I second this!

3rd!

Yeah and it would be cool to see it against the modern digital version of the same short and a budget breakdown for each

Probably requires a lot of money and knowhow so it wouldn't be viable since they have to start from scratch.

That would be too expensive :(

The fact that I watched all of them

​@@f_Harrysame, absolutely everyone! Love these videos! Along with most of the rest of the Corridor Crews videos!

Vfx is (partially)barely talked about. People invest too much time in Sharon Stone's cli* to be bothered to know about the rest 99% of the industry.

Yeah this was a great ep :D

No joke, you should reach out and offer to provide some behind-the-scenes info or something! I can imagine you have a wealth of information that may not seem as special to you as you lived it, but could be very interesting to the rest of us who weren't there

@@KrazzeeKane There's one crucial element to an Introvision shot that the guys didn't touch on: the use of a second Scotchlite screen. This screen was much smaller than the main screen, and was positioned at a 90 degree angle from the camera, directly opposite the projector. So the projector projects an image onto the beam splitter, sending the projection onto the big screen behind the actors and set pieces, and the splitter lets the same projection pass through onto the smaller screen off to the side. The camera can see BOTH screens. Then a black matte was constructed on a huge piece of glass in front of the camera, matting out the parts of the shot that would be picked up by the smaller screen, which had a corresponding countermatte in black in front of it. The mattes had to align PERFECTLY, or you'd see a bright edge where the projection was doubled, or a black edge where the projection was cut off completely. This use of 2 screens and mattes/ countermattes is what made Introvision Introvision, instead of just normal front projection. It's where you get that shot of the guys walking around in the room behind the table. The table is being projected onto screen #2, and a matte lets the guys walk behind it. Same with Harrison Ford jumping off the bus. He's standing on a platform on set. The platform is matted out, and the second screen fills in the lower part of the bus. All this was done in camera, where the director could see it all and give feedback/ direct etc.

The movie "Outland" with Sean Connery is a really great showcase for Introvision. It was their first big job on a feature film, and the shots they were able to get were spectacular. The Cinefex article on "Outland" gives a really good, detailed explanation of the Introvision process, and interviews with the creative heads.

​@@rickrische557that is super fascinating, thanks for sharing. I hope the crew sees this

i wonder if we can compact out introvision's tech nowdays since you know, seems like reusing this tech sounds much more compact nowdays than doing big screen projection that mandalorian has

Honestly ending things off where they did was a great choice. All Good Things is still a prime example on how to end a longrunning show with dignety. It is much better then just continuing to make content and sour the entire series by ending it with bad content.

​@@zafranorbian757almost everything about TNG was an example of what to do. That show was amazing, and with all due respect to the other series and movies, it is still by far the best Trek.

Just adding a bit, it was also syndicated. There was no big, multi-billion dollar network behind it. Which is probably why it was so good and for the time revolutionary in a lot of ways.

Its also is one of the few tv shows from back then that was able to get a native 1080p transfer when the bluray was being worked on because most, if not all of the special effects were keep in the analog 35mm film realm, before being transfered to tape for broadcast.

@@zafranorbian757 Totally agree. Unfortunately, new Trek couldn't leave it well enough alone and soured the milk.

It's also a bit scary

@@LuisSierra42 absolutely not

@@ISirSmoke I meant the clip, not Sam

It's because they film him on the other side of some glass.

They really did a great job with his skin texture

HAHAHAAA xDDD

@@PlastoJoe *The glass from the packaging he's been in since his last Star Trek movie.*

xD

Sounds better than my theory, that one or more of the background people were overacting or doing something eye-catching they wanted to get rid of.

in the end the cgi people was waaaay more eye-catching than even real people with watermelons on their neck @@ourkeving 🤣

Sounds better than my my cynical guess is that Production decided that the original extras that were sat there didn't have a broad enough range of ethnicities.

They needed diversity so they put CG doubles

That was my first thought, too. Socially Distant Crowd Scene.

Adjust 35 years of inflation and that's $20M an episode or something

@@bobjohnson1633 It is 4,8

It was good enough that while remastering it required recompositing (since it was done on video for TV) the shots, all they had to do was scan the 35mm effects plates in and put them together again without much augmentation at all!

@@okankyotothats not quite true. For models yes, but phasers etc had all be redone since they were made on tape. This is one reason why DS9 and Voy will never get a HD release besides many later scenes used CG models.

@@RC2225 Of course they'll get them eventually.

