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You are correct about the final twelve, but my three MIGHT be: If Syrio is anything like this guy, I'd go with Syrio, Gregar Clegane, and Barristan Selmy, Gregar is a TANK! Barristan does everything like a boss, quitting, fighting, understanding how his own life could be so causally lost defending the crown The saddest part of all three of these characters is how 'little' we see of them in action: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyamoto_Musashi

I hear ya. Just curiousx is that the three from your perspective or the three that you think Jaime would think?

He wasn’t cocky though and he did kill the Mountain and only reason he actually lost cause he let his emotions get to him

@@Justin-ug9wg ? unless youre referring to the literature, the reason oberyn died was because he played to the crowd- he literally died because he was cocky.

@@TheRealSamPreece At least on the show, he lost because he was too keen on getting a confession. He was cocky during the fight, but it wasn't the reason he died.

He lost because he was careless at the end and more focused trying to get a confession out of The Mountain to justify starting a war with the Lannisters/Tywin. That was his whole point of coming to King's Landing; he tells Tyrion about starting his plan for revenge in the scene where he offers to be Tyrion's champion.

To be fair, Oberyn was probably at Selmy's level in an open space. Closed quarters, I'd give it to Selmy

Funny but not true. He knows he is good but he also has immense respect for others of who he knows they are great fighters (like Brynden Tully and Barristan Selmy for example)

Don't forget the oath-breaker

Lol

Tyrion is also Queens brother

Or maybe just Nikolaj, Koster and Waldau?

I want to see him at the battle in the whispering wood, cutting down men left and right soooo badly :))

The show has a way of doing that to the characters lol. I wish we got more out of that ned and Jaimie fight tbh

If it weren't for that fucking guard, we'd get to at least see more of that fight.

Headles Norseman We need to save that screentime for the girl power moments. Watching briernne and pod the rod clumsily fight retarded bolton men is far more important than watching jaime lannister running at robb stark and bury his sword in karstark jr’s skull till it’s stuck and he can’t kill rob.

Even I thought the same

lol

Agree

I seen someone say that Arthur Dayne against Barriston both in their primes would be a draw unless Ser Arthur had dawn then he would win by a smidge

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@@awesomevideo1893 Was that english?

DeltaBlaZe77 Sorry I'm not good at english but isn't ser Barristan to old to be one of the three? He don't seemed to me that overpowered

See Barristan even his old age is an amazing fighter. The one time we actually see him fight is without armour, and outnumbered, he still reaped a bloody toll. Only fools discount because of his age

@@eao0004 did you see what he did before he died ?

Eao 183 Jamie idolized him as a child, and he’s still an incredible fighter even though he’s old. No way he’s left off

@@eao0004 I'n the show he was outnumbered, had no room to move and corned. And even than still had to protect greyworm. In 1v1 it's a different story. But in the books the dude slices through everything

Lol. Good point

Good point and honestly the reason I feel like the Mountain was way over rated in the series, most of the people he fought against weren't nearly on the same level as him to even really challenge him. And kinda why I question why he's on this list

To be fair tho, he was a total beast as t the the battle on the green fork, and he killed beric twice

Like 70% of actual fighting is all about the willingness to do grievous harm to another human being. That's why they train you with pugle sticks in the military (the US Marines, at least - I assume they do it elsewhere) - they don't expect you to be rushing into battle with a giant q-tip - it's all about aggression. To knock over the other person, you have to get right up into them and act tenaciously. Everything else - like technique or skill or experience - comes into play afterwards. Greg is a big bastard who could wield a claymore in one hand and had no mental block whatsoever regarding hurting people, that's literally all you need. Andre the Giant was not even close to as aggressive or sadistic (by all accounts, he was a good dude), but he was close to that size and just look up people telling stories of him getting into fights. It's no contest.

The show gives the aura that The Mountain intends to kill whoever he fights, even in training. They can't afford to throw the best at him for fear of losing them.

Absolutley. The red viper of dorne is legit :))

And the mountain would have died too if Cersei didn't have her own personal Gandalf.

@@Jack-kx5rf 😂😂😂personal gandaf

It's not clear if Oberyn was the better fighter, or he just had an advantage because he was using a different weapon and a fast-acting poison. IIRC IRL duels tended to require both participants to use the same weapons, because it was ultimately a test of skill, not strategies. Not to say that Oberyn wasn't the better fighter, but you can't necessarily use their duel as proof of Oberyn being more skilled than Gregor.

