I recommended ArchTitus in the comments on that vid

sorry for spam - but I just hate to see content creators "abuse" the "it was once a bug" to pin their own comments for some stuff that actually belongs into the video description ... but hey, guess it's "guideline" pretty much about everyone follows ... is this in the current YT guides as recommended? jeez ... this should had been fixed before it went that viral

This is good! Do it again please.

I’d like you to always do reaction videos on their series

@@cryptearth people don’t seem to read video descriptions. Pinning it makes sense

@@tomjoad6993 its slow af

The only reason I have pamac installed is for the update indicator icon. Makes it easier to see exactly what packages have updates. I use arch btw

YaST, Synaptic, Solus pkg manager, there are some great exceptions. Although yeah I'd agree many Linux distros desperately need to fix GUI package managers and suggesting new users to use the CLI is never a solution.

the cli is what uninstalled his desktop anyway. there's no winning on linux

@@stephenkamenar nope he uninstalled it himself^^, the terminal even warned him. linux let you do dumb fucking stuff

Like, really. It's terrible, this is 90% on Pop!_OS. No end user should have to deal with this. As Linus Torvalds said many times: "Don't break user space"

@@realtechhacks Someone on WAN show today told Linus that since he isn't a contributor to the project he has no right to complain about anything in the distro. Which more or less sums up my experiences trying to use linux, and the community around it.

@@glahtiguy Yeah, I heard that, absolutely ridiculous. It's like saying that just because you're not a member of congress you can't complain about the government.

@@glahtiguy that's absolutely frequent and when I see it, I just think on how ignorant the person saying this shit really is.

And to be fair, he should have read those warnings before running anything on the terminal. It is assumed that someone using the terminal knows what he is doing at least to the point of reading the text displayed, which was full of useful warnings telling Linus not to proceed with that.

I totally agree with this. It was very fair and balanced and even offered good expansion on ways to teach more methods.

lol twice ... up your game i can remember a few times in the early days when i would manage to break an install 6 ot 7 times due to package issues ... each time inn a slightly deferent way ... and then it happened again recently when I went back to my first love (Slackware) for the first time in a while

Lmao why go through the trouble. Same goes for every Linux user out there I guess.

@@duranarts At least when I nuked a Linux install, it was always my own fault, and I eventually learned what not to do. Windows was haunted and stopped working for no apparent reason.

@@swagar lol, barely learned how to use linux last year due to class requirements. (was getting a crash course on servers, both windows and linux). Talk about 20 or so students just nuking their linux in weird ways, and 3 of the linux pros just trying not to pull their hair out helping everybody. And yes, i screwed up my initial instal by accident with that. Found some commands that helped prevent that issue in the future. At least somewhat. Still learning everything.

@@Disrupterds Did you respond to the wrong comment or something? I wouldn't be using apt if I was building from source. dpkg, maybe, but even it wouldn't be complaining about dependencies and removing things if I wrote my own package. Dependency conflicts happen constantly in Debian derivative distros, and even in vanilla Debian if you're using testing/unstable/experimental, and truthfully it's one of the reasons I switched to Arch. I don't consider Windows superior because of it, not even slightly. But it is a pitfall when you're starting out. All it takes is for one package maintainer to screw up, and when you use a derivative distro, you have multiple points of failure there.

I agree, this is a perfect example of new user interaction and roadblocks they encounter. I love Linus for doing it this way.

@@ChrisTitusTech Unless said change is like GNOME trying to fight theming in the name of "unified platform". No, please, no. (And yes, the issue is actually quite complex and there are valid arguments for their actual standpoint. I'm talking very-very generally here).

Only on the just-works distros

@@royshapiro2763 Here is my understanding. They are separating GTK styles and adding it to GNOME. Coz GTK is supposed to be cross platform. So Libadwaita is born. Hard coded. And it'll get a Coloring API that can change accent and colors but it wont be as flexible as now. But I think user can still override it. Hopefully.

complaining about not being able to play windows games is not going to change anything. you need to force aaa game companies to make the games to also install into Linux. his big problem is he wants it to be put a disk in and play for. its like why cant i play a ps5 game in a xbox? i use open suse it works amazing and the package manager is super ez. YAST for the win.

100% agree

Agreed

Yeah

@@Boxish Yea I was surprised that H3H3 won their lawsuit against that weird parkour guy way back, because if you watched the whole reaction video, then you've pretty much seen the original video too. It doesn't have the same feel to it because of the constant interruptions, hence making it "transformative", but I don't know why anyone would want to watch the original if they already saw full a reaction to it.

@@Boxish depends, it is better if you haven't watched the original video but you should always watch the original first

A completely casual, non-tech savvy user should be smart enough to First Watch a Video on how to install Linux and Follow that Guide!!!

@@spooky3669*6-24 hours course to become Linux graduate*

@@spooky3669ah yes only to be lead by a 10 hour long rundown of trying to install gentoo

@@spooky3669 the problem is that the average beginner also doesn't know which sources to watch. There are a lot of questionable guides on YT and the rest of the interwebs.

Non savvy but decides to do it anyway when it literally says "do not do this unless you know exactly what you are doing"

Yeah this is literally unique!

Yeah but fr Linus went full retard on this one.

it's almost like that's not the linux way of doing things. come on, fight me.

@Connor Bensyl i'm not saying it shouldn't be done. It would be grade to have an enterprise grade linux distro where everything could be done from the GUI and all packages are tested and stable and nothing ever breaks but come on, who's gonna do all that work knowing that no matter how hard you try no distro will ever be perfect?

