SHOCKING Metal Removal | Pushing The Limits Using NEW KCP25C Inserts

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Tyson CNC Machines 1045 Steel using Kennametal's NEW KCP25C Insert. He Programs a Pinch Turning Operation on DN Solution's SMX 3100ST to really put these Inserts to the Test. These Inserts were Built to DESTROY material. Link below to buy these NEW Kennametal inserts.
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00:00 900 SFM on 1045 Steel
00:29 First look at Kennametal's NEW KCP25C Insert
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01:45 KCP25C Classification
02:40 Building the Tools in Haimer Crib
04:09 Pinch Turning Machining on DN Solutions SMX 3100ST
05:00 Designing and Programming the Part
07:00 Results after First Operation
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09:08 Depth of Cut at .200
11:06 Insert Performance
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КОМЕНТАРІ: 166

@patrickclay8232 Рік тому

18 just graduated highschool last year I joined an apprenticeship program at an aerospace job shop at 16 never having much desire to go to university despite being in honors and ap classes all through highschool. I’ve absolutely fallen in love with the industry and a big part of that is thanks to people like you guys

@BuschLightMatters69 Рік тому

No one cares

@zeitgeist2720 Рік тому

@@BuschLightMatters69 loser hater

@monfbull2015 Рік тому

@@BuschLightMatters69 💀

@jakeaustin901 Рік тому

Don't listen to @@BuschLightMatters69 Keep that up my man. He's probably typing it in his parents' basement.

@mehmettemel8725 Рік тому

@@BuschLightMatters69 Then why did you read it and commented?

@Vankel83 Рік тому

That cutting was pretty impressive. Hat's off to Kennametal for providing a really good insert.

@alan.macrae Рік тому

Another very informative video for those of us non-machinists. The only machining I've ever done was in HS, decades ago. These videos of the work you do are amazing.

@TITANSofCNC Рік тому

Thanks Alan… Have a a great day. Titan

@davidzizelman2061 6 місяців тому

@@TITANSofCNC the insert in the video, is that the 432 medium versatile? We’re having a hard time with 1026 hot form tubing material. If these are still able to be purchased at $6 per I’d love to try them out. I believe I signed up for cncexpert a while back, I think.

@Joe___R Рік тому

It is always nice to watch you guys push your tooling and machines to their max. Most shops are afraid to run parts as fast as their machines can go. You guys do it regularly and still maintain the highest quality standards possible. Every shop could take some lessons from you on how to run a successful machine shop and do it while making the most advanced parts in the industry.

@wendull811 Рік тому

I remember when seco and all insert companies had black coated inserts and the whole machine trade complained that it was to hard to see the edge wear and reading the insert. So they switched to a silver or gold coated instead.

@user-dl4oo9qz2d Рік тому

I was using tips like that in 1995, we faced as first op to save Damage from the irregular cuts

@i3l4ckskillzz79 Рік тому

He did it for a reason.

@scottetling3887 Рік тому

Outstanding video Tyson and Greg and to the entire TOC team. Congratulations and thank you. #Kennametal #KCP25C #TOC

@trevorgoforth8963 Рік тому

This video is packed with information, nice work Tyson!

@christophervillalpando1815 Рік тому

Awesome video Tyson! We love to see pinch turning!

@wyattpond7649 Рік тому

10:30 Tyson’s smile in the corner is hilarious. You should add an operator cam angle

@rollscones7519 Рік тому

Different depth of cuts has moved the notch wear, as you guys know. Love the videos 👌

@offuttjr Рік тому

Thanks for all your team does … Thanks .

@camman945 9 місяців тому

You guys need to do some videos on turning and milling phenolics, plastics, and other composite materials. Also, should do some videos on tooling geometry and it's applications. Can't really find anything on why certain angles, back grinds, insert styles, rakes, chip breakers, etc are to be used and when in depth other than "this metal, use this rake" Thank you guys. Your channel is awesome. Love from Pittsburgh, PA

@kylejanice2191 Рік тому

Working previously in a CNC shop the only tooling we used was kennametal and sandvik coromant keep up the good work !

@Baby_J1 Рік тому

Did you notice a difference in the Kennametal inserts vs the Sandvik inserts?

@Yourmommaluvsme Рік тому

Great job Tyson, those were some nice, satisfying cuts my dude

@jasonbaker5929 Рік тому

I love watching your videos and they are very informative. I have been machining for nearly 30 years and this isn't what I would consider heavy turning. I have run some of the largest lathes around my area. Heavy turning I did was .625 DOC or greater at feed rate of up to .063 IPR.

