Give holo lens a look, same pricing, same features, but very different build

Whats about quest 1?!

@@coolertuep it doesnt have eye-tracking

@@maddyultraquest 2 doesnt either

​@@candycorn4884 yes it does?

with help from AI.

i'm wondering if that was more due to a technically simple implementation [the sdk and everything were already ready to use], readily accessible tutorials and aid, or whether he really is just a fast learner

@@hiddendrifts probably both

@@vladmihai306 "all of the above" lmao

@@hiddendrifts in this case it's true :))

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Man, Thrill could start making some VR demos or prototypes for really cool stuff and this channel is a great medium for him to document his work

I support!

Thrill seeker headset coming 2030

Hilarious, what a time to be alive. Jeah cool UI I have no idea and build the Ui in 3 days because the sandbox is great enough 😂 thrill you rock!🎉

@@DalXe. Before VALVE Deckard... LOL!

even at $3500

Nah

No

“Man”?

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This is my situation exactly. I have a personal app developed in unity to drive my chair with only eye tracking and pass through. I am happy as it works in all lighting conditions. I can only use my ap though. It would be amazing to navigate outside of my app. I will definitely look into your project. Thanks for bringing this up!

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Godspeed Cangar. I'll be subscribing to your channel in hopes you update us there too.

and is the experience good with just using hand tracking and eye tracking on the quest pro ?

Great for watching video hands free.

Indeed. Natural interactions must be natural. But Apple did a nice thing also allowing for a low energy input method so you don't have to move your arms around so much when the situation calls for it. But I don't think controllers are just for gaming. Using tools and having things in our hand is practically genetically hardwired into us at this point. It makes sense for more than just that.

@@saulghim2661 yeah, like i don't think that form of hand Tracking works out for specific tasks like drawing or simulations, even if perfectly accurate. There's a reason we use pens and don't fingerpaint everything 😁

@@saulghim2661 Yes of course, by “gaming” I kinda meant all the times you are simulating holding a tool. I have Paint VR and of course I want to use the controllers for that. And yeah, I’d much rather use my eyes then the hand tracked laser pointer, eye tracking is definitely next level. Really surprised it’s not a feature on the Quest Pro.

Amen!

ChatGPT plus Unity VR package baby for the win

As a professional gamedev, once you have some experience with the VR side of Unity, this is ~2h of work, most of which will be spent setting up the project, not actually coding. Though for someone who hasn't really dabbled in gamedev before, it's rather impressive what Thrill managed to make.

@@grizeldiSLO With AI tools and UKposts tutorial video it more like persistence than anything else and he said he did dabble just not at that high level plus he talked to many devs.

And Valem!

Huh. Nice reference :D

You know, Boz has some Obidiah vibe...

this made me grin so hard.

It's not even funny how accurate this is.

*Obadiah

Especially the ones that will be sold in millions, like the Quest 3. I'd gladly pay 100 bucks more for the thing if it had eye tracking built in.

It's been like that for awhile. Now it's just going to obvious to more people

@@coltynstone-lamontagne Pretty much - anyone that says we dont need eye tracking is crazy

​@@adr2tfor the games i play i don'lt need it

@@spidermonkeynr1 What games do you play? Because I am sure they could be improve with it. And that would be the main point we do anything "more so" because your needs right now dont need it because we design stuff that doesnt make use of it... but that will change once we start making use of more eye tracking. Same reason you have controllers right now... Oculus OG didnt even want to release controllers - but we requested strongly for them. Now they're part of the main stream way you play VR in general. Eye tracking will be the same as well.

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With chatGPT, i have reems of dev documents from working as a trucker 14 hiurs a day... Volumetric gestural systems are barelu the tipnof the iceberg, but indeed, UI/UX is the key to the future of AR/VR

This video genuinely is a must watch for Zucc and Boz.

@epic dubber Of course I can, and I also do occasionally, but I meant some kind of appreciation that you really just can give once in a while. Nothing that People can buy with money.

I can guarantee its worth it for the CPU and pancake lenses alone. Eye tracking is still expensive so I rly dont blame em for not including it in the Quest 3 It will surely come in the Quest 4 but by that time we will be having a few new headsets with eye tracking even if theyre to be $1000+

Everyone will be doing the obvious, and try to copy these features from Apple, and then the quest 3 will look immediately obsolete with an horrendous user interface and an even worse interaction system,. I can't stress enough how unbelievably imbecile the META VR team is.

eye tracking hardware is expensive, theres a reason the vision pro is $3500, its not only Apples greed, but also hardware costs, for eye tracking you need to fit sensors in the headset, so you need small eye tracking sensors, and those are expensive

@@shuttzi9878 I mostly play vr on my PC instead of standalone so I'm going to save up my money and get an index down the road (or index 2 if they ever make that)

​@@r.m8146 I don't know, I think they'll try copying Apple too given the attention it's gained. I suspect they'll be releasing a new model for the quest 3 with eye tracking after it's first reached the sales they want.

