Can you guys please make a video about green screens vs blue screens for VFX?

Kurohei they also only cut the grass with like sheep and junk to make it seem more medieval

oooooooo intresting

I've been to that place in New Zealand and it's pretty damn cool

@@hazzard7653 Funner fact, you've been to the rebuilt set, not the original. I went there too and still loved it of course X-D.

I went there in 2004 before they did the proper rebuild. Even then it was was wonderful. Did a whole 2 week LOTR tour of North and South Island...prob best holiday I've ever been on

Correction: a masterclass of a moive

Sound like a porn parody

lord of the rings is porn. art porn

And then they decided to film The Hobbit in 3D, thus preventing them from using ANY forced perspective, since depth perception would ruin it.

Ikr

100%

Peter Jackson is a fan of Tolkien's work.

And you can tell the hobbit was made with corporate greed

At least st someone was 🤫

@@draglout yeah we don’t do that here

@Calm Beast not cool

@Calm Beast I’m not even Indian and I’ve seen some incredible Indian movies, great Hollywood movie level movies. You can’t judge Indian movies off of videos of bad Indian movies on the internet. You can do the same thing for Hollywood and people like you would judge it off of that

@Calm Beast “licking our boots”. Clearly you have lost the idea of respect, something 90% of people these days don’t have. And you’re pathetic for saying derogatory stuff about your own country.

@@hood6089name of Indian b movie

I'm imagining the meeting with the effects supervisor and PJ says "i want to do this, and that" and the ES replying "We got this...!" Balls of Steel?

Evil Ash RIGHT!? Although how confident were all the “we got this” because I think most of the time it ended in a question mark.

*This happens to me when I do my vfx with zero budget* 😂 *would you mind to check me out?* it means everything to me! 😋😊

Permission to tell you one thing different? It isn’t AN achievement it is THE ACHIEVEMENT

Star Wars AND lotr

@@cookedjedi6627 Star Wars is overrated in my opinion.

Then don't listen to his son. "They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25," Christopher says regretfully. "And it seems that The Hobbit will be the same kind of film." On the other hand he was opposing the whole movie thing from the very beginning.

@David K well, the last 3 films are very bad, but the universe that George Lucas create is awesome, it has a very big lore and the TV shows like clon wars and mandalorian are incredible.

Legolas jumping on the broken bridge pieces....ughhh

There was no Hobbit movie - NEVER! You heard me!? :-D

It's a bit downputting that the hobbit had noticeable cgi flubs. Watching the extended commentary cuts and other such media about the original trilogy, a lot of the 'issues' with the hobbit trilogy really stand out. It's almost all achieved with cgi, and when you drown your vfx with cgi it becomes very noticeable. Been my experience that they need to balance cgi, practical, miniatures, etc. to make something truly believable. The Lord of the Rings trilogy hit the ratio perfectly and to this day looks fantastic.

First one is good.

@@murtazarizvi368 That's dated CGI, not bad CGI. Spy Kids 3, THAT is bad CGI. Compare Spy Kids 3 CGI with The Return of the King, these movies came out DURING THE SAME YEAR. NOW tell me, after comparing, that lotr3 had bad cgi lmfao. Fuck off, you don't know what you're talking about.

:(

I know he isn’t mentioned in this video, but Rest In Peace Sir Christopher Lee (Saruman) as well.

@@xantherxavier5429 This video was made 2 years ago 😂 they cannot see the future 😂

@@phoebepaige1619 they meant how there aren't any scenes with him shown in this video like with bilbo

@@emackenzie maybe because they're talking about CGI and there isn't so much to talk about Saruman scenes, while Bilbo has many with the hobbits' height

Just a few do it these days. Even Jackson has become lazier. I can understand that. But it is a pity.

And between them were nominated for 30 Academy Awards. Won 17. Peter Jackson should have applied this to The Hobbit, not lazy CGI.

@@MiraSubieGirl ​ Nåti M well Jackson wasn't in charge of making The Hobbit , he had to step in because the original director couldn't finish it so he was very short of time, among other things if you are interested more about this there is plenty of info if you just google about it (Jackson himself speaks directly about problems of The Hobbit in some interviews)

Dollt28 thanks man didn’t know that

Sir Peter Jackson

Also, what you don't see is a waterfall at edge of the shot and Andy was so enthusiastic he almost fell down it.

