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Thank you, Jonathan and Richard. I have been following the channel for about 4-5 years through the Jordan Peterson pathway and I am finally going to be baptized this Pascha. You helped me understand the Bible more fully and the Jay Dyer -sphere completed it with the theology part. After some point I just couldn't avoid anymore going to church I am truly grateful for all of you. God bless! Christ is risen!

These conversations between the two of you are helpful beyond what you know. Thank you for making them public, they both bind and scatter!! Very grateful gentlemen, thank you.

Rain-bow, the weapon used to send the flood! Wow, never thought of it that way!🤯

On the ritual in Genesis 15 (Abram cutting the animals in half), Fr Stephen de Young talks about this on Lord of Spirits in the Heavenly Man from Heaven episode and connects it to Pentecost in Exodus (I'm basically quoting but edited some bits from the transcript so they would be more fluid): "Covenants are issued by a high king, by a suzerain to a vassal, to a lesser king, but the verb isn’t “issued” or “signed” or “enacted” or “inaugurated,” but covenants are “cut” in Hebrew. You cut a covenant with someone. And this is what Abraham is doing, in the Ancient Near East, a relatively common oath-taking ritual involved in these kind of covenants. Normally it would be the vassal, it would be the weaker party, who would walk through the split animals. And what they’re saying when they do that, as a form of oath-taking, is: If I violate the terms of this covenant-because covenants came with blessings and curses attached, like you see at the end of the book of Deuteronomy, at the end of the Torah-and so, symbolic of those curses was these split animals. So it’s sort of: May I end up like these animals. By walking through it, then, the vassal is identifying himself with the animals, but there’s a sense of: That’s only going to happen to you if you break this covenant. You’re accepting the curses that will come to you if you violate it; you’re accepting the curses of the covenant. However, God inverts it, because it is the presence of God represented by this torch that passes through the halves. God is saying that if this covenant with him is broken, he will receive the curses. And what St. Paul will see in this, as he’s going to talk about in several of his epistles, is Christ becoming a curse for us. That it is in fact Christ who accepts the curse of the covenant that results from our disobedience. But so-going back to Exodus-this blood that’s thrown on the people, they’re taking a similar oath, and you see that in the text, because they say, “All the words the Lord has spoken we will do.” Then he sprinkles them with the blood, he reads it to them again, and they say, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do. We will be obedient.” When he’s throwing the blood on the people, he says, “Behold, the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you, in accordance with all these words.” He's saying: Look at the blood. The idea is they're accepting death if they break it."

Please somehow turn all this Universal History into a elementary-high school homeschool history curriculum! 😁. Pleeease!!!

I have heard someone say that at Pentecost when the Apostles received the Holy Spirit ,the 3 thousands lives Moses killed for their idolatry were restored when 3 thousands were babtized after St Peter preached .

I may have said 3 Esdras but I meant 4 Esdras. Which is also 2 Esdras by some reckonings... So you can see how easy it is to misspeak.

I have studied and written on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost for many years as it relates to the two calendars, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the events of the Passion Week. Yet today, I have learned several new things from Jonathan and Richard. Excellent discussion, men!

The separation and unity makes so much sense thank you you can even see it in marriage you separate ur self from your family inorder to mary with someone else and then they unite into ur family. Or you have to seperate ur self from ur self inorder to unite with God. Like you can apply this everywhere where u make a covenant with God. This is amazing

I love universal history... A self authenticating fractal image... Kind of sobering... The more you see the more responsibility. Glory to God for all things!

finding these universal history sessions super interesting. Wlidly diverse connections brought together with remarkable grace.thanks for this sharing.

The notion that we are living in the times of Babel, so to speak, is definitely something which has been on my mind for many months now. Thanks for finishing y'all's thoughts on this topic.

greatbtalk.. redeeming Babel, redeming the tower into lighthouse..

A real mind-blower. In the traditions I have been part of (independent fundamental Baptist -> Southern Baptist -> PCA Presbyterian), the apocryphal books were never banned. Neglected and dismissed, yes, but not banned. The most affirmation they received was from my late pastor R.C. Sproul, who said that Jean Calvin and the other early Reformers sometimes read from the Apocrypha in sermons, and that there were some helpful things found there as long as you remembered that they don’t carry the same weight as scripture. I certainly hadn’t ever read them before listening to you guys.

