Worth keeping in mind that part of the reason the satisfaction on these new tools, programming languages, and frameworks is high is due to the fact no one has had to deal with a multi-year old project written in them yet!

You have become my go-to for keeping up to date with things and I can't thank you enough for that.

I've switched to Vue 3 for a while there, and honestly it's... pretty damn nice. Haven't done anything super complex with it, or even anything along the lines of projects where Nuxt would make sense, but for just general "reactive" SPA/SSR web dev it's awesome

Great point about the dev happiness of new tech that's self selected vs old tech people inherit.

I run Quasar (Vue3) with TRPC 10. I understand painful part of migrating to Vue3, but at the end DX is 10x from Vue2. TS is seamless, composition api is great, overall productivity jump for a small team I m part of, is increased by a ton. Edit: Additional bonus is that I understand React and Svelte now, without reading docs.

Next year solid will be at the top!

Glad to see Sanity up there, definitely my favorite CMS. Used it for my portfolio about 2 years ago and have considered creating a POC for moving the marketing WordPress site that my employer uses.

Really interesting vid! Loved the UI review as well

In regards to Nuxt. I think it was the delays in V3 that caused nuxt devs to jump ship to Next or Vite or something. But now that v3 is pretty much ready. its actually really good. hope next13 reaches stable soon.

Congratulations to Svelte for being for being most loved 🎉❤

"Obviosly Angular no one gives a shit about" 🤣

Svelte and Vite are amazing. Love to see the satisfaction at the top

I am also curious what's going on with Vue and Nuxt, I don't do a lot of webdev but when I used Vue it wasn't bad, the bigger problem was that a lot of libraries (TRPC, NextAuth for example) were made with react in mind and it takes effort to adapt them to your projects if you want to use them and there aren't many similar alternatives

I've been implementing our marketing site in sanity and astro on and off for the past 6 months, and it's been really good. Sanity is pretty great, although the typescript story leaves a lot to be desired. V3 is better, but not having typed schemas and groq queries is painful. I don't know of any decent typesafe headless CMS though, so it's not like they're behind the curve. Sanity-typed-schema-builder has been a huge help, but has it's own shortcomings, it's basically only useful if you pull your content in full documents which takes away a lot of the power of groq.

I've used react and vue about the same. I have a slight preference to Vue. I liked Vue2, i love Vue 3. Nuxt2 was ok (rebuilt on save in ssr mode was painful). Nuxt3 with MDC support is awesome! Vue3 took ages to finalise, and nuxt3 took an eternity -- and still has key modules in development. Other popular packages like vuetify are also taking years to rewrite. This has to be the big reason for disatisfsction. For starting from scratch nuxt3 and vue3 are awesome! I use Vite and vitest in both my react and vue projects. Love vite!

The one comparing TS/JS with other languages doesn't make sense. Your audience is JS developers so ofc the adoption rate is going to be heavily swung in that direction compared to anything else. It should have been done like the framework comparison at the end, where we get to see the change from 2021 to 2022 to see whether more people are using stuff like rust or hugo etc. as this will give us a better indication of where the industry is moving

My first open source contribution is going to be the t3 docs 🥰

Vite + Svelte + Astro FTW! :)

This is not representative. TS is the most loved and best developer experience 8 times more than anything else. But if you look into the StackOverflow survey, the results will be different. It's crazy to make representative surveys from people who are "hyped" and "pumped" and make decisions according to what twitter says, not thinking with logic. The sane way is to stop making facebook problems frontend ideology and start to think outside of that paradigm.

Hey Theo! Where can I find all your excalidraw diagrams?

"I don't target tablet devices for shit"🤣

Regading Vue and Nuxt, I think the way how Vue 3 was released, where for 1.5 years it was stable, but not default, and how long it took Nuxt to catch up and release "stable" version with Vue 3, and how bad this process looks like from the side, was the reason. It made a lot of people uncertain about the future, make planing super hard for like over 2 years. I've asked myself multiple times something like "Should I start with Vue 2, when there is already Vue 3 stable, and the Nuxt guys said they are working on the new version already for months? It shouldn't take long, right?" And then it took over 2 years, and the state of Nutx 3.0 release is questionable, because every RC version contained a dozen of breaking changes, features were shipped last minute etc. As a mainly Vue guy, I'm glad Astro came, and saved the day.