@@_invencible_ Ever heard of Red Hat? come on man...

@@tonymarcuscassani9465 are you talking about RHEL or Fedora? Fedora isn't bad at all, but i don't think someone like linus would like the vanilla gnome experience

@@tonymarcuscassani9465 Red hat is actually profitable.... you won't want to bring up the idea of profit in linux community right? Dev are suppose to work for free and get paid in ''exposure''.

Using both GUI and command line is the golden middle, because there will never exist a GUI for *everything* Linux is capable for. Crucial stuff are automated on the kernel side, everything else is a matter of a bit of knowledge and luck. That's just how it always worked, how it works, and how it will always work. And to me personally, that's not an issue. I never liked not being informed about the guts of my software, anyway With all of that, devs, just please make your distro stable

@@mariozenarju6461 that's also how windows works, except everything is welded togheter and sloppily glued to a terrible UI.

@@theairaccumulator7144 Yep, so why change a thing that works perfectly for it's purposes

I switched to linux and found the complete reliance on the terminal to be one of the more frustrating things about it, I'm a very visual learner so just blindly copy pasting stuff in the terminal actually hinders me from learning whats going on. But the thing that killed linux for me was trying to mod a game, vortex was 100% broken on lutris and it was mostly broken on the alternatives that i had to hunt for. once i did get it working i ran into a storage issue, and then another issue, and another until i just realized that i would be spending days getting this working when literally on windows i need to press install and download mods. and its not worth nexus time to make it easy on linux because an insanely low number of users where even trying to use vortex so it was just never going to get as easy as it is in windows.

@@Nord_Kitten skill issue

Linux has thing where its made by developers so it ends up being what they want a OS to be. Since Linux is made by just random developers unless there is a normal user who somehow happens to be able to make UI I don't see Linux ever changing unless their is finical incentives like the smartphone market.

The thing is that whilst, yes, the Terminal is really a dangerous place to be, it's pretty much the main reason to get a Linux machine. The GUI stuff is always clunky and a more raw experience than OSX or Windows. So beyond ethical reasons, the main strength of Linux is the terminal. Of course, OSX also has a very similar terminal which diminishes this a bit, but that's a whole other argument. So to say that a big part of the Linux userbase shouldn't use the terminal is pretty much eliminating the point of using Linux over Windows.

It is also "unacceptable"/a bad thing as a professional and experienced user. The DE should be a complete environment to work with things and to fix things. It might even be done by "text" communication as long as it is an integrated experience with the user interface.

@@deanolium I think Linux has other pros than the terminal and ethical. Its also free and fast which is the main reason I run it. But I do think about it as a power user thing and not for the every day joe

​ @PleaseDontWatchThese The everyday joe can barely use Windows without breaking shit or having their edge toolbar filled with "freeware". Normies are and will remain shit at tech and no amount of UI coddling/dumbing down will ever change that because they have zero curiosity to learn anything at all. All the UI dumbdown does is make it harder for tech support to help because the settings you do need to have a look at are buried under a mountain of crap.

You don't have to. Most Linux users just end up using the terminal, because it is actually quicker and more flexible than any GUI tool will ever be. I mean: why do you think Microsoft saw a need to add the Powershell to Windows?

Both Linus and Chris have made it clear you still have to at some point. The moment you have to google a command or open the terminal you've lost nearly everyone. Linux is still a power user's OS. The powershell is not a good example. The powershell is for advanced/power users. Your average user won't even know its something they can access. The gui is the front of the windows os and its proof that it can get the job done well enough. This is not the case with linux and is almost completely the opposite. Linux community has to get rid of this "use the termainal" mindset if they want it to become truly popular. It is not acceptable. I will not be surprised that in the following episodes of LTT's series on this. That if they have to use it again at some point.

@@thaurane I repeat: in any modern distro you *dont* have to use the terminal for tasks a normal user would want to do. It may sometimes be more efficient to use the terminal, but you _really_ dont have for everyday tasks.

@@stephanweinberger linus was forced to go to the terminal just to install steam. There was no other choice

@@stephanweinberger That's nonsense. The terminal is absolutely required in Linux, even these days. I try to daily drive Linux every year or so..and EVERY time I run into numerous issues that require hours of googling and fixes via terminal. It has never "just worked" for me. Ever.

I agree with them both. Linus is me when I deal with linux problems. Luke is me when linux works.

Straight up Luke has been having such a great time haha

Luke has the advantage of having used Linux every day for 2 years.

I dont think code developers want non-pro's in the community. It's a status thing.

@@AnotherCasualViewer yeah i just dont get that mindset thought

@@AnotherCasualViewer It's an elitist thing. No way related to status.

@@redspade2303 elitism is literally status related, my status is so much higher than yours that I don't want you near me

@@redspade2303 It's more about laziness than about elitism. Making good UI with helpful tooltips, i18n, fool proofing it, making sure it plays well with other software, checking for corner cases takes a lot of time. Developers know these corner checks, they are more interested in adding new shiny features or work at other projects rather than to spend literally weeks to implement safeguard they will never encounter

Don't worry about what the arrogant jerks think. Linux is an enjoyable and useful thing to learn. Just remember, in a few years when you have mastered the subject, don't be like them, and be kind/helpful to others coming up.

