Absolutely.

Yea That was very telling and compelling

Um he was great

​@@olilumgbalu5653what makes you say he wasn't so great? His stepdaughters' words during interviews prove otherwise. Seems like he was a very decent guy! Sounds like you weren't listening.

I've noticed in a lot of these videos, that if a parent is a murderer or evil person, the kids refer to them by their name and not mother or father.

Unless you have an evil twin 👍

You ever notice is the college educated that make this the worst f****** decisions there's people I die to heaven's gate and once it all committed suicidal or Haley's comment very well educated I don't think they get the life lessons that they should have got cuz they're too protected I don't know I don't know what the deal is

Family court is terribly cruel and the children suffer most especially when there is a toxic, dangerous parent involved

Some sicko who watched The Parent Trap too much

💯

Im so so so sorry for you’re loss 🕊❤️

Oh wow I’m so sorry for your loss I couldn’t imagine your a strong woman keep your head up I don’t know what I would do I have two a girl and boy but again I’m sorry may she fly high

God bless you , your precious daughter is now with the Lord. Trust in Jesus, you will see her again. God bless😊

@user-pb7mt5te9l I’m so sorry for your loss 🕊🥺❤️

I’m so sorry for your loss I can’t even imagine what you and your family went though

Wtf u apologising for u aint do nuen

Exactly Steven sounded like the most amazing and sweetest dad

How can you apologize when you bear no responsibility?

Steve was a millionaire so presumably they inherited his fortune. I hope so. No mention was made of that.

@@Anon.5216 Still their dad died when they were kids. And that do he killed himself which is just horrible to think about. You didn't even realise that your dad you love so much was going to give up on his own life.

It affected one of them so much psychologically that she even turned butch to try and look like her missing father figure

@@thegame2079idk what you’re saying but I’m pretty sure she’s just a very masculine person

@@rixx3575 his comment was saying that she was so affected by everything that she turned masculine. i’m saying that she was just always a masculine person. what i don’t understand is whether the commenter i replied to is being negative towards her being masculine.

My thought, too

I thought the same thing.

I also wondered about this.

Thinking the same thing

Makes u wish they looked at every killers family members who had a suspicious death and investigate them closer.

That must have been tough dealing with a woman like that, hope you, ur sister and father are ok!

@@No-ux5nx we are MUCH better :) my sister got married, had two sons, and my dad adopted a kitten! Thank u for caring :)

:) amazing, alhamdulillah@@joezelljr

@@joezelljrcongratulations! I hope you like a nice long live and have a nice day/night!

@@edvazquez8236 thank u very much :) I hope ur doing well and having a great day too! And remember, u are loved :)

The facts that make the mother the obvious suspect are presented so clearly in hindsight. That being said, everyone is a suspect until ruled out. Celeste was on the table from the beginning. Tracy owning the gun that killed Steve makes a pretty good red herring. The cops quite reasonably arrested the person who shot Steve. They couldn't have known that in doing so, they missed the person that killed Steve.

The spouse of a murdered person is ALWAYS the first suspect. ALWAYS.

I think she was probably a suspect but they didnt have enough to go on to actually arrest her

I was thinking the same thing! I kept waiting for the story to "go there"!!!🤔

@@MayBeMe... Yes! I was waiting too.

I think it was implied a suicide

breaks my heart that they dismiss their biological father so simply as "unstable" without acknowledging that man had twins with a psychopath, can only imagine what he dealt with.

@@kgun30 I agree 💯

and their mom as Celeste. you can tell who the real parent was in this family. such a shame.

Oh sure, take their word for it.

​@@chickenlover657you're joking right? Buying them their casket's? Telling them to kill themselves? The evil ranting & screaming that was recorded? Plotting the murder of their father? You're delusional.

​@@chickenlover657😂

​@@76metichewas just going to comment about them calling her by her name! Your right, such a shame. He made them feel safe and loved 😢

imagining/guessing where anyone goes after death is a sin, only God chooses!!! follow GOD everyone!!! ❤️✝️🙏🏻

Well, god must have looked away for a moment on Halloween 2017 when Jennifer Beard was shot twice by a drunk and left permanently disabled.

@@mariami12326their wishing Steven well, why is that evil?

@@Angel.-dust3620 honestly who knows, all I know is that they give Christians a bad name and I hope that Steve is happy to know that the girls are okay and that he's no longer in pain

@@kitieriwhite7758 agreed, he did not deserve that, no one does.

