Glad you found it helpful! Parts 2 & 3 will be published next week and I should answer your questions relating to surgery history!

@@Dr_DougLucas Thank you

Thank you for your support.@@TheMommom8

Can we see the vibration plate??

When I am using this device I systematically engage all muscles in this process, otherwise they would just flop around

Thank you so much for sharing all of this. I am glad to hear these videos were helpful to you!

I Don’t like sending people elsewhere on a channel but the NHS in England gives money towards these because they do have testimonials. UKposts channel is My Bones/Marodyne Liv Also saw Sarah Meeks, a physical therapist specializing in osteoporosis for many many years, say that the Marodyne Liv improved her osteoporosis 12%! I have my DEXA in April- hoping to have good results! I have a Marodyne

Just check PMID 25581217, to which Dr. Rubin also contributed, published in 2015. No significant difference between low intensity vibration and placebo. It's probably not the answer you want to hear. But at least it's an answer.

Exactly!

We are going to have a follow up video pointing out that Dr Rubin’s findings have not been duplicated in any study. It may be helpful for BMD but there are other more effective options as the research will indicate and my two future videos will demonstrate.

Thank you Doctor Doug! Looking forward to it

Yes, very important! Thank you for your support!

Wooo yes.....the coach is my enemy BEGONE... 78 yo listening lieing on my back legs in the air on the floor....SHAKING MY LEGS VIGOROUSLY THEN REST THEN SHAKE MY ARMS REPEAT TWICE!! I HAVE NO IDEA OF THE BENEFITS HOWEVER WAKES ME UP.... ANY COMMENTS?

I interview Dr. Conviser from PowerPlate next video. Stay tuned for all three!

@@Dr_DougLucas. Hi, I don’t have time to listen to all these videos is the suggestion that these plates are effective yes or no. Thx !

Yes! I suggest just checking out the summary video if you can :)@@starrynight8007

Having osteoporosis, do u recommend the power plate?

Yes, I would recommend it. I recently had my Dexa scan that showed significant improvement in my lumbar spine since 2021. Now to continue doing it and work on other areas.

Watch all three videos. I summarize in the last one!

We have one more day left to purchase the MarodyneLIV at a $200 January discount. I'm really hoping Part 3 gets posted today or tomorrow. Please? I'd love more input before I drop a lot of cash.@@Dr_DougLucas

On it's way this week! There are actually three in the series.

Thanks for sharing! I've heard that before about the vertigo issue.

Dr. Rubin has published a research document that showed no difference between low intensity vibration and doing nothing at all. Your Marodyne LIV falls into the category of 0.3G, described by Dr. Rubin as non-functional (PMID 15040821, published in 2004). What I understand from other viewers and from the title of this video is that in the meantime Dr. Robin is employed by Marodyne. All of a sudden a device described as non-functional by Dr. Rubin himself becomes the device we should all be spending our money on??

Dr Clinton is a part owner of Marodyne and has always fully disclosed it. He was involved in another company previous to Marodyne that wanted to build at 37 or 38 cycles because it could be made less expensively. He resigned and help startup Marodyne at the frequency he has researched for the last 30 years.His device is recognized by Europe, England and Canada as a device to help treat osteoporosis. Recently the US has certified LiV Platform as a medical device Class 2. He never oversells the device and what it can or can not do. I have extensively researched his background before I brought the LiV Platform. I have used it for less than a month and I am happy with the device,❤

Thanks for this piece of info...The machine being promoted is quite expensive. I purchased a low vibration machine for under $100. I find it useful to exercise on...as it has a timer that helps motivate time spent with weights, squats, etc...​@@jacquesmertens3369

@@jacquesmertens3369 I've reviewed that article. I don't see where he says that the device is "non-functional." The statistical analysis shows value in subgroups of lighter women for spine only. You are correct that there was no difference when the analysis is run as "intent to treat."

Glad it was helpful! Make sure you watch all three for the full picture on WBV.

Thank you! Make sure you watch all three videos!

@@Dr_DougLucas looking forward to them!

Thank you for your support.@@vanessascott2009

Thank you for watching!

Glad it was helpful! Glad you found the channel :)

Thank you for watching!

Thank you!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Glad it was helpful!

Thank you for watching!

