No, Palmer analysis is kinda biased everytime imo

Because Palmer’s analysis is unbiased and objective, and is far more credible than fans from both sides just blindly blaming the other driver just for the sake of it.

@@PhO3NiX96 he literally gives sensible reasons every time

One of the things I was actually hoping for is that we would get to see the traces and see Max hitting the brake.

@@phoenix1279 Oh it's far more credible than other random peeps giving opinions without even knowing the rules yes. Being less biased doesn't mean it's not biased at all

But they do. Everytime Hamilton goes against the rules they pretend it didn't happen.

Herr K When did they do that then

@@archiecroft7114 literally later in the same race when Hamilton pushed Max completely off turn 27 when the maFIA told max to give up 1st, _again_

@@herrk5651 lol, right, look at what penalty ham got in spa 2008, rules don't apply to max

Every race different stwards

Full episode on F1TV

@@lewisrundle2173 sad, Bernie we (the purist fans) miss you

@@s1003232 yup bernie would do anything to prevent Schumacher record tie or pass by Hamilton.

Not really it’s an open and shut case tbh

"partly" is an understatement

What about Silverstone? That could have ended badly, with such messy application of the rules something similar is definitely going to happen soon

We forgot about Silverstone already then.

All started with Silverstone, where an accident did happen. I think that triggered something in verstappen. To be fair, if an accident does happen in the final race, he can now just point back to the silverstone incident and bring the same "consequence should not affect the severity of the punishment" argument to the table.

@@a7G-82r Oh it started well before Silverstone. The difference there was Hamilton decided he wasn't going to keep taking avoiding action. When you get 2 drivers so closely matched it's always going to get feisty and when they are from different teams even more so. I just hope no-one gets killed/seriously injured. If they do the FIA will be to a large extent to blame for tolerating some of the antics going on. Having said all that it's what has made this such an exciting season.

perfect meme content

i started watching F1 last year after many years so i didn't know who he was. he's always been pretty calm...then he did that and i was shocked lol

actually I'd argue Toto pointing aggressively at the camera man in Brazil as highlight of the year....or Toto telling Hamilton to "F***K them all".

Hulk smashhhhhh

Indeed, Dacha44 stuff. I also liked the elegant way in which the headphone slowly straightened in the air, were the Slowmo guys there to record it?

So true, I’ve been waiting for it for two days.

Brit aswell. Irrelevant.

@@bjrnchrstn Every Dutch comment is irrelevant then

@@bjrnchrstn better to listen to what he had to say? He was very even handed but echos an increasing number of people in the sport saying max is outside of the rules

@@antonycraggs4041 me too

This time he entered the circuit at a dangerous spot, he should have entered later on after the turn. Look how Ocon entered when he was also wide. Thats why he got the penalty

It shouldn't have been allowed at Brazil. No surprise Red Bull pushed the limits even further after they got away with it there.

The decision has been made to hail a new champion. Tons of money to be made...

Max was even brazen enough to say that what he did in Brazil was fine and he didn’t understand why he was penalized for it here. LOL

@@michaelw6277, exactly.

And that was before a rule existed about waiting for one corner before being able to re-pass!

Now it's clear why that contact happened - Lewis didn't want Max to get a post-race 25-second penalty the same way he got it in Spa. What a considerate sportsmanship!

@@Shifftee Spa was 25 seconds because that was the smallest penalty at the time

Spa shouldn't have been a penalty because the rule was made up after the fact.

RB fans will still insist FIA is pro Hamilton over Verstappen. After just the last two races, any clear headed person can tell who they want to win. Hint: who took the lead after the delayed red flag? When FIA turned a blind eye on the infamous “Verstappen defence” in Brazil and Michael Masi doing Verstappen’s offensive over taking in Saudi Arabia….Man, Verstappen doesn’t deserve to win when his own offense repertoire lately consists of diving inside and run people off track.

What does Kimi even have do to with the video?

Gio cries in the background...

@@phoenix1279 first time?

FOR WHAT!?

Great idea. This will be, almost certainly, Kimi's last race so let's give him a bit of a send-off!!

