basically: every lesson can be wrong cause it depends - for example the phone on the battlefield question The Ukraine were able to use and enable the western media and yt world to improve the boost / support inside western populations which has become important

A great discussion, very timely. Thanks, I really like it when 2 creators I subscribe to, share a topic. Really great.

You keep uploading right when it's my bedtime. Why you keep doing this to me?

Jamming 30:18 Haven't you seen the videos of Ukrainians capturing enemy drones with jamming antenna?

The US Navy in conjunction with DoD came up with hand held EMP guns in order to take out Russian subs in Puget Sound. The Russian liked to trail the Trident back to their base and because they were were nuclear subs the US could only watch. Sinking a nuclear sub in the 3rd highest trafficked sea lane/fishing grounds in the US would be counter productive to the US economy so they came up with the Emp gun as teh solution to take out the Russian subs. I have no idea if it was every used for that function. The EMP handgun's advantage over a normal EMP was that it's EMP was semi-directional vs 360 degrees. It's 40 year old tech so I have to assume the EMP handgun has gotten smaller since then.

Military experts ! I thought it was the worst gay prawn I'd ever seen.

@@julianshepherd2038 Now I can imagine the whole vid playing with smooth Jazz in the background lol

#thatjusthappened

Oi! Chieftain! Your Nerd is showing! :P

I feel sorry for the Jem'Hadar (Ruzzians)

Oh come on, you hakkapelles are not known from backing down from a fight💪

Yet the legacy of Lauri Törni should remain somewhere, right? :P

@@p_serdiuk he loved war so much he changed nationalities 3 times to keep fighting.

That can become less black/white, for instance after Saddam Hussein's Kuwait invasion doing nothing would have allowed further conquest of oil production. There was a compelling strategic need to defend and then defeat the aggression.

The thing Bernhard mentioned with austria is also rooted in the current generations not having wittnessed any conflict anywhere close to austria. Neither armed not unarmed, and no potential threat like you have with your easter neighbour I did my service 22 years ago so more in the timeframe like Bernhard did his. And i am old enough to remember the wars that ended Yugoslavia. Before that, at the start of the 90's our population was "comfortable" and few thought they would ever want to fight for austria too. Then the war came to the border, houses on our side of the border got bullet holes, our tanks were standing at the border armed and ready and AAA was dug in around the airports and airbases. (first time i saw live AAA guns in a farming field outside of our village.) I may only have been in my early teens, but i remember how fast that unfolded, and how big suddenly the support for our armed forces and soldiers was. Even the green party people who advocated for giving up the army and "hated on soldiers" as we would say today suddenly swalowed their pride and went to the soldiers and thanked them for their service. That's how fast the sentiment can change. That mood went to sleep again pretty fast afterwards "when we were surrounded by friends" again. Still, in my generation some remembered when we started our service. The current gen was born way later. And so they can't even imagine any of our neighbouring countries to be in a conflict with us. (Same was true with Yugoslavia, but people seldom learn from history) The other thing is what people learn in school about war and armed conflicts here. You have to remember that Austria was on the loosing side of both of the last armed conflicts our people took part that people know of. Nobody learns about battles or fights of WW1 and WW2, what we learn about are the atrocities of our side. So pupils learn: "we lost, we did bad things" and unconsciencely we also learn that we "are bad at fighting" as "we lost every war we were in" (This goes even further, if young people go on the internet and look at all the historical battle depiction channels, there's almost entirely battles the austrians/Habsburg armies lost depicted, so this bias increases even more. Although if they lost verything, they wouldn't have stayed in power for several hundred years ;-) ) The only fights we learn about that our side won are the 2 sieges of vienna. And with one of them the internet says the poles won it. (While incredibly important for the fight, they were basically one third of the front that hit the ottomans and kicked them out. The planning, the direction that was chosen and the other 2/3rds of the fighting force who achieved the same thing as the winged husars are rarely mentioned. Because of him being the highest ranking person, the polish king officially had the command "on paper" so he and his troops get the fame.)

What do americans call "fighter-bombers"? The F-117 was designated such deliberately for coldwar disinformation purpose. And it has zero air to air capability, not even defensive. It's a stealthy light bomber.

The F117 has been withdrawn from service because it has become a target drone.

F117 "retired" because that project and it's technology and its benefits had ran its course.