It's nice when you find the good people. There's a Tobias in the fedora chats who basically just spends all day helping everyone. Really quality. But then when you go into those asynchronous, non-community focussed spaces like forums and reddit, you'll just find they are absolutely full of toxicity

I think the most terrifying experience for me so far was actually IRL. I was at a D&D cafe, a perfect location for nerdy gathering things, and when I was there I saw a sticker of Xenia, and the Arch logo on this one chick's laptop. So I go over and I'm casually like "hey, nice Arch, and Xenia stickers." And I shit you not she looked up, glared at me, and growled like an animal.

​@@stagdragon3978 Maybe it has nothing to do with you mentioning Arch and it's actually because you like My Little Pony and/or dressing up like a non-human animal.

@@encycl07pedia- You mean a humanoid animal. Also I don't think they were aggressive because of that. Have you even seen the other Linux mascot, Xenia?

Well explain this to the people who are shouting with their ears closed

I did typed this comment with a keyboard. This is a real criticism of Linux. It is maintained by users that prefer the keyboard

I never use GUI installer because the progress bar sometimes doesn’t work lol, it’s unfortunate because majority of people will prefer GUI.

Abandon all hope ye Windows users who enter Linux. You will find no refuge here!

I think normies should definitely learn the most basic commands since that's the superiority of linux. It way faster to be like "sudo apt install spotify" than to go on a web, search everywhere for the download, download it, open the exe files, click through the installer, and after some time youre finish So tell me, how is GUI faster or easier in this case?

That's how you get views in a way if you think 🤷

@@sandipdaw5023 tbh I don't mind, this challenge seems to have come out pretty entertaining

Im pretty sure that new channels will be created just for reacting to linus...im joking but seriously linus linux series will be really important to us and to the linux ecosystem, and expecting more linux channels in the future!

100 likes - that a record for me by a factor of 10 !!! I am enjoying this LTT feature and the buzz it is creating

I hope so. I might even watch Distrodweeb if he does a react.

would love to see Chris collab react with Anthony from LTT 🙂

@@nikkolast19 amazing! 👍

Linus Tech Tips meets Chris Titus Tech to Try a Tempting Tech. It would be quite a tremendous video!

Exactly. I've wasted enough time on it. If I want to play games I'll use the PS5.

Very true. If I knew how much time I would waste on installing Gentoo or BSD, I would have stopped doing so.

or maybe have some distro's that are actually user friendly instead of claiming to be user friendly

It'd be really cool if at some point you could recommend one of the distros (I don't see this happening). That's where I think business model adjustments could help maybe similar to fedora but for the "filthy casuals."

​@@deeznuttes9340 You have a skewed view. User-friendlyness is in the eye of the beholder, it depends on what you use your computer for. Linux is well suited for users that need user-friendliness the most. Those that use browser, some common apps, an office suite, and off the shelve hardware. No mess with having to download programs from websites to install or update them. Stay on the beaten path and linux is more userfriendly to a noob than windows. Go off the beaten path and you're confronted with more freedom = including the freedom to break anything, and less friends/relatives who can help you out. Unfortunately, gaming is already off the beaten path. Mainly because installing games and apps that the developer didn't intend to work on linux is a challenge on any platform.

I really like how his face went from happy to "oh no" when this warning about steam showed up and then terminal with command to delete everything was on the screen. And "oh no" in rather friendly way, like pls no

I kind of wished Linus from LTT stopped approaching everything with a negative combative tone. There will always been fanboys who are annoying. Though there are many users like the one who made this video that know what is really going on and are reasonable.

Chris is super nice and understands that not everyone is a Linux expert lol

And also the millions of dollars worth of deals Microsoft is doing with companies to sell the computers with windows.

I'm a Windows user and I also laughted an Linus bricking his pc while installing Steam 😂 He is a content creator and his videos are meant to be entertaining, this is not a war

To be fair, microsoft store is a buggy mess and is horrendous to deal with. I usually go ahead and install an app from the apps site or use ninite or chocolaty. Looking back I almost failed an exam in university because windows 10 was very adamant about installing an update and saturating the hard drive io that I couldn't do anything, it wasn't even responding to closing the updates services and the group policies. Still daily driving windows 10 but it is still a nightmare, right clicking on desktop takes 2 seconds for forks sake.

Not to mention that I was forced to do a clean reinstall of windows because the store was bugging out and not letting me BUY something. Such a mess.

@@joel3399 Definitely not a war. That would be the equivalent of a skinny pig (hairless guinea pig) taking on the Axis powers.

Linus' problem is his poor reading comprehension. I would never let him near any production system.

@@0x007A This is supposed to be a challenge to see if normal people can daily drive linux. I would say linus has significantly more understanding of computer systems than the average person, so if he's having so many problems then what hope is there for linux to truly become mainstream.

@@aaaaaaaaabaaaaaaaaa I think Linus problem is he is a busy man. In this video alone it was very much shown that he did this in like 2 hours or so late at night while his wife could be wanting him to go to bed at any moment. If you are in a hurry and especially if you are more tech literate you get into this fallacy where you think “yeah these piles of texts are for beginners, I can just skim through / skip them and hit the buttons, I know what I am doing” hence him probably just searching for commands and then uninstalling the entire desktop environment xD It is not that he is bad at reading, it is that he is not taking the needed time for a system he doesn’t know and you probably cannot even fault him for that after a busy day. The distros can definitely improve some stuff though. This challenge gives some good insights like the “yes, do as I say” prompt is not clear enough. It should be something along those lines of “yes I am aware of the risks” or “yes I understand the consequences” so even if you don’t read what came before it’ll give you some pause and make you reconsider skipping the wall of text. In a way this is probably also a problem of terminals: They are limited in how they can display stuff (since they are not a GUI but a terminal), so it is harder to draw attention to some things and it can just get lost in the wall of text that is very intimidating to people who are not too familiar with tech.