Vite+React still beats out Next for me purely based on satisfaction.

Vue's satisfaction rating I think is due to 2 things: 1) The split with Options/Composition. Vue was well loved due to it being very easy to pick up and the Options API was a big reason for that. 2) The ecosystem is taking a while to catch up. Nuxt and Vuetify are still not really production ready at this point. Personally, my main dissatisfaction point is 2, but that's because I've realized that the Composition API is just React Hooks, but far better. I'm just patiently waiting for the ecosystem to catch up.

Even though there was a significant drop in people who consider themselves front-end, it's interesting to note that the bridge between front and back goes both ways. For instance, a few years back I never considered the possibility of working as a full-time frontend dev, but for the first time in my life I started doing exactly that for a job opportunity. The reason I'm ok with that is that I can't see much difference between both rn.

The Vue world had a huge lag on adopting Vue3... some major libraries like Vuetify still aren't fully Vue3 migrated yet. Our team had a big debate on whether we should move from Vue2 to React or just make Vue3 work. Vue3 won out because it was less to retrain on, but I could have seen it go either way. Quasar is what kept us on Vue. Even though I love working in Vue, that whole situation made my own personal satisfaction dip a bit.

i wish you teach us how to build a project from scratch to deployment with big tech best practises...

I've switched to React/Next from Vue/Nuxt because the Vue ecosystem took way too long to adapt to Vue 3 (looking at you store management and Nuxt) and there were too much dividedness about the best way to built components (options API, class components, script setup...). Also the React ecosystem had much better TS support.

Sorry but 7000 devs of a random survey is not strong data

Given the number of respondents, I'd wonder how statistically significant some of these findings are. Examine enough independent metrics extracted from some noisy data and you'd expect a few anomalous results (vue and nuxt's lowish scores, maybe).

Working remote is just more profitable for both parties. For the employee they don't have to waste gas or move to a city where the coding jobs are, and for the employer, they don't have to pay for a huge facility or multiple facilities to house all of their workers, and it gives them access to more developers they wouldn't normally have the chance to hire.

What happened to solids satisfaction rate?!

Issue I have with those kind of survey, is that they are biased by design. The survey was created by Jamstack which is highly focused on JS/TS therefore mostly frontend even tho we are having an increase number of "full stack devs" as shown in that survey. So yeah only having 5% of backend devs answering to that isn't really surprising, but it's far from being the reality of the market. Backend is still huge nowadays and isn't done in any JS/TS stack in most cases because of a lot of valid reasons. So removing them from the equation doesn't seems right tbh, especially when you are comparing languages used. Or another example about "full stack devs", for back end devs willing to become full stack, they often pick Angular as their first JS/TS framework just because the logic looks close to what you have things done in POO languages. It can be really weird for those devs to jump into React or Vue because of how different the approach is with those compare to a more classic backend one. I believe if that survey was done including more backend devs we would have seen way different results in many aspects.

Be good to get a stats of job source - seems like a lot of respondents were remote and not full time - so on we work or other temp job system - let’s get a poll?

As someone coming out of college remote work is a lot tougher. I worked all summer never meeting anyone on my team in person once. It makes work feel very transactional and lonely if you do not have a well established community around yourself

Svelte is far better at everything imo. Having come from Angular to React to Nextjs to Vue to now Svelte. I think people who aren't rating Svelte high haven't really given it a fair shake. Because once you do, you realize just how damn good it is in comparison.

Yeah interesting - would like to see new projects v old

I'm obviously a bit of an outlier - relatively extraverted without kids or other major remote motivators - but I'm still floored by how many people strongly prefer remote work. For me, at least, 5 minutes of chatting when passing someone's desk, or a super quick in person check-in can easily be worth a half hour on a zoom call. I'm not sure how other people's brains are structured such that they don't massively drop in productivity going online. This is especially the case as a fairly new junior. Learning is so much slower when every single question needs to be weighed against the cost of pinging someone.

not sure how i feel on having ct3a as a framework…i suppose conceptually it counts

Any results for solid ?

