Yes, I know. That's why in video I say "check out history of ARM and RISC" etc. The main difference is RISC-V is an open-source, whereas ARM is a proprietary

@@TechnicallyUnsure Must have missed that... :|

Also hipster hype, which I’m down for.

x86 is also technically a RISC architecture...

@@r0galik No, x86 is what used to be called "CISC" for Complex Instruction Set Computing" and is contrasted with RISC architectures. The instruction set has become very expanded indeed today.

How does it compare to RP2040/rpi pico that has two ARM cores? It can easily be overclocked 2x. Another interesting comparison would be to rpi 2/3/4.

@@fredrikbergquist5734 Irrelevant. That wouldn't be apples to oranges, that would be whales to helicopters. The luckfox NPUs are the same as the Milk-V ones(.5-1 TOPS with the current crop of tiny Chinese RISC-V devices). If you only have 256 MB of memory, you don't need 228 TOPS(1 pass on a neural network takes memory bandwidth to feed the core which processes. The amount of work to apply the bandwidth and processing power to increases with the size of the model). And you definitely don't care about RPi 2/3/4 which run everything on a CPU core. You also don't care about a coral, because it's a peripheral for older/incapable machines, not a part of a gumstick SBC.

@@Grimmwoldds isn’t comparing Nvidia to MilkV like comparing Volkswagon to Ferrari? There must be processors that are closer to MilkV.

@@fredrikbergquist5734 Yes, there are quite a few(why I singled out the luckfox using ARM rockchips in the 64-256 MB RAM range). These NPUs are not a separate chip. They are a section of the CPU die. They provide just enough neural net processing power to do vision/categorization. So much like your cel phone(which do things like camera stabilization and noise filtering), these little gumsticks can inherently process video their camera produces through small neural nets to say "I see a person" or "this is a banana". Doesn't matter if they had 6 TOPS. They aren't going to be running anything that needs 6 TOPS. They don't have enough memory to do so, and you're going it wrong if you think llama 13B @ 16 bpw needs to run on a SBC the size of a stick of gum that's likely to end up in a hobbyist project with a screen, some buttons, and maybe a tiny GPIO board(sensor, audio board, etc) of some sort and some external ports. So in closing, the NPU is largely irrelevant except that it has one and it's sufficient for the system it's a part of. There is no comparison, it's not useful when evaluation is pass/fail.

the question though, is it sufficient to do something useful?

So true ... I confirm your check (Germany)

You are right, it's not "there" yet, but hopefully soon we will have some real competitive boards with RISC-V

Dell Wyse 3040 thin client Atom is 2GB Ram, 8GB EMMC on ebay in large numbers for 20 euros shipped. Maybe you have to supply a 5v PSU. Worth considering if you need x86. Runs ubuntu server with CasaOS really well.

@@nikthefix8918 Thanks for the tip, I'm definitely going to check it out!

@@TechnicallyUnsure There are similarly priced offerings from HP with more RAM and even expandable storage. But I think the Thin Client ranges from both manufacturers are largely discontinued so it's a case of grab them while you can - which implies that it's not sustainable but there's so much ex lease gear out there it'll probably be a niche market for a long time. Easier to get than a Pi4 and with better performance in my experience. They're all fanless and have TDP of somewhere around 15W on the outside.

Exactly and that's what I want to see! Hopefully soon.

That exists already

@@TheD3adlysin proof? 2 hours later: The proof has not been provided. The type of computer is not here yet. It would run Linux and Android, have 32GB of RAM and 8GB of VRAM and the CPU would clock at 4Ghz. It would need 2 slots for NvMe SSD storage and a 320GB ssd sata boot drive.

i got the one without eMMC and i still don't understand why i did that. ;-)

podman instead of docker is better, because it is FOSS, specially podman desktop companion vs portainer CE

@@mitcoes Good points. I just haven't tried to move to podman yet. Nothing is broke, so no reason to fix it at the moment.

100% agree!

I hear you, but this one seems to be $9.99 and I'm not sure about shipping costs, I paid the premium for shipping as I wanted to get my hands on it ASAP, but just FYI, I bought it from here arace.tech/products/milkv-duo-s

I bought a few of the other model they had 6 months ago and if you buy directly from milkv they are very cheap. I spent about 60$ for 5 boards. It's nice they now have a wifi module

@@newmonengineering How do you program them, is it with Arduino IDE or MS VS? Or do you run Linux and do it from a console?

@@fredrikbergquist5734 these milk V boards run RTOS or Linux on the board. This means that you can SSH into the board and run any linux command. I have successfully run Python scripts on the version I have without issue. You can blink the LED with Python. But more importantly, the ones I have I paid $3 more for the camera attachment. So I can use Python to stream the camera over the network. It is basically a cheap IP camera running Python.

@@fredrikbergquist5734 Also the DUO board supports pinmux so you can use the pins on it, I have not tried the new board in this video yet

Sure

arace.tech/products/milkv-duo-s

Google: The minimum RAM requirement for Kali Linux is 2 GB. But to run Kali efficiently and perform various tasks simultaneously, having 4 GB or more RAM is always recommended.

Yes, earlier versions have official support and documentation, not this particular board (yet)

Yep, there was (at the time of recording the video) absolutely no documentation whatsoever related to the gpio. As I said in the video, I didn't have the time to brute force pins one by one or try other methods. Even the vendor doesn't seem to take care of that after months (since the github release date for first image), so if vendor haven't figured it out yet, I don't think I can in a timely manner

Yes, I know. That's why in video I say "check out history of ARM and RISC" etc. The main difference is RISC-V is an open-source, whereas ARM is a proprietary

Sure, I bought it from here, with no options selected/added, it's $9.99 arace.tech/products/milkv-duo-s

@@TechnicallyUnsure Great, thanks. They really are $9.99. I might have get one.

Shipping to USA is US$12, which makes the base version $22, and the eMMC one $30.

Sorry about that, tried to address that issue in the videos I made after this one

I totally hear you, its been around 16 days since I recorded this video and I just checked, still no GPIO, unfortunately... Not sure when they'll figure it out and fix it

Such a cheap device for mvp development and more support for Linux, it’s worth the bloat if there even is any bloat. There’s enough stripped versions of Linux like Firecracker to be quick and lite.

$ and power