@@jacejohnson7113 No 2 incidents are exactly the same, so its justifiable for stewards to just give whatever penalty they feel like giving that day then? There have been "let them race" and penalties given out for similar incidents. What constitutes "let them race" and what constitutes a punishable offence? That is the gray area that the stewards need to explain. No two incidents are the exact same, but you can take reference from similar incidents. If the penalty is different from the reference incident, then of course they need to be able to explain what is the difference and why this incident warrants a heavier/lighter penalty

I agree on this one. When rules are introduced, they must be applied to everybody or nobody, but not to somebody and they must be applied at all times. What about the shenanigans from Mercedes with maintaining distance behind the safety car (both Bottas and Hamilton), or Hamilton getting a different penalty for not slowing down with double yellow flags? I guess it would help to have the same stewards at every race AND select them based on a proven record of neutrality. Please get rid of Garry Connelly since he's known to punish Verstappen when he sees the opportunity, he's too biased. And maybe use a bit more gravel instead of tarmacked runoff areas... To be clear, neither Red Bull or Mercedes are 'Saints' here. But I don't blame them if they see some rules can be bent and others can be broken and getting away with it. That's human nature, I'd have the same...

Exactly, the 10 second penalty never would've happened if they had just told the teams (at the same time) that max needed to give the place back. They created the miscommunication, so don't give penalties when one driver thinks that the other knows something that they don't. Lewis probably assumed that Max's slowing was chiefly strategic, which led him to be more reluctant to pass. Max thought that lewis wasn't doing what he had been told to do, which made him frustrated that he was following the rules, and Lewis wasn't. Basically the FIA f'd it up, and should take responsibility upon themselves

They can't even decide on consistent track limits never mind adjudicate consistently on Max's indiscretions.

You realise michael massi isnt a stward right? He doesnt decide who gets penalised or not

They actually would because same car

@@fefe2222 ?

@@arindamsaha7062 Im saying he needs track position fighting lewis because he doesnt have the car to fight the merc

Cool quote

@@fefe2222 you’re one of those blind Max fans tbh. Your first comment makes 0 sense at all, and to drag you back to reality, this year Redbull’s performance has been significantly shown it’s alongside the Mercs due to regulation changes applied to this year slowing down Mercedes’s speed. Max was over a tenth up in his final quali lap, he only lost pole because he worked those tyres too hard and he lost grip on his rear tyre. And you’re saying “Oh look Max had a slower car”. Grow up please

There is no rules against that in the rule book tho.

@@PhO3NiX96 There's no rule that says they can give the place back at all.

Palmer should be a steward

@@jbaidley it's my understanding that they have the option to give the place back or the decision goes to the stewards? That is why most of the time they give the place up, cause it's easier and better than getting what is mostly going to be a 5s penalty. The FIA's rules and lack of consistency are being exposed now.

Let's also not forget the FIA couldn't handle the insane fast pitstops from RB. So they set it to 2seconds minimum.... To ensure safety........

Bias, these days, is anything people don't agree with... sadly.

@@har234908234 and it is not biased as long as you agree.

@@har234908234 how anyone can defend max after that. It's amazing how much people will look past to support their driver.

@@tedm6894 most of Max fans are F12021 online and mario kart players. raming, cutting corners and bandwagon is all they know. no facts needs to be pointed out in any issue and they will mix every topic together without knowing an ounce of what rules are. if it works in F12021 online, then F1 real life is the same.

@@kagaogre375 lool😂.. you are right though

i think that's too severe. what if you're pushed into the runoff and you gain a position? the spirit of the law is clear to everyone. the immediate overtake is unsportsmanlike and we just need the stewards to immediately instruct drivers to swap

@@Kevinschart Hamilton clearly braked way too late after being handed the position tho. Should Max be forced to go even slower to allow for Hamilton's mistake after giving the position back? Max had to slow down to give it to Hamilton in the first place. That overtake should not have been so easy.

@@Jam-hj1ht You are clearly biased. You gave yourself away with the names and are seeing Verstappen as innocent because you like him.