My thoughts exactly!

It's sick.

13yrs, in most states, you can choose what Parent you want to be with. It was, in the early 90's for me, in PA. I waited for years for that Birthday.

Possibly the dad knew the mum was dangerous and tried to get both kids but Celeste manipulated her daughter stay with her?

We can't know what happened here, but unfortunately sometimes children in a divorce can be treated as part of the property to be divided, and not as human beings. In high school I had a friend whose parents divorced, and neither wanted him. He was taken in by his best friend's family.

😡 Satan, the father of liars, was definitely the father of the twins’ mother ! 😱😤🤬 ( John8:44 )

But in the end,they finally took revenge against the Devil herself.

Actually, I think they're just stupid.

​@@cotus2408no such thing. Grow up.

​@@cotus2408no such thing. Grow up.

I'm so sorry, I hope it got better. Did you call 911 or did you just live there?

Bless you

I’m happy you’ve found healing. I come from an abusive family as well. None of my mother’s 4 daughters have children. Among the myriad of reasons, we are all too afraid of passing on that trauma. She’s also never met any of her son’s kids. One person destroyed 8. I’m still searching for healing.

@@atduhe i also nv hv kids, after years of searching for answer, i think is my childhood trauma. I m also abusive to my ex husband, we end up divorce because he had an affair. After 20 years i remarried and i see all the fault i had in the past. I can't forgive myself. I prayed for him almost everyday. My ex and i just met recently after 10 years, i m happy that i left the house for him else i don't think he can afford one now. I think forgiveness is the first process to healing. God has guided me all along during my struggle to forgive him, later to forgive myself.

But she was literally mentally ill. “Let’s all kill ourselves” then stabs herself in the leg! why wasn’t she on meds!

Exactly!

What most likely happened is that the court partially sided with the mother like it or not US family court is very biased towards women. It seems like their biological dad knew something was wrong with her and that she could get violent and tried to get custody and this probably explains why he killed himself too. He was most likely afraid he would lose them both to their mother who is manipulative and violent.

What kind of court and what kind of parents would let that happen? I can see why the dad did, knowing who the mom was.. he was trying to save at least one of them. The mom only did it out of spite.. and the judge did it out of "fairness" to the parents, but unfairness and an injustice to the twins.

​@@jonslg240Someone just mentioned there's another documentary about this where the twins themselves wanted to be with the different parents

​@@VMM34hahaha love your name!! Arabella was a name I had chosen for one of my twin daughters, however Ella seemed to fit her more at birth. Now your handle is all I hear from her lovely 17 year old mouth! ( I kinda wish I had named her that too ) but yes, splitting twins up isn't cruel or harder than normal siblings being split up. Family breakdowns are painful all around, for any child or sibling, and I wouldn't want my twins to be split up from their other siblings that aren't their twin either.

Right! She was beyond brazen with her antics. But the reality of her brazeness caught up to her. As spiraling out of control was just the beginning of the end. She had no idea what was lying in wait, after her setup plan went into affect.

good point. ✌️ this is the craziest one i have ever seen. they should make a movie! those girls are tough as f**! . as a team, they knew they would have a chance. they had each other! that is what saved them. 🙏🏻 after all what they have gone through, losing their biological father, then the stepdad, (they never had their mother thus, can't lose her), then she stabbed herself in a leg in front of the girls, caused them traumas, have tried to hurt them... their own mother! how did they stay so sane and so...alive? 🙏🏻❤ i would give up the moment they would separate me from my twin. which judge brings a decision to SEPARATE twins (especially in that age)? sick world. utterly sick and evil world.

Yep, that was definitely strange ..

yeah buying the two caskets to me implies guilty or pre planning of murder them. which is why she stabbed herself because she was trying to scare or manipulate them because she was going after them next.

It implied that she was going to kill them!

i was wondering the same thing

Me too

Even if it was _self deletion,_ this makes me suspicious and wonder if the mother preyed upon his emotions to get custody of the other daughter and that was a contributing factor to his demise.