@shaundemello8705 8 місяців тому

It's a puma. Pretty sure the torque isn't there for the deeper cuts.

@deamrules9769 Рік тому

Those 5mms on each insert at the end looks crazy. I used to make such parts with a tailstock for safety Keep on guys 👌🏻

@ryanclarke2161 Рік тому

your a total wizard Tyson, keep it up man.

@Arthur-ue5vz Рік тому

Now that's a killer insert! Steel doesn't have a chance against this insert! What an impressive piece of modern genius driven engineering! $6 for this beast insert - that's insane! .... and it's indexable! That's crazy! I don't see how you could possibly keep these in stock - these should be on permanent backorder..... Crazy engineering, crazy price, crazy availability, the world has gone totally mad, nuts, twilight zone stuff! Wow! You guys are lifting up the world of machining for everyone! Thank y'all for what you're doing! It's a good work. Kudos to each and every one of you on the team there in Flower Mound! Thank you!!!! 🙂

@W4LNUSS Рік тому

I ran a Tungaloy insert(CNMG120408-TM_T9225)(~7,5€) in 1.7131(5115) a few weeks ago with 280m/min 7mmDOC and 0.48mm/rev on a DMG CTXbeta800. To be fair I was using regular 10Bar floodcoolant.

@user-dn5ue7je5n 2 місяці тому

Для твоих параметров лучше стружколом TH и радиус пластины 1.2...

@toyfoxythemangletangle6306 Рік тому

That definitely was a truly impressive depth of cut😳...man that is so crazy! 🤣

@4418CARLOU Рік тому

I used to do 15 degree approach, 3/8" per side, .032" per rev feed on EN19T shafts on an old DSG centre lathe many years ago. The load meter was around 70%.

@brianroby8214 Рік тому

Tried this type of machining on a 4 axis Okuma LC20M approx 33 years ago. The only difference being that the Upper and Lower tools are exactly 180° apart, so I got to thinking if I precisley set the Z tool offset so that both tools were at the same posn on Z at all times I could "Double" the feedrate! Effective feedrate on each tool was only 50% of the actual programmed feedrate. Okuma allowes you to use "P" codes to keep both turrets synchronised at all times. Insane productivity! If the Z offsets were not exact, this would result in the "Leading" turret taking a heavier feedrate, so you had to make sure that you checked this.

@duwacker16 Рік тому

I love those kcp inserts. In industry I have always referred to them as Oreo's. 650-700sfm you can run them all day without switching corners in some scaly material.

@TheOutbackIndustries Рік тому

My rep brought these inserts by a few weeks ago along with a super secret new endmill. And my lathe guys loves them. About to fill up my ROTOPOInt with them

@llljj9 Рік тому

Was the end mill an 8flute with a new coating?

@TheOutbackIndustries Рік тому

@@llljj9 no, 5 flute that could plunge like a drill. I wasn’t allowed to take any photos. Wrecked some 17-4 cond A

@epictales1307 Рік тому

If I had a CNC machine, you guys would have sold me a handful of these at the least. Nice work on the video. I wish I was able to learn this stuff.

@nickestes1839 Рік тому

They are not just for CNC machines. I bought some for a regular manual lathe.

@HenrikSkov-DK Рік тому

I totally work in the wrong place... 😆 Looks like a fun place to work, pushing the limits 😁

@adammiller4879 Рік тому

Iv used these inserts for a long time! They were great, loved using them On 4140 , chips break like butter even at lower feed rates, I typically turned at .040 per rev and faced at .050 for roughing. Kennametal makes the best inserts/ drills, sandvik beats them on endmills

@Baby_J1 Рік тому

Did you notice a difference in the Kennametal inserts vs the Sandvik inserts? Like the ones in video?

@adammiller4879 Рік тому

@@Baby_J1 just the price!😂 sandvik is so expensive. Haven’t really looked too closely at them never noticed how it directs coolant to the tip

@ChrisMaj Рік тому

1045 isn't really some crazy steel to machine. Yes, they use high SFM, but 0.012 IPR isn't impressive, and he basically used two inserts for roughing this piece.

@adammiller4879 Рік тому

@@ChrisMaj yeah I know, they haven’t really pushed their lathes very hard

@donniehinske Рік тому

Awesome video Tyson! Luckily I never have to worry about you stealing my material!!!