@@DenizenCain rewatch the fight. Oberyn was agile and led the fight perfectly. Even tearing into the Mountains leg and torso. Oberyn lost because he was too focused on a confession as opposed to finishing the fight. He could have won the fight then made the claim and started the war against the Lannisters. Job done.

He could of killed snow, but stopped by getting stabbed in the back.

He Was A Fookin Legend in Gin Alley

You forgot Karl "FOOKIN" Tanner.

He could have fookin killed the night king while in crasters place

JON was inexperienced at that time It was probably his first time in an ambush or a battle

Lol

LMFAO!!!

Never reached his full potential shame

Lol well played

Could you imagine, Stannis would of ripped him in 2 😂

But Jaime had armour on.

Nohe wasn't. I effed that up by deleting half the videos imagery (which I made prior to writing the script). But I had remembered the number and positioning. So I hastily while threw him in there when I had intended on someone else from his generation My apologies Frey was always a lame dude. Late to the game

Go on mock me boy

@@kb9849 You think I care??

Late lord frey

@@kb9849 lmfaow

Hot Pocket should have won the Iron Throne.

Would you care to spare a moment concerning kidney pie?

the trick is browning the butter before you mix it in. a lot of people don’t do that.

Lolol

The hound would disagree

Yh but Greatjon doesn’t match The Mountain in Height Of strength, The Mountain is a better fighter too most likely, Jaime definitely feared the mountain in some way, anyone would be a fool not to like Oberyn and I don’t see 2 power houses being in there just for being power houses

@@StaliasFable "Better fighter too" lmao.

@@StaliasFable Thing is, Gregor wasn't really that great of a fighter. He's massive, built and armored like a tank, and uses a sword most people would never even dream of wielding. Giving him superb reach in a fight. His brute strength, rage and brutality are what won him his fights. Gregor didn't really need much skill to compete, since the moment someone is close enough to him to hit him... Chances are his armor is too tough, he can ignore the pain and his enemy just made their mistake and got into his reach in the first place. Greatjon, while being in the same league as Sandor size-wise IIRC, has somewhat ideal proportions for both beastly strength and skill, which make them both dangerous in combat.

@@StaliasFable He really was by no means a better fighter

BoltMix actually he crossed swords with The Hound really well he didn’t abuse his size, and The Hound is definitely top 5 fighters

I can't imagine there are any fighters he knows well enough to say otherwise, those would be the 3 he knew best in terms of skill and strength. The longest serving Kingsguard and his sworn brother, and the 2 most infamous Lannister bannermen, the Clegane brothers.

@@MrGeorgeFlorcus The whole point of a statement like "MIGHT have a chance against me" is that he's not sure, which implies to me that Oberyn is on the list. He probably knows he can beat the Hound. The Mountain concerns him because it just takes 1 swing, and you have to get inside his reach to kill him, and well Barristan at least thinks he could cut down the entire King's Guard (including the Hound), even at his age.

@@garyco766 thats also my guess

​@@garyco766 but why do you think that he thinks that he has a chance against the Hound but not the Mountain?

@@Obi-Wan_Kenooobi I think he knows he's a better fighter than both. He beats the Hound, straight up. The Mountain he out fights, but is a wild card. What if he traps your sword when you run him through and cuts you in half, then just refuses to f**king die? And the Mountain makes up for the skill gap with sheer force, possibly blowing through parry and armor alike. I think that he thinks he beats the Mountain, but still puts him in the "might have a chance" category. The Hound he knows very well, and knows he will beat. Selmy is a legend, and Oberyn is an unknown, but also a renowned fighter.

I agree

In the show at least, the Mountain is simply big. In the short fight between the Mountain and the Hound in S1, it's clear that the Hound is a bit better swordsman.

@Paulo Costa That doesn't mean he would beat everyone, look at Oberyn who wasn't scared.

That's because the Hound IS a better fighter. The Mountain is incredibly strong but skill wise he is not in the same league as a lot of the great swordsmen in the show/books. The Hound is a mix of both physical strength and a great fighter. He might not be as strong as his brother but I think if it came down to it and they fought as adults in their prime, the Hound would outsmart and beat him .

He proved that in their first fight, when bed noticed the hound didn't aim a single blow at his brothers unprotected head So he was holding back and still broke even

Ser Badass the Bold

He's only dead on the show.