Agreed! From the hilarity of Prom Pact to multiple ingenious old school techniques, this episode had it all.

for sure! The effects from those movies still hold up, fascinating to see how they were made.

Learned so much from this one! Want to go back and watch all of these movies that used Introvision. Top 5 episode

It really is. You could tell everyone there was also really enjoying the clips and figuring out how they made those shots.

i liked the picks but i felt they spent a lot of time explaining the stuff to each other and not explaining to the viewers lol.

It always gets me cracking up 😂 this and the green lantern episode where he loses it over him using historic weapons are some of my favorite moments on UKposts.

​@@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5nope. Don't do that here.

its coming.

There is already. Many new films, even New Trek like Strange New Worlds, uses practical effects more and more.

Indeed

I really like how the production crew on Evil Dead I and II did whatever was necessary to get their story in the can; even using claymation 😍

I just aged 30 years when you called The Next Generation "Classic". I hope the cold war starts again and gives you a great sense of unease. Classic ;)

I keep saying, a great episode would be to have them go through the different ways trek ships have been shot through the years, starting with The Original Series, all the way through to Picard, all the different tech, and how it transitioned.

Excellent suggestion actually!!

Such a great callback episode.

It was brilliantly fun. I was amazed at how they were really clever about what they reconstructed and pieced together to keep it affordable on their budget, but then they went and did the lineup and the incredible handoff to Kirk that must have taken a ton of work.

That would be a great episode for them to look at!

Yes, they need to do this!

Yeah, as a huge fan, I have to say while they were always good shots, the remasters have helped!

Same goes for the TOS movies on bluray. Lots of work was done to clean up those compositing lines

True, and in this case, it’s the original elements and how clever and professionally all that was done that makes that possible. It’s not that they’re redoing original bad footage. They’re just enhancing everything that was there to begin with since it was shot on 35mm film, but wasn’t picked up when they composited it on video originally.

And also pointing out flaws. One of their tricks for the bridge was to tape black cardboard on the displays in the back to reduce glare. When they remastered it no one noticed and for a while you could actually see cardboard painted black taped on the wall.

"I don't care"

I agree, in principle, but I gotta be honest... as much as I love Star Trek, I think, in all honesty, my favourite franchise is McDonalds!! 😕

@@RocksterOO1 Did they hire you to say this? because I would say they fund Terrorist governments.. maybe not the best franchise.

I loved tha episode

I remembered this episode well enough that as I was watching this video, I was comparing it to what I remembered from that Reading Rainbow episode

I grew up on TNG so fanatically that Levar Burton's real eyes hold a quality that no other eyes on earth have. It's like the miracle of warp flight!

Just left a comment with the same episode. Season 5, episode 1 "The Bionic Bunny Show".@@JohnnyWednesday

It's on UKposts somewhere. I saw it not too long ago.

They need to get Bruce on the couch!

And some of it backwards. He's one of the best at it because of Raimi and Evil Dead.

The only thing cooler than Bruce Campbell is several Bruce Campbells

In Bruce Campbell's book, "If Chins Could Kill", he goes over how they did some of the effect in the Evil Dead movies (with no budget). Very clever stuff, fun read.

In fact it's so amazing that Corridor should try to invite Campbell AND Raimi and make a special episode just talking about Evil Dead movies.

Rarely see today? Tv shows now take more work and effort then a lot of movies. Star Wars shows, Marvel, game of thrones. All feature quality better then movies a few years back

The models were built and filmed by Industrial Light and Magic.

@@DanielRieger - The constraints of the system is what gave better shots, at least for the tone of the show.

​@JohnnyWednesday This, Star Trek has a tradition of being efficient with their constraints. Showrunners tried to optimize to the seasons budget, saving of budget by planning in bottle episodes (which with their actors usually ended up to be some of the finest episodes), and reusing the shit of every vfx assett ever put to film, but being clever enough about it that it doesn't stand out immediately. Reuse to make best with a generous but limited budget, use the money where it pops, and not to make it look cheap.

@@Durwood71 Actually ILM only filmed 100% the first episode. ILM filmed stock flybys of the Enterprise, and of course models they built for the TOS movies were used throughout the run of the show. After the first episode all VFX were handled in house by Rob Legato, and models like the 3ft Enterprise and original ship designs for TNG were built by the great Greg Gein, may he rest in peace.

Bringing _The Next Generation_ to high definition was an expensive and labor intensive process. If we get HD versions of _Deep Space Nine_ and _Voyager,_ it will likely be through AI upscaling, which is getting better by the day.