She did

My dad had a good childhood but he didn’t get a long with his stepdad who was a father figure to my uncle my dads brother this was because my grandfather passed away when my dad was 8 and my uncle was just a baby in 1978 my dad was born in 1970 the 80s for my dad was ok but every time the New York islanders won the Stanley cup he forced my dad to go to the parade in 1986 my grandma left my dads step father because he cheated on her: my dad didn’t get along with his stepdad but was very close to his stepsister but she didn’t get along with my dad’s sister my uncle barely talked to my dad because my dad was in high school ones my dad grew up my uncle and my dad talked more my grandma was growing old remember joe Biden is old as fu* anyway they become firefighters after my uncle left the fire department for the Air Force my dad moved to Florida years later in 2006 my dad and my mom were in the hospital because my dad had a appointment he had a broken leg and my mom was the nurse in the front counter she made a joke saying she had no choice but to cut his leg off and I still can’t stop laughing 😂 😆🤣 weeks later they were dating in 2007 my dad proposed to my mom but it was dark and to they were at the beach someone flashes the flashlight and my dad looked at my mom’s stomach and realized she was pregnant after i was born my parents got married and then 2 years later she had my brother in 2014 my grandmother passed away years earlier my other grandmother passed away fast forward to present day I’m a teenager I’m not going to revive my age but I’m in high school and have a girlfriend the end my name is human name

It is amazing. I cannot imagine the trauma neither do I want to. I wouldn't wish this to even my worst enemy: finding out that their mother is a serial killer and that she also plans to kill them in time. It's just pure evil.

It didn't go so well later in life. She was shot by a drunk on Halloween 2017, and left disabled.

@@degatagauwatie4073 😢

I see all you do is blame men.

All facts. It always seems to be the best people that gets fucked over the most. Sadly. Rest in peace Steve

@@DaisyChain3339.shut up incel

she def wasn’t doing that ☠️

It's hard to find a lady!!! Not many

@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?

It's so weird in there. They let people out who are still in crisis and keep people in who are doing better.

Might be an insurance issue. Lots of those places are all about the money and less so care and rehabilitation. So they’ll purposefully keep people for as long as insurers will pay and drop them with no support when money dries out

No, it’s because there are limits to how long a patient can be kept if they have not committed any crime. This prevents involuntary indefinite hold of a person (which violates civil and constitutional rights). I think there is a 72 hr limit before a court appearance which is where it gets decided if they need to be held longer. After the 72hrs you are usually free to decline any further help and leave unless forced by the court. Many states allow for longer times under specific circumstances. To force someone to remain in the mental facility, 2 court appointed psychiatrists must agree on it and determine length of time. It’s a flawed system because of stories like this. Most psychiatric hospitals were forced to close because of the belief driven by the left in our country (this was during the civil rights movement) that the hospitals were inhumane, the misguided belief that hospitals could be replaced by medicines, and to save money because they were a money pit(imagine prison like system but with having to pay expensive doctors instead of corrections officers). They weren’t wrong per say, but their solution was no better. Now defund it, and force most to close and now you have capacity, funding and resource issues. The reality is the system was broken before, but then there was a huge pendulum swing in the other direction and now you get more stories like this all the time, as well as things like rampant homelessness in our cities and people with mental issues filling prisons. The current system is woefully inadequate while the previous system violated people’s liberties….basically the way we handle mental health needs to be addressed but the big whigs in charge don’t care. There is also the issue of Medicaid, example see ‘Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1981’ and how it has negatively impacted funding for SMI (severe mental illness). Court decisions also play a major part, example see ‘1999 Olmstead v. L.C.’

'Murica.

@@mitten97well I was imprisoned in a mental institution for a month and I wasn’t court ordered to be there. I was only supposed to be there for a week. But the hospital kept like making up excuses and during hearings the “judge” or whatever was convinced that I wasn’t fit to leave.

Siblings shouldn't be separated, identical or not. It's absolutely appalling!

Yes, I’ve got identical girls myself, 20 now , a twin bond is a truly unique thing, there’s a closeness that is more intense than any other relationship, to separate them as children is beyond cruel.

Family courts don't care about children. Happy families don't make them any money

I love my little sister to death, even though I am 6 years older, That shouldn't matter at all, still siblings. And even though she does have learning difficulties and I have sensory issues and cannot always handle her constant energy, I can AND WILL (Metaphorically cause I love her and would never do it in my life [My mothers an ex-cop I'm not taking that chance nor will I ever]) kill for her. And my mother has actually said that even if she and my dad divorce (She has threatened before due to arguments) then she's taking us both, with no exceptions so uh... And, back on the subject of siblings, I don't think that I would be able to handle not being around her. As I've said, love her to death and can't handle her sometimes but I am not getting separated from her at all... No thanks, I'd choose to stay with her than not hear her come through the door after school (I'm housebound due to medical issues so I'm always there when she does) so not hearing her when she comes through would just be unnatural for me

not just twins, but siblings in general. I fully understand now why my older brother was separated from me and my younger brother when our parents got divorced, he's a half-brother and has no relation to my mother. He wasn't even technically adopted, my mother was his stepmother. but at 6? you don't understand that. all I understood was that dad was leaving, and he was taking my older brother with him. I or my little brother weren't "good enough" to go with dad. It lead to a lot of anxieties, self-esteem issues, and frankly resentment