Alive in the books :)

They killed him off like a bitch

In the words of one pathetic Ser *AND* one badass old Lady, *"Too OLD."*

I mean Barriston beat the Titan's bastard with a stick in less time then it took for Dany to stand up. And he was the only man in the Kingsguard who could compete with Arthur Dayne. Shit in the books Jaime even says that Arthur could kill the entire Kingsguard that he takes command of while taking a piss.

the show adaption of Karl was pulled off so well. the whole change compared to books was gnarly. show Jon may be Hollywood jon, but not gonna lie, im a simple man. so I'm thankful to see jon running around, risking his life to help others and fighting

​​​@@bridge4 Well JON was unexperienced at that time it was probably his first ambush or a battle You can't compare a new Rockie fighter to an absolute legend same like you can't compare jaime to anyone after he lost his hand but if you would have compared karl to season 7 jon then i think you would have probably thought twice before speaking. He dueled with walkers that is no joke

Lmao this is probably true No fuck it, this is 100% true

that sums up everything about this dam show

I hear ya. Show stannis is legit. At the time jaime said this tho, all we knew was book stannis, who led from behind In hindsight, he may have been referring to stannis depending on what show stannis personally accomplished at events such as the greyjoy rebellion and what jaime may have heard about his fighting

@@bridge4 yes that could be true, because during the Graufreud Rebellion he destroyed the iron fleet, if I'm not mistaken now.

@@bridge4 Stannis spent almost the entirety of Roberto's Rebellion besieged in a castle, thinking of ways to get a prepoderance of onions pasted enemy lines. I'm almost certain that's show-canon (whatever the hell that means anymore) - as for the Bathroom Break Rebellion (whenever I see an Iron Islander, I know I can go take a leak without missing anything important), I forget if they mention that he mollywoped Victarion's fleet, but if it's show Stannis and they mention it then he probably did so swinging two big battle axes shirtless like a mix of Ramsay during Yara's rescue attempt and Euron when they decided to throw the fans a bone by killing the lion's share of the Sand Snakes in as gratuitous a way as possible. While shirtless. And pantsless.

@@fuzzydunlop7928 I hear ya. But battle of Blackwater, stannis waited on the opposite side of the river BHe ended up having to fight over on the other side since he was ambushed, but before that, he chose to lead from the far side of the river while his men sailed up and others sailed over to attack Kings LAnding

@@bridge4 I can see his logic there - he's trying to find a hole in the enemy's defense. He's going to need that initial mass of troops to get up in their stuff and fix the enemy in that location, he can rely on subordinates to get those guys motivated (at sword point if need be) to engage and advance - I wouldn't call it a distraction exactly, but it's something like that. I assume he did the job that was more intensive in terms of maneuvering and timing. If his column doesn't find (or create) that hole in the enemy's defense then the pressure can't get relieved off that initial point of engagement and going up against an entrenched enemy with the high-ground means it's a matter if when they break - not if. Dude, it feels good to be able to go back to those book and early show battles and actually see sound reasoning in the tactics and decisions being made. Feels wholesome af.

great line =))

To quote the words of one pathetic Ser *AND* one badass old Lady, *"Too OLD."* He could barely take down 13 hired rich men's fighters without armor. Talk of him in the show made him the stuff of legends, but by the time he fights the Sons, he's just

Yes, because Barristan is inarguably one of the best swordsman ever, and Jaime was his squire before he was knighted.

Gregor is probably one, he is so ridiculously strong it would seem foolish for Jaime to exclude him.

Gregor is one of his fathers bannerman, so he is well aware of his fighting ability and strength, the mountain is definitely on the list.

Well both the clegane bros were basically personal bodyguards to the Lannister’s so..

tier 1 fighters* for sure. imagine rolling up with you and them against 4 others... or 8 others lol

Definitely a good top 3 if they all werent dead already lol but overall yeah. Arthur Dayne himself would slaughter a lot. I think i’d rather take Jaime before he lost his hand, over Oberyn, but Oberyn has such a different fighting style that many wouldnt be used to fighting against which would give him a nice edge. Apparently the Martel’s guard was also a great known fighter in the books but they didnt do him any justice in the show.

Greatest warrior was howland reed. Dude killed Arthur Dwayne with one blow. Absolute monster!!!

I agree but Arthur Dayne is dead i would replace with Brienne

Where’s ma boi gimli lol

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When you think about it, that actually makes zero sense since he was leading from the front. So either he cut a swatch through likely HUNDREDS of men and a couple or more cavalry charges, or he was a coward who ran away the moment the battle turned - and we know he's not a coward so.... ...Yeah, the writers didn't think that one through I suppose.

You have a point. As they many times said Stannis is a proven commander and he fights at the head of his army so he must be talented.