Thank you! I appreciate those kind words. Keep listening and watching! If you haven’t consider joining our masterclass, bone foundations course or HealthSpan Nation for more direct and condensed access.

Glad it was helpful!

I also have a marodyne. I know it’s expensive, but I felt it was worth it. Five years from now I don’t want to look back and say, ‘I wish I would have done more to prevent this broken hip’.

You're welcome!

@@Dr_DougLucasHello! Dr Lucas, is the device available now??? Thx

Is the best device = Marodyne ? My 88 yr old mother broke her hip. Thanks

@@starrynight8007the marodyne is tested on frail people with no issues. Might be a good choice.

Look, fair enough comment but I feel I would like to respond for the possible benefit of other post readers. It should have been clarified that Dr Rubin does have a financial interest in the Marodyne. It came about after his extensive research and I think he holds the patent on it. His comments regarding Powerplate and other high intensity plates is relative to the potential dangers of high vibration and/or long term exposure to vibration as has been researched for many years especially in relation to the use of machinery and equipment in the workplace. It is a very well established fact that vibration IS a high risk to health in certain situations and for that reason the ISO have standards relating to things like hertz, amplitude, duration, etc. The problem for the high intensity plates is that they are not regulated - I am not aware of any of these devices that say they meet ISO standards for use. The Marodyne does meet the ISO standards and is registered as a medical device. You say that you are able to regulate and adjust your particular machine - and that is a feature of most, but whether people actually understand what they are doing in making self adjustments is another issue. I think you would also find that most manufacturers of these devices list osteoporosis as a condition contraindicated for use. In relation to the research behind Powerplate, I don’t be;I’ve they have specifically conducted research on their machine and its outcome for bone improvement but I do know that there has been a lot of research on “whole body vibration” using such devices as Powerplate. The outcomes of that research is mixed with conclusions that they do improve bone density and that they have no impact on bone density. I was interested to read that in most of those research papers, they did use the settings at 30 to 40hz. I don’t remember the amplitude or the measurement of g force which is central to Dr Rubin’s point. Above 1g force is potentially very dangerous and until the vibration machines are regulated against scientific proof, we’re being left with tricky decisions to make. Dr Rubin is correct in saying that m,any of the devices do operate at much higher hertz and g force than is safely recommended by the ISO, so I take issue with your comment about taking his comment on the Powerplate with a grain of salt. Yes, it was an exaggeration used to illustrate a point. I have personally suffered vertigo from using power plates in a gym environment. The Marodyne unit does not “shake” you, as do most of the other plates. It sends vibration through you. So my thinking is that the vibration itself might be regulated to minimise harm but the actual shaking could lead to some nasty consequences such as detached retina, percussive brain injury (over time) and possible fractures of the spine. Given that you can fracture an osteoporotic spine by just turning over in bed, it is not surprising that manufacturers have that contraindication clause in their info kits. Vibration for exercise has been around for a long time.Vibration for treatment is a whole other ball game. My personal advice would be for people with osteo of the spine to not use power plates of any type but if they must, seek information on the most suitable setting.

His comments relating to Power Plate and other high intensity machines is relative to the extent of the vibration especially above 1g force, which is determine to be potentially dangerous. His criticism of high intensity machines is not to be taken with a grain of salt ... it acts as a warning of the potential dangers that vibration can have at high intensity or duration based on research used by ISO for determining vibration standards. Marodyne meets those standards and high intensity machines remain unregulated in that area. It would be better for the high intensity machine manufacturers to demonstrate compliance with vibration standards. Also of note is that not all of the research on whole body vibration using high intensity machines has been positive. The results have been mixed. Especially interesting is that some of the research was done using the machines within the 30 to 40hz range (not sure of the amplitude or duration) so may account for any positive outcomes. The high intensity machines require the user to regulate the machine, which is probably not a good idea given the user's lack of understanding of the process. High intensity machines cause the body to shake, where the low intensity machine sends a vibration through the body without the body and head shaking.