@artcnc8089 Рік тому

the machine is really good what application does it use can you use mastercam?

@theccieguy Рік тому

Great Job 👍

@gm5957 Рік тому

Those inserts being 6$ a piece actually blew my mind. I have watched few these type channels and always figured these were super expensive

@TITANSofCNC Рік тому

Many are… $6 is almost giving them for free.

@willyharris4199 Рік тому

Yeah these inserts are mega cheap, just tried looking at ordering some online but wondering how much shipping is to the UK? It wanted to charge me before I found out shipping charges

@printgymnast368 Рік тому

@@TITANSofCNC We've been using them at my job for a couple weeks now and have been blown away with the price vs. performance compared to our old SECO insets. I was surprised to see a video with the exact same insert

@phillhuddleston9445 Рік тому

@@willyharris4199 I just ordered some and you can see the shipping cost after typing in all the information before clicking the final payment button.

@first25q43 Рік тому

On parts 12 inches or bigger. Was doing that with cemented carbide tool bits. In the late 80s. On a manual monarch lathe.

@robertmizek3315 Рік тому

Great content!

@Gbeamon9 Рік тому

loll my shop mainly uses Sandvik, and last week a Kennametal distributor showed up to get us to try these inserts, they aren't bad, just nothing special, we use similar cnmg insert from sandvik that works just fine.

@bobsbillets 7 місяців тому

I think for most shops, what would be the deciding factor, would be what the price of the insert costs. Most inserts today will cut very similar if used for their intended purpose.

@jjamespacbell 7 місяців тому

When roughing I would always take a depth of cut about 3/4 of the depth of the insert. Never at 1/2 depth of insert as the stresses at the insert hole will cause failure.

@grislyregent5227 Рік тому

how would these work on 8620 steel?

@archie3537 Рік тому

What about your chuck pressure?

@fredaraujo6345 Рік тому

Will these also work as good on stainless steel?

@raymonschepers994 Рік тому

How come i’ve worked with this type of cutting tool tungsten plate 10 years ago. Only they’re fabricated by Sandvik?

@artur_daki1682 Рік тому

why dont you do facing first and then rough through the material, so the insert is not hitting the sawn surface at the start of the cut? I think by cleaning it first the insert can hold for much longer

@ryanharsch042 Рік тому

With such a heavy piece of stock it makes sense to balance the weight by OD cutting before running the higher rpm required to face down to center

@artur_daki1682 Рік тому

But those inserts are probably made to stand these factors so maybe you safe yourself time with not doing that right?

@phillhuddleston9445 Рік тому

@@ryanharsch042 True but after you get full cleanup on the od you can then face it and go back to turning the od.

@evanhall19 Рік тому

Gonna be using these in 4340 tomorrow with a .150 DOC, curious to see how they do. Our tool rep gave us a bunch to test

@drafty0183 Рік тому

How did it go? We do 4140 quite a bit, so would be interested to know how you went with the 4340.

@evanhall19 Рік тому

@Drafty01 running at 320SFM feeding at .022 DOC .150 it's doing much better than our sumitomo 543 AC8025P EMU! The sumi made 2 parts while the cnmg 543 KC25P made 5, we are using a slightly different chip breaker shown in video. We tried to bump up the sfm but it quickly failed. We are in cut for roughly 16min. Still trying to get things dialed in.

@philou0187 Рік тому

Nice !

@flikflak24 6 місяців тому

12 inch? That's cute That stock will fit in the holes in my parts with space to spare

@steveanderson4768 Рік тому

That’s an awesome infomercial for those inserts but they do exactly what they say they will do. I’ve never seen a better chips that are damn near the exact same color question will the insert have a little discoloration if you use coolant, they should’ve done that to show or flip it around and show you run in a monster cut with coolant to show no heat discoloration on the insert

@urlauberxs Рік тому

thanks

@bobsbillets 7 місяців тому

I think for most shops, what would be the deciding factor, would be what the price of the insert costs. Most inserts today will cut very similar if used for their intended purpose.

@balooc2 Рік тому

how come you dont have any type of crane in the shop for big parts or moving fixtures around? kinda annoying to make space for a large forklift to do heavier lifting.

@hutchinsoncaraudio9234 Рік тому

I use these inserts they are as good as they say. Significantly longer lasting then my sandvik inserts

@edlooney9625 Рік тому

Nice blue 6 and 9 chips.