I think Oberyn replaces the Hound. I think Jaime has seen the Hound fight enough that he knows he can beat him, whereas he's never seen Oberyn fight and knows he's legendarily good, so he'd put him in the "maybe" category.

Was Stannis anything special in terms of fighting? He is good commander that's certain.

I think the final 3 is solid. Selmy Barristan and the Mountain (for his size and strength). I do feel Jon Snow should make top 3. He killed a white walker, he defeated one of the Thenns in the siege of Castle Black. Jon Snow also led the Battle of the bastards and defeated Ramsay Snow.

Keep in mind Jaime said this to brienne before ever having seen Oberyn fight tho. Think he would have included Oberyn based on legend at that point?

I know... man I wish Oberyn hadn't have been killed off so early!

People disagreed with me, but I causally mentioned in a video recently that I think oberyns pre game of the thrones life would be a gnarly prequel show. The dude was awesome. Arguably the coolest character all around

id say Oberyn will play dirty, poison and such whicn is well known while Jaime rely mainly in his skill, proud and honorable in terms in fghting alone. Id agree with ur pick but for #3 its either Oberyn or Sandor

That's such a cool idea bridge4, an Oberyn spinoff would be sick!! He was one of my favorite fighters. The tension in the book is real when he's fighting the Mountain because you're not sure if he's got the skill. Then it turns out he does and it's so exciting. And then he gets cocky lol.

Plus all he had to do was injure you because he uses poison in his weapons.

Very hard to say considering that he fights with a spear. Jaime is much more faster and a much more skilled swordsman than the mountain. Who would win a fight between them? Personally i think Jaime just because if he gets he spear cut he loses. The fight either goes fast and Oberyn wins with a single strike or Jaime just outsmart and outmatch him. As i said very hard but i would go with the Kingslayer.

I'll probably only think Ser Arthur Dayne with his dual swords would disarm and kill him

100% agree. The problem comes down to timing and knowledge. Until the fight with the mountain, Jamie has no idea exactly how good Oberyn is/was. Given Jamie's arrogance and quite frankly, the true knowledge that he was top level means that until Jamie has seen proof, he believes he is the better fighter. In truth, I believe that after the fight with the Mountain, Jamie is happy he never had to fight Oberyn. The problem is that Jamie didn't have that knowledge when traveling with Brienne. Thus he would not have had Oberyn on his list.

The mountain was Taylor made for him

Mike H: but that logic works both ways. The mountain trains to fight regular sized opponents. he doesnt plan fighting someone his size

@ Yeah, but next to nobody is his size. You have the GreatJon, Hodor, and not counting literal giants, that's it. Greg could even throw Sandor around if he felt like it (he does, in fact). It's like tanks in WWII - yeah, a Sherman can't go head-to-head with a Tiger, but it rarely even had the chance to go up against one and while the yeah, Greg is a big-boi, there's only one of him and a shitload of noodle-armed Melvins to gang up on him - so why train to take on someone your own size when there's so many lil Shermans running around like Gremlins after midnight?

@@fuzzydunlop7928 well i mean gregor doesnt train to fight somebody his size, hence why i dont see it as oberynn having any advantage over by training against a giant, like The other dude said. The mountain trains against small dudes all the time, so neither had an unfair edge in that fight. He was implying the viper did but i disagree

Oberyn >>>>>>>>> everybody else. It's impressive to see a giant kill people, but more impressive is seeing a skinny little guy perform incredible skill and technique to defeat a giant.

@@elkevinski how do you think Oberyn would fair against two hand Jaime

Sick line

Hold my sword.

Jaime no lo había visto luchar antes, se lo dijo a Tyrion cuando esté le preguntó si podría Oberyn vencer a la montaña. Y cuando lo vio luchar se sorprendió bastante, obviamente no estaba en su primera lista de 3 capaz de vencerlo. Para mi hablaba de la montaña, Barristan Selmy y Arthur Dayne como alguien que pudo haberlo vencido

@@eson7zc866 Arthur Dayne was long gone, how can a dead men be on his list of men who can beat him? He was 100% referring to living people, not dead ones.

@@Calinn86 dije "como alguien que pudo haberlo vencido"

Jaime never saw how oberyn fights before THAT

I am not impressed by his performance.

substituting thoros is certainly reasonable. and like you, id swap him for gregor. although most people swap thoros with sandor i like your style =))

In season 4 jaime says he never seen oberyn fight, so not him

The hound is weaker then Brianna, so now way he is in the list.