@@keneAhnung11 and you wonder why the average person doesn't use/want to use linux; the lack of self awareness and arrogance of linux users works against them all the time > I think Linus problem is he is a busy man. In this video alone it was very much shown that he did this in like 2 hours or so late at night while his wife could be wanting him to go to bed at any moment. No fucking shit my man, that's 90% of people, they just want to use their computer, not build it, use it, and troubleshoot it every night; reason why mac and iphones are so popular; are yall that dense?

@@r3d0c Linux was never meant for those people. Why expose oneself to problems that can easily be avoided?

So true

Lmao, right!! His screen went black and he just starts smashing the ctrl key, lmao 🤣 😂, omg I'm dead 😵😂!

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It reminded me of that Simpsons episode when Homer realises he can hit Y instead of typing Yes! “I’ve just tripled my productivity!” 😂

"yes, do as I say" should become a viral meme

Thank you. Yes, I agree there should be a more user-friendly route to get our toes wet in Linux. Not saying ALL of Linux should be dumbified. Just give us two distros, one that works more like Mac and one that works more like Windows.

Pop OS seems to give install scripts too much latitude in how they can alter the system. i.e. It should be possible to install steam with User privileges and not have it destroy system files in the process.

such beginner mistakes happen for two reasons a) arrogance (I know everything and I don't read what the system returns as messages) b) tries to have fun while filming the show and the focus is on the camera and not on what it should be doing

But why it made a hard reset?

@@tihomirrasperic No, the terminal throws a wall of text at you. Most of which a beginner cannot easily parse; So you skip over it, missing the seemingly obvious warnings and naively assume it will do what you want. And the "Yes, do as I say" only has stopping power once you know it's not normal and also not just being weird. I could see myself doing the same, when I started using linux. And I still may brick my system by doing similar things in the future. To some extent it's a matter of knowing which parts you can just try and which you need to research and be careful around.

Why? The CLI is even usefull in Windows10 and it is not even by far redundant....

@@BruceCarbonLakeriver Why? CLI is really not needed in Windows for like 99.9% of users. Really, we ended business with CLI after DOS era. Nobody cares about it, if there's a decent GUI.

@@MJ-uk6lu Windows CLI sucked before Powershell was introduced.

and the sign that it was successful. the linux community doesn't need to say "just ask us and we'll help you in forum xyz" because nothing needs to be asked. the gui should be intuitive, with a clear getting started guide, and more detailed information available from the help or about buttons.

@@BruceCarbonLakeriver because most people hate the CLI. Including me. And I work in technology.

Also the devs of these distros, which can be applied to others, will get some feed back that they may help them see what everyday users that are not technical may face. Thereby it will hopefully improve the user experience for everyone.

@@SicariusGaming87 better than ? A black command line right ?

@@dappermuis5002 absolutely feedback That will be a very important note take on I bet devs will be checking on comments and post

@@SicariusGaming87 You can customize it whatever the heck you want to look like

@@SicariusGaming87 You can customize it whatever the heck you want to look like

I agree. If this was some random reddit post this would either be downvoted to hell OR everyone would just say "go learn the terminal and stop crying"

I don't think he was playing 4D chess, as a linux noob myself I managed to kill my desktop and grub several times

Yeah I wondered about that - he's clearly a massive advocate of right to repair/upgradability/avoiding e-waste etc. I think this was a genuine since fixed bug on POP but I wouldn't put it past him to use his clout for a good cause and frankly anything that makes Linux DE more cohesive - pooling the resources currently split across a crazy number of distros - is a very good cause.

A kid making videos and being treated like a "rock star" by many doesn't make him an authority on any topic. He's marketed for UKposts by UKposts to generate ad revenue, nothing more than that.

@@dragoon0anime Hey, it happens. It was the same for me when I started with Linux. It's why you back everything up first. And you learn by mistakes.

In a desktop environment you shouldn't have to drop to CLI to just install basic apps like games. Also the linux community likes to post "just run this in terminal" as the solution to noobs all over forums without explanation.

@@YKSGuy I have felt this pain :(

@@YKSGuy while it isn't that hard, since most tutorials, handbooks or community posts have the necessary commants literally quoted anyways. 2nd I don't get Linus' problem, b/c there was a BIG FAT WARNING he just declined to pay attention and went with "yes, do as I say". And Linux does. And Linus was sad...

I run one Linux machine, my headless server. Runs Plex, a little mumble server, and a minecraft server. For that, it is better than windows... once you get it setup. I f'ing HATE messing with it because it's all CLI and the terminal is a mess. "Just use these arguments" ok.. is that arguments with a / or a - or a --, or just a space because it seems like it changes randomly and is never the same between programs. "RTFM n00b!"" is the usual response I get. If I have to refer to the manual for every single program to use it to do the basic thing it is for, someone messed up here and it wasn't me.

@@YKSGuy terminal stuff you can just copy/paste. I don't know why people prefer 13-step "click here then here then here then here ..." guides instead. Also you don't need to use the terminal normally. It's just a lot easier to help someone by giving them a terminal command that works on 99% of linux distros rather than try to guide them through their specific distro's GUI.