At the time there was a brag about the Russians providing newer radar systems to allow the aircraft to be shot down... but that was at the time.

As I said at the time, a blind man with a machine gun can still shoot you.

wars not really ukraine vs russia its more like europe va russia

And that Russia is not the USSR. It is a small economy in comparison.

This war is more similar to WW1 than WW2 in more ways than one, firstly there is the aspect that because of the development of extremely effective anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons tanks and aircraft have been pushed aside and artillery is once again queen of the battlefield and the infantryman king, and secondly just like WW1 each sides arms production is out of reach of the other.

I'll bet they're helping with the Russian POW'S, as well.

I would be very suprised if our 'helpers', 'contractors' or 'vendors' are not operating on ukraininan territory

Is that native pronounciation? I just thought Bernard mispronounced it and Chieftain went with his pronunciation. TIL

@@Cdre_Satori That is not how I've heard it pronounced. There are several guides on the web. Bernard does his best, so I take it in stride - remembering that some deutsch speakers in his audience are kibitzing that he doesn't use that language in his videos, and that arguing proper engrish prononsiatuin is a lost cause. I worked out the reference from my limited knowledge of modern american navy cruiser class names, and my own wargaming experience (not as detailed as Nick's with Harpoon). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ticonderoga_(CG-47)

@@Cdre_Satori Tie - con - da - roga in American. Of course I have no idea how the Iroquois would have said it 400 years ago.

Look up the videos of German speakers saying "squirrel" for the first time.

Time stamp or it didn’t happen

Right. Drones will find their niche, big or small.

And then it becomes AliBaba drones dropping murder machines I LOVE it !

Civdiv does it right. He goproed his time in Ukraine and showed the vids/pics WEEKS later, not HOURS with a simcard in his phone.

It's also laughable how they're saying Ukraine is winning propaganda war bc Russians don't have phones, which is untrue because their telegraph channels are full of phone videos. Maybe they should consider the massive deplatforming effort on part of the American empire. These days there are far more videos of ZALA Lancet blowing up UA hardware but nobody ever talks about it in the West. Ukraine is in very dire need of a large number of modern point defense vehicles, probably like .5 per km of the front to account for downtime. But does the west even have anything good apart from the Otomatic that doesn't cost more to fire than the target is worth ?

Lol, the Otomatic is just a prototype, but why isn't Ukraine showing off those snazzy Rheinmetall 35mm guns killing drones and we instead have grainy videos of Lancets diving into S-300 and such.

@@IvanTre Because Ukraine doesnt have the 35mm guided anti aircraft weapons. It has older 35mm SPAAG. So far Ukraine has been shooting down majority of the slow kamikazee drones but some will get through. It also cannot cover the entire country. Lastly those suicide drones filmed themselves diving into a fucking inflatable/wood decoy. Take that as you will

A 1SG in my former unit was irritated, because he had to send a soldier off to CPOF ("Command Post of the Future") training, despite the company being right in the middle of Gunnery qualification. He stood up outside his M113 and held up his smartphone, proclaiming, *"THIS* WILL BE THE COMMAND POST OF THE FUTURE."

Yeah, meanwhile with dancing salsa it is the other way.

@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized win some, lose some

At least in my experience, some of the problem is that NCO's that become instructors can't keep rhythm either. Watch 1981's "Stripes" with Bill Murray. The song "Doo Wah Diddy" is absolutely correct marching cadence. Just like "Staying Alive" is ironically the correct pace for chest compressions when performing CPR.

@@neoprofin Need to keep that one in my head

Lovers not fighters lol.

16:30 'Quark gives Nog some advice about humans' ep.158. "...put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly intelligent wonderful people will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."---Quark

Quark and Garrak both had some amazing commentary in DS9. I used to be a TNG boy but DS9 is just superb in a lot of the writing. Quarks monologue about reminding humans of themselves was another good one.

Even his opinion about the New Trek series is spot on. It flipped the whole philosophy so far on its head, its insanity to consider it the same franchise. Make your case for Lower Decks, Prodigy or even Strange New Worlds if you want, but Picard and Discovery are completely devoid of anything Trek, especially social commentary. The only thing better than the quote from AR-558 is the dialog between Quark and Garak about root beer.

Logistics are a bit like the blood supply in the body.

Darmok and Jalad, at Tanagra.