Best one so far, that makes a lot more sense

@Creative Drone Works and with that you will put following cars to a constant disadvantage. DRS was implemented to compensate the timeloss caused by following a car around the corners. If you want to abolish DRS, you will have to also reduce car's dependency on the aerodynamics in the corners.

I don't think there is a specific rule against it.... Although there is also no rule that says you can't directly re overtake after giving up a position The FIA are making it up as they go and are a bunch of clowns

It isn't against the rules. The FIA ruined this race.

Unfortunately that is playing within the rules

@@squeakybunny2776 There is a rule that says you can't directly re overtake after giving up a position, Hamilton did that in Spa 2008 and so F1 introduced the rule.

Bottas was within the delta time so it was 100% within the rules. Whether it *should* be allowed is a different question

15 minute penalty!

Five seconds is a YOKE!

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5 months unsubscribe penalty!

@@junsengjs 😂😂😂😂😂😆

how about max stops racing like a total buffoon, which in turn won’t put the stewards in a position to decide the race on a penalty- that kid is to blame, he can’t keep it clean, then cries when he is penalised. It’s really the most bizarre garbage I’ve seen in many years.

yeah, kinda agree, however its much easier to make descisions during a NFL game as there are only 2 teams involved and the game can be paused to check the incident and for the referees to decide, which is not possible in motorsport most of the time.

@@DemitechHD totally agree. That was not the best example for comparison. However, it still got my point across, nonetheless.

Well said. As a former referee (of snooker & many years ago, Association Football (aka Soccer)), I believe rules should be well defined & strictly enforced. The drivers won't break them very often if they know they will get punished hard for doing so.

@@deezelkane funny as everybody praises senna but bashes max. They are essentially the same type of drivers

Or just enforce the rules

Verstappen would love the gravel traps, because, if they both fail to finish, Verstappen wins the title.

Yes gravel and grass

@mabn2012 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@mabn2012 NutCase deserves to be banned from the sport.

He just needs to do it a bit more classy, like the mercs do it all the time they aren't the fastest car, and no problem.

But there in lies the issue, as someone pointed out to me: even if Max is disqualified from the race after a hypothetical 'crash out' with Lewis, he still takes the WDC as he would have 9 wins to Lewis' 8. In this scenario, he would have to be disqualified from the entire *championship* to not come out on top (reputational damage notwithstanding).

You say that as if Michael Schumacher never happened. We've been here before.

@@Cailus3542 Fair point, but would it be fair to say that F1 has a larger, more well connected audience now? That might change the magnitude of any backlash somewhat.

@@legoseller4496 You are too innocent... About Backlash no team care... It will be forgotten in coming year.. like everyone forgot about maclaren spygate

Or Schumacher vs. Villeneuve.

If Max shoots of Lewis he must be disqualified from the Campionship.

@@remotettamanti7275 As was the case with aforementioned Schumacher vs. Villeneuve incident, that would depend on whether the FIA will find Max causing the crash deliberately. It's one thing to accidently overshoot the corner and crash while defending/attacking, but deliberately going for a crash is something else entirely.

I fully expect Max to outright ram him in the race. Zero doubt in my mind. He'll lock up and go right in to the side of him, then claim it was simply an error.

Nailed on. If not max into lewis it'll be perez or an Alpha Tauri to make it less obvious

That is a great idea, actually.

And they could do it on the fly too like "after turn 14 you need to give the position back or there going to be a time penalty" etc

it's unnecessary. the driver's know the spirit of the rule. the viewers understand it as well.

I’d argue that anywhere in the lap is fine but any subsequent DRS zone within that lap does not count for the car that has given its place up

I don't think a specific zone is needed, just a specific wording in the rules for how to do it. Perhaps something about the car that has given the position back must remain behind for something like "a sequence of corners" or one sector, within reason (as in, the car in front can't suddenly go really slowly and hold the guy up). Or, an amount of time - 10 or 20 seconds say, before you may attempt to repass.

Or you simply give the f place back Cheaters always find a way

@@mihai358 How about not allowed to overtake for a whole lap? If you do, drive through penalty.

just make it simple, an attempt of an overtake should be only made 5 turns after giving a place back. if not instant 5 second penalty, a driver is not supposed to be overtaking off track anyway, so giving them a chance to return the place is already very lenient.