Isn’t the premise false tho? Is the Eyetracking really just UI?wouldn’t it also be hardware in order to have their level of precision?

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@@Lucas1Apple12 yep. total lie.

I'm pretty sure that Apple made the Vision Pro out of a custom aluminium alloy for a good reason, namely to serve as one large heat sink to get rid of all the heat the M2 and R1 will generate. So the weight is a price for the available performance, and unless there are sudden huge jumps in SoC power efficiency, a lighter AVP SE made out of plastic would have to throttle a lot more, which would make it a lot slower. They did the same with the Mac Studio Ultra, where most of the volume of the case is one gigantic copper heatsink, adding almost 1kg in weight compared to the Mac Studio Max with a much smaller aluminium cooler that only has to deal with about half the power dispensation.

Yeah tbh mate i was thinking like with the next chip in the Quest 3 being so much better than the Quest Pro's chip, it's kinda necessary for them to update the Pro.. But then i think some owners of the Pro who bought it at 1500$ gonna be pretty sad that their device went down so quickly no? idk if im looking at this wrong, but i saw some comments of people saying they feel bad cause they bought a 1500$ Quest Pro and now the Quest 3 is almost as good. (ofc worse controllers and no miniLED screens, and no eye and facetracking but still...)

yeah, I would think they would just update the Quest Pro with the new SOC and camera's from the Quest 3. that alone would already be a major improvement (if they also keep the price the same as the current Pro).

eye tracking will be integral to the next generation of VR headsets and not just because of stuff like what this video showed. dynamic foveated rendering is a gigantic performance boost for the GPU in all situations.

@@crimson-foxtwitch2581 Didnt make it to the Quest 3... so I dont think its a given for say. Low cost headsets wont be getting eye tracking for years... not a while... years... because they sit on them.

@@adr2t other companies aren’t so stupid as to skimp out on a 20% performance boost

It's a combination though. This is what Apple do best. They have some very smart UX coupled with very good hardware and sensors to create a user experience thats a step above. It would start to fall apart without the performance, the high resolution and high dynamic range passthrough, the great eye tracking and wide field of view. Yes others could do it, but they haven't, probably because it would push the price point up. Apple are very good at creating dev kits and having developers plug into their APIs, Apple have made privacy a priority with this device and the OS never sees the world etc, so many layers here which make it way more complicated that it seems on the surface (hence the comment from unity devs). In short,. the Vision Pro feels "magical" because of the sum of the parts. We'll probably eventually see third party bluetooth controllers be available for games as iOS already supports motion controls.

Pinching can give some form of feedback :) which is probably why it was picked

would be neat to include some sort of small ring you wear that can provide haptic feedback

Not just the haptic feedback, but also the value in feeling where buttons are and the feedback you get from pushing against the spring of a thumbstick. That will always be WAY BETTER than "pretend" controls. Selecting menu items with eye tracking was the FIRST thing I thought of when someone mentioned eye tracking. Seems pretty obvious!

@@SashraanMusic While I totally agree with your vision, I think the current limitations make it hard to make something "low profile" and provide the kind of force feedback you are describing. I'm all on board with the idea though. It actually seems like the ideal controller.

I've seen this! Looks promising!

I'm pretty sure hand tracking via cameras already made that obsolete.

@@travissmith5994 yeah tbh, i mean it has some advantages over hand tracking but eye and hand tracking together can do a lot now these days.

@@travissmith5994 No. With EMG you can do the pinches, gestures and whatever in your pocket, behind your back or NOT MOVING THE FINGERS AT ALL (since it has the potential fidelity to sense your "intention to move a muscle" on a single-neuron level). You'll have the most subtle input method ever - and of course paired with eye-tracking. But it does look like what Apple showed could be a lot further towards that level. Maybe something like 80% rather than 50%. And even without eye-tracking, I'm curious to try the head-tracking + pinch/gesture combo too. Sounds like even that could be much better than those cursed pointing rays.

@@Niclasj79 Also, you could potentially include haptic feedback by slight vibrations for those who want it. Sometimes that removes a lot of the "strange" feeling while interacting with "air". Can't do that with optical hand tracking alone.

People are doing this already for a long time with normal monitors, especially for accessibility reasons, combined with voice control. But I'm fine if Apple does marketing for this feature so it gets mainstream.