Temba, his arms wide.@@runi5413

I've had that conversation. "Stopping me doing my job is as much a security failure as allowing hackers in."

yea olde security vs convenience struggle ;-) ...

And on the other hand, grunts hooking up their cell to download porn off a secured network, leaving USBs and sticky notes with their passwords on it, and otherwise assuming the enemy must be in the tent to get into an internet enabled computer.... The security guys have removed so many installations of Doom and other games from the wackiest places. Wouldn't shock me to learn someone got a game running on a Ballistic Missile computer.

Cyber guy: **why can't you just talk face to face, so much more secure**

Iran had a number of computerized machines, that were not connected to the internet (just the factory's building intra-net), hacked by a virus that had been imbedded in a few thousand USBs. This caused a massive reduction in the production in enriched uranium.

The ukranian/German logistics model worked fairly well because they only had/have to work across a land border relatively nearby. US logistics usually have to work across an ocean. That multiplies the needs for simplification and standardisation

I would bet on that. You are running out of men too, high desertion rate and 20% of the country's population left. Funny enough more than half escaped to Russia.

@@steffenb.jrgensen2014 As far as i remember german logistics was trash and one of their downfalls.

@@lugerun I'll claim that it worked very fine with the job it had - supplying armies over land (railway) and with a central position. That is a very different situation compared to the US which makes it close to meaningless to compare US and German logistics. Pretty consistently the Wehrmacht had a better supply distribution efficiency than the Red Army and even in late war the Germans could much faster move large troop formations from one front in Europe to another than the (w)allies - and even to a large degree unseen. Only when allied fighterpombers in 1945 for serious started to strafe anything moving in Germany did the German railway based system start to fail for serious. But even though German war production increased until 1944 (when strategic supplies were cut off by allied (Soviet) boots on the ground) it was a poor comfort as the allied (US) production increased many times more (which is industrial capacity, not logistic). IOW the German problems wasn't their logistic system, that worked OK, their problem was the US logistical system actually succeeding in sending huge amounts of war materiel across oceans. But even with this fine system the allies couldn't keep the entire front in NW Europe in 1944/45 supplied to offensive operations but had to focus.

basicaly over cautious

i think not because not all infantry got drones but special operators only. i think its so called pyramid that was mentioned. drones have cameras and produce a lot of videos and those videos are send around. people said that are not even near enough drones to cover all anyway.

@@jebise1126 Fair enough

That was the RTR testing an experimental setup with multiple cameras, if I recall correctly. I believe that the Chieftain learned about it via a conversation with an RTR officer.

@@jebise1126 In a proper Military, normal Infantry got Surveillance Drones too. The difference betwern dedicated UAV-Teams and embedded UAV-Units is that a UAV-Teams Drone is usually for themselves and used for Fire Support Coordination in combination with Artillery or Air assets or for pure reconnaissance while embedded UAV-Teams share their Data with not only a Part of the own Forces, but all of them on a Regional Theater level. The CL-289 or RQ-20 would be examples of Drones used for the "general Forces" on a Regional Theater Level while something like Black Hornet or AR100 is for Tactical use by dedicated Fire Controllers or Reconnaissance Forces while something like a Global Hawk is something used on a Strategical Level.

That and the lessons we learned were that you need an armored backplate for soldiers and if you are fast-roping units in a in urban environment. Drop them on the building rooftops not the middle of the street where they are sitting ducks.

There is also the british Paras in the Falklands. They did perform well, but also took high casualties

@@ricardokowalski1579 That in part was due to the terrain they were being dropped on, boulder strewn with little vegetation. Lot of broken bones.

The US basically learned that lesson and now it snowballed into the other side where they will not use helicopter at all if the shit was too thick. It just sucked it took two conflicts for the US to get that into their head. They said the RPG-7 couldn't bring down a helicopter and the Viet Cong did that against our Huey's and then the US said well that shouldn't work on modern Blackhawks and it worked again in Mog.

@@ricardokowalski1579 They didn't actually parachute in though. The reason they took high casulties is because paras want to win engagements more than they want to live through them.

yes best way to not be heartbroken is to not fall in love, the best way to avoid a heart attack is to not eat. the best way to not die in a car crash is to not drive.

Lesson #2: It's free to be a jerk, it's free to be nice, but it's a lot cheaper to not have to pick your teeth up off the floor after someone's had enough of your jerkery. Or in this case, it's a lot cheaper to let people just speak their language than to have to rebuild your country after losing your resource rich regions, blue water ports, and infrastructure.