How long do they get to give it back and how hard are they allowed to make the take-back?

@@mihai358 Looked to me like he was trying his damnedest to give it back. Lewis didn't want it.

This. I'm tired of listening to DC's tripe. Outside of his Red Bull bias I do actually like the guy.

@@flash276 exactly it's always off hearing from the likes of DC and Hill. A neutral view point makes listening much more engrossing

Lel. None of these British commentators are “neutral”.

@@siddharthsharma25 Palmer usually gives a more technical analysis. So far he hasn't shown much bias. So that makes him neutral regardless of his nationality

@@phoenix2225 "Max is happy to crash with Lewis": Jolyon Palmer on incidents between Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen. Seems like he is biased imo. No driver is “happy” to crash into someone else at such high speeds.

a full lap might be to much but certainly a sector or the next sector (which ever DRS is next) is prohibited. The whole incident makes me as how long do they have to give the place for, 1 corner or is it more?

@@MrSigmaDesign that is a valid point but could be argued from both sides! On one hand if the position gained improperly is egregious enough to demand it be returned then perhaps a full lap without DRS is warranted. On the other hand the desire to “let them race” could be utilized to argue that only the next DRS zone be affected. Either way this would help eliminate the root cause of the incident

Just have a rule that you can't repass before the next two turns. Free to race thereafter

bad idea, that makes a racelead's decision to give a place back way more impactfull. The new lead can creat a gap very quickly.

But there's already the rule that whoever is giving back the position must wait at least 2 turns before trying to get it back. It's in the FIA 2021 sporting regulations.

Ham needs to be smart. Let the guy pass, and try the undertake. I’m sure he will have the pace.

Valtteri will be fast again this weekend. he should be in the mix.

For sure he will do, but anyhow Max will lead the whole race.

Revenge of the attack of LH on Max Verstappen!

He won't be able to catch up because of car difference

Ill make you a deal, Ill have you and on P2 and Ill make the analysis "take it or leave it"

Nah... To busy reading E-mails from Toto

@@ForzaPolska06 either that or he’s to busy swimming in Mercedes money

@@basholtman4103 the 50,000 from Max?

@@basholtman4103 Masi saved the race for Redbull (and prolonged the championship battle). If he didn't make the deal, Max would've gotten a penalty from the stewards, likely stop/go but even if it's just a time penalty, it would still drop him to the back of the grid because of the restart. Would have been a very anti-climatic way to sway the championship battle.

lol! so does mine.

There's just one slight difference in my opinion. Lewis' brake test whine was actually Max slowing down even further so as to not cross the DRS detection zone earlier than Lewis and not a brake test. He must have felt the line closing in and with Lewis clinging to his gearbox he didn't want to commit the error of crossing first. Imagine two people wanting to be last to an imaginary line. The one in the front will always have to slow down more than the one behind. I still think this wasn't a penalty on Max and perhaps a penalty on Lewis/Merc for miscommunication. Anyways now that the championship has been decided, it is all going to be forgotten.

@@1000aquaboy The FIA didn't inform Mercedes that they would be given the place back. The miscommunication was on their part.

May you have a full recovery

And if Lewis had just passed him non of this would have happened. I am not pleased the Max put in the breaks but Lewis is not 100 innocent in this. He played a part to cause this incident.

@@Feralvids Errr... Lewis was trying to AVOID the crash that the other car caused (confirmed by evidence). No?

Messing up his rear end?

Exactly, none at all. Lewis has to finish ever race to have any chance of winning the championship so can't afford any contact, but as we have seen already, Max can afford to take both Lewis and himself out, or damage Lewis's wing so he needs to replace it or can't compete.

None.

@@sammontano322 that's silly...entirely too risky to even fathom doing something that dumb.

@@Kevinschart yeah but both drivers have been kind of silly 😜

Let me give you the regular reminder that Hamilton pushed Verstappen of the track at Silverstone and Max could have died with a bit of bad luck. Also, the safety car in Belgium save d Hamilton from the embarassment of finishing behind Russsel that race and lose even more points to Max. Enjoy!