Jeez

Thanks Andy..

@@tomsy7513 sick jerk

Tomsy as a stage actress, I care deeply about that stuff. so, yes, anyone does care. and if Andy serkis hadn't done that, lord of the rings won't happen at all.

I hate when people call CGI lazy, as 3D artists and vfx artists work very hard on these shots and when they do their job well, nobody can tell it's there. But I do agree that the best way to use CGI is to use it in the background to blend everything together, not to take the stage in place of a method that works better

Totally agree with you...

Yup. The hobbit was a) a rush job so CGI is faster at getting the shots done and b) lazy; they just went with the least physical object storages, creation and weathering as they could. Because of that it looks overly saturated and bland. No one stands out, because they're in a fake environment. By skipping the physical and going for "WOW LOOK AT ALL THE COOL CGI WE CAN DO", weta made a crap show Sincerely, a disappointed kiwi

Because it real.... Not cgi over everything's

finished rewatching them the other day for the first time in maybe 8 years and was like wow, still quality films for being nearly 20 years old and holds up ridiculously well

I recommend Jurassic park 2 cgi aging hella well and in my opinion its better then the first one

you know how it is, practical shots last, cg ages

i would actually dissagree

@@dragoonMSfan you're dumb then

Ivan how would you disagree, it’s held up amazingly

AKG i know for that time it was amazing but now when i already saw it 20 times, i can’t Watch of how Boring long it is and then i Look for details of whats wrong with this scenes...

I still love starship troopers!

There are few who can

The answer is meticulously

With the power of the One Ring.

I just felt like a VFX artist saying that, seemed odd. It is like asking a math teacher, how do you do this math problem? I don't know.

@@impendingdoom7920 The painting technique is that of geniuses, which I will not repeat here.

you should watch the behind the scenes to each of the 3 movies. I know it's really long, but if you do have a passion for the films and films in general it's arguably just as interesting.

@@kreia187 Yea its mindblowing that they still had time to do those behinds the scenes material, considering how much effort went to the actual films. The only movie I can think of which has the same kind of ambition is Jurassic Park, but then again...thats "just" one movie and not trilogy.

They did something similar with the wagon where Frodo and Gandalf sit side by side. Apparently they made Frodo's seat a couple of feet behind Gandalf making him look smaller

Forced perspective camera work on these films was phenomenal. The bts of the film trilogies provides, to this day, an inner approach towards filmmaking like no other.

When the LotR Exhibition was doing its rounds way back in the day, they had a set up where two people could have their photo taken on the "wagon seat" that Frodo and Gandalf sit on. It was made in the same fashion. Anyway, one of you was huge and the other small. It was great.

That's awesome dude!

ohh great mate 👍🏻

Same here, but unlike you I don't work in the VFX industry. The making ofs and commentaries are just as fascinating and entertaining as the movies themselves.

Which were your favorite behind the scenes moment? I loved the making of the phony pony/ barrel rig.

Same, but I'm a writer and world builder because of it vs vfx. I would love to learn more about both vfx and practical effects, though. I want to work in film to some extent some day. It's always been a passion of mine, and LotR was a huge part of feeding that.

@Charlie Vetsworth *shrug its just sad how big the starwars series is and they screwed it up. Props to him for attempting to clean up the mess. Plus the new trilogy is remake of the original trilogy and lotr already is a great peice of literature.

@Charlie Vetsworth JJ didn't intend on doing the third movie, it was Colin Trevorrow originally. Trevorrow got removed and they brought back JJ to do the third movie after the disaster that was TLJ because they figured that JJ could make a safe movie to mop up the mess that was TLJ while placating fans... which is exactly what TROS does. TFA put the sequel trilogy in an awful position to begin with anyways. Everyone involved in the production of those hideous movies are to blame, not just KK or RJ.

JJ and Rian are equally at fault. TFA has zero world building or characterization for Rey. TLJ had a chance to undo this but completely failed with the “subverted expectations” bullshit. TROS is just a total disaster because at this point there is no saving the trilogy.

@Charlie Vetsworth Respectfully, I have to disagree. Abrams is good at casting, character chemistry and dialogue. But he is horrible at story writing. Just look at any of his films or tv shows. They always have great characters, good acting and amusing banter. But the stories all fall short at best, and fall apart at worst.