Japan entered the chat

@@ifv2089 I'd say there were two reasons for Japanese surrender. Atomic bombs, sure but they were not as devastating as firebombing campaign before it. The second one is the destruction of Quantum Army by the Soviets that happened at the same time. Before those two events the Japanese held the hope that if they were able to bleed out Americans landing on their home islands, they would be able to get themselves into negotiations and peace treaty. When their most powerful army collapsed and americans made clear they have more than one bomb and can do atomic bombings regularly Japanese realized that they will not be able to fight off the invasion of two superpowers. Eventually they got to keep the Emperor and there was no splitting into occupation areas, like in Germany, which were some of their goals with the whole bleeding out the americans thing.

@@katamarankatamaranovich9986yeah the firebombings were fearce, an example of where bombings worked.. took a few nukes as well

@@ifv2089 Well kind of the fire bombings didn’t really affect Japanese morale, neither did the two nukes. Imperial Japan was going to fight to the bitter end even if the entire country was nuked. What ended the war was several factors that included the nukes and Soviets combining with the Emperor directly intervening and surrendering. Bombing has a history of not working and if it did work it was not the main reason, usually it was something along the lines of military defeat or starvation.

@@JoseReyes-jo7tc i was always under the impresion this was one of the few terror bombings that delivered its intended effects, very intresting thanks, excited to look into this in more depth now.

Ooops.

And clearly so did the builder's of the NASA Constellation / SLS rocket program, finally on the way to the moon but daaaaammmmm - what a $$$ price payed for decades now to get off the pad! Especially for a system conceived as a quickie reuse of proven Shuttle bits! I'm sure a few masters and doctoral theses will be written on this mess of a project, even if it completely achieves all milestones. 😕🙄

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangail_Airdrop

I think airdrops should be used against worn out enemies with constant presure on the frontline and air superiority, if its only a start of a war when there are enough reserves indeep of lines airdrop gonna lead to disaster

@@user-fu2sg4vt3d mean you can use it to kickstart something, but you'd need to be Damn sure that you can get a relief force there within 12 hours, and that the enemy can't muster it's forces at that location overwhelming those troops, generally you're right though they're support elements to achieve otherwise unreachable goals

Not so much "when used properly" as "The Indian side had complete air superiority". With radar anti-air missiles available to your enemy, air drops are insane as the whole planes full of your best soldiers will go down. And if some do get through, they find themselves in encirclement and without supply very quickly, exactly the position you do not want to be in. It's like anti-battery radars making static artillery positions (and hence towed artillery) pretty much suicidal. And not like these are new technologies, they are available for well over 50 years. So you kind of use some dumb techniques against savages because they are so much weaker technologically, but do not try it against even half-competent enemy.

The Hostomel operation was a massive failure due to wrong Intel, the VDV forces was expected to be reinforced by ground forces , the RuAF was supposed to have air superiority and resistance not very heavy. The VDV force had to face Ukrainian rapid reaction forces that included armor, mechanized infantry and special forces supported by artillery, helicopters and even fighter bombers. No SF/ para force can fight such fire power.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Mortality rate for the Russian POWs is very high. A significant number of them is killed or tortured to death. A few days ago about 10 Russian POWs were lined up and shot. There is plenty of information on the internet about their treatment at the hands of the Ukrainians. If you watch the exchange footage the Ukrainian POWS are well fed and in good conditions, the Russian POWs are malnourished and many of them can barely walk from all the torture. Ukraine is on par with ISIS when it comes to treatment of POWs.

@@boomer955 The internet is a funny thing, because everything you just said, I see the exact opposite of it. But sure, feel free to believe that you see only the "truth".

@@user-pf1yf2lc9q Show me a video of Ukrainian POWs executed

@@boomer955 Show me a video of Russian POW "lined up and executed" first.

That makes sense, just like planes have some EW and search radar capability so they are not completely dependent on AWCS and EW aircraft. Can't have your high-value assets naked.

I expect that role could extend to "mission planner" as the tank will moving into contact or in exploitation be looking for the safest and most covered approach (unless you think the enemy are covering the route with something heavy). #

In the near term, that's definitely the case. A four man crew with a drone operator instead of a loader (an auto loader is obviously doing the loading)wpuld be a serious edge. That's at least 2 drones flying for one platoon searching any terrain which can possibly hide enemy vehicles or infantry while the other 2 recharge and the operators rest. Add that in with company level recon drones, dismounted infantry platoons and their drones along with the infantry company's drones, with a good battle network, and you'll have an excellent system for recon and security.