I feel you hopefully you have healed 💜

@@TrueCriminsomniaZzzz I think so, still a work in progress! My mom and I have a relationship, and im very grateful for that.

So sorry that you just by some steak of unluck had the misfortune to have such a terrible mother. Hopefully you are okay now. Your mom may have had the same thing happen to her as a child, which is where she learned this possibly.

Just because you are a mother doesn't mean you're a saint.there are plenty of evil moms,same as dads.

@shannoninalaska I'm so against the abused become abusers scenario A survivor wants the complete opposite for their children 🤚

I never even thought about that. Wow.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but they call him Steve many times in the interviews

was thinking the same thing

@@satinkaschilling5221yes but also “my dad”. They might’ve been asked for clarity since they had two dads and there are just snippets. My niece, whose mother was about as much of a piece of work as Celeste, only calls her mother by her first name. It’s too disjointing to call someone by a title that means unconditional love when they are anything but.

Yeah... if she allegedly hired a hitman for tracey she probaly did so for the biological father too... I wonder if she didnt make the mistake of telling the girls not to mention tracey to the cops, and therefore tipping them off about her, Tracey wouldve been murdered. Custody may have saved her.

?? Stop with this fanfiction, are you aware how rude that is to the victims?

@@schlankeschlangemitlanze2467 sorry? rude? because? Is it because I shared my opinion and theorized the possibility that the mother of these girls had committed other crimes apart from the death of the girls' adoptive father? If it were a man who had conspired to kill his second wife after his first wife died under unclear circumstances, would you be saying the same thing? Would you say I'm being rude? because I don't believe it. There is a reasonable suspicion and you can be sure that his daughters have thought the same, so stop giving egocentric moralistic sermons, I am not impressed and I do not need a hypocrite trying to portray me as heartless and all to feel better than others or worse. ..for a few "likes" to inflate his ego.

the word "typical" says more about how you "think" than it says about what anyone else IS or DOES

@@oughtssought1198 I don't know who you're addressing that comment to.

The Fact that when he was in great pain with a shotgun shot wound and when called the police worried for his wife on the phone without knowing she set it up breaks my heart. He did not deserve that fate just cruel

It’s heart breaking how she took his life from him when all he wanted was to give her and the girls a good one! 😭

Very cool man, a real sympatetic Dad that I imagine in my head, a real Dad, really sad to hear this tragedy. My deepest condolences

He was a very rich man. Was he married before. Did his wife leave him. Was he lonely and looking for a companion. Did he have a temper problem behind close doors. Why would such a rich man end of feeling desperate to be involved yet stay with a woman like that? Did he meet her online ?

Absolutely! Nothing worse than becoming a step-parent for teens. It doesn't matter how much I’m in love with the person I would never get married to someone that has teenage kids.

My stepdad, I see him as my dad. My mom was abusive but told me not to say a word about it to my dad. It wasn't until they divorced that I told him the extent of the abuse. He was floored and apologized to me. He's my dad.

I mean as a teenager I didn't have any issues with step-parents, probably because my parents got divorced when I was 3

Steve is the GOAT

@@thebigmanskeet6969 I felt the same about my stepdad. My bio-father was abusive to my mother and I, so when she finally found someone who treated her right and was a good, decent person, I was more than happy that she was with him. And when, as an adult, I ran into financial and health problems and needed to move into their basement for a while, he truly welcomed me and treated me like family in a healthy, kind way. We lost my stepdad to a brutal car accident just last spring, because some guy was street racing. I testified in court that that guy killed my dad, because he was so much more a father to me than my biological one ever had been.

@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?

I was just thinking that! I can’t imagine splitting siblings at all, much less twins!

I was thinking the same thing!! That's not ok twins have a very special bond

I agree 💯

Agreed… that’s so wrong.