@joshaugustine439 6 місяців тому

I love you guys and gals over at titan inspiration daily keep it up.

@shaundemello8705 8 місяців тому

I wanna see that on 316SS.

@josechavez3670 Рік тому

Those last cuts were absolutely sexy. Great job Tyson, breaking the rules😊

@user-de9hn7nr8k Рік тому

Красавчик, единственный нормальный пацан из титанов, остальным только на рынке пластинами торговать

@paulscottbaker6042 2 місяці тому

My cnc days are over now I use to run a Chiron

@smug8461 Рік тому

I use the inserts all the time at work and they will cut even with the edges completely blown off. These things last forever.

@bobbg9041 Рік тому

In 1045? That heat treating materials.

@DolezalPetr Рік тому

suuuuper nice

@kransurfing Рік тому

What a crazy price!!

@emailformosa Рік тому

When you speed up the replay of footage, you should be indicating that with something like, “ x 2 “ in the corner of the video (or something)

@seimela Рік тому

Can i buy this from you guys in USA and go collect in South Africa Kennametal

@extrakid12 2 місяці тому

why no coolant?

@dylatron3000 Рік тому

Man the machine shops i've worked in need to really switch up to Kennametal inserts, they're so durable and thermally resistant and that price, oh man you just can't beat that. Sandvik you better watch out..

@meocats Рік тому

there's a guy on youtube trepaning inconel 1.5 meters deep with sandvik inserts and he shows you how 1 sandvik insert makes for 20 kennametal

@wickedbg Рік тому

sandvik is the best!

@michaeltrilck5680 Рік тому

@@meocats That‘s for shure,mate!!! KM is for „Garage-Hobby-Machining“… SANDVIK is for the pro’s… SANDVIK has the WIDEST Range of Hard Metal Grades , the best coatings and the best cutting Edge geometries… AND the newest Technology in Y - axes turning, i think… And don‘t fortget „PrimeTurning“ programed with „MasterCam 2020“ or newer… And now you understand the Price of 6Dollar‘s per insert…

@Jeremy-80 Рік тому

I dont know if anyone who knows anything reads these comments and responds like titan himself. But im struggling trying to straight knurl monel fast or even better than 1 a day. I have a non adjustable cnc knurling tool. The clap style i could not figure out on cnc.. Anyone have any tips or tricks?

@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 Рік тому

I still use high speed steel in a lantern tool post, a bit different.

@highpointsights Рік тому

I worked at a shop in California that made there daily living doing parts (aerospace) that halfdozen other shops refused to bid on!! Several years ago they brought in a slender (stianless I think) maybe .4 diameter in places .125 inothers, 6 or 7 inches long), round part that several other shops had tried runout tolerances of of .0001-.0002. The customer wanted at least he thought it should be ground. This Latino kid (everybody is a kid to me @ 76) turned it on a Hardinge!!! You ought to find him. I can give you his name (I had the guys sign my tool box when I left there )!!!

@brandons9138 Рік тому

Sounds like a cake walk on a Swiss machine.

@tarehjernetarehjerne4082 Рік тому

May I know if Titan’s has tried Walter cutting tools and your experience with them?

@TITANSofCNC Рік тому

I have and they have many great tools.

@legggl8648 Рік тому

In my shop we have Walter tools only for turning, except grooving where we use Horn and Arno, and you can really push these inserts. I was turning a big pipe(OD: 900mm, 4000mm long) and i had to take the outside scale down with one cut, and the machine and inserts just pushed through with a doc of about 10mm, with the weld spiking at about 15mm , a constant 1.1mm per rev feed and 180m/min cutting speed. these Walter inserts are great. One cut took about 45min

@85CEKR Рік тому

Every brand has their place, we do alot of turning at our shop and I would say for ISO turning Walter is definitely superior to kennametal

@MichaelQShaw Рік тому

Awesome, I’m looking for a machinist to machine the Constant Shifting Center of Gravity Rotor, the Center of Gravity Pendulum MQShawGravity

@phillhuddleston9445 Рік тому

Very impressive, I would have expected the corner to have started chipping out with running no coolant, at that price it's a no-brainer even for manual laths that aren't running coolant all the time. It seems kind of crazy that you would machine such a large and expensive piece of bar stock just for a video but I guess it makes sales and revenue from video but after just placing an order of steel at around $15K I would hate to waste that much steel just to test and demonstrate a product, too bad you didn't have a part order that could have been used for this test.

@mehmettemel8725 Рік тому

If it wasn't held in that Schunk chuck I would have been a little nervous.

@user-yo9vm1lg2f 4 місяці тому

La lubrification est en option sur les tours à commande numérique

@florianjungwirth9638 2 місяці тому

I wonder why they didn’t use any coolant.

@quickfingersmagee1 Рік тому

I about had a stroke at 10:55!!!

@unfinishedgamesnDLC 4 місяці тому

C is also Kennametal

@mattiasarvidsson8522 Рік тому

very short clamping distance, and on the unmachined surface.. It's making me nervous 😅

@billynomates920 Рік тому

kennametal, i appreciate your engineering but i'm still calling that the gedderdun insert. those cuts were ridiculous!

@ardennielsen3761 Рік тому

always easy to cut 40'000-60'000psi tensile mild steel.

@gertkristensen6451 Рік тому

face this part first . yes yes big cut = big brand new machine ..

@TheHenzen Рік тому

"Depth of cut" counter

@wyborowiecpl1031 Рік тому

Thats a thick metal rod

@swordfish2089 Рік тому

So tell me, how impressed are you with these inserts?

@MooreCNC 9 місяців тому

Works in a pinch

@KFrog602 Рік тому

Seeing that with out fluid makes my gums hurt

@martin309 Рік тому

Steel looking better on the inside...

@Xphinity 5 місяців тому

Jeez man, crashes must cost you so much to repair

@twooldfartsinanrv7137 Рік тому

Would like a comparison with other brands. I never let my programmers just SWITCH inserts to a new brand without testing..

@kreeskalay7042 Рік тому

They are sponsored by Kemametal, you won't see other brands unfortunately

@TheShannon60 Рік тому

Using coolant would most likely have caused the insert to thermal fracture

@bobsbillets 7 місяців тому

IF the cutting stress is low it would never get hot enough to get to that point. Being that they said multiple times they were not using it for filming, they probably recommend running coolant with this insert. Otherwise, it would have been noted in the video that this was designed to be run without coolant. And, my experience running my cnc lathe is that inserts last longer and produce a better finish running coolant.

@TheShannon60 7 місяців тому

@@bobsbillets that’s fine for finishing, when you are trying to maximize stock removal turn it off and let the heat leave with the chip. Try it, slow down the sfm and turn the feed up. You should always be using different tools for roughing and finishing

@budisansamuelfabian6233 Рік тому

So why did you not use coolant?

@phillhuddleston9445 Рік тому

Strictly so we could see what's going on in the video.

@budisansamuelfabian6233 Рік тому

@@phillhuddleston9445 no, i think he just forgot to turn it on. He would have told us if was for the video purpose.

@phillhuddleston9445 Рік тому

@@budisansamuelfabian6233 He did mention it in the video.

@simoniscasesensitive Рік тому

A 13 minute #ad, 5 minutes of my life I won’t get back

@ferdywolters6005 Рік тому

Radius On the insert? 1,2mm

@ytfan3815 Рік тому

R = 0.8 mm

@mohamedsalahcnc7910 Рік тому

I want your shirt❤

@idkidk8278 2 місяці тому

You guys should do a satisfying video.. With less talking.... With no talking and no people

@LordandGodofYouTube Рік тому

I actually like the dramatic music in your videos as someone learning to make music, but I have always wished someone would put some totally inappropriate music in a video, like sad music for a happy scene, dramatic music for a calm scene, or comedic music for a dramatic scene. I think it would be something different that would make a video memorable.

@currentbatches6205 Рік тому

Our company contracts with several/many CNC suppliers for our products and we are familiar with CNC processes. The operators who produce this series are not any suppliers with whom we would ever contract. Braggarts and nothing more.

@3dbarn547 Рік тому

No coolant for filming purposes if you guys didn’t know 😅

@michaelbayer5887 Рік тому

... make the golden Cut 1:1.618.

@gj91471 Рік тому

Sumitomo is the best on the Planet....

@user-lz8vm3xj7n 10 місяців тому

Sandvik is the best !!!!!!!!!!!!!

@andregarel4397 7 місяців тому

J'était Technico-Commercial chez Sandvik France département Coromant en 1968 ( Levalois Perret Paris )..........et avions les meilleures plaquettes....Seco moyen..Kenametal moyen..en fait peu de concurence à cette époque.