@M D No one here is questioning the writing in LOTR, genius. Maybe you should try harder to comprehend the discussion before mouthing off.

Takes you back to when your life was much simpler? Does me.

It's that good

It’s a true masterpiece that’s why and we were privileged enough to be alive to experience it.

PatchCornAdams723 Nostalgia man, the nostalgia hits me HARD everytime I even think about Lord of the Rings. Back to a time when I had no worries

Because it is telling the story of the most core truth inside all of humanity. Check out The Hero's Journey.

Hoping that nowdays people should realize, although nowdays VFX are amazing, the use of miniature and practical effects is very important to make a masterpiece movie

Not a masterpiece but a gift from the gods, we are not worthy of such high level of skill in book to movie adaptation, I bet those who readed Lord of the Rings couldn't find a mistake in the movie, it's something that I would call eyegasm, when your eyes are jerked off by the amazing view in your eyes

It is also the very last fantasy Trilogy that escaped current year identity politics. The last european myth that didn't end up "reinterpreted."

@@TheZapan99 Just imagine there being black elves. I just threw up a little.

@@Sykohsis you wanna throw up? if LOTR was made now, Sam would be a strong female character that kept saying women power over and over and Frodo needs a girl to help him, also we all know Legolas would be black and Aragon gay, we just know.

@@Real_SkyRipper I came from the future to say that there is a dark elf in the new series of LotR

CGI looks just as good now

@@BadgerStyler not always.

Well yeah, of course. But for a shot like the one of Rivendell, a big studio could easily recreate that perfectly without any miniatures now

It always depends on the right mix. But they should do more things practical today. If they would make the battle for Helm's Deep today, it would be a single, artificial-looking CGI-fest. or watch the Indiana Jones films. Does the 4th part look better because it uses CGI? Of course not. A lot of filmmakers just got lazy. Filming a chase in front of a green screen and simply leaving the rest to the effects company for months is easier than elaborate choeographies, hire a bunch of stunt people, long rehearsals and shut off streets including permits, insurance, transportation of tons of material and so on.

@@rolanddeschain6089 Whoever saw movies like Spartacus or Laurence of Arabia with hundreds or even thousands of troops knows real life people and especially real horses will never look as realistic in CGI.

I was actually quite entertained by the Hobbit but the CGI took me right out of the movie. I also hated how they shoved so much random stuff in that shouldn’t be there like Azog. If I look at it as an adaptation of the book, I hate it, but if I look at it as its own thing, I like most of it.

@@willemmmmm yeah, that's basically where I am with it.

Paul WT exactly

It most definitely did not ruin The Hobbit

oh, so thats why I find it kind of off, it was good, but... hhhhmmmmm

Pretty understandable though. It wasn't just props and miniatures. There was also makeup, horses, hundreds of extras they have to control. Plus, cgi is easier to do in a studio than the outdoors. But I get what you're saying. Compared to Lotr, Hobbit feels like a children's cartoon.

In their defense, that happened mainly because Peter wasn’t given enough time for practical effects and was forced to rely on CG more than in the original trilogy as a result.

Given the original book was intended for children, that actually fits perfectly

There is a new Hobbit fan-edit that removes all of those bad CGI scenes and pointless action scenes entirely. The Maple Films Studio edit of The Hobbit condenses the trilogy into a single 4 ½ hour film that is faithful to Tolkien’s book. The color grading of this edit was even adjusted to match the appearance of The Lord of the Rings Trilogy. This is the Hobbit version that I use to start my Middle-earth marathon. Here is a review: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/mql0aGdplnd1x3k.html

Erik C 'Piano Man' came here to say this but glad you beat me to it

I remember hearing that it’s actually a full bust- Weta gave it to Ian Holm after shooting.

Leonard O'Grady I seem to remember seeing some bts or dvd feature with an image of the bust/puppet but I might be remembering things

yeah I remember the commentary saying it was a puppet that they partially morphed onto Ian's face

@@stephenm24 I came here to say the same.