@@FunFreakeyy Marketing it is fine, but knowing them, they'll claim, or at least imply, that they INVENTED it and they probably even claimed a patent on it. "Prior Art" doesn't always apply if you have enough lawyers.

Yeah psvr2 had it aswell

Yeah, I never understood why eyetracking wasn't used for menucontrols in VR. I mean, when Eyetracking released for the PC one of the very first use-cases for it WAS UI-controls and gaming. Strange that this wasn't the case for VR, until now.

Because you have people out there that claim we dont need eye tracking - they simply dont understand the "need" for it.

Google Cardboard and Gear VR used gaze based selection, with the lack of buttons or hand tracking compensated by having the user keep the gaze on the same object for a few seconds to confirm. Apple provides the same option on the Vision Pro for accessibility, so people that cannot physically perform the pinch gesture can still use the headset. And obviously neither Cardboard nor Gear VR had eye tracking, users thus had to turn their had, but the idea isn't new. Apple just looked at the possible options and then picked and refined those that added the least friction.

@@faduci you could do that with the Rift S (quest link too I think) if you only had a xbox controller connected but IMO the pointing with your head thing is a bit weird.

It also has some predictive tech which contributes to the “magic” factor, the device knows you're going to click before you do it

Someone who has tried the Vision Pro has said that the FOV is closer to the PSVR2 than it is to the Quest 2, do with that info what you will.

the problem is that corpos only want to rely on Apple for some reason. If they don't make something, it won't go around the globe.

What like Microsoft's Hololens?

Hey I can congratulate a man for being able to somewhat replicate it, but let’s not act like this is remotely close to what Apple is doing lol! The preciseness and ability for the Apple product to track where your eye is looking even if it’s the smallest object or even objects stacked on top of each other. This was where people who tried said it was magical. They said it was like it was reading their minds. Other companies will replicate it, but if it’s no where near as precise, it’s a fail! What I find funny is that these headsets have been around for decades. Probably the last 10 with eye tracking. No one ever thought to do this. Now it’s so easy. That’s nothing! 😂😂😂

No one said that it wasn't replicable, you're just making stuff up. People just correctly pointed out how well-done it was, and even more when compared with the garbage UI and the controll-based system that lousy companies like META inflicted on us.

No one said what Apple did can’t be replicated, android have created features years before iOS had them. The difference is that when Apple releases a feature or product it tends to be more refined.

Apple fanboys coping in the comments

Apple rarely the first but they are always the best.

Well said! I’d love to see your further forays into design, particularly UI/UX. There aren’t many people on this platform with your breadth of VR experience and I find your takes quite valuable. 👍🏻

No doubt, while everyone else spent time on the hardware, they were focused on legally hording everything possible so they could price fix the tech as much as possible. It is their way.

@@seanwarren9357 It is the dark side of capitalism.

@@thaddeus1519 That's corporatism not capitalism haha

​@@iparkedmycar Ownership of ideas is part of capitalism, with ownership of ideas comes people trying to hoard ideas, stop lying to yourself. When USA had its initial economic boom it was through the JP Morgans and similar of the world hoarding ideas and gate keeping patents. This is and always will be how it was intended to work. There isn't a better economic system that we know of yet, but capitalism (not corpratism) certainly has its inevitable dark side. This being one of them.

I'm glad they patented everything they could, force other companies like Meta and Samsung to innovate instead of just trying to copy and paste. Apple put a lot of cutting edge technology into this headset.

eye tracking would significantly raise the price tag.

eye tracking is expensive. what's the point if no one's gonna buy it because it's so expensive? it's just gonna be a PCVR 2.0 where the layman just ignores it, dismissing it as an expensive gimmick.

​@@ilikestuff8218 Eye tracking does provide foveated rendering, and so you need less resolution to render high quality graphic. Which means less money spend on GPU.

@@SkyYukiGuy Perhaps they believe that the gpu that it already includes is powerful enough for the moment, perhaps it is not the right time to place those sensors because the cost would increase, probably in the next version quest 4 and if it comes natively integrated because they will have optimized and lowered the cost of the components.

@@ilikestuff8218 what are you talking about? Eye tracking is in Pico4 pro and it’s $550. Only $50 more than quest 3.