The hound lost to brienne tho

aactually it's a tie i feel between Oberyn and the Mountain. Obviously Ser Bad ass Barr and the hound like you stated. I believe the hound will over power the Mountain leaving Sandor Clegane the last living great fighter next to Jamie with Bron as a worthy mention.

It's obviously not Oberyn. The reason is in this video. Jaime hasn't seen him fight and he was shitting his pants for his little brother because Oberyn was about to fight the Mountain. He was surprisingly relieved when he saw his brother has a chance to live during the fight. Also he was the only person who wasn't so cheerful when the Mountain was on the ground, because he knew how strong the guy is. So in his this scene of 3 men, Gregor is definitely way way way over Oberyn.

You're too kind, thanks! And I'm with you on those three being top tier. The best of the best for their respective generations

The mountain is just breakfast for jaime. Even tyrion is confident jaime will win

One of best scenes in the show is Barristan being let go from the King's Guard. As he removes his sword, everyone else takes a defensive pose and Barristan let's out, "Even now I could cut through the five of you like carving a cake." Barristan new it and so did the rest of them. That says it all. I think the show does a good job of putting Arthor Dayne as #1 and Barristan as #2. However, Dayne is dead when the statement was made, so he couldn't be on the list.

Interesting point. It holds merit.

Lol I concur

No joke though why wouldn't Karl Tanner stand a chance he destroyed jon Snow with daggers lol? I mean think about it.

@@bobharmon8834 IKR? He's a Fooking Legend

He's top tier skilled beat King Targaeryn Jon Snow into dust while completely inebriated. Pretty much anyway you look at it 1v1 no one could beat him he talked the talk and walked the walk. If he wasn't intoxicated we wouldn't even need discuss it he'd still be at crasters keep without a thing anyone could do to stop him.

Lol

Indeed lol.

Solid. First person to say qhorin or syrio so far. I'm real keen on qhorin. I mean syrio is cool too.but from Jaime prespective, I tend to think he'd put qhorin and thoros. Maybe even greatjon above syrio But that doesn't mean jaimes right :) or that I'm right about what Jaime think lol

+bridge4 dude that was a history lesson on great Jon, I had no idea he was as big as hodor lol but it makes sense, wish we could've had a cpl of scenes with him cutting done some lannisters :)

Qhorin Half-hand maybe could have taken Jaime in a fight, but Jaime wouldn't have known about him.

you could see syrio beat so many guys with only wooden sword while playing with them he could have easaly cut them all down with even meryn trant so we can see he has real skill and a very unique technique i believe he could defead jamie for sure

+bridge4 my argument for syrio would be that he would know him as one of the greatest dancers of braavos which is a pretty clout heavy title, not exactly bullshit and politics, if you were considered the best there then you could drop just about anyone in the city. Secondly, knowing that the guy would likely be very top tier of any fighters in the 7 kingdoms, he could also assume syrio may be able to take him based on his very different fighting style. Most of the knights in westeros used the templar style with wide sweeping movements and the occasional hilt attacks when locked in close, syrio, with his dancing style, was more of a fencer with agility. Think oberyn but not as showy, he'd do some flourish to bat away an attack and fancy spin his way in for an up close puncture through the gut and that would likely be a fighting style jamie had rarely encountered. Another person made a good point that based on wording it would also be reasonable to assume he wouldn't count anyone who he thought as flat out better. He put ser barristen in such high regard that it could be assumed he thought he was better than himself by far. So I'd go with syrio and th cleganes. The mountain is sloppy and bullish, but between his strength and jamie still being of the straightforward templar fighting style, it would be possible for the mountain to throw him off balance and land a hit. Given his strength, one hit is all it could take, hell one punch from flat on his back knocked half oberyns teeth out and he used his bare hands to burst his head like an overripe cantaloup. The hond on the other hand is probably 2/3 as strong as his brother, probably a good bit faster, and also fights plenty dirty ( the mountain really didnt because he believed his bullrushes were good enough to win, no dirty moves needed). That would mean he could potentially overpower jamie while possibly being fast enough to not get caught by some quick moves from him, and realistically, if he thought he was losing he'd just lock swords and kick jamies nuts out through his mouth and then take advantage of jamie being off balance.

Those Queensguard looked to be a bunch of nobodies though. A far cry from the days of Arthur Dayne, Gerald Hightower. Barristan Selmy etc. I agree though that The Hound is still a beast and one of the elite in Westeros.