BeastMade Reviews my teacher at film school called them bigatures lol

@@eftorq I think the team called them "Maximatures"

@@eftorq They called them Bigatures in the production. They talk about them for hours on the DVD extended version special features. Honestly, the DVD extended version is my favourite because it has dozens of hours of special features that are almost %100 cut from the extended edition blu-ray release

@@eftorq LOL perfect

@@eftorq the guys who made the movies called them bigatures too

You absolutely must not go another day without purchasing either the DVD or Bluray Special extended edition trilogy and then watch all the appendices. They cover every single detail with 20 hours of jam packed interviews, set tours, and discussions covering every detail of production. I'm convinced that this had the most grueling and tedious production of a movie ever. Most every person involved with each movie was pushed to their absolute limits. For the last 3-4 months before the world premiere of return of the king they were composing and recording full orchestra music 24/7. They filmed on 2000km of film and used 12km of pipe hand cut and hand constructed to build all the chain mail, etc.. if you watch the appendices you will be convinced that there will never be a movie produced as these were, ever again.

15hrs later...

You should have a look at "folleyship of the ring". That is not a misspelling thats the name of a parody.

@@viiking01 Agreed 100%, I watched every minute of the "making of" on the special editions and found it as fascinating as the story itself. As you say, the incredible depth of production was probably the last of its kind.

@@viiking01 We have the complete extended editions trilogy, minus one of the appendices discs, which unfortunately got melted when the DVD-player motor seized up. We've watched the appendices more than the trilogy itself, it was so fascinating to watch.

Noone. And I mean no studio, producer, director, staff and actors would invest THAT much into a movie anymore. 3 years on friggin New Zealand? Therefore we get decent movies then and now, but benchmarks like the LotR.. no. I am still waiting for such thing. Fingers crossed for Avatar sequels tho..

Minecraft and lotr are one thing in a few generations, I don't want to sound like a boomer but movies felt better in the past, like, you could feel more passion placed into them, these days there are sooo many movies that try to reproduce those old gems that we were used to watch but it seems that noone gets that you have to put passion into something if you want it to be good, the hobbit is a shame, compared to lotr, is good by itself but bad in comparisson

​@@CommonSenz​Why would you stress over making a high quality god like movie when you can make some cheap jokes, make a few millions and retire? Just a few movies like Joker feel like they tried to make something, lotr may be the first and last of his genre to be that good

@@CommonSenz I can not wait for Avatar 2, hopefully in theaters in 2030

The Dark Knight: Am i a joke to u?

toonbat It’s a very silly place!

Tis'

@@tibsie Oh, tra-la-la-lally, Down here in the valley! Ha, ha!

So what? Why is that 300 likes on this comment?

Monty Python reference

Holy crap, that won't fit on any table owned by mortal men.

What's d&d? English isn't my first language.

@@isaacnewton7424 Dungeons and Dragons

@@ekamonthewise2395 oh

at least he's always right

Stumped better than all the other reactchannels. This educates well.

you forgot that dumbass screaming like a school girl

And "Look at that nekc. Euck!!"

They obviously know how to do that but they are impressed because it's pretty tough to do it and takes a lot of time. It's basically like watching someone pulling a plane, you would ask "How'd he do that !?" even if you perfectly know how...

don’t forget “I haven’t seen this movie” - Clint

so true

Its all about good CGI but even a small detail the audience will notice and it looks awful. Shin Godzilla I honestly didint know he wasnt a guy in a rubber suit

The thing is, miniatures are quite expensive compared to CGI nowadays. You have to hire several people to make them, it takes a lot of time, you have to store them and have a backup or two in case it breaks on set. However, I think they are worth every penny.

Fr!

@@btCharlie_ Not just that but CGI is also a lot easier, it gives the VFX artists more freedom.

@@theholypopechodeii4367 Well said.

I almost hit the dislike button after they said that haha

@@theholypopechodeii4367 True. I remember that one of the review requirements for the game was to not mention Lord of the Rings, as it wasn't considered canon.

LOL i can never tell when they're making mistakes and when they're deliberately fucking with us

@The Four Horsemen They are really fun though

Romance?

stfu and enjoy their videos i would love to see another video on lotr it's interested

@@priiyankrathod5340 Easy there tiger, they're taking shots at The Hobbit, not Corridor Crew.

I sure hope they do

Like Lindsay Ellis' Everything Wrong with The Hobbit movies parts 1/2, 2/2 and 3/2.