I should have added in OP that I don't feel its right to separate any siblings, not just twins!! feels so cruel to me to be ripped away from ur brothers and or sisters and be separated by hundreds of miles. any child in that situation my heart hurts for them all!!

I wonder what happened to the coffins?

Right she is insane it gave me chills

I agree with you on every subject. I wouldn't separate my kids and they're not twins! I remember when my kids were young and my Mom told me to get life insurance for them when they were very young. I didn't want to because I was worried it would bring bad karma, until she explained what she did with me and my siblings. She'd pay for the policy until we turned 18, then she cashed them in and either gave us the money, or in my case, she bought me a car. Kinda like a savings account you can't touch!

​@@JoBlo321I just said the same shit outloud. How dehumanizing like the twins were dogs you get one and you get the other one...

Same

Yeah, they should look over it..

the case is too old means evidence is either lost or destroyed over time.

What's the point. You don't need to waste money in the courts to know what probably happened. Besides Celeste is never getting out so no need to charge her with another murder.

@@wettaloca2923 you need to see who killed the father. it's really suspicious.

She was the personification of evil. Steve definitely seemed to be a wonderful man who wanted nothing more to provide a harmonious and loving environment for his new family. Sad.

I was hoping he would make it too.

@@MsAmique Agrees

Same ❤💔

Soooo thankful for the LOVE those beautiful twins have that man Xoxo RIP & Prayers for ❤️😘STEVE😘❤️

sorry for your loss, but she is at better place 👐

im sorry for your lost❤

I couldn't tell for sure, but it looks like Jennifer still wears the ring he gave her, it is super sweet and tells how close they were in the short time they had him.

Which is why it's insane to buy into hearsay and titles as well as try to box people in. As someone's title won't speak on behalf of the quality of person that they are. To have any parent tell a child (in passing) oh I bought a casket for you. Oh yeah, why hoe?!?! Some so called "parents' are slick with their mouth and manipulations .....and if you don't check them, they will forever see and use you as a dummy! #period

@@junglekutz5625 She was mentally ill, you dummy.

I can say as a former stepparent it is extremely hard to be one. There are so many elements and factors involved that can make it hard to win the love of stepchildren. Fortunately, these girls were very open to the love of a stepparent and didn’t see him as trying to replace their father, and fortunately he was happy to give that love. It’s a beautiful story and I’m glad they have those memories and he can be seen, posthumously, as the compassionate father figure he was.

I know I got the short end. I wish so bad I could have this. Such a horrible story tho. I hope they have recovered mentally. I could not imagine my mother trying to kill me and my brother.

There are lots of wonderful step-parents out there who don't begin to get the credit they deserve because of the sickos who do abuse children, in general. It only takes one bad apple, you know.

@@marcyking461 Pretty sad when that bad uh rotten apple, is your own flesh n blood though hey?! 😕

@@fadetoblond Heartbreaking. Although, in one respect, these kids were very fortunate because they had each other. Think of the children who face similar tragedies with no one to lean on ... " I cried because I had no shoes, then I met a man without any feet".

My kids consider their stepdad their dad, they call him dad. And his mom is Grandma.❤❤❤

Steve is a hero indeed. Such a good step-father. I am also curious if Celeste had anything to do with the death of their biological father. He made it MONTHS and then died. That just doesnt happen with this kinda stuff. I read elsewhere that he was not properly being taken care of, that he died of an infection. That 100% has Celeste's handwriting all over it.

And many years later Jennifer was shot twice in the chest by her roommate at fairly close range and almost died. Her girlfriend was shot as well. They both survived (one other friend was killed). She deals now with PTSD and panic attacks related to the shooting.

@@jennacarolle5153 OMG!! Like she hadn't been thru enough! Absolutely 💔 to hear that info...

I'm glad they have each other

Agreed

That’s really sneaky and devious!

Definitely!

100%

and it’s very telling how manipulative she was to Tracy, if she never said that on the phone or Tracy never saw the protective order… Celeste would be free

Daughters as in these twins in question? They didn’t seem like gold diggers

@akirakato1293 I think they meant that he had kids with his ex and the kids he had with her were gold diggers as was she

@akirakato1293 The op is talking about the ex and the ex's daughter, not the twins.

@@elizabethparga6181 You are correct. Sorry for not clarifying that earlier. I don't know how I missed it.

@@childofcascadia You are correct.

Or your other parent, presumably.