@@madalinbpopa you guys need to stop with that. Max was equally, if not more to blame at Silverstone . And let's not forget max riding his car over Lewis's head and actually almost, if not for the halo, killing him. Max is and has always been a dangerous driver

@@madalinbpopa and with a little bit of brain Max could've easily avoided the crash and get p2 if not p1 during the rest of the race...he choose not to,and the rest is history!a bitter sweet taste of his own driving style! It was actually about time Lewis showed the kid some elbows! Get in there Lewis! The cool head wins!

Too bad Hamilton can't set a faste lap time in the rain and he almost got beat by Russel in a WILLIAMS. George is gonna be a problem next year and he should regret letting Bottas go.

@@madalinbpopa Max cut into Lewis

What about Hamilton bumping Ocon off the track?

@@birddogz545 Lewis was on the racing line, Ocon went outside, max went outside, then both of them squeezed Lewis and nearly snapped his front wing. Ocon is lucky he didn't get a penalty, but he didn't overtake.

@@birddogz545 because max made a dive down the inside...where do you want lewis to go? Vanish into thin air

@@birddogz545 bruh what? He must be blind enough to do that, i mean he can yeet verstappen on his left side if he wants to 🤣

Both occasion were within the rules

They miss everything and leave it to Ant to find what he can in the shortest of time

They're useless honestly

It was plainly obvious. I'll bet DiResta could look at the actual telemetry and still find a way to blame Hamilton. Hill called it right, then backed off? An F1 champion backing down to social pressure. The Max that's in the car doing this stuff seems to be different to the Max out of it. I actually like the Max out of the car and would love him to win, but his actions are deplorable and everyone is standing on the fence. I don't rate Schumacher as the greatest of all time (Fangio IMO or even Surtees because he did it on bikes too) because I watched his fiasco and even turned away from F1 for a few years.

They did not "miss" it. They have their orders...

When you are watching/commentating live you miss/misread a lot of information. I picked up on the engine sound after I rewatched it, but live I totally missed it.

Yes for dangerous driving on track and cancel his licence for this year

And for jus 0.2mm Lewis was disqualified. For risking a drivers life just 10 s penalty...ring any bells?? Micheal massy knew if stewards handle the case it would have been a pure 10 s penalty for max thats why give immediately jumped over and gave the offer to redbull

The brake test was very questionable but it's not like he tried to crash Lewis out. Max just became desperate trying to force Lewis to be ahead at the DRS so he braked but Lewis was just behind him so they crashed

@@sudhikrish9785 throw away your tin foil hat please. The world is a lot nicer when you do

I think if Max had not been able to persuade the stewards it was not intentional then he would have been. It is a supremely dangerous thing to do.

Defo a better idea but the position isn’t easy no matter who is in charge!

Maximum penalty for alonso is his first decision

But he doesn't know YOU CANNOT CUT THE CHICKEN

If Palmer was to take Masi's job, Palmer will give Alonso a YOKE of a penalty

I don't think you understand the role of the race director.

I disagree

max got so far in this seoson by pure talent, it's just the stupidly fast mercedes that's spoiling it, so i understand the mentality

I think Toto got into Christians head, if RB do loose out this season it will probably be down to the red mist.

I'd add his father as well as team leadership. Max is obviously not handling the stress which is why the seven times world champion is winning these encounters.

max is the most childish driver

I love PDR, but only for his voice. He is clearly biased. If you had similar views on the panel no one would watch. There has to be a villan

@@rozelynjenkins1811 Yeah I get you. I just wish he wasn't so biased. Like its clear he has a complete disliking for Hamilton. He doesn't even try😂

@@iiIeuannHDx in all fairness to sky F1, they have Damon Hill who is on the opposite end of the spectrum.. The only one's that really seem neutral to me are Martin Brundle and Karun Chandok. But yes, I'd take J palmer over PDR any day

Exactly. If people don't want penalties to decide the championship, why even have white lines and track limits on a track? People are just so... i don't even wanna say it

There is no fair racing between Lewis and Max tho. Lewis is gonna run him off any chance he gets, for example after Max gave the position back the 2nd time. Max is gonna do the same just a little more boldly. Expect a bare knuckle fight in Abu Dhabi. Cause the gloves are definitely off.