Full disclosure: I have no financial interest whatsoever in any whole body vibration platform. That said, I feel a few clarifications to the video and the above comment are needed. 1. The Marodyne LIV, Power Plate, VT007, and VT003F are all linear mode high frequency, low amplitude models. 2. The Marodyne LIV is the only model with an amplitude around one-fifth of a millimeter. The others have settings closer to 2 mm at minimum and frequency settings that include 30 Hz. 3. The Marodyne LIV is undoubtedly the safest for anyone with hip or knee replacement or other implants. It is also the most straightforward for anyone who doesn't understand how to adjust settings and just wants to step on it and go. 4. It is a mistake to say that there are only 2 kinds of whole body vibration platforms out there, the Marodyne LIV and the "High intensity" ones. The Power Plate is not an example one to refer to as a "High intensity" platform. A better example would be an oscillatory model that sells in the $100 range with a frequency of 15 Hz or so. Looking at the specs of the Power Plate on paper, the 50 Hz 4 mm amplitude setting is one I probably would not use, but the 30 Hz and 2 mm setting linear mode is very mild and not "high intensity".

Dr Clinton Rubin is the founder of Marodyne Liv. I tried to find independent trials supporting what he claims and could not. When I asked the company for such evidence, they provided several papers, but after reading them carefully, I found they did not support the claims. I am a professor at a top university, with an emphasis on research in math and science, and am comfortable reading papers like this.

Great thread everyone! Take a look at our follow up video on powerplate devices as well my conclusion video on what we are now recommending for patients.

Thank you for watching!

My understanding having seen numerous interviews with Dr Rubin, is that 10 minute duration a few times across the day at least 3 hours apart is the way to go. If you want to exercise for general health, that can be done before or after the Marodyne but if your exercise routine is specifically for bone, he suggested that it should be 2 to 3 hours before or after the Marodyne. This is because the 10 minute stimulation is the max time to stimulate the bone cells and after that there is no benefit, but they can be stimulated again a few hours later. He says 3 hours apart because in one experiment they performed, they found that previously stimulated cells were stimulated again after 3 hours. He has also stated that 1, 10 minutes session is enough to get some benefit. I do a Marodyne in the morning before a shower and one at night before bed. During the day, I am doing either general or bone-specific exercises. Hope that helps. BTW, your first experience of the Marodyne sounds a little odd. Maybe you have a greater sensitivity, but the vibration is not invasive or unsettling. I hope it yields good results for you.

Thanks @magpiegirl, well said.

Yes, those are my impressions too. My thoughts were (and plans now are) to do Marodyne LiV for bone, and other workouts for other health benefits, allowing them to overlap the bone refractory period.. hoping they don't compromise each other but rather compliment. When the other workouts involve heavy muscle resistance or intense cardio I skip the nearest Marodyne session. I have already increased my sessions from just in the morning to between 2 and 4 times a day (3 or more hrs apart). The 4 times seems to be working well for an active recovery day from other more intense exercises so I'm only doing very light cardio and/or mobility and stretching that recovery day. On days I go intense I'm keeping Marodyne to once or twice (morning and evening). And, of course, sleep is a biggie and I've been focusing on increasing the quality through consistency, better timed hydration, and addressing overtraining, learning how to avoid overtraining to begin with using tech.

Thank you for watching!

Hello Paulette. It’s not that I could afford mine, but I figured I couldn’t afford NOT to have one.

It is ridiculous to offer this long commercial without offering affordable machines..I have a vibration machine for under $100.

HI everyone in this thread! Please recognize that this is not an advertisement. I don’t make any money off of these devices. However, the two leaders in the space are Marodyne and PowerPlate. They are different and I wanted to deliver some fair discussion around the differences. Be careful with less expensive versions as they may not deliver consistent mechanics and you may not see the benefits or possibly even see an increased risk of injury.

Thank you Dr Doug. I’m enjoying the series.

I have often wondered whether the Thumper Sport Massager off Amazon can do something like this. I find it helps with spine pain and often wonder if it may simulate stimulation in the bone similar to what brisk walking might do (but far kess stress on the spine.)

Thank you for watching!

haha, that’s funny. Make sure you watch all three videos in this series to get the full picture.

Yes! Thank you for watching!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thank you!

Thank you for the kind comment! There are less expensive versions. Before you buy wait to watch part 2 and 3.

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Thank you! Glad you found it helpful!

Thank you for watching!

Make sure to watch all three videos on this topic!

Thank you so much for your support!

Thank you for watching!

That's a common comment! The third of our series on this topic will be the summary. You may find that helpful!

I disagree. Dr Rubin filled in gaping holes of information that translate to new behaviors.

I have a series of 3 in this category! See how you feel about the next two!.