Ask

Tyler Muir same

Heyy... React on ( plz like this so these guys can see and react on these) part 2 on Indian CGI ❤❤❤❤❤ 1 👉 ra.one - shahruk khan - indian super hero movie - that's a little good one 2.. Robot 2.0 - rajani kant, akshay kumar - Full movie (it's kind of nice as an indian movie, you've reacted on it's first part 3... flying jatt - tiger shroff - Final fight on the moon ( that looks cartoonish, plz react on that ) 4 ajooba - Jackie shroff - thats literally horrible 😂😂

Manolo Quintero 😂

I was surprised they ended on that shot but didnt go into details on the effect. You beat me to it! :D

Sort of like how they made Donovan "decay" in _Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,_ then. Neat!

I went to a museum exhibit of all of the LOTR props and they had the sculpture of Bilbo. It was perhaps the creepiest thing I've ever seen. That, and the Boromir dead body in the boat, which looked incredibly real like Sean Bean was just taking a nap.

Anime Sins I do the same with my family! Every 2 years we do a Middle Earth Marathon

Hahah we do it every year

Well if you watch from the Hobbit it's not a trilogy, it's 6 movies

2 or 3 years ??? Sir i rewatch all 6 movies 2 or 3 times every single year

@@LordAko04 Good man!

Was going to say this. I'm surprised they didn't know.

@@fumblesmcstupid7799 How does creating an entire handcrafted doll for .5 seconds of action qualify as "Less"?

@@fumblesmcstupid7799 fair enough! In any case I was so amazed by the attention to detail in Lord of the rings! A true manmade wonder!

I went to a touring museum display of all of the Lord of Rings props and this doll was one of the things there and it freaked me out. So did the dead Sean Bean in the boat. It was really interesting because they had a whole section showing how they did the perspective manipulation. There also were some of the miniatures they used like the 2 giant king statues that are alongside the river, Baradur, Isengard, and the scouring of the Shire (which was only on screen for a few seconds in Galadriel's mirror and was about the length of a pool table). There was even the cave troll model that they used to create the CGI model. So much detail went into everything for this movie.

I watched those multiple times too. I actually rebought the extended editions when I’d lose or damage one of the extras discs. All the stuff on the miniatures and the costumes and music and effects and SOUND DESIGN, ugh, instant love.

Appendices is a perfectly cromulent plural of appendix.

@@ourkeving I know what the word means lol

@@SunflowerSpotlight ye they are super good and I love the packaging. Best thing I own in my medium sized collection

That is not Gollums origin but the origin of the orcs.

Gollum was once a hobbit

@@mrcartwright85 river folk, but yes those are hobbits (:

I’m still blown away by just how well it still holds up.

Is like p*rn but better, if I were to hold boobs irl or watch lotr, I would slap em boobs and watch lotr, it gives me the absolute pleasure

Stickman Reaper weird comparison but alright

@@Ascoundrel there may be some scenes that fell short, but that doesn't take anything away from this epic trilogy

Audacious Scoundrel watched return of the king last night, still looked incredible and immersive to me. 500x better and more realistic than the hobbit trilogy

Big time...gonna get out my extended edition s!

Way ahead of you.

My HS buddies and watched all 3 yesterday! 11 hours... it felt like a plane ride, lol. I would actually say the best thing for me is that they used practical make-up for all the orcs. The Hobbit trilogy used CGI, and it just looks worse...

I'll never understand the love for the extended editions; they're just bloat. Deleted scenes that you can see why they were cut. The theatrical editions are perfect. Tight. Not a wasted moment or excess.

@@ChrisDynamo If you liked the books, you'll like the extended editions, plain and simple.

Same

Same, one does not simply ignore a LOTR video!

What’s funny is Two Towers is playing on TNT right now!

Not same.

Actually they did it before 2001. They started around 98-99

And the modern day marvel movies don’t even look this good.

It came out in December 2001, it was filmed way before that.

It was filmed in 1999 through till December 2000 I’m pretty sure then the rest of the work was done in 2001 before release

Rebecca Bartkiw what happened?

Rebecca Bartkiw it is on par with the shark attack in Jurassic shark

I think the whole film would make you go "oh my god"

Licence To Will that wasn’t that bad!!? what’s wrong about it?