I get it... However, linux really isn't meant for the average gamer. The conclusion of Linus's experience will be use windows. I say this, because I love Linux, but I understand it simply isn't as good as Windows when it comes to gaming and the general population. The big thing I'm curious about is seeing if Google (Chrome OS) or Valve (Steam OS) use Linux to bring it to the normal population. I suppose I could make a video stating this, but it will generally just piss everyone off.

@@ChrisTitusTech Who exactly decides who linux is for? Isn't the whole point of having different distribution to offer different user experiences? All that keeps linux from the mainstream is the lack of a single example of a turn-key desktop environment that's reasonably polished and functional and doesn't try to commit seppuku when you have the gall to attempt to install a native application. I've seen such amazing examples of polished open source softwhere. I don't understand why it will take a google or valve to make linux user friendly. Why does even talking about it piss so many people off and why is there no push back aginst that shitty attitude in the community? A larger linux user base will just make it more worth it to companies to support linux, so that maybe you could actually use things like nvidia cards and goxlrs. So ultimately, a user friendly linux distro would be a good thing for you hardcores as well.

@@melty4204 Because the people who develop distros aren't trying to do the thing you are envisioning. One company actually did that. They did it really well. They're one of the top grossing tech companies in the world. You might have heard of them. They sink literally billions into user experience R&D. As a result they have one of the smoothest user experiences that money can buy, as long as you buy wholesale into their ecosystem. They're called Apple. I hate them as a company, for reasons that Louis Rossman sums up pretty well, but they do an amazing job at the user experience. They can do that because they get the billions to spend it on user experience. The developers of distros don't have the resources necessary to polish that experience the same way. Try developing anything for consumer applications. I'm working on designing a modular computer desk with 19" server racks on the ends, as well as conventional desk drawers that can be put in them. And making something consumer proof is hard. Like, really hard. Unless you hand it to them prebuilt, with everything installed, Murphy's Law is the only law of that land. And Linux is the ultimate in handing them the lumber in the form of the OS, giving them part numbers for the screws in the form of the various applications you need to use for basic functionality in any other OS, and then telling them to just use a saw when they get told to use a CLI. Making that a good experience for new users who have never held a square before is only going to end in pain and agony without a lot of development resources put into it. Resources that largely just don't exist in the open source world. I guess my point is that you need a company, or segment of a company, with the mission statement of "make a Linux distro that functions at a level equivalent to Windows XP out of the box with a focus on new user experience", and then have the management and development skills on your team to pull it off. And that won't be free, and it will need ongoing support, and initial capital to develop, and is not likely to happen. But if it was successful, they could probably sell licenses for 100-150$ a pop, as long as it actually met that goal. Would be interesting to see, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

@@bighairycomputers Go to any major distros website and they market themselves as a fully featured, user-friendly, stable OS that's ready to go out of the box, and is capable of running Windows software. Clearly, this kind of experience is something that many devs aim for, yet when you ask the community at large you get a completely different narrative. A narrative that seems to be based in the dogmatic defence of their chosen platform as it is today with no desire to see it reach its potential. And it's this complete refusal by the vocal Linux community to admit that things can and should be better. and the inability to recognize how it would benefit them as well in the form of greater industry support for Linux overall. I don't blame the devs, I understand that this isn't a monumental amount of work to do something like this. But I recognize that there is still a lot of work to be done in order for their distros to live up to their claims. Also, we shouldn't be equating basic useability with being "apple like". To their credit, Apples designers and developers do absolutely amazing work that's sullied by cult like marketing and tyrannical business decisions.

@@melty4204 "...the dogmatic defence of their chosen platform as it is today with no desire to see it reach its potential." well fucking said. The more attention Linux gets as an alternative to windows, and the more I get exposed to the Linux community and their stance, the more it seems like the existing Linux community is the reason that Linux isn't a viable, open alternative to Windows. It could be, it has the potential to be, but they're too stubborn to change. And that's incredibly frustrating to see. I'm pretty much a windows normie, who would love to switch from Windows. But all is see are issues and compromises, and a community that's uninterested in my problems and fixing them. That's incredibly alienating and discouraging, and the reason I haven't switched. There's almost a part of me that thinks if the Linux community can't change to their influx of new users who are fundamentally different from them now, then the dream of Linux as a windows alternative is truly dead. It will never happen. Or, the new userbase that switches to Linux ends up overpowering the existing Linux culture, superceding it. Then, we may be able to see the dream realised.

Hear, hear. We have buses in the city proudly proclaiming they run on methane. And I like "dude, idc, just take me from point A to point B". These days the only "customization" I do is unbinding global shortcuts because all modern DE it seems like to occupy functional key to the point they conflict with program that use lots of shortcuts (blender, IDEs)

The key to success with Linux: - Use supported hardware - Use supported software - Don't try to jam unsupported software in, switch to Linux first software. Everyone tends to just try to run Windows software on it, then complain. I basically never have issues with Linux if I'm not doing that. And no one reviewed windows or macOS based on the ability to run Linux stuff. It's not a fair comparison. The best beginner distros are likely Mint Cinnamon, Ubuntu, and Kubuntu. Manjaro Plasma has been extremely stable for me though of late, and has the best App Store experience out of all the distros I've tried, by far. Enable flatpaks and aur, and you'll never need to use a terminal.

People are sick of windows. They just want the xp/7 experience again. If it's customisable that's a bonus.

There will always be basic setup. Not unlike setting up Windows. If you don't care for customization, almost every desktop environment is fully functional after you've installed the OS. GNOME, KDE Plasma, Cinnamon, and Xfce are the most popular. For those wanting to go down the customization route, plain ol' window managers are the best. I use i3 tiling WM, and I have everything exactly like I want it; and it took a lot of time to fine tune everything. But once it's set up, you shouldn't ever have to touch it again unless you want to make changes. I rarely run into issues using Linux. The people who do are probably trying to use software/hardware which doesn't have support for Linux. They're also probably expecting it to behave like Windows. Do they expect a Mac to behave like Windows too? As much as I'd like to see everybody switch to Linux, if they are expecting Windows when they switch, just don't switch.

@@robkam643400 That goes back to what was just said "They just want it to work". Your average user WILL NOT. I REPEAT, WILL NOT buy new hardware just to get an OS to work. They. Don't. Care. *You* can care all you want. Its a fact the average user will not go out of their way to get it to work. If you care about linux becoming popular you have to drop that horrible opinion. Yes, it is a far comparison. Like it or not Windows and MacOS are the front runners. If linux wants to make a stand they have to meet it. There are no exceptions or negotiations.

Luke has mentioned on the WAN show that he has been having some serious lag issues. His experience isn't the best either.

@@sbstratos79 yeah i watched that WAN show, I think it was because the nautilus file manager

whoah! is that a thing!?

Well guess it's a problem they'd inevitably run into with their typical workflow. I'd rather have them a better idea about testing the system than trying to boot from the internal drive and poke around.

@@cocotug0 I actually can't confirm for all repair shops. It actually happened to me only once.

wait what? they do that?

Unless Linux gets at least to 20-30% market share, repair shops aren't going to bother learning to work with Linux and no one can blame them for it.

There's a new challenge that the likes of you face. Bad signal to noise ratio, including right here, in this video, and in this comment section. Even this guy gives contradictory advice at best. A lot of things you will google, the information will be outdated, dangerously incomplete and underexplained, or outright wrong. Back 20+ years ago information was a little more scarce, but it tended to be as close to authoritative as reasonably possible. I was especially lucky to first get Linux in a box with an actually super high quality printed manual.

Genuinely I started in high school. I think it's the best time to start because there's very few specialized programs being used so you can learn the basics and you will probably only ever need Libreoffice for high school assignments. Word Online _is_ there, but I really encourage people to learn how to use Libreoffice instead in case 1. you have no internet and want/need to write something out, and 2. in case Microsoft breaks something.

No Wifi-driver included?:D That is hilarious. And people wonder why Windows is still Winning.::D

Lack of ability to install my wifi drivers is what killed my previous linux attempt. It just never worked.

@@MmeHyraelle I've never truly had wi-fi issues in Linux using a variety of Thinkpads. The closest I've had is when I was running Trisquel on my X220, which had no proprietary drivers included. I bought a USB wireless dongle as a workaround and compiled the drivers for it myself. It works okay, but signal can be spotty. And when my kernel is updated, I always have to recompile the wireless drivers. But this is an extreme use case, as my installs of Debian, Artix, Mint, and Manjaro never had any issues.

@@comicsans1689 Wifi should work just fine in PopOS, it's just an oversight that you need a landline to download wifi drivers. In my case (I live semi off-grid in a forrest, no telco copper or glass for kilometres) I am stuck. I only have wifi using my phones' hotspot, which means I can't get the drivers I need to get wifi available in PopOs. In Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora these drivers are available. PopOs is based on Ubuntu, so the wifi drivers would have to have been removed from the release as a design choice. I find that a strange choice for a company that builds laptops. I switched back to Mint, the wifi connectivity is no problem there.

@@arthurswart4436 You have a point about PopOS. I've never used it before, so I've never experienced that issue. That's really amateurish that the maintainers have not fixed that, especially since the distro it's based off of, like you said, has it working.

Thanks Andres!

I allways install trought terminal

Literally why on earth would you want to click twenty buttons in the GUI when you could type a single command to do the same thing? Who in their right mind uses the GUI package manager?

@@tissuepaper9962 Hey yo whats the name of that application ? The one that does the stuff I want ? I don't remember , lemme use a web browser and search some apps, ah here it is, lets copy past the name in the CLI. So the GUI is the webrowser and the "Install button" is the copy paste command. CLI is only usefull if you 100% know the command before hand, its not good to search new comands or applications. Do this thought experiment, remove all the previous knowledge of preexisting CLI commands names/syntax (you still know how computers work) and the names of applications, remove web browsers since they are GUI (you can still browse the web through CLI) . Now try to do your usual tasks. Do the same experiment but with a GUI environment.

To add to this, new users barely know what folders and files are(not exaggeration, look it up). Terminal would be a black magic to them. "Lol, what terminal? Am I in airport?"

@@tissuepaper9962 I guess ppl who never even tried a tty in the first place. Like telling someone the meal doesn't taste well b/c it looks different but don't get bothered to even try ^^.

Tell this to this channel's owner who lives in a bubble and is expecting normal people to do things in terminal rather than GUI because he and other Linux users living in a bubble think "it's superior to remember and type commands on keyboard than to click and install in a GUI"

@@albatross7 if you refuse to learn how to drive a car, you shouldn't drive a car.

@@albatross7 If you don't want to use the terminal, don't use the terminal. If not using the terminal still makes Linux too difficult, don't use Linux. What else do you want me to say here? Effort in = reward out.

@@Doctom91 Absolutely. "Linux works with 100% of all new games" ... said nobody ever. "Linux works with 100% of all hardware out of the box" ... said nobody ever. "Someone will make a Linux distro that meets every single one of my computing requirements"... said nobody ever. People who aren't willing to put in time and effort to learn Linux and build it to their requirements should stay away from it.

This series will mark a turning point for linux, after this there will be massive improvements & greater adoption. Linus's criticizes the problems which have been ignored for years, but he is a force that will cause massive change & improvement. I know this as a near fact that his series will mark MASSIVE improvement in linux.

Tbh this joke isn't really applicable to Linux anymore.

I play KMahjongg almost daily... at least 2-4 games. (if you were joking, I am not)

I play gta V in my manjaro

The sad part is he could have gotten it back with basically one command. He just didn't know what that command was.

@@1pcfred thats the point. No one knows those command. He isnt god how should have he guessed that?

@@MmeHyraelle I know the command. I am a Linux God! It just takes some time to level up is all. You gamers should understand the mechanics. Linux is just like any other puzzle game. You start out weak and the more you play the better you get.

Thank you. I support that idea.

not hating here, but could you please name an example of something you use the terminal for, that you wish you could do with a gui?

So the Linux developer community is supposed to stop and listen to a kid on UKposts purely marketed for ad revenue?

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Only if their arrogance does not make them unable to listen.....

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Yes, the Linux developer community should listen to the biggest PC/tech youtuber, who is more tech savvy than about 95% of people on earth, and still is having some trouble due to bad UX and hardware compatibility. Not everyone loves the terminal. In fact, most people won't ever use a terminal in their whole life. If you want to reach more than developers, you have to aim your experience at people who aren't devs.

Yep, modded games are a headache if you really get into it. Occasionally you run into some mods that straight up don't work together with other mods forcing you to hunt the offending mod down and remove it which isn't ideal. However, gaming on Linux has become a much more seamless experience since 2018. For that I can only say kudos to valve.

I just gave up on Vortex on Linux and manually installed my mods for Cyberpunk 2077. Easy enough for the 50 mods I have for it. I'll never do it with Skyrim and my 200+ modlist.

You say every game worked. but is that because you used proton with steam? if so that's...still a problem. Gog much? those might 'just work' because not using DRM . But after that? yeeeeah..

@@gorkskoal9315 Yeah that's also very true. It's never been easier to game on Linux, but the switch is still a technical hurdle of significant magnitude. I have a dual boot set up, but I'm still mostly using Win10 just because of compatibility.

Well, it would have been great if PopOS only offered to install Steam as a flatpak. There's no way you can nuke your desktop by installing flatpak or snap :)

I did the same thing, but coming from MacOS. I figured that having a completely immersed experience with Arch Linux would force me to learn as well, which was true. It felt like I lived in the terminal, lmao.

@@BobDevV how do you like elementary? My wife is diehard Mac user and I don’t want to buy another Mac, I’d like to have our whole house on Linux in the future.

Hopefully the GoXLR guys will start supporting Linux then. It's entirely on them

Yea it's very alarming to recommend someone "oh just buy this hundreds dollar product" so that someone can play audio

So when Nvidia isn't helping the Linux-community to get things right; What is your solution? Wipe all of Linux from Earth since Nvidia doesn't work properly? I guess Linux could take a hard stance and rebuild Distros to flat out refuse to install if a Nvidia-card is detected.That is one way to go.

@@Vectrex-xd6qi your average people doesn't give a shit who supports who. At the end of the day they just want their things to work right away like it's supposed to. If it can't then the OS is pretty much useless for them. Your way is basically begging people to not use Linux

Bit of a tall order to expect a free OS to support any random hardware you throw at it. It's easy to complain that the GoXLR won't play nice on Linux, but no one wants to actually spend the effort to reverse engineer it.

It's been on my desktop as my main OS for 18 years now - I see no issue here. If you're not willing to learn how to use it then don't use it - again, I see no issue here.

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Ha, nice one. More like "learn how not to use it" since all of Linux's inherent shortcomings are always the user's fault, never the creator's.

@@MyNameIsBucket If that is what you choose to believe, so be it. Why does anything you've said there have any affect on my usage of Linux? It works fine for me.

There are a lot of instances in Windows where doing stuff requires incredibly verbose Powershell incantations.

@@katrinabryce Who cares? Windows is crap. I don't use it.

It isn't expected. That's why there are a thousand guis for every package manager. In fact if Linus stuck to the gui he wouldn't have caused the "uninstall my everything" issue that the steam package had. The gui literally told him that there is a problem with the package.

Ardour actually refused me to switch language within setting, instead the dev insist the user should just configure gtk with "simple command line", and that's why I jumped back to Reaper

exactly

I agree 150% and for the most part, I'm able to do everything I need without using a terminal at all. In fact, I needed to create a vector image and I installed Inkscape from the software store. All point and click. Inkscape installed and I was able to use it without any problems. I also understand that using the terminal can be more efficient for some, but using Linux daily, I rarely have to interact with the terminal at all. When I do it's usually to do some "one-off" thing there isn't a graphical application or front-end for me to use OR if I haven't taken the time to install it, if one exists. :)

i mean, even the terminal warned Linus with the 'You are about to do something potentially harmful' output. Maybe it wasn't that starry as showing a glowing red window saying alert, but yeah it's just way too different from doing it via a GUI in a user experience perspective.