The fact is they got very little NATO hardware compared to what was given of what they already had and were using. Russia helped out a lot as well...

If talking about PzH2000 and CAESAR, they are operational WAY less than 30% of time. If you believe the Ukrainians who actually use them (if you understand Ukrainian I can recommend a channel or two, I learned enough Ukrainian in the last 9 months just to understand the incredible military content they produce nowadays). They call even M109s (at least those few M109A3s and M109A4s they got, from Belgium and Netherlands by the way of Britain) unreliable and "delicate". And that is after using mainly 2S1s and 2S3s. This war has proven that there is a lot to be said about good old (ancient by now) Soviet tech made for real war, not to fill the pockets of private defense contractors.

That can't be Ukraine, not with what's been coming from Telegram for a long time.

Also I'm glad we're all in agreement that Nu Trek fucking sucks.

Yep, Quark certainly has our number.

@@SirAntoniousBlock Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun, come right now, don't walk - run!

@@JHorsti 😂 Dabo!

Sort of … because, if I were a technician (which I'm not), I would prefer to take my "paid holiday" in Poland, Romania, Lithuania, or Estonia (etc.), instead of taking it in Ukraine (where I might be targeted by Russian artillery.) I think there may be a number of "paid holidays" in progress. I'm just quibbling about which side of the border they're occurring on.

Well given that Summer is gone, I hope that those guys have brought their winter clothes for their holiday.

More money in Ukraine

@@karlr750 Correct. Per Outlaw Josey Wales- "Dyin' is a hell of a way to make a living".

A reasonable conclusion

@@TheChieftainsHatch I think Perun covered this in one of his videos.

@@GARDENER42 he did mention that in one of his videos, but it was well before conscription occurred. I think the Russians weren’t intending on a long war even after they realized the Ukrainians were capable of fighting back. It had to take some extraordinarily shortsighted official to make that decision.

@@hummerskickass Note that what Putin did was 'partial' mobilisation, not conscription. Conscription happens twice a year in Russia but the conscripts aren't allowed to serve outside Russia. Putin may get round this by saying the four 'annexed' Ukrainian oblasts ARE part of Russia, though that would almost certainly backfire domestically.

There are reports that the main thing the Russians are doing in Belarus at the moment is using their training ranges, and that the number of Russians there was far fewer than initially thought when it was initially assumed they were setting up a blocking force to pin Ukrainian soldiers near the border, in the order of 10-20,000 rather than 30-50,000.

True, Germany and Belgium did piss poor energy policy and reactions to the crisis. And the biggest culprit is the liberalization of the european energy market by the liberal parties. They sold us out.

Why did they ever elect Angela Merkel. Anyone who prefers East Germany to West Germany has issues

Merkel stood for "stability." Old folks LOVE stability. Germany IS an old peoples society.

merkel is a traitor and should be jailed. Literally thousands died directly because of her.

Germany was at least trying until *SOMEBODY* blew up their gas pipeline.

Thanks! 😃

I should have known you are in the proper community given your excellent videos on PzH 2000 :)

@@johanmetreus1268 military history Visualized, the chieftain and military aviation history were certainly Part of the motivation for me to start a channel myself. But they are of course still by far on another Level

@@Sabelzahnmowe Well, they have had a few years of practice. Still, the explanation of true MRSI and its application in batteries is something I have not heard from anywhere else, so keep up the good work!

Many of us read him, but alas we weren't in charge of the either the troops or the war, we were just little cogs in that war! Strange, today in Vietnam, High School students study English rather than the previous Russian, they as a nation HATE Chinese, not ethnic Vietnamese/Chinese, but Mainland Chinese! As one former Viet Cong Captain with the T-10 Sapper Battalion told me "The war was long ago, you did your job and I did my job, but today nobody cares about the war! Today, Vietnam wants to be friends with the United States, since we have a common enemy, CHINA!" Yes, after 55 years. since I graduated from Vietnamese Language School at DLI, I can still read and speak "passable" Vietnamese!

@@khiem1939 Thanks for the insight!

Dead on. Much wisdom to be gleaned from’Street without Joy.’