What about the mouse children? A.K.A living nightmares?

Yes

Exactly! I was totally nonplussed when it was over. “But It’s 14 minutes long! It CAN’T be over! 😱”

It feels like they talked about only 2 shots and it's over already.

Is it because they keep plugging their shit every 5 minutes?

What the fuck I read this comment before watching and thought to myself:"Yeah, that's dumb, it's a whole 14 minute video" And here I am, "2 minutes" later

Oof, i didn't realise they said that

I think they just meant to say that Gandalf is human size compared to a hobbit, not to imply that he's actually human.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Mm Picks up the Silmarillion

They're just talking about his size.

@@lanceturley7745 Ian mc kellen is huge compared to humans

i havent watched cats, but i guess it is terryfing. now i want to see it. but also kinda not.

Hawaii781 it is a legend worth seeing for yourself, imho

@Hawaii781 There are leaked videos on internet. The cockcroach scene is out there. It is incredibly terrible and terrifying.

@Dean Sartorel Do you think we can get a thumbs up with that scene? 10:12

Utterly terrifying? Somebody came straight from pitch meetings

and even more disappointed in The Hobbit trilogy...

If you like that kind of stuff, I recommend watching the hours of making-of videos in the DVD's extras. It's got everything you can think of from set life to prop design.

That's what I was thinking, there's too much to sum up in two videos. I'm also hoping they review the Hobbit.

Faith if I recall correctly, they said they would. Especially because people wanted a comparison between LotR and the Hobbit

My disappointment immeasurable and my day is ruined

They said in a past video that they would do multiple videos for the franchise since everyone really wanted them to do it.

They'll have to end up doing it in 3 just like how Peter Jackson had to do the Hobbit in 3......wait

big facts

2010s ?

10s: Marvel?

@@jjwang7597 Marvel VFX is the same as any movie of the decade. Seriously Marvel is so fucking overrated to the point people compare Endgame to Return of the King.

10s avatar? Edit: wow avatar is 11 years old never mind.

Finely And Friends They also used some really cool tech for the dramatic lighting in that scene which would neat to dig into

@@Gondamar That's my mates over at Satellite Lab; it's a practical effect. Check out their work on Instagram!

instagram.com/satellite_lab?igshid=s95tdkgvm0eu

Honestly better than Star Wars. People just have rose tinted glasses

MADDAZZA 95 Some argue that with the Two Towers the trilogy dips and looses momentum, but it’s definitely top three, with the Toy Story and Before trilogies.

Weasle Of course people have Rose tinted glasses. Star Wars was a revolutionary evolution in visual effects and had an amazing story to go along with them, so, those rose tinted glasses have a good reason to be there.

Itakafu TLJ was awful lol

Star Wars is a joke compared to lotr

It's up there for sure

Yes that movie was so hilarious

?

Good idea

That would be awesome, i love that movie

Vincent Hübschmann so you watched movies for 11 hours

@@ostronost1841 If they were the extended versions he did :3

😕

I have a habit of watching the extended editions of lotr and the hobbit like once every month or two. I just love it too much. We really need an open world lotr rpg where you can play as any race. Basically a lord of the rings version of an elder scrolls game.

Garrett Horsch there is always minecraft lord of the rings mod

Conor Gillen lol That would be awesome.

Please support on my channel

yes !!!

yes! XD

That would be epic!!!

I'm glad that you had that experience with her

Had something similar. My Mom was a deeply invested LoTR fan, we went to the first opening night, standing in line for something like 9 hours to be the first 10 or so people in line to get the best seats. No easy feat for myself as I'm very handicapped and have leg issues. Unfortunately by the second release she had liver cancer and couldn't go. She told me I had to go stand in line just like the first one for her for I can immediately tell her about it after getting out of the theater. So I did. Stood in line for hours to be within the first dozen or less people into the theater.. enduring the pain for it all. Sadly by the third she had passed.. so at this point had to continue the tradition to honor her. I did it for every single LoTR movie, including the Hobbit. One year I didn't have a working car and no one willing drive me to the theater and was limited on funds for a taxi so had to bike through 3 feet of snow about 7 miles to the theater in North Idaho weather storm (and even more snow on the return trip after the movie at like 3ish AM). I was that motivated to complete my task.

😢😢😭😭