At that price you could easily make your own for about 5 or 6k

yea a fully loaded Hiker is what less then 15K with everything and fully offroad.

and the base hiker in that size is 5900 if that is a 5x10

@Mike Boysen lmao thanc

@@Lee-gc2mq exactly there's a very very small market for that trailer at its price point I think everyone who wants one like it could build their own

Truth

Welcome to the world of overlanding

That’s why you make your own

1950 lbs of gold for under 28k . I would buy 100 of them

Your right bro. Kids now days??

I'm seriously thinking about getting one of the Off-Grid Pando 2.0

It's heavy too

Looks like an awesome rig, but I would pay any more than 15-18k for it.

I am. Oticimg that most tiny off roaring camper company's are selling their trailers for 20 to 45 grand. Crazy high prices for these very tiny off road type camper trailers. Could just go buy a big 24 to 30 door long huge trailers for that kind of money. I will just spend 3,500.00 to 4 grand on a rooftop tent to install on a bed rack on my 2023 Tacoma TRD OR model 4x4 truck. Then get my naval officer son to help me find a old military trailer to build out to hold my camping gear and a n electric mtn bicycle or a small enduro style motorcycle.

Thought it was dirt to start with, but yeah, that's a rusty weld right in the middle. WTAF.

Mostly dirt, but still...

This is actually a pre-made released later than with 17 minutes vs only 10 tho. :P

Tex Patriot and change the suspension for another 800.

Generac? Pfft. Peasant. I only go for name brand. J/K I just like to make that pun every chance I get.

Would love to know the brand of yours. Been looking to import one or two

You can’t take your Jayco off road up a mountain though it will fall apart on your second trip for sure. AND THAT IS THE POINT

Mike Boysen lol, you think you need an over priced trailer to camp? I got news for you. That thing is dead weight. It’s for wealthy older individuals whom dream of hitting the elements yet never will. Good luck pulling a 1 ton unpowered object up and over terrain a good 4x4 could barely make it up. But who am I to stop you from experiencing those warm and fuzzy feelings of buyers remorse when you realize how much a liability 2000lbs of dead weight is on an actual trail.

Mike Boysen it’s actually called a long-tail strategy. Based off statistical distributions. Businesses typically go for products that reach 1 to maybe 2 standard deviations away from the mean (vast majority of people). These strategies are the opposite, and go for customers in the tail of the distributions opposed to the bell(2-3 sd) as they are not being represented. Problem is that there is little economies of scale there. Meaning you design a product and have few customers to distribute fixed costs over as well as paying more for materials. They are also probably trying to offload their higher fixed costs with variable costs, which raises marginal cost, so that they can scale with demand. If they invested into a production facility they could dramatically lower marginal costs, but would run the risk of not selling enough units while having to maintain the fixed costs. Which is a huge problem of long tail strategies for physically produced goods. It’s generally a poor business decision which is why you don’t see large firms doing it, but the risk can be very rewarding. Here is the kicker. In these strategies, marginal revenue has to be dramatically higher than marginal cost in order to be profitable, so it’s easy to build the product at a profit(MR>MC). Which means if the market expands, then firms will enter and reduce economic profit. All of this has nothing to do with the fact that it’s a useless trailer. It’s too heavy and unpowered to make it over difficult objects, and too small for leisure camping. Better off getting a used motor home and flat towing your rig. For the size of this trailer, an alloy frame with carbon composite body would make it far more useful. Give the wheels the gift of torque so it could actually pull it’s own weight and it wouldn’t be such a huge liability off road. Hence the original comment. Either way, this is a super niche product that is heavily dependent upon older males with $30k to blow on a tent wanting, not actually doing, to “overland.” I am sure that any halfway decent diy-er could build something similar for half the cost. Heck, I could buy a small enclosed trailer for a few grand and fairly easily build something comparable for 1/3rd the price. If you need to spend $27.5k on a couple conveniences while camping, then I feel bad for you. A quality tent takes only a few minutes to deploy with an inflatable mattress, or even a roof top tent.

Mike Boysen So you refuse to respond to the 1 ton boat anchor response for the second time, yet keep shifting the discussion towards economics. Lol. So I take it you don’t disagree with the fact that this trailer dramatically reduces off road capabilities. To the economics, it’s quite simple and is the reason why you don’t see large firms enter these niche markets. I already outlined why it’s a poor decision, but I’ll reiterate the key points. These firms are catering to very small markets. This means that fixed costs cannot be diluted across the products, and that materials to build it cost more. Because investing in production (automation, buildings, tooling) is quite risky, firms must depend on skilled labor. This raises marginal costs. Higher marginal costs means lower profit since profit = revenue - cost. The biggest risks are changing consumer landscapes and economic downturns. Either could cripple the firms ability to generate economic profit. Especially considering the nature of luxury goods. Enormous long term risk with relatively low reward = poor business decisions. Ultimately the market sees very high failure rates in niche businesses.

