of the install yourself and paying someone to do the plans ($300), and the certified wiring/permit ($1000), I did my 4KW solar system this way for $3200 and should break even in 3.2 years, now 6 months in and I am still on track to break even. Most quotes I got was for $9K~$11K with rebate of $3K and break even at 9.5 years. Knowing this, your paying the solar company a lot of money for your lack of knowledge.
@TheLiasas
@TheLiasas 4 роки тому
Hello ozzy, could you elaborate on how did you achieve that or point/link me to any good direction in order to get deal done in a similar manner? I'm also looking into solar, and well prepared to put the work by myself; but truly it seems that the ammount of homework (/reseaeching for available options, set ups, products etc) before one gets to make a decent informed decision is humongous
@Ozzy3333333
@Ozzy3333333 4 роки тому
​@@TheLiasas The key I mentioned is knowledge and DIY. Since I am not certified to wire the project, I would pay someone to do that and the plan. The other thing is looking around for the right equipment for the right price. Here is one place that I look for deals www.sunelec.com 786-565-9359 MAIN OFFICE 305-322-1086 , i am on their email list for when the really hot deals come along. Less than $100 per solar panel, and to save on shipping i will drive an hour or two. I think the number one failure is the inverter, so don't go to cheap in that department, or run it at max (say 4KW solar driving 4KW inverter). There is some free training on solar instal, basically, they have you go on real jobs (your volunteering work for the free training). Also join solar forums, to ask questions before purchasing anything. Check out google sunroof, enter a address down the street from you (haha), enter your electric bill and the choose purchase. It will give you a good idea of the side system you need, but i would go bigger (say they say3KW, I would go 4KW, its not that much more $).
@steveclunn8165
@steveclunn8165 4 роки тому
@@Ozzy3333333 that's a neat idea about volunteering the help install I'm getting free education. If that's the sun Electric in Florida I bought 50 panels from them they were great.
@richardlove4287
@richardlove4287 5 років тому
Good vid, I've just been through the same thing..BUT I got around having no power when the grid goes down by putting a generator circuit cut off at the meter . That way when the power goes off I insulate the grid and start my generator...the inverter then gets tricked into thinking the grid is up and running and allows power from the panels to be used at the house. Cheers.
@twocoolcatsandadog
@twocoolcatsandadog 5 років тому
That seems like a great idea an lp or ng generator would run at virtually no load while the sun was out is that correct? probably cheaper than a battery system and still able to get the solar benefit at a small lp gas cost.
@brandonlamontcooper8141
@brandonlamontcooper8141 3 роки тому
Awesome I'm ready to start working my hobbies back at home as well..
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