This whole scene takes place before sandor even did any of that. Not even Jaime would consider Sandor a threat in the early seasons. A bit of a threat but not that big. Even sandor was scared af when barristan drew his sword

@@TheMoistDonuts it did happen after Sandor easily held the Mountain at bay during the Hand's tourney though. From what we hear, the "Hound" already had quite the fearsome reputation by that point. I think Barristan and the Hound are two guaranteed entries. Third is a toss up between Mountain for size, Oberyn for reputation(he says might) and Brynden out of respect

@@x4bluntz2urd0me2 In the books I'm pretty sure The Mountain is seen as some unstoppable juggernaut, but he's also absolutely fucking nuts. You wouldn't want him protecting you.

It’s also described how, in the show at least, that The Hound looked a little nervous when Selmy said that he could cut through the 5 other Kingsguards “like cutting through a cake”, implying that he knows and maybe fears Barristans skills with a sword.

That's pretty much what he says in the book. Jamie is a better swordsman than the hound, even though the hound is really good. But the hound would still probably beat him just due to size and brute strength. Also little known fact is Theon Greyjoy is one of the best fighters, better than John Snow, but he's good with the bow and arrow. Since we are only talking about a one on one sword fight it leaves Theon out, but if we are talking about overall combat ability Theon would be in the top three, at least before he was castrated.

Barriston selmy and arthur dayne would honestly destroy the clegane brothers even with their strength, the pure skill with their swords would overwhelm the clegane brothers

@@raymondkidwell7135...John Wayne as John Books " Sometimes it isn’t being fast that counts, or even accurate; but willing." That's where both Cleganes excel.

i dont think so wun wun can be defeated unless a coward like ramsay shot in its vulnerable condition

I dig it!! Areo and which other two?

The Blackfish and Barristan Selmy. Two grizzled veterans who had major chops and Jamie’s respect. Hard to imagine Jamie squaring off with someone he didn’t hold in high moral standing.

If we lean towards jaimes appreciation of knighthood, I think u might be right!

He does have a minor obsession with honor. It would make sense to idolize people who were honorable or remained in good standing with the common folk, like the Blackfish.

LOL wait. pouring one for smalljon. our boy did the starks wrong! i wont bore you with details. bugt i had a big snafoo when making this. lost liek 6 hours of work. i shouldve spent more time choosing better timing for the smalljon blip. bc casuals are going to think i was calling ramsey "smalljon" lol

bridge4 Sorry that contained a spoiler for the books. I was referencing his book version. Smalljon was a good guy in the books. Show Smalljon is a traitor.

book "spoilers" aren't spoilers. i thought i fixed my PINNED message today. i reakized i needed to addiong "season 8: because people are calling me out for spoilers when im mnaking videos with crazy predictions based off 7 season + text that is olllldd anything published or printed is gair game imo. including "pre-leased" WoW chapters =)

oh ok. yeah. im not as well versed as id like to be on final jon and davos chapters. ive read the mel chapter plwenty of times tho lol. and i guesss jons too. actually just looked. smalljon just doesnt leave as big an impact in the books as i thought but yeah im missing the point. they created a show-specific role for him in the books so that rickon could run a serpent. and ramsey could take his army OUTSIDe the walls for the second time. as if a defense would ever do that at a double walled fort like winterfell lol

bridge4 Yeah he had a minor role in the books, he's a member of Robb's personal guard. They used him pretty well in the show. I'm pretty excited for the final season and WoW to be released. I'm pretty sure George has it finished. I think he's just waiting for the show to be done. I believe the books will end a lot differently.

i hear ya. i cant argue that. but here's some food for thought. he doenst know if oberyn could beat the mountain. so in theory, if you've got oberyn, you need the mountain (but i was actually wrong when i thought that earlier - offline - because he might still favor oberyn over the mountain in his head. all jaime's statmeent tells us for sure is that he's not confident in oberyn > mountain) words are soooo tricky and easily to misinterpret (for dum dums like myself)

My thinking exactly. If he’s giving Obereen a chance against Gregor, we pretty much know what Jamie must think of him.

I’d say Gregor gets the boot because he was known for using his size where as Sandor was more skillful aswell as powerful, someone as skilled as Jamie would make quick work of The Mountain that rides.