As I recall, DS9 is pretty much the same as TNG, except maybe very late in the show. (Yes, that includes the massive space battles.) The main reason there probably won't be a remaster is that it isn't popular enough to sell well. (TNG 's remaster didn't have amazing sales, and that is the most popular of the Trek shows.)

Well, they can do it the same as with TOS, just put new CGI into that shows, but there are 2 main problems with that: 1st - nobody will pay that for several 30 years old shows 2nd - you will destroy that original feeling from these shows, so let's keep it outdated 😀

@@SylvesterInk Yeah, but a lot of the background ships are not good models. A lot of the Birds of Prey in The Way of the Warrior are Hallmark Christmas ornaments.

I thought part of the problem with trying to remaster Voyager and DS9 was the master's for those episodes were saved to tape versus 35mm film stock for TNG?

Yes! It took some pure genius for some of those people to figure out how to do things years or even decades before the technology to do it was even invented. Even something as simple as Technicolor, which was a way to film movies in color using black and white film.

Exactly so! This is most obvious in the early shot of a big cat who looks toward the camera with eyes shining brightly because of the projected image is reflected off the tapetum lucidum layer behind the retina. The projectors used giant glass slides created with a view camera if I recall correctly. I recall reading about this at the time. (Yes, I'm that old...)

It wasn't invented for 2001, I believe the major innovation there was that they came up with a synchronization mechanism between the camera and projector that allowed the camera to be panned and tilted across a projected still background that was much larger than the camera frame.

that already exists online and has for a long time

@@widdomonki238 ok, do you have examples or references I can look up? Perhaps a UKpostsr? I know there are the guys from Enterprise, but it’s not the same as to what corridor crew does

They used a massive model minute to achieve that shot, so much detail put into the saucer section and landscape. ILM did great work on generations.

It maybe looks a little bit like a Thunderbirds crash with the density of the soil and motion of trees - but if anything that makes me love it more

I still think the shot of the Enterprise B, pulling away from the Nexus and getting hit, is one of the best model shots ever. It has so much weight and impact in it.

@@Scuzzlebutt142 Some of that scene the Enterprise B was fully CGI.

@@kd84afc In that case they did an exceptional job, cause I thought all the Enterprise-B parts were models. But I thought the specific scene was Model, as they redesigned the ship so they could damage it without damaging the Excelsior class filming model, its got those new flanges of the engineering hull. But if that was CGI, then I think it speaks to animators/Graphics department who had worked with models long enough to get the look right, and could get that translated to CGI. Some of the issue I have with CGI is that the models often don't have the correct weight in their movement, as you aren't restricted by cameras/models physical limitations, of having mass and inertia.

And when they reacted to Saaho!

I dont know, Sams reaction to Jordan’s satisfaction Zelda render is priceless.

Sam is one of those rare adults still capable of pure joy - we must protect him from bad traffic and disappointing series finale.

_cough_ Babylon 5 _cough_

​@@fredfredburger5150there wouldn't be any Babylon 5 without TNG

Did they won though?

I understand the sentiment but it's not quite related! Digi-doubles are nothing new. There's a lot of misunderstanding from SAG or the general public as they don't quite have the experience or knowledge when it comes to visual effects. Their fears were more about how AI or machine learning could affect or replace actors' work - this case of Prom Pact, while hilarious, is not quite related. This is just good ol' fashioned CG work, done poorly in execution. Nevertheless, it was not done with AI or machine learning - it was still VFX artists likely paid a minimal amount, given no budget and no time to turn out these shots. At the end of the day, as Corridor touched upon, there are reasons we don't know about for why they chose this route. Likely, they filmed on set and either FORGOT to have extras in that row (which is the the fault of the filmmakers on set - meaning, the director, DP, 1st AD, etc. all missed the empty row). Or they wanted to cover something up. They likely didn't have the budget to do a reshoot of that location, and bring back the entire crew and extras back. So instead, they were forced to try to patch it with VFX. Still a poor decision overall, as they would've had better luck shooting extras against green screen to comp in.

The craftiness, truly a Movie Magic.

I havn't seen the logo for it for a long time...

yess i second that

Oh yeah that's a good one!

Definitely!

To me, as ships approach each other from a distance, their helmspeople “align“ face-to-face as they get closer to each other.