We all want some interesting races but at the same it has to be within rules, if any driver is willing to break the rules he should be penalized, there should be consequences. Allowing them sets very bad precedents that can hurt the esteem of sport in the long run. FIA needs to have better control in general.

aged well 💀

@ 2005StangMan The rule was introduced and applied immediately after the Kimi incident in Spa 2008. Hence Lewis being demoted two places.

@@Cholseyroyal as I said. When Lewis did it the rule didn’t exist. They made it up after the race and applied it retroactively which is one of the most ridiculous things in the history of the sport.

Let's not forget McLaren asking if it was OK and being told they were in the clear

They literally had to change the law of the game to stop future poor behaviour

@@2005StangMan it's definitely dumb that he got penalised for a rule that wasn't even in place at the time But the move should definitely not be allowed. What's the point of giving the place back when you can immediately take it back again?

It's because those situations were a little bit different - one is racing and going off track, the other one is pushing some off who is already giving you a place, track space and letting to be passed

@@Johnny_OSG I think everyone know what he's been doing since early in the season. You don't "miss the corner" 20 times and all so happen to be when he's next to Hamilton. In most if not all cases he never locks a brake either... Fully in control of what he's doing. Let's hope he fails yet again to take Lewis out and mess his own race up again

@@Icepyr0 I hope LH sends MV to a barrier with the same exact force as in Copse.

Hamilton in Jeddah was more deliberate, Max in Brazil is more that he went too fast and hit the break too late, still wrong, similar to Lewis in Silverstone, but this one is different than the other two.

@@aggnal2892 No man it is a shame that you expect such thing from the race, you must repent for that cause we do not want these behaviors in this F1.

Not really best thing for sport is to have someone else as champion

@@jjss1161 Of course, but then the person needs to be a better racer. Max is excellent but not sure if he is a superior racer compared to Hamilton. By the way, what does "the best thing for sport" mean? Usually, that means may the best person win, not sure that is the case anymore. The way Max performs, his transgressions, are certainly not the best thing for the sport.

Hopefully kimi P1, Lewis P2 and making some donuts together

Yup, would love to see that

@@jjss1161 Disagree, because Max is, ya know...insane. And a cheater.

The solution is to give the place back on a pre determined part of the track, after a DRS detection on the next straight and staying behind the car you gave the place to until after the next corner.

Next lap is doable, but your team needs to check if it might have been a kinda clean move..

@@rqcg I thought there was a 2 corner rule?

You are right. It should be turn 1 in most cases

I thought the rule was you cannot pass again for 2 corners or something, is that not correct? Just having a rule where you need to stay behind for a bit solves this problem completely.

@@spencergough81 it only solves it until there is a case where it doesn't. And adding rules to make the existing rules work is what makes the rules so complicated. In cases like this, the stewards should just use the spirit and not the letter of the rules and it should be obvious to the drivers that they will. Everything that is specified beyond that will be exploited and will tie the hands of the stewards.

Yeah

it seems to me that that DRS 'belongs' to Max either way because if a) he overtook Lewis illegally and gave the place back earlier as he should've, he'd get the DRS. and b) if he didn't overtake illegally, he'd be behind Lewis anyway

@@Boostmeister69 Yes, but he wouldn't be WITHIN drs at the time. He only gets it here by swapping positions literally at the line. Just like if he swapped it half a lap ago, sure he would be the car behind that would benefit from drs, but he just wouldn't be within the window to use it. The only way to do this fairly is to just make a blanket rule that you cannot switch at DRS lines, or that you cannot use DRS on the lap that you do. Without that, Hamilton is just correct to slow and refuse being giving the position in a manipulated condition that makes it very easy for Verstappen to take back moments later.

me2

Because he was already penalized with +5sec. No need to give back the position anymore.

@@amazingchicken9196 that has nothing to do with my question...