My partner would attest to that - this happened with her and her twin brother due to a terrible foster care system that continuously failed them both, aswell as their sister. I feel awful for these two ladies that have had tragedy after tragedy but I'm really glad they were able to find a level of peace and move to do what they want to do. All the best for them both!

Why do you feel bad for a literal murderer? Just because what she was told about her victim was wrong it doesn't mean she's any less culpable

i do too

@@maddyc2412, Yo, people do have emotions, and sometimes, people can feel bad, even for the Worst of People. It's just a weird Humane thing called Empathy, it could be selective, or Random but still, Imagine being Tricked and Manipulated by them, who Made you think they were abused, causing you to shoot their accused Friend, or Partner, or Loved one, and turns out that Loved one was innocent. Maybe you would be Guilty, maybe not. In case you felt Offended, I am sorry, for I do not intend to Offend you, but just to add my two cents as to why this person feels Empathy.

Gross. Tha's the Western sisterhood for you. I think people expects this from you people.

Hmm..yeah I don t! She a f murderer!

He did not I would bet my car on it.

@@alwaysquestionyouropinions1119 thats one hell of a bet but shit, i agree

i doubt he would've left this earth with his children in that woman's possession :(

as sum1 who's had thoughts like that there's a lot that goes into it, a lot of worry, a lot of social and collateral padding. i don't believe he would've fought so hard for custody, just to relinquish *everything* just like that.

@@buddyboog6661 EXACTLY

She also married twice between their biological dad and Steve (he was her 4th husband). She married her 5th husband six months after Steve's death.

The system WAS and STILL is messed up……, they fail and it’s like they never learn from mistakes and stuff that happens years ago like they don’t look into problems or really take their time to give the kids a better life a good home it’s like they just working for a paycheck now and they can care less what happens

That’s a typical day in the life. Horrible parents and an evil system that help the bad parent keep the child. .. happens more than you could imagine

This is Texas. What do you expect? That state is the Third Circle of Hell. Stay away from Texas.

@@redfo3009 Yes, that is an evil system but it is Texas where politics and cronyism controls everything..even medical care. Stay away from Texas. It is not a good place to raise children, work or seek medical care. There is far too much corruption that permeates every aspect of life in that state.

The rotten mango podcast deep dives really well into this

What is the name of that show please? Is it on UKposts? Thank you for mentioning it 💕from Australia

Who did Celeste remarry? Do you know them personally?

I can't remember if it was a dateline episode or an episode of one of the crimes series, but I saw clips of the trial and tra us testimony. She kept silent a year but I guess while I'm prison she had internet access or something and saw that Celeste married some young guy in new orleansI think Celeste had been married like at least 4 times. Those girls were split up awhile too, like she was an awful mom. Not even a mom, a birthgiver at best.

Humans really are selfish, lmao. Tracy was ready to kill for Celeste because she loved her but as soon as Celeste turned her back she was ready to stab her (metaphorically) and came out with the truth, likely because she was jealous of "their love". Not the kids who lost their father, not the father himself, not justice, not truth for its own sake... just pure selfishness.

Wait have you seen the documentary called 3 identical strangers? Gotta watch it but do not look up any spoilers or Google it too heavily before you do it's a very famous story and it's crazier to watch if you haven't been spoiled about the stuff behind it.. It's not bad or dark or anything.. It's about 3 identical strangers and you eventually find out why they were separated so definitely look it up... Kids are Possessions and dollar signs in this country

Especially considering how far apart they lived!

Welcome to Family Court smh

There was a movie that was like that, about twins getting separated by divorced parents and living without each other. I can't believe how many times it has actually happened irl. It is absolutely messed up.

I'm not buying that. There's 2 sides to manipulation....the manipulator and a person that is desperate for ?!?!? You can fill in the blanks. As the manipulation can only take place if there is a thirst (basically said manipulator is privy to what said person wants and needs. As being able to provide and or take away whatever need is how said manipulator controls them. Tracey sounds like she did what she was asked/told, in order to receive whatever.

​@@junglekutz5625Didn't you hear the part where Celeste manipulated her into thinking she started a relationship with her out of love and on top of that, made her believe that Steve was a cruel and abusive man? It wouldn't be the first time that a person would kill someone, because they believed that their loved one is in danger, due to abuse. The fact that she started confessing when she read that the twins were in grave danger days alot about her true character. And that she apologized to the girls after the crime. Sadly enough lonely and unaccepted people seem to have the ability to go far, when they get a shred of affection. I wished she saw through Celeste's evil ways, before she killed Steven.