We gentile Christians still follow the Torah, however, there are commandments in the Torah directed only towards Israelites and others that are directed towards both Israelites and gentiles. That's the basis for the decision at the council of Jerusalem in Acts 15.

I’m glad this is the first of the videos on universal history that I’ve watched because it puts all of the others in context and centered on the biblical story.

So cool yall. And of course this is familiar to most, but in Whole Counsel i found Fr. Stephen’s exegesis on the Abraham covenant to be absolutely astounding and jaw dropping. God takes the subservient position by walking between the animals symbolically stating that should He break the covenant, may He be slain like these. And of course, in the new covenant, He incarnates to be slain, fulfilling the promise of that covenant and implementing the new. That was definitely a rewind and listen again moment. Love you!

I accidentally bought tickets to Jonathan’s event yesterday thinking it was online😂 It was money well spent but I hope i didn’t take someone’s seat. Oops.

I am always fascinated by the tower of Babel. Great video, looking forward to the Dante.

I read Acts for the first time last year and when I read about the event in the upper room, I likened it to the Tower of Babel event too. Just that I didn't see the descent of the Holy Spirit on the night of Pentecost as also having a unifying aspect. The book of Acts is a very traumatic story.

Love listening to Richard! (And Jonathan as a given) ❤

Looking forward to this

Wonderful episode! Thank you both!!

One of the best! Loved it all! ❤️💙

I feel so blessed to get to hear you two expound on these awesome themes 🫡

great topic....looking forward to this!

I'm here for this.

Always love your chats guys ❤

The rainbow is the weapon that destroys the world.... *cough ...Based*

Cheers! Thank you!

109:12 "You're gonna celebrate Pentecost whether or not you want to." 💯

I love this so much ❤

Thank you!

Richard throws shade at proddie weddings🤣

Great discussion that I'll be thinking about for months to come. I would love to see you discus of how this relates to the "abomination that causes desolation" in the end times spoken of in Danial and the gospels. This abomination seems to be a wrong sacrifice that leads to scattering and judgement at the ultimate scale.

history meaning story of the people makes so much sense i was wondering why some languages have history and story as the same word

The wind of Babel and the apostolic Pentacost: the same one that was blowing over the face of the deep in Genesis 1 (and, by the way, Day 4 is the first fruits of the plant kingdom, isn’t it? Followed by a blessing of fruitfulness for the animals); the same wind that dried the land as the flood receded (just prior to the Noahic covenant); the same wind that parted the Red Sea (just before the Siniatic covenant).

Richard, home run with this one. Thank you for an edifying and encouraging episode. And to Jonathan for hosting! Question: what about Nicodemus?

Tower of Babbel could be lighthouse on a shore to allow world domination by sea empire. Just saying.

25:45 there is a similar Midrash about Satan teaching this to Moses

Re 3 Esdras, if you are Anglican you also have it in your Bible (named 1 Esdras and part of the deuterocanon) along with the Russian Orthodox.

Indentured servitude was based on Jubilee years, 7 years of servitude and release was the Jubilee years. A Jubilee year was also when all debts would be forgiven.

Which version of the Book of Jubilees do you recommend?

15:15 I have NEVER heard of that rainbow thing. :) hilarious. I've heard the weapon point, but never the wedding ring.

Thanks

Can it be possible that celebration is a some sort of macro ritual????

Beautiful way to spend my Sunday afternoon. Blow, Spirit, blow. Going to hear a praise concert tonight. It all flows together.

49:13 Psyche & Orual “Till we have Faces”

About Abraham’s cutting rite, ANE scholars have shown that it was not an uncommon ritual at that time. It was used when a superior (a king or other powerful person) made a covenant with a lesser person or people. The thrust of it is, if I don’t keep this covenant with you, may I be cut asunder. It’s a symbolic representation of the consequences of covenant-breaking.

15:50 that's why both sets of tables are kept together.

Where does Christ quote himself in Jubilee?