💯

Because those practical effects are extremely complex to do and leave little (if any) space for mistakes or corrections. That's not to say CGI is easy, Marvel movies show they definitely can be screwed up quite easily by people who think that, but there's a degree of flexibility that you can't match with practical effects, not to mention you can reach a way bigger scope in what you do with it (The Lord of the Rings trilogy gets a lot of deserved credit for its use of practical effects but just consider how much of it actually is CGI and how impossible those movie would have been to make without it). Ideally, movies should use a combination of both (think Top Gun Maverick or Mission Impossible), but man, I don't think any VFX guy would like to go entirely with these techniques, IMO: Introvision is awesome, but think how many complex steps it takes to pull off compared to a well executed digital composite. A good miniature, however? That's something I do think they would relish working on (think Batman Begins).

@@Diegorskysp17 there is also the issue of unions. The digital animation artists weren't unionized. So they could bid out to the lowest bidder rather than pay artists what they're worth. Not to mention it could be done by vfx studios nowhere near the film studio. Meaning it could be done overseas for way less money. A lot of the reported expense for hand animation and practical effects also comes from paying union workers what was contracted. Changing the nature of how the effects were done meant they could avoid that expense. The example of LotR is awesome. There were tons of practical effects. Same with Jurassic Park. The Hobbit and Jurassic World is almost entirely done in computers. They don't look as good as their predecessors. Digital effects are great when used to augment practical, when they're used without practical effects they don't hold up. Even a movie like Avatar looks as good as it does because of the practical work that was done. Compare the underwater work there to the live action Little Mermaid. Even just taking the time to see how something looks practically can have a huge positive impact on how the digital effects come out.

@@ubermoose5694 I sincerely don't think unions played as big of a role on the rise of CGI in VFX. In fact, the abuse of CG artists is a relatively recent phenomenon, thanks to the rise of the MCU and other superhero properties, as well as the streaming boom, where platforms devoted to makea ton of shows and movies where money is no object. It clearly is an issue today tho, one that hopefully will be fixed sooner rather than later. As for CGI working better when used to augment (or alongside, I would add) practical effects, I think every VFX artist will agree with you. It's just better to have something to, at the very least, use as reference (hell, look at Michael Bay's Transformers movies. Whatever you might think of them, the effects work in there is better than most of what's released today). As an aside, I do think The Hobbit is a weird case, very similar to the SW prequels in the sense of them trying to push the envelope of the technology at the time, but because we had some frame of reference of the practical effects used in the previous movies (say, full makeup orcs and goblins instead of mocap), we notice stuff is different... although not necessarily worse (Azog is fantastically well made and the Goblin King is a great character design... but one that clearly couldn't be played by a person in a rubber suit), IMO. Them not having the same impact as the previous movies certainly didn't help matters.

these types of comments are an 'own' only till the next billion parameter architecture comes out and then everyone has to pivot towards moralistic arguments again. So why even do it

They spen less money

So made some inquiries, and my best educated guess as to why the Digi doubles were dropped in was for diversity reasons. Notice how white most of the crowd is? Notice the 5 they put in the second row were all POC? It is Disney and I can see this being a concern enough to add in POC. It was filmed here in Vancouver and I work in background here. We struggle to get enough POC background here. Even though Vancouver is a very diverse city most of the people who are interested in doing background are white.

I think they just put some deversity there

It was filmed in 2022 in Canada at that time the Onnicron corona virus variant was going around. I wonder if during filming they had the row behind the main actors empty to keep some social distancing as they would not want one of the main cast to get covid and delay filming.

That's a great estimation, but also, the actual human extras could have been fucking around somehow (they're kids after all right?). Maybe they slipped in some dank meme or flipped the bird & it wasn't caught until the edit, because there are clearly real people (extras) sitting close to the team elsewhere even in the examined shot. It wouldn't be the first time it's happened, & that would result in a time crunch to fix the shot, which would explain why it's so sloppy. Also when you go to the shot right before the one examined, you can see the entire crowd when the camera is shooting thru the cheerleaders, & they're real people.

Shit... I should finish watching the episode before commenting 🙄

I was thinking COVID could have been the problem, but they could have totally worked around it by maybe doing a dang double exposure shot with the extras shuffled around to fill the space.

@@JeighNeither That is a definite possibility. Having worked as an extra before, it's not like you audition and are checked to see if you have any competency with acting. You just get hired if you have the right look for what they are filming.

If that were the reason, couldn’t they just have filmed all the extras (or a row of extras at a time or whatever) first and then superimpose the main cast on top of them?

it feels like an episode from years ago

What a bizarre opinion to have that a production set in a white majority nation should be 'too white'.