Dien Bien Phu Hell in a Very Small Place was Fall's book about it.

@@khiem1939 Count the number of wars between Vietnam and China, and check who Vietnam fought their most recent war with, and it makes plenty of sense.

A Starlink sat beam has a diameter of 15 miles which is treated as an hexagonal cell, with each sat capable of forming 16 beams or cells in a honeycomb pattern, however the sat is constantly moving and so are the cells it projects with you being handed off to the next cell like when using a mobile phone, so in theory if your standing still your presence could potentially be detected in a 30 by 15 mile slice. However its likely a sniffer plane could pick up the scattered reflections of the transmissions and listen in upto a couple of hundred miles away.

@@watcherzero5256 Ukraine Army dont used "Starlink" ! Realy you sink they stupid ??? They made "Duga radar" and know how it work ))) Dont be a fool !

WW1 cavalry was used much the same as well. The British called it “fire brigades” I think. The horses were too vulnerable to attack at the front (usually) but they’re mobility was a huge asset in rear areas.

There is a difference between an air-mobile high readiness force and an air-deployable force.

It's not that the horses were too vulnerable, most cavalry attacks in ww1 had low casualties compaired to infantry units, even ones attacking foentlaly against machine guns and what not. The issue was they wanted to preserve their strength to counter or exploit breakthroughs because they were the only real mobile troops.

Not sure you can brag about Urgent Fury, putting up Rangers against two dozen cuban engineers and a handful of Grenadian security guards is like putting up the Yankees against your daughter's little league team...

@@mnk9073 So the Americans did it right then. Also didn't see any 'bragging' in @Richard Nicklin's post, just reporting what happened.

@@mnk9073 and it still went sideways

Some call the US armed forces a logistics organization with weapons, seems Ukraine has learned to do the same thing :P

​@@robbert-janmerk6783 Ukraine has also learned another lesson, where they are swapping captured equipment for supplies with nearby battalions. It's technically not logistically optimal, but it works.

@@PeterJavi Right. Market systems are not maximally optimal, but they’re pretty good.

@@PeterJavi Right. Market systems are not maximally optimal, but they’re pretty good.

I don't know how you make prediction as it is early days for drone technology.

@@julianshepherd2038 early days? Drones have been around for several decades already. Hell, there were very early drones used in WWII. Worn out bombers filled with explosives and flown remotely

@@julianshepherd2038 I'm pretty sure that to an extent, the MQ9 and similar platforms from the US already do that. It's not exactly an unknown challenge to give a computer GPS coords and it comes up with its own path to the target.

@@kirkstinson7316, the first ones were being tried out during WW1!!!

@@julianshepherd2038 You can count on fully autonomous drones being a reality. In that they will fly to and destroy the target without any radio communications that can be jammed. I'm not sure about the legalities of this, but it certainly should be doable.

In fairness, it seems that Bernhard edited out the bits that might have caused a tad more offense, which was nice of him.

Same with Discovery, both are a disgrace.

I think it was the MG-3

@@willw8011 Then there was the MG4*3, which was an MG42 converted to 7.62 NATO (the * overstamped the 2 on the receiver).

Normally true but the Russians are so corrupt and incompetent it won't happen, their morale is on the floor

@@treborsirrah7916, from your keyboard to the eyes of the gods...

The funny fails like Russians losing their tanks because they got arrested when they stopped for gas, and assault convoys halting because the lead truck got a flat tire from not being pumped up have been gone for months. Now it's just sad fails, like Ukrainian troops driving directly into gunbattles using civilian cars because their armor got blown up in the fall offensive, and Ukrainian troops get killed in shootouts with local cops protecting their people from them.

Yeah, very much a “The Bomber Will Always Get Through” vibe

Funny you mentioned that, it was the first thing I thought about. A more accurate description as was mentioned drones are a force multiplier.

Wait till the drones get legs and a brain oh wait

@@gamingrex2930 Theres a reason why remote controlled drones are currently the best option.

@@davidty2006 no they arent, its just because the entire collective planet doesnt have foolproof system that dont invite anti-radiation missiles into them high power lasers - still experimental autocanon AA - yeah and a mighty big radar emission EW systems - yeah like any competent air force will let you operate one for long when the EW and anti-drone systems are widely adopted by the biggest militaries, will automated war fighting drones with AI pilots become the main stay for war