@Mike Boysen So your THIRD response that doesn't address the actual problems with product like these. That they're too heavy and dramatically reduce offroad capability despite them being intended for that. Ok then. I never attacked anyone about buying this. I find the price to be extremely unrealistic, just like I find the price of a Ferrari to be as such. I would never attack someone for overspending. My original comment simply states what the product would have to be for me to justify spending that much money on it. You're the one attacking people for being shocked by how overpriced this product is. Clearly you have become very defensive over your intended purchase that you're displaying classical signs of cognitive dissonance (irrationally thinking people are attacking you is a strong indicator.) You consistently try to change the argument from "a business charging too much" to "why don't you build it yourself." Anyone with a remote understanding of business operations realizes the high cost of prototyping, so only an angry troll would try and conflate a finished product that should be streamlined with an inefficient prototype. By all means, buy a $30k trailer that will heavily restrict your movements. I couldn't care less about your financial planning. But stop crying about how others have a different opinion than yourself. Even your own asinine comment about how people are predictable for posting that this price is outrageous shows that you're trying to convince yourself that this is a good purchase. That's also extremely hypocritical of you to accuse me of attacking people when you have engaged in multiple threads attacking others for simply stating the price is too high. What? No cute comment about my "wood" or "size" like in the other thread. It must be a sad life to motivate one to go onto youtube and troll others for simply posting their thoughts.

Firestarter the problem is the mike is clearly the old idiot who bought this thing and is doing everything in his power to defend his purchase when he knows 100% that you are right and he’ll never actually use this thing

lol....

you can buy 9 base price hikers for that

HAHAHAHA AHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHA !!

Post of the week! LOL!

Can't figure out who this is for... Like you're not gonna do crazy offroading overlanding with a trailer..and if you just want to camp, for the price you can get a better camper.

that's probably how much it costs to build

if that's the case, they need to improve their efficiency. no way it costs 4.5k in materials unless they sourced the most expensive stuff possible and didn't negotiate. stainless steel sheet metal is 0.95-1.45 per pound right now. I'd estimate COGS@std at like 1.5-2k max. You can straight up buy an ATV with an engine and moving parts for 4.5k.

Exactly I wouldn’t pay anymore than 5k for this.

spons1982 you’re forgetting labor for the people building it, or do you work for free?

No, i'm not. Modern assembly is relatively inexpensive via automation and assembly lines. Those also aren't expenses calculated in COGS@standard. Typical mark-up on manufacturing items as they go from manufacturer to dealer/distributor is 30-50%, which covers the operating costs you're talking about and allows a bit of margin. What we see here is an initial markup of likely 400% with more dealer/distributor markup on top of that, likely from estimated volume being low. I think the thing they didn't account for was that they are forcing volume to be low by offering at such steep prices well outside the range of most American families. You could straight up buy a new vehicle for the same amount complete with actual engine, electronics, software, etc. these folks are crazy.

This is a more in-depth look at the trailer with Alex. Alex has been working at TFL for a few months, primarily on TFLoffroad and behind the camera work on other TFL channels.

They already did the road trip with the Tesla X. They just have to edit it. So while they have this trailer, might as well make more vids on it. Maybe there is a # they have to make to get the discount on it for using it. lol

Keep him behind the camera. Annoying voice and the one man cam isn’t entertaining it’s grating on my nerves.

I think either Roman, Tommy, or the manufacturer dude said it was actually composite but had like a wood vinyl/sticker over it so it at least looked like wood.

I have tried it, the black fabric radiates a tonne of heat inside.

Off road just means KO2s and a funky rotating coupler.

I agree with you, fellow Texan to hot to not have A/C. I have researched this trailer a while back, and not sure but think it can be had with A/C. I like these size trailers for overlanding and off-road. I am near Corpus Christi, and enjoy traveling up and down Padre Island National Seashore. This trailers and a few others like them would be excellent, and not sink in the sand. So I enjoy surf fishing without the hassle of getting stuck. Not to hijack TFL, but there is another company out of Utah called "Bean trailers." Trailers are all fiberglass construction not wood, built for overlanding. A/C can be ordered on these.

@@danielhoegler2062 for the price I would expect to not have to order ac. And something I didn't like and in your usage with being on the beach it would be worse is the bed taking up the entire interior. Can you imagine how much sand you would bring to bed with you? It needs enough area inside the door so that you can close it, change out of wet, sandy or muddy cloths and then get to the bed. Maybe put a super single if two people or a single for one person instead of the fill every inch of space queen size they come with.

@@JamesSmullins Hahaah! Yes, I have learned to live with the sand!)) I can agree at the price and having A/C included.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT !!

And a husband like you

Luke Edward that’s a hell of a way to look at it. 😂 I love these things, but damn they’re expensive.

Make it