@@ColdHeritage They don't want to influence the championship battle cause it might upset the fans. Which is why they also ended up giving Max just a 10s penalty after the race for the break checking incident. Normally that would've been a much harsher penalty but it ended up changing nothing.

Hamilton received a 25-second penalty, not 20-seconds. Just a little correction.

@@AAO98 Also they have changed how they handle things. Back then it was just time penalties. Nothing went on their super license. Now it's usually a time penalty and points.

Why should he? Drivers with blue flags dont always go off racing line.

No drivers giving a place back usually do not. (no rule for that at least)

@@bn880 Exactly! They just drive predictably and don't defend. Doing otherwise would be asking for an incident.

@@Boostmeister69 true. they slow down, drive predictable and its no issue if someone behind them is racing.

Bottas also did it in Monaco 2019, and then he and Verstappen came alongside in the pits and Verstappen got a penalty, haha

Perez was doing the same in Brazil and didn’t get a penalty so it was consistent

There’s a speed minimum and maximum during VSC, Bottas was going within those limits. It’s simple as that.

It's withing the regulations, there war no erratic breaking involved. And Bottas slowed down so they would not create traffic in the Mercedes box as Lewis and Bottas were called in the same time, not to slowing down Verstappen. Makes sense to slow down within the regulations to avoid having to wait and loose more time at the box.

The maFIA red flagged the race after both mercedes drivers pitted. Giving Verstappen a free tire change and first place. Why are crying?

the FIA knows Hamilton cant outdrive Verstappen so they fudge it.

What are your taking about? Max would consistently pull a gap in the first sector then drop to just over a second by the time of the final DRS detection zone. It was the VSC that actually made the overtake possible in the end.

@@DavidCP524 without vsc max's tyres would fall off even faster. so in the end it wouldn't have made any difference. this is mercedes race win. on to the title decider abu dhabi

At 1:16 you can see there's no indication of VSC on the track side light board so that's very easy to check. Very unnecessary to stay that close to the front car in my opinion. You don't even do that with road cars. And you coach for driving will tell alwasy keep a safe distance even when overtaking.

Max was only able to build a gap in the first sector, when a VSC was places during the first sector of a lap, that is when Lewis was able ro be close enough for DRS range and overtake

@@zizi393 Wrong, Verstappen had cuts in his tires, so he had to play it safe. I reckon he had a chance.

Was he disqualified after the race? I remember him finishing that race. The disqualification came after the flag. Max gave back the position on track

That move Lewis made at spa there also wasn’t a rule saying he could not do that, they came up with it afterwards and then made him the example by slapping a huge penalty on him

I think because he did eventually give it back

Hamilton was given a 25sec penalty post race. Which was a bit OTT because KR didn't even finish the race.

You are comparing Apples and Oranges. In Spa there was no DRS, here there was DRS. Its like comparing My Tubelight to the Moonlight. Very different my friend, very different.

Maybe they will use that wing next race too :)

Being on the hardest Pirelli tire they have available to F1, on a low wear circuit like Jeddah, it’s fuel onboard that’s gonna be the biggest factor for his lap times. Everyone else on mediums wore before fuel loads got low enough, and I believe Alonso didn’t go for fastest lap after they pitted for sorts

well, it's a fast circuit and they where getting rid of fuel weight so it's natural that the drivers do faster laps as the race goes on

Lewis did mentioned this in 1 of the post race interview that he had to take a lot of risk to pull that one off. The interviewer did ask questions about the fastest lap.

@@DragonX2X7 no doubt, im just pointing a fact, not saying lewis didntdo a miracle there lol

If found guilty of deliberately crashing RB would be penalized severely. RB is not Mercedes, they wont get away with it.

If verstappen causes a crash in Abu Dhabi he will recive a dsq from the season I am sure of it

Senna v Prost was a thing. Unless they're really shameless, FIA won't let it happen again.

@@manat31790 I mean, he's probably not going to make it obvious. But if he finds himself inside on a fast turn and gets a bit of understeer and runs hamilton off track, he'd be fine. The FIA have already set the precedent on those kinds of racing incidents.

He's didn't know he was giving it back.. but giving the place back and trying to pass right back is not allowed... also.. brake testing.. and waiting over 6 laps to get there will get you a penalty everytime.