@@Hbk-gc7st thank you, I think it’s also important to remember where they met - A MENTAL HOSPITAL. It’s partly on the people there for allowing someone as manipulative and conniving as the mom to be around anyone as vulnerable as Tracy.

A victim? Once you load a shotgun and blow away an innocent man that goes out the window. Both of these muff lickers deserve the death penalty

@@junglekutz5625 Did you miss the part where the daughters spoke with Tracy who apologized profusely, admits she was manipulated and one of the sisters conceded that Tracy was also a victim of this psycho's scheme?

Omg. I lived in Southlake TX from 2007-2018. What a small world.😊

I thought for a moment that maybe Celeste had something to do with his death.

I believe they should reopen his case.

I believe that is when she realized that she was being loyal to an imbecile that played her. But truth be told, that is what she gets for believing that she was better than that man and being that she was "chosen".......she was actually chosen because she was loved. 🙄. Guilt will definitely kick in, when you come to accept the facts vs whatever fantasy you subscribed to. As she likely sensed the worst when she was being ensnared, but bought into the hype with a belief that she would get the best.

I wonder if Celeste manipulated the bio dad into ending his life, so that custody automatically reverted to her. With her intention being to kill both girls for life insurance/their share of any inheritance.

It was when Tracy found out that Celeste had remarried that she decided to talk. I watched the trial live back when it happened.

I was wondering if she did him in too

@@TaharkahXwow! She got a new husband? Do you know how much time was between the death of Steve and the new marriage? 😮

"suicide"

Right

Epstein didn’t kill himself.

Sounds a lot like Amber Heard 🤔☺️

Jennifer appears to be a lesbian too!

​@@psychicrenegade the emotional abuse, yeah. the literal murder? no. let's not conflate the two, it takes away from both issues.

uh.....@@psychicrenegade

I wouldn't say Tracey is innocent in any kind of way, but i kinda feel bad for her.

Yep, she was totally unmoved by what her daughters had to say about and to her.

Right, narcs could care less. And she will be fine in jail, cuz she has nothing to feel sad about.

Yes she was a waitress he had money due to oil and was major wealthy, he really loved her and the girls paid for everything etc cut it was when the wife was questioned about the increasing amount of money she was spending on ridiculous things and put her on an allowance and that’s what caused the plot to get rid of him. She ruined her daughters lives selfishly and taking the life of a wonderful person and drawing in someone that was clearly mentally unstable is simply evil. Goes to show how they feel about their mother by calling her Celeste not mom and their step father dad

I don't really see the worth of living That has left me long ago

😢​@@Lucifer_Ultima

Literal Solomon cutting the baby in twain situation. 1 Kings 3:16-18 If you don't know tl;dr Two women come to King Solomon with a baby, both claiming to be the mother. Solomon states as a "compromise" to have the baby cut in half and one half given to each women. One women agrees to these terms, while the other would rather just give the baby up instead of you know, cutting the baby in half. King Solomon then determines the woman who didn't accept these terms to be the real mother, the "compromise" being a clever ruse to reveal who the real mother was, because he know a real mother would never accept these demands.

To me this was an abomination

Can you please elaborate When you say it is an abomination

​@@SaneleLeonardI believe they mean the crime itself was an abomination

Well said. Good men don't ask to be recognized for good deeds. And seldom get it. This good man must have suspected something was going on. He shielded and gave these girls love.

Yes!! I love this perspective!!

Same here..I am a twin myself. We are identical twins.

I thought that as well.

I'm thinking these two girls might not have made it through the ordeal, had it not be for the support of one another, so in that aspect of this horrible scenario, they are somewhat lucky and, yes, very awesome. Sometimes the silver lining in those big dark clouds are easier to find than others. Think of the children in similar situations who have no one to lean on. I come across stories like this one, and Thank God that I had the mother that I did, may she RIP.

BREAKS, not BRAKES. BRAKES are for cars.

@@mjremy2605 you are of course right! I'm not a native English speaker.

@@kindnessalwayswins And yet, you did not fix your mistake. You prefer to continue with your poor English even when the correct word has been provided to you. This shows an unwillingness to improve your language skills. By the way, it is INDIFFERENCE, not INDIFFERENCES. Two mistakes in two sentences and an attitude of sloppiness toward language. Write in another language if you cannot master this one.

@@kindnessalwayswinswow you are really calm