Krstan Lukic I don't think you can give Gregor the boot. We don't get many interactions between Jaime and Gregor prior to Gregor being turned into a zombie (or whatever he is) and Jaime losing his hand. However, what we do see is Jaime essentially walking on egg shells nervously around the man. Gregor Clegane is the only person who is shown to legitimately intimidate Jaime Lannister. Even Selmy doesn't do that, and it's pretty obvious what Jaime thinks of Selmy's prowess. Also, when Jaime and Tyrion are speaking of Oberyn prior to the fight with Gregor, he says that Oberyn is going to die. So.... if Oberyn is in the top 3... Gregor is in the top 2. Finally on Gregor, you can't really judge his skill (or lackthereof) on that fight with Oberyn. Oberyn was fighting in a style that few in Westeros would be familiar with. As such, they wouldn't be ready to defend against it. They would all be hacking and slashing wildly whenever Oberyn came into range, just as Gregor did. However, Jaime's skill is with the sword... which is the same skill Gregor has. Gregor cut down a few of the men stated in this video, and chased a couple of the top contenders away (including Thoros and Loras). If Jaime had to fight the Mountain one-on-one with swords... the Mountain has a real chance. In fact, I'd actually give him the edge in that fight. He's a greatly skilled swordsman who has major advantages of strength and reach, whereas Jaime would have the advantage of speed and maybe stamina. Meanwhile, Jaime knows of Sandor's fear of fire, and can/would use that against him. So it's possible that Sandor isn't in the top 3... though I personally believe he is.

You make a damned good point. The only counter I could possibly make to that is the same point bridge made in the video. He's never seen Oberyn fight. He's also said several times before that he never judges a fighter's ability until he sees them fight. Jaime has also made the point that any man can obtain a reputation as a great fighter without really earing it, so he doesn't include reputation into his judgements. He made this point about Ned directly, as Jaime always questioned whether Ned could have truly beaten Dayne. That said, Jaime also makes the statement that Oberyn is going to die against Gregor. So, he obviously ranks Oberyn below Gregor going into that fight. Which turned out to be the case, as Gregor actually won that fight due to Oberyn's cockiness and showmanship that often comes with learning one's skills in the fighting pits like a gladiator. That said... you could be right. He just might mean Oberyn. I personally think it's Selmy and the Clegane boys... but Sandor may not be the third due to his fear of fire, and that's a weakness Jaime could easily manipulate. My thoughts are also that Loras Tyrell could be the third, despite how Jaime mocks him. That mockery often reminded me of a way to downplay one's own worries of a possible threat.

You don't live that long and by the sword and not be a bad ass...

Pretty much

Still makes me sad to this day :-(

The series was about schemes, fighters are there to die while the shcemers play them like chess pieces.

@@elongatedmuskrat7675 agreed.

Oberyn defeated himself in the end. A person can do that to himself sometimes. The fight was already won.

Careful what you wish for. We'll get black bisexual Jaime who was around "stable boys" and later on "honed" by Gay Asian Arthur Dayne.

how do they overastimate him? Its written on black and white how powerful he really is..just read the book and you know what he can do. Its not overrastimating its just reading whats stated by the writer himself. He has a big advantage and that would be his size and strength. Well maybe Oberyn is better afterall he took down The Mountain.

In the book it is stated that Jaime thinks he could beat both the Mountain and the Hound. So those two are out. Selmy is there for sure tho.

Yes Jamie thinks he can beat them. Jamie "Thinks" but in the story of a song and ice and fire no god cares what Jamie think. Al The mountain would need is a lucky hit "one" lucky hit and Jamie sadly would be split in half. Jamie is easily up there with the best tho!

The Mountain fought in the sack of kings landing and The war of the five kings proving he can take on multiple soldiers, he is even remarked for being a fast man for his size. And for his size alone he is realistically in another class than jamie its just to much of an advantage. Gregor isnt the kind of guy waiting for a lucky hit, he charges head on with his double-handed sword . Oberyn got the better of him cuz his way of fighting is diffrent and unkowned to the mountain. Jamie is a westerosi hack and slash knight and could be one of many the mountain have split in half. Maybe and probably Jamie has a better sword technique but in real life some people just have those Uber-powerman genetics and that alone gives the mountain such an unfair advantage that he wins atleast 60% of the time due to advantage of pure size. I mean the man is as big as two of Jamie, its unfair that he should win given Jamie probably have superior skills but that just reflects real life, Jamie could work his sword skills until the day he dies but against the mountain he will always have an unfair disadvantage.

He smashed thru a shield wall and took out a ton of people at the battle on the green fork iirc

someone else mentioned Ser Ilyn earlier today. that's a cool addition that I hadn't really considered. but from a book perspective, i hear ya. cool stuff!

Jaime doesn’t even get back to King’s Landing in the book until after the fight

Lol. He is speaking to brienne about three people. And he says "you're not one of them: :-P But I know what your saying :)

He doesn't know it.... but she's right in front of him! And yes, she's not a man, but I think he's saying it in general.