Hmmm my experience is the complete opposite. I jump on one of my Linux machines and I feel comfortable, I know things will work. With Windows it feels clunky and slow, like walking through molasses.

@@awomandoesnothaveapenis Windows is certainly heavier, and I have my complaints with it but you can't deny that it's a plug n play w/ next to no hassles. I'm running 11 on my lap and that's even heavier than 10 but with what I need to do, and game, I couldn't run Linux as my only machine(s).

I'm currently running EndeavourOS as a daily driver and completely agree. The sheer amount of learning I have to do on a daily basis just for it to run stuff that runs out of the box on windows is overwhelming. The most recent example was copying movie from my Android device. Linux doesn't see any files after plugging android device and agreeing to share data.Tbh I still have no idea how to do it. In windows however this stuff just works. I know my issues are partly because I use os that is almost pure arch, but come on.. I wish there was a os thats basically Windows with Sweet theme(kde plasma) and linux terminal.

@@avendite7206 that's a strange one, I'm running Manjaro but whenever I plug in my phone and click mount it just works. I'd expect Endevour to be as simple

It requires a lot of resources to produce a desktop/workstation OS with no issue level slickness, especially for free. Red Hat is likely the best candidate if they could be bothered. I'm surprised they have not made the push into business to offer a stable secure workstation OS.

From a user experience standpoint, it would be helpful if developers united around one distro, one desktop, one repository. Something more like android. People are free to create a custom OS version, custom app store, third party launchers, etc. But there will be one default that all software is expected to be compatible with.

@@Pyrrolidine that's exactly what I was thinking. The closest thing to a Linux for the masses is Android. However, most of the Linux community will never use, promote or contribute to such thing.

And the worse thing about the user base is people thinking that Linux should be a replacement for Windows. After 3 years of using Manjaro I've come to realize that's something that won't and shouldn't happen.

@@TownspersonB 100% true

@@klittlet I've found that for 90%+ of my computer needs, Linux replaces Windows just fine. But yes, pretending that there are OSS alternatives of every piece of proprietary software that are every bit as good as the commercial ones is foolishness. And after I type this I'm going to spin my chair around, scoot over to my Mac and get some work done in Adobe InDesign to prove the point.

@@klittlet Well, Linux IS a replacement for Windows. They both are OSs, so you either use one or the other. Dualboxing is for pros, so it does not count.

@@klittlet Iagree with you. Replacement? No. But alternative? Yes. Because people will prioritize software they use for work first, then the platform. Especially engineers, if someone tell those people to use Linux, the first question will be “Will it run AutoCAD better? Will it run Solidworks better?”

Can you elaborate on one distro clobbering another? If multiboot, probably one uses a newer version of GRUB than the other. Find the one using the newer version of GRUB and install / use that version with sudo update-grub

Thanks for the tip. Ubuntu is running right now, but I have a lot of research in front of me. I tried to install Mint onto a 2nd drive, with its own ESP, and I directed the Mint installer to use the ESP on the 2nd drive. I figured the UEFI would see two drives, each w/ its own ESP, and would create a unique entry for each OS... and my two drives would be as separate as possible. I thought I could even remove either drive and boot another computer with it. Apparently Mint ignored my directive and modified the ESP on the 1st drive... and apparently Mint and Ubuntu have a naming conflict where they both use a sub directory "boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu". So despite my valiant effort to keep these separate and stand alone, Mint trashed the Ubuntu on the first drive... at least partially. At no point would UEFI give me two separate boot entries. Grub, on the 2nd drive, would let me boot into Mint and Ubuntu... though the names were screwy. But when I deleted all the partitions on the 2nd drive, I could no longer boot Ubuntu. I'm not exactly sure what I did, but I think I edited Grub, deleted all the firmware boot entries in UEFI, and was able to boot into Ubuntu again. During the process, I patiently did clean installations, deleting all partitions, creating new UUIDs, creating new partitions, and reinstalling. I did this several times. I chalked it up to a learning experience. But now my Boot Entry in the UEFI (as seen with efibootmgr) specifically refers to a UUID of a drive that no longer exists. I'm not sure how it's even booting at this point.

By "just use the terminal", people don't mean "study how the terminal works and learn the commands". They mean "find the error in google and copy-paste the command inside the terminal", which isn't harder than pressing a button. That's how I got things going when I needed to do something in the terminal. I just copy-pasted commands found on the Internet.

@@danielhalachev4714 My point was if linux wants to reach mass market appeal even having to interact with the terminal at all for the lay user is something they should never have to do. Also consider this the code that google says will fix your issue you're adding that souly based on trust that both google and the code do as intended, Because you like me have no idea what it actually does and how it fixes the issue for you right? Can't you see how unacceptable that is as it leaves you open to malicious code and actors. The more popular an OS is the more hackers will find ways to compromise your system and currently the easiest way to do so on a Linux machine owned by someone like me would be to manipulate google results for a common linux issue and have their malicious code executed by unsuspecting people like you and me.

CLEM GRAKATA!!!!!!!

@@SankoshSaha_01 Aw, I just uninstalled Warframe and now I'm sad.

GRAKATA!

@@rustybroomhandle good decision, stay out. it's just so tiresome to play now, just to erase that feeling of missing out on stuff

@@erdnussbier4260 I quit too cus I got bored of the grindfest. I'll play again when the new missions come out