The third episode will drop on the 17th. Thank you for watching!

Understood. Watch all three to make sure you get the full picture.

From previous lectures I’ve seen by Dr Rubin, there are absolutely no contraindications for anything, but it is still worthwhile getting confirmation. You can actually contact a Marodyne retailer or even Dr Rubin himself.

The vibration is so mild in this device it is well tolerated. Part 2 and 3 go further into other models.

@@Dr_DougLucas Can’t wait to hear part 2 and 3! My husband and I both have osteoporosis and would like to find a less expensive model that has the same specs.

Thank you for sharing this. Glad you are here!

Thank you for sharing this!

Did it any effect on Lipedema , appearance ?and weight loss?

I as well. Belinda has another study coming out regarding the effects of using liv. Don't know when it will be out.

Stay tuned for the second and third videos in this series! We will discuss PowerPlate style devices and my conclusion on the research in them.

@@flameofthewest6196 i commented on this topic 'above'.., just heard her today, Dr Beck.., speak that the Maradyne did not show bone rebuilding in their recent research. all were supposed, including Dr Rubin who was among those watching over this study. I was discouraged. They are relooking into this result as to why?!

Thank you so much for sharing all of this. It sounds like you could benefit from the next free Bone Foundations Masterclass we have coming up if you have not attended one before. You can find more information here -->www.optimalhumanhealth.com/build-bone

Seemed like one long sales pitch to me...there are much less expensive options

Thank you @lms2379. I’m not sure how people keep seeing the sales pitch side of this! I’m not selling anything. Dr Rubin may be motivated to sell his product but I don’t hear much of a pitch here. We are simply discussing his extensive experience.

Thank you @lms2379. I’m not sure how people keep seeing the sales pitch side of this! I’m not selling anything. Dr Rubin may be motivated to sell his product but I don’t hear much of a pitch here. We are simply discussing his extensive experience.

Thank you for sharing this!

Thank you for sharing!

Thanks for sharing.

Listen to episode 3 of 3. I agree that his research has not been validated by any other researchers that I’m aware of. I would recommend a higher displacement device like PowerPlate.

I advise consulting with your doctor first on this!

Interesting! Thank you for sharing this.

I've discussed these with my friends at PowerPlate. The issue is consistency and quality. Are they really delivering what they say they are and how is it being delivered? Also, durability of the machines. I think with these devices you get what you pay for. My fear around the less expensive units is that they may be over delivering impact and cause more harm than good. Watch all three videos before making any decisions! You'll see why after the third one!

We need to find less expensive models that advertise the same specifications, and take them somewhere to measure the accuracy of those specs. (Return the plate if it does not pass the test.)

​@@austintoneI am happy with my under $100 vibration machine..there is absolutely no reason to spend $4,000. Also very annoying that this long commercial does not address less expensive machines.

@@austintone That would be very difficult to do! That's my challenge with less expensive devices is that we don't know what you are really getting.

Absolutely do not do the Osteostrong vibration if you have vertigo. They use a powerplate at high g rate and you have to bend your knees to try to stop it going to your head. That is still not enough. I had a terrible experience with Osteostrong vibration plate and suffered vertigo that took a few weeks to settle. I would never go to Osteostrong nor use a powerplate because the vibration is actually harmful as explained here. The power plates on the market are not graded according to the ISO standards and I personally think they should be. The Marodyne does comply with the ISO standards.

Agreed, vertigo or any inner ear issue may be exacerbated by the machines.

I also need to find this out. Thanks for asking about it! I need to find out if it’s safe for people with the pelvic floor issue.

Great question and I’m happy you brought it up. I’m not familiar with this study but I agree this is an important thing to learn more about.

You’ll have to ask your surgeon.

Thank you for sharing this, it is scary!

I hope you' re right...

Just not enough. It helps, but not enough

You need to do stomping in place with the emphasis on the heels of your feet in 25 to 50 sets for vibration to bones

@@loo8458 can't stomp in place I have a rod where my ankle was , Arthrities chewed my ankle away That is why it collapsed ! I couldn't walk for 7mo Surgery , therapy , had to sit around . I had my oseopena Under control until that happen , what I did , to get that under control , fed and watered horses , I carried 32 gallons of water to them Three times a day ! I went and got a dexa scan the Doctor called me , and said I had everything under control , