Which is precisely why... A lot of us refuse to pay for them by Not buying one... 😁

I just posted the same thing about the 914 before reading the comments. You're spot on.

And don't forget the Porsche wagon (Audi rs2). Porsche probably wouldn't exist as we know it without the Cayenne. There was a number of times Porsche was on the brink and were just trying to survive.

Please listen to what I said, you are changing the narrative to allow you to contradict what I said….listen again

@@andrewd2012people who get mad at Porsche for suvs need their heads checked.

My 944 turbo one of the best handling and most satisfacory porsche to drive.

You beat me to it!

Porsche.. The consulting company. Will build cars for other manufacturers. The 914... The 924/944/968 which was VW parts bin with an Audi engine initially. Not even supposed to be a Porsche but VW backed out. Then there's the other stuff like the Audi RS2. That one even had Porsche branded brake calipers and wheels on it. And then there's the Mercedes 500E which was part built by Porsche largely due to chassis modification and manufacturing constraints at the Mercedes Sindelfingen factory.

VERY GOOD POINT SIR ONE I WILL REMEMBER!

@@ILikeWatches2 Also it's possible that Omega protested heavily against the moonswatch but their options are pretty limited in that respect considering they're owned by swatch.

Fair point here actually well said 👍

Yeah, I unsubscribed from him. I could tell the money and fame were going to his head.

yep. Some Chinese watches are nice, they break all rules, but San Martin will never match the likes of Seiko in quality. The guys like this one just add to negative selection

I like your reply. You have a terrible watch, and don't mind bragging about it. If you want a Rolex, save up and buy a Rolex. For doing an assault course, G Shock?

@@verynormalman If one must "save up" to buy any watch, they probably shouldn't buy that watch. There are plenty of good and some great watches available at many different price points, I personally sold the two Rolex watches that I had in my collection in favor of Tudor. I was able to buy two Tudors and several Ball watches with the difference in price between the brands. I have to say that I don't miss the Rolex watches The Tudor Black Bay 58 collection is a great value for the money and a much nicer watch in my opinion,

I like san Martin but like seiko's not always having their bezels lining up I know san Martin's quality control can be hit or miss sometimes. I know there not as bad as many people claim and ive seen Jody from just one more watch talk about how good their factory is ect ect but I'm scared I'll be the one to get a lemon. I've seen more then one person get a lemon and it just makes me uneasy.

​@@trevorgray4852you can also purchase a Rolex and get a lemon...just saying

@@trevorgray4852 I have had many over the years, and the only issue I had was with a misaligned Cyclops. Believe me, you have far more chance of getting a dodgy Seiko than a dodgy SM

How does it change anything?

​@@neutronalchemist3241 End result ... nothing. Just pointing out it was the decision of the parent company not Omega directly.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Yes, it’s been a success for sure but at a cost sadly.

lol….so true

I need to have a chat with my service centre then because I pay more than that 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@ILikeWatches2 you must have been wearing that Rolex when you went in then! 😉

Then get a cheaper car…or bicycle or take public transport. You aren’t forced to pay for it. It’s not like water or electricity…you have choices. Geez people.

lol....quite the opposite, I wear my worst clothes when I get it serviced just because I'm so against the pretentious nature of things like that...I look like a hobo and I can tell it catches them off guard! I'm not your typical Porsche owner 😂 I've literally had people approach me and say how can you afford that....:)

@@glenoh88 well done Glen - that’s just what I did, you’re one smart cookie!

Swatch doesn't own omega. The "swatch group" owns both the swatch brand and omega brand. It's not like one brand is above the other, they are both owned by the same group. The swatch group and swatch brand are not the same thing. It's like saying Peugeot and Stellantis are the same thing.

Exactly, that the group is called "The Swatch Group" is just a name. They could change it to "The Longines Group" wouldn't mean Longines owned Swatch Watches or Omega. Like "the VW/Audi Group" own VW cars, Audi cars, Lamborghini, Skoda etc. And while were at it Rolex don't own Tudor.

@@Ted_Kenzoku I don't know the relationship between Peugeot and Stellantis, however I suspect it's closer to saying Ford Motor group, and Ford are the same thing. The swatch group, and line of watches, both started in 1983, and I suspect at the time, no one thought of them as separate things.

@@fontyyy I'm not sure how the swatch group works but Porsche effectively bought the VW/AUDI group but created a holding company within which the brands (including Porsche) sit. Does this mean we could get a Skoda GT engineered by Porsche?

The Swatch group.....is Swatch. Swatch made billions on their entry level watches. The SG was born out of that. And they bought up numerous other brands. Fortunately most of those brands are allowed to run their own operations.

lol….

I want one….thinking of selling some watches to buy one actually

I hope tudor knew how to make a dial which is not white circles or helvetica numbers...

Wow….well there you go…thanks for the comment!

Pagani doesn’t produce homages. These are just copies.

@@TheTejanoJose close to that but not quite, there are some differences that distinguish it as a homage.

that i would like to see too... but i think gary should get a refund, to get more better affordable watches and let some poor bloke have it.

Sounds good!

Forged and stamped parts are tougher than milled parts. I don't know of many movements that use "stamped brass and plated" parts (and yet there would be nothing mechanically wrong with the plates being made of brass IE. The mechanical strain they face is so ridiculous that they could be very well made out of plastic). Brass is used in watch gearing, also by Rolex, because, alternating metals (a large brass wheel that engages a small steel wheel) reduces wear.