Excellent and exciting talk, thanks for this new insights. We obviously should study the apocrypha more sedulously. Just one thought or idea regarding the motif of cutting of the animals in two and God walking through the divided parts when making the covenant with Abraham (risking to sound heretical :-) ) --- The motif of covenant closely connected with the motif of sleep, the danger of drunkenness and - maybe - incest (which in Abraham’s case is externalised in the parallel story of Lot.) The cutting and separation of the animal's flesh as ritual part of the covenant might also refer to the central meaning of separation of man (child) from his parents in order to become mature and responsible for a new (marital) covenant. The given "one-flesh-relation" of natural kinship is pointing towards 1. separation (from mother and father, but also from brother and sister) and to 2. dispersion; and thus to 3. multiplication - via becoming one flesh with the foreign or alien person of the other sex. One needs to be separated in order to be gathered in a new formation, quality or constitution. In Genesis 2 God himself is doing the first of all separations by opening the side of (the sleeping!) Adam - cutting - and creating a new, original female; God is protecting this vulnerable separation, and He himself is initiating and guaranteeing the new covenantal unity between Ish and Isha. Dispersion and multiplication is THE profound dynamics in all creational prospering. Every form of ‘recurvation’ (incest) is prohibited and forbidden - because it is in profound enmity and denial to existence and vitality as such. Similarly, we can read the story of Babel as the prohibition of any spiritual, cultural and territorial ‘recurvation’ or clotting of the human race/population, which is a genuin revolt against the command of dispersion in idolatrous self-sufficiency. The covenantal promise to Abraham is to grow into many nations (intended disparity); even future Israel will become many tribes and also being scattered into the nations - whereas the task of recollecting, gathering and uniting those is the preserve of the Messiah, the New Adam, who is both: Goel (kinsman) and Groom.

In Harold Ramis’ Year One, Abraham is framed out to be drunk when he gets the idea for circumcision, funny enough

So, Paul may have been referring to the Book of Jubilees when he said “Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. Galatians 3:19.”

The wind blows where it will.

I now know why I like you guys " I am Dumb" great realization, I live there everyday. Looking to move forward, you guys are helping in that process. Thank you.

You say Babel "is obviously Babylon". The first city in the world was Eridu and the Tower of Babel seems to be the unfinished ziggurat of Eridu

Hello! Thank you both so much! I have a question that’s really bugging me and maybe you can put me in the right direction! Somewhere in the video you mentioned that jubilees is referred to in either the bible or the New Testament. Could you refer me to a specific texts where jubilees is either alluded to or quoted? This would be super helpful! Thank you very much.

I don't think Ur was after Babel. I think they existed simultaneously. That is the timeline in the book of Jasher. Nimrod was king, Abraham was born in Ur; he was a Chaldean. At his birth, Nimrod's priests saw a sign in the sky after visiting the celebration of Abram's birth. It was an ominous sign that indicated his lineage would be the death of nimrod. They went and told Nimrod who then ordered Abram's father to kill Abraham. He offered over one of his servant's babies under the guise that it was Abraham and Abraham was raised in a cave until he was ten when he went and studied the priesthood under Shem and Noah. And it was Esau (Abraham's grandson) that killed Nimrod while he was hunting one day. He had to flee from nimrod's men which is why he was exhausted and hastily gave away his inheritance to Jacob for a bowl of soup. He thought he was going to die. It must have been something for him to kill Nimrod. Supposedly he was not only a giant but he wore the special skins God made for Adam and Eve after they left Eden. These skins were stolen out of the ark from noah, by ham and passed to cush, who passed them to nimrod. They gave him special powers.

At Pentecost, in Acts, God scatters them like seed to bear fruit for the harvest.

33:44 seen as the eventual "pure speech" in Zephaniah

It's going down!

Anyone else hoping The Way That The Wind Works drops that album, Pneuma, soon?

Just to be clear is "Third Esdras" that Richard talks about here also titled "1 Esdras" in English translations? ("First" and "Second" Esdras being titled "Ezra" and "Nehemiah" respectively.) Anyway just to confirm the Third Esdras being referred to here begins something like "Josiah kept the Passover...", right?

38:26 needs to be compared with Ismael's laughter in (Gen 21:9)

1:05:38 the story of Elijah reviving the son of the widow makes sense now. It was an exocism & inbreathing of the Holy Spirit

Is there Jonathan and others making a great holy movement? if they are, where is it? and how can you get in touch?