Sure, eye-tracking hasn't really been an option until recently, but still, I think people are just unimaginative. There are so many options you could go with, and devs just fall back on the same things they know from 2D apps. But they simply don't work the same way. Just take the Quest's finger-tracked "tactile" interface. It'd be so much better if it could just recognize a certain IRL wall or other surface in your room and designate it as a menu screen. Overlay a UI over it, and boom, you have a perfectly usable surface. And why do I have to switch tabs and stuff by clicking on menu icons? Or even by swiping as if it was a phone? They are both really uncomfortable in VR. Be creative. Let me just look 15° to the side or something. I don't want to needlessly move my hands in the air. It's tiring, it feels empty without proper feedback, and it just makes you move your hand away from the things that you are trying to focus on in the first place: the middle of the screen. Why are there confirmation windows in VR? Just ask me to nod or shake. PLEASE. NO MORE POPUPS. Also, please don't make me double-click the same button to confirm either. Click the _same_ place in VR is just as uncomfortable as clicking somewhere else on the screen. This is not a PC. Your hand doesn't just "stop" when you let go of the controller. It's not a mouse on a flat surface. And do games even need a button to bring up a menu? Why not use a real item, like a watch, a map, a helmet, or a backpack to activate it? Now you have one more which you can use for gameplay, and it's way more immersive. Or even just by looking straight down and then pressing something. Perhaps you could even map the pause menu to _sitting_ in real life. When I'm in a menu I have no reason to stand anyways, so why not let me rest. And if I _am_ resting, then it is pretty likely that I don't want to actively play either. (Of course this would have to be optional but still.) And do we even really need menus in the first place? Like, why do I have to click on Link to PC or whatever in Oculus? Why can't I just walk to the window in my (virtual) space and then reach out to connect or something? Or go out the door to exit? Or in front of the TV to select a game? Or perhaps I could just map it to my IRL room, too. If I'm standing in the middle of the room, I want to see my local games. If I'm sitting on the bed, I might want to go to the settings. If I'm facing the wardrobe, I want to customize my ugly-ass avatar. And if I sat down at my PC, I most definitely want to link to it. Or like, keep the menus if you have to, but at least let me rest my hand a bit. Make a design where there is a consistent Forward/Back and Confirm/Cancel action and let me use those functions from my secondary controller (aka not the pointer) _without_ having to wave it around. Perhaps mirror my actions 90 degrees so that what I actually am pointing at is the ground, but I'm selecting things in front of me. Hell, just put the screen on the ground. Why not? As long as I don't have to spend more than a few minutes looking at it, there's no harm in it. And it would also cleanly indicate someone in a multiplayer game that is menuing. Perhaps even a pre-made sleep animation could be applied. It'd certainly help a bit with the jank. There are so many such options that help avoid clunky 2d surfaces and buttons, and people use basically none of them.

You could itch or pick at them behind your back, that could help with mis-inputs

Im sure apple thought about that and has a way to make sure the pinching is deliberate. Im not saying apple is perfect but their software is usually pretty spot on with thinking of small quality of life things like that.

@Gamer Bros True, but thats pretty uncomfortable and inconvenient. If i can lock the input that would help

@Sahil P MKBHD said it happened to him a few times when he used it. They do have a year to fix it tho

Do you misclick often when using mouse?

Yes and no - but only no for the same reason why you have anything like a console, pc, mobile, etc device in your house in the first place. They already know 99% of what you are looking at anyways. Yes, because your topic isnt going to be about eye tracking it self - but the ads that come with it... and that is a different topic - but an important one.

I'm afraid meta is so far behind versus apple on the software side that even with the hardware present it won't compete. It may become obvious after the Vision's release and direct comparisons

@@retrocomputing in what way do you think their behind. I do agree that having the apple ecosystem is huge and something meta can never do. It does make sense that company who creates iPhones, would actually be the one to replace iPhones. However with that said, nothing apple showed can't already be done with a quest device (IE: movies, browsing the web, ar, VR, hand tracking, eye tracking ...etc) although with apple, it would look amazing given the specs.

yeah, but what's the point if no one's gonna buy it because it's so expensive? it's just gonna be a PCVR 2.0 where the layman just ignores it, dismissing it as an expensive gimmick.

@@ilikestuff8218 but it's apple, they have so many dickriders it might just make it into the mainstream

@@ilikestuff8218 because it's gotta be good before you make it cheap

​@@gabepvpz A better chip will make it good, not eye tracking. You think eye tracking is going to make better games? and before you mention foveated rendering. you don't need Eye Tracking for Foveated Rendering, Quest 2 itself already has it, it's called Fixed Foveated Rendering.

Agree Meta should take notes but Apple is not trying to lock down the gaming market like Meta is. They’re not direct competitors. Person spending $500 wouldn’t be the same person spending $3500 and vice versa

@@scenekid0014 Oh I know they are not direct competitors, what I was stating is that Meta already has the tech if they want to compete. They just have to tweak it a little bit.