@@neutronalchemist3241 That’s not true for many parts. They are not tougher, if you look at wear on the main plate for example, some bridges, they benefit a lot not being made from plated bras. For some springs yes it is true, stamped parts can be tougher, but their action is different. For most wheels brass is recommended.

Rolex have a little crown on their watches. It's becuase they are the king of marketing. Keep drinking the Rolex cool-aid.😘

I'm in watch school at the moment and one of our instructors brought in his friends Submariner (early 2000's era, before they switched to bearings on their automatic rotor), and you could see that the rotor weight, due to lack of lubrication, had wobbled out the pivot point and was now grinding the rhodium plating off the main plate. -To the watches credit it was still running but was making a hell of a racket! Rolex movements are some of the best mass produced movements on the market.

I'd love you to do a Moonswatch review. So, glad I didn't buy one😊

lol….

It is expensive for the poor quality it offers .

These two brands are for wannabe rich people. Most of the actual rich people would use a VC,JLC,PP,AP etc

I consider myself middle class and have Omega, Rolex, Tudor and Seiko in my collection. By any means am I rich nor do I bought these watches to show off. I just bought them because I like their unique designs, quality in movements and long history as a watchmaker. Of course I am influenced by their marketing and brand reputation and I love their logos and since I am into watches I wanted to have one of them in my collection and despite the hype and all that around them they are just producing good quality entry level luxury watches. I would never see myself as rich just by owning and wearing them, but I am thankful that I am able to afford those kind of in this day and age senseless jewelry. So for someone who is not able to afford those I may be seen as rich, but I am not from my own perspective. I did also choose models from their catalogue that fly under the radar, because I like the understated classic way and don’t want to be in the center of attention. I just wanted watches from them for what their stand for and I can enjoy. AP, PP and VC are a whole different story and I will never be able to afford them, but even if I could I wouldn’t be comfortable wearing them in public for safety reasons so I would stick to my Omega.

They absolutely did waste their money to show off to others... that's the only reason one buys a rolex

Porsche ≠ Porsche Design.

It happens a lot…once….then the brands realise how stupid it was, not Swatch…they’re all in 😂

@@ILikeWatches2 it’s funny how other reviewers were saying this was a clever move by omega to get a new generation of watch people. But really, if you bought that piece of plastic as your first watch, you’d be put off ever buying an Omega 😂

Yeah….i realise now that there has been cross overs….insanity

@@ILikeWatches2l

Who… I’d love to know

Lol

True actually....well remembered

I mean "this moons watch is the biggest piece of shit..." Awesome!

lol….sounds good!

I feel better now! great therapy

Not what I said

I bought a Boxster S 718 in 2019….before I had the channel 😂

I love my pelagos FXD, but apparently San Martin finish is tits lol. Well I have a San Martin for sale on eBay and its now in the same universe as my Tudor. Other than it tells time and that's were the similarity stops lol.

Really 🤔 😂

He was on Pre coffee rant!! 🤣

Oh it worked....but short term profit at the cost of brand respect sadly

Bravo, couldn't agree more, its seems the one ones who want the big guys, cant afford them so to help their fragile ego, they but cheap Chinese knock offs and the watch snob lol how better they are lol. GTFO.

Please point me in the direction of a VW car that has a porsche badge on the bonnet/hood that you can buy today...and Porsche almost went under then, it was the launch of the Boxster which shared a front end with the 911 996 that saved Porsche....

@@ILikeWatches2 The Porsche Cayenne is basically a VW Touareg, and lots of the parts have VW branding. The Touareg and Cayenne base models shared the VW 3.6L VR6 gas engine and the 3.0L diesel. The current 3rd Gen vehicles still share platforms and VW parts.

@@ILikeWatches2 The 924, 924 Turbo, and eventual 944, kept Porsche solvent in the 1970's and 1980's. For that matter, Porsche sold over 121K base 924 models and over 113K base 944s.

I should be smiling, my 718s is increasing in value and with 8000 miles on the clock it's a keeper, i'll never sell it

@@ILikeWatches2 I'm not saying Porsche is a bad brand, but they have been willing to trade reputation for volume. My first car was a '67 Porsche 912.

The celebrations dial is awful. This watch ain't fun, it rather reminds me of an evil horror clown.

Rolex are notorious for scratched hands….and if you think they are fully servicing watches to certify them then sorry, not happening…it said nothing in the listing about it being serviced.

@@ILikeWatches2 The watch comes with a service guarantee guarantee and a booklet. You only need to look in the booklet for the last service date.

This is what the 'pre-owned' sellers on the internet are saying and you only have to look at the service booklet that comes with them to see when it was last serviced. If they're lying they should be outed.

I’ve got no way of telling if it’s serviced or not sadly….by looking at it that is…next time I’m round his house I’ll ask if the book has a service recorded in it

@@ILikeWatches2 They may laser engrave them when they service them.

Porsche almost went out of business then…😂 all that saved them was the first boxster which shared so much with the then new 911z they changed their approach to car making and became the titan they are today but it almost never happened….they were a nats dick away from going bust

I agree with you,I've had breitling,oris,tag,hamilton,rado,omega,they've all gone now apart from Omega,I have a few SM and Cronos,fantastic build quality and value for money.

What an absolute BS comment. Fine sell me all your high end brand and I will pay you San Martin price. To say you have all these high ends watch's then say my $300 Chinese knock is better is utter horse SH*T lol. Yeah I own Ferrari, Porsche, Audi and my Kia Rio is by far hands down. GTFO out here. Good Lord. SMH. You clearly do not own those watches.