Hi Jonathan, I'm not writing to you about this posted video; just using it to send you a message that I hope you will receive:) (I might try Twitter as well with the same question) My question is, and excuse me if you've previously spoken to this. With modern science telling us that humans are something like 200,000 years old and having a common ancestor with the great ape; Does this align with your views somehow? Assuming you do not share this view is there a chance you are both correct, somehow?? I feel like the idea of carbon dating seems pretty believable but I also know that even right now, at this very moment our best and brightest scientist disagree on many things; like not just a slight disagreement, but have exact opposite views. It makes me wonder how we seem to know so much about what happened hundreds, thousands and tens of thousands of years ago but we can't explain the simplest things right now. Some examples that come to mind. We don't know what humans are supposed to eat. We don't know if vaccines work. We don't know if we are in the middle of global warming or global cooling. It's seems to silly to even say, but we know longer know what a woman is. It's crazy! Anyhow keep up the good work and I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Cam

I thought you meant that you were coming to norway at first when you said that you are going to hell several times. (Hell is a town in norway, means luck in norwegian)

This brings to my mind the idolatrous nature of manufactured glossolalia as practiced by some Christians. Just a random thought…

What’s the hidden meaning in hamstringing horses and breaking a heifer’s neck? Why does the almighty not even spare Canaanite children?

It does not say Genesis that the world will not be destroyed again. It specifies that the world will not be destroyed by the flooding of water again.

So symbolically, the pentecostal Church is the final form of protestant churches - it comes after the tower of babel that was the protestant traditions collapsed.

Apropos of nothing, we can see that rainbows are circular just with a mass amount of water droplets in the air - e.g. near a waterfall, with a sprinkler - and the sunlight from behind us. Very cool

Scrolling through UKposts I read “The End of Bagel” 😅

37:00+ What about Lot’s daughters?? Drunkenness and incest? Or is that too far from the mountain to count?

why do people blow out candles on there birthday?

God is seeding man at Pentecost like Lot seeded Israel and Jerusalem, that is the daughter's of Lot.

The scattering is a judgement, not a gift,… in any sense.

Idolatry doesn’t just result in an excess of separation, it also results in an excess of unity. That’s what all the incest is about. As well as the sodomy in Soddom and Gomorrah. The tower itself is an excess of unity which breeds disunity.

37:37 Well … it isn’t that much further until some drunkenness occurs, specifically Lot and his daughters.

It's to chase away the lord of the flies

Algorithm boost .

Shavouth Giving of the external Law, Pentecost Giving of the internal Law ie, Holy Spirit. The Presence of God, the holy Spirit, O. T. always external In the N.T. the Holy Spirit indwells in Believers

Could the drunkenness after the giving of the Law to Abraham be Lot's drunkenness?

Very interesting & informative & also 1. Matthew chapter 24 2. We are already in the tribulation 3. A certain person (we don’t say the name) will bring a False peace 4. Jesus is the Cause of Armageddon 5. True Christians will be extracted before that war 6. Jesus’ return is with vengeance

Were Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed on Pentecost too? ”and the Lord rained down sulfur upon Sodom and Gomorrah, FIRE from the Lord out of heaven.“ ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭19‬:‭24‬ ”Then there appeared to them tongues as of FIRE, which parted and came to rest on each one of them.“ ‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭3‬

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We should stop using post-Babylonian captivity definitions of God's titles (El, Elah and Elohim). If you use the NOG translation on Bible reading websites it shows God's (El's) titles. Use the pre-Babylonian captivity definitions.

He talks too fast and it‘s difficult to digest. Perhaps interesting for people who are already deep into these subjects. I‘m following Jonathan’s channel for quite some time, but this had a strange flavour.

The first pentecost on earth is when God breathes into Adam and makes him a living soul, the last? pentecost is when Jesus comes and breathes on us as a living spirit and makes us new creations.

Pentecostal Greek Orthodox... What ever... I will look at this 3 Edsra, & the Book of Jubilees, but I think the Apocrypha is more about the Purgatory/Greek reincarnation error. IMHO

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Hang on, Jesus spoke of a rich man waking up in torment because of his unrighteousness. Was this merely a story with a purpose?

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Eh, wrong, massively. How do Jews have this then, when we NEVER had Jubilees, ever? These ideas don't come from Jubilees, they are part of the tradition, taught by teachers. You people reveal your cards when you don't have the source lol

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ignore.....the existence of......ethiopian bible.....i see

Tower - πύργος (pyrgos) = برج (bourj) = burg - castle = град (grad) - city.