I think if the driver don't get the position back for any reason you just get a +5 seconds time penalty in any case

Excellent point. The process slows both drivers significantly.

Since Lewis was never informed until they crashed, it doesn't really matter But the FIA will most likely force the driver behind to overtake later on

Raphael all the drivers are racing for 1st. An invitation to pass is unnecessary.

giving the place back altogether.. because they had already been given a 5 second penalty

@@iwill6002 Ah okay, that makes sense. Thanks

@@rhtranscriptions9665 in the end didnt make much difference as Verstappens tires fall off a cliff literally the lap after. Hamilton probably would have passed him on the straight fairly easily

There was no brake test according to the telemetry and also they were behind the SC..Look it up

Max was trying to be clever, give the place before the DRS zone but slow Lewis down enough that he couldn’t go past full throttle. The way he initially slows in the middle of the track is by design. If he lifts off and Lewis goes past at racing speed the DRS line is irrelevant because Lewis would probably gain a second gap in 100m due to the speed differential.

The penalty was for an extra break check that max did. The stewards have confirmed that they are aware of the reasons for Lewis slowing down. They gave the penalty for a break check which max did while slowing down, and it was that which caused the collision

@@thomasjohan3138 *Brake check.. None of them could catch a break. :P

@@thomasjohan3138 Its a 60-40 situation. Both are to blame but the "erradic breaking" is the reason Max is more at fault than lewis... Break check is a bit much since there was no huge change in decelleration. The collision occured because Hamilton actually decided to pass right in that moment and actually hit the throttle (proven by the data). One breaked and one accelerated -> collision.

Shows Lewis learning how to better deal with Max.

For a toddler

It’s called an overtake. It’s what happened prior to Hamilton’s signature out dragging of your opponent on the straight.

he will crash trying to be a hero

@@DavidCP524 the proper way to overtake is to be close enough on the straight to be able to slipstream and pull alongside your rival in the following braking zone, out position/out brake them, and carry that advantage through the corner, with each leaving room for the other. This diving off the track nonsense is not proper wheel to wheel combat, its rental go-kart BS. Max is better than this.

@@anthonyjenkins8562 Max only dive bombed Lewis after Lewis illegally left him sitting on the grid to get a tyre advantage. I think it was justified. The second time Max looked like he was going to make the corner until Lewis made contact which caused him to oversteer and go off track. Brazil was over the line but Mercedes weren’t exactly playing fair with their car.

@@DavidCP524 if what Lewis did was illegal, he would have been penalized. But, it wasn’t.

even mazapin can win in that mercedes car. seriously.

Max’s car was damaged after the collision

@@srinathshettigar379 true story...

yea it mainly came down to the tires and wrong RB decision. Max tire was not damages if you listen to the radio, they say it's all fine.

@@DariusCarv Where?

Like silverstone? Lewis ran wide and pushed max off into the barrier. Max could have died there.

I thought it was one (1) corner.

Or have to do it after the DRS activation zone

Or just have a designated "Return Track Position" zone. You do it there and nowhere else. The offending driver has to give the position back when he gets there by simply slowing down. The driver getting the position back HAS to take the position there when presented the opportunity, or else it is interpreted as him forfeiting the position.

I heard on the radio saying that last time this happened was 50 years ago

1974

Yeah no surprise if the fia does everything to make that happen. Fia should get the trophy, they decided the championship

FIA make it ridiculous

place the blame where it belongs. max was the primary knucklehead by a longshot

There will not be a clean reach because FIA have rewarded Max's behavior since he entered F1.

If neither finish the final race, Verstappen wins the championship. What are the chances Hamilton is crashed out of the race? After what I've seen, I'm unfortunately expecting a situation where, at best, Hamilton has to pit to fix the car.

oh wtv man, maybe Lewis does the same things , in fact he cries alot more like lil girl, just shut up and race

What was over the limit? You’re just a sheep repeating the opinions of others.

@@DavidCP524 max fan boi🤣

@@user-he7sc3fg3r not really. I have actually read the sporting regs though.