Third is stannis for sure

Saber0003 the hound is a better duelist than the mountain

You are def right. Selmy, Blackfish and Sandor.

Why is there Doran Martell? This guy cant even walk!

And dontos hollard

Nobody's checked the contents of Yara's pants since lil Theon returned to the Iron Isles, and he never said what he found down there.

@@fuzzydunlop7928 He found captain winky!! - Ace Ventura, Pet Detective

I dig it

Mountain killed Thoros. you are wrong.

@@fgcpeak9591 in the show mountain didn't kill him

Ser Arthur Dayne died long before that.

Hell yea. Mark one for team thoros!! (Why Gregor over sandor tho?)

bridge4 Gregor's more dangerous, even at that time. Sandor has a pretty glaring weakness that can be used against him in his fear of fire. He's almost more humanistic than Gregor. Sure, Sandor has shown an ability to possibly beat Gregor, but there's a special level of animosity fueling Sandor in that regard. Also, Gregor is highly skilled as a mounted fighter if the fight were to take that form. Sandor is not. All that said. it's pretty close between them. I'd not rank Thoros up there. Yes, he's a badass... but also keep in mind what Jaime knew of Thoros at the time. He was an extreme, out of shape drunkard who had to take what were essentially drugs to get the job done during those two particular tournies. He changed a lot after Ned sent him off with Beric Dondarrion and the Brotherhood. With a reputation like that, Jaime probably did not think all that highly of his prowess under normal conditions. Not to mention the fact that Gregor alone cut down half of that group, Dondarrion included, and chased Thoros off into the woods. Thoros changed dramatically after that, but up to that point, I'd not think that Jaime considered him much of a threat.

Thoros is up here because in season 2, Jaime admits that Thoros was unstoppable. Go look it up. So, probably Jaime has him in top 3 at the time.

Syck Vids: "Go look it up." OK, I did. The only quote I find is his brief reminiscing with Jorel Cassel in season 1.4 Cripples, Bastards, and Broken Things. Jaime: "Remember Thoros of Myr charging through the breach?" Jorel: "With his burning sword? I'll remember that to the day I die." No mention of Thoros being unstoppable. In fact, the only reason this comes up is to confirm Cassel's statement that he'd fought beside Jaime at the Siege of Pyke. It's not done to compliment Thoros's prowess or abilities. If anything, it seems more like an amusing thing between them. If Thoros was a joke to them 9 years prior, and before he became an excessive, out of shape drunkard that most of the nobility laughed at up to that point. Jaime is featured in just 4 episodes of season 2. 2.1 The North Remembers - Jaime's lone scene is in the cage with Robb Stark, the entire exchange is Jaime basically belittling Robb and showing the intimidation factor of Grey Wind. No mention of Thoros. 2.7 A Man Without Honor - He is briefly caged with his young cousin Alton Lannister. We get him speaking to Alton about being Selmy's squire, as well as the "A painter who only used red" quote. He also speaks of being a poor prisoner, while insulting Ned Stark's imprisonment. He then murders Alton in an attempt to lure the guards in so he can escape. Later, he is recaptured and Catelyn Stark has to step in to keep Richard Karstark from killing him. Even later, Catelyn visits Jaime in the cage. Here he mocks the vows of a knight, speaks of killing Aerys Targaryen, asks about Brienne, admits to "only being with Cersei", and uses the to insult Ned's honor. He also brings up Catelyn's hatred of Jon Snow due to Ned's presumed infidelity. No mention of Thoros. 2.8 Prince of Winterfell - Jaime has been set free by Catelyn in order to make a truce with the Lannisters, sending Brienne as his guard. We get their first conversation while on the road. We get the "Three men in the kingdoms who might have a chance against me" quote. No mention of Thoros. 2.10 Valor Morghulis - Jaime and Brienne get off the boat, and he taunts her about not being feminine enough for the boys to be interested in her, while also guessing her identity. They come across three hanged women with a sign stating "They laid with lions." Brienne ties Jaime to a tree so she can bury them. During this, she is approached by three soldiers who mock her, then recognize Jaime. Brienne cuts them all down easily, and Jaime appears very impressed. She then reconfirms that she doesn't serve the Starks, but only Catelyn. She then continues on the task of burying the women. No mention of Thoros. Not once does Jaime speak of Thoros of Myr in season 2. Maybe this admission of Thoros being unstoppable happened in season 3, and you were merely mistaken? Well, no, Jaime doesn't mention the man a single time. Sorry, but Thoros of Myr is not one of the three Jaime speaks of.

oh that was just a guess :p hehe