Next year for solid and solid start maybe…

I feel slight hate against angular here

The only frameworks I want to succeed is Astro and svelte. But why not serverless? It saves money.

Nuxt have still not released for vue 3... not only that they make promises of deadlines which they repeatedly push without commenting to the public. Literally no transparency.

I've used Nuxt 2 on a project and at first it was awesome! But then.. Vue 3 came out, and they would NEVER update Nuxt to use it.. Still in beta I think. So this is probably one of the reasons. Nuxt 3 seems good but I did not test it yet and don't pretend to actually. There are better tools out there already. Also, I find Nuxt docs really bad and they change stuff around too much, and then change it back, it's hard to figure out what/how to do on the version that you're in. Also it has a lot of bugs and some things simply won't work. Next.js is waaay more professional and well made.

I'm a Vue developer professionally who prefers react. Vue 3 simply didn't make typescript as good as it is React. I could name a bunch of issues I have with it but all Vue developers know what I mean. Plus, too many ways to do things. Nuxt Content also just doesn't work reliably yet with Nuxt 3 which is really disappointing for me.

The language comparison chart is sort of a bit silly, as the target audience for the "JAMstack" survey (JAM: JavaScript, APIs, and Markup) would likely already be folks using JavaScript in their daily work. They also note this in the article header directly above the chart, which was glossed over in this video: "One note: when we show programming languages, we should be clear that this data is about their popularity within the Jamstack community; in more general computing surveys Java is a much more popular choice."

I liked nuxt, not liking vue 3 to be honest, the composition is just making it look too much like react which is not good for me. I learned to not like it since it made things harder to understand and read for me esp if you leave a project for awhile and come back.

I wonder why they only included JS frameworks there.

9:00 bruh 💀

Imo remote work favours devs because it's more outcomes-based rather than being purely time-based, of course you have time constraints, but I've had days where I would spend 2-4 hours of a day doing absolutely nothing and then replacing it with 2-4 hours of my evening, and the freedom to do that outweighs working a 9-5 in office and still having to put in the occasional evening hours.

What's wrong with web components?

Look at Appwrite too!

Not even Kotlin users? I'm not surprised by the extreme cases in this survey because the questions weren't answered by enough devs from different fields. Mostly answered by people who do web development or started to do web development it seems like. Typescript would be nice if types wouldn't be optional.

Seams like nobody is using Lit :)

I love Vue and best congrats to the Nuxt team, because to introduce vite&typescript&vue3 all in one step is quite a hurdle :D and now Nuxt3 is offical stable

I am sorry, i cant use server less, i don't really do web stuff.

Nuxt developer here. The dissatisfaction is definitely becuase of the migration to Nuxt 3. We have months in a fcking in between state where we use a composition API that is barely documented while waiting for every fcking Vue library to migrate to Vue 3

Blazor is not even there :/

"Obviously, Angular, Nobody gives a shit about..." ... nice line :)

That statistic doesn't really show when you actually chose React over everything else and believe in it. I guess only by a relatively high satisfaction, compared to other default options.

I'm shit at web design so for me front end is harder. Unless you give me the design, I will never be good at front end lol

Jump 6:00

Your sound "bass" level is way off. Otherwise great video!

Where is flutter

Any van life devs around? 🙃

I started with Vue but switched to React because of the community, support, etc... Vue stills have a place in my heart but React all the way now.

So…why don’t you care about web components?

They should do the survey in a crypto bull market as well.

3:22 Remote is cool and all but from the standpoint fo the business it sucks because it greatly slows dwn your workforce imporvement. Juniors in remote advance int their skillset slower. Senior communicate with them less. ess connections are made etc. I know ill get lots of "but it works in my case you need better organzing in your company" but reality is the advancement of workforce and its skillset doesnt show in satisfatction about your job. Its shows over long period and shows how fast you can do full projects as a team not individual tasks as single person which translates into money.

💖 from Sri Lanka.

Where’s the Nest JS love? Such a well documented and reliable framework. Plain express is garbage.

Sanity? We moved out. It's good but I dont think it's for everyone.

Disappointing video that you wouldn’t even entertain the data regarding Angular. If you’re giving time to look at next you should be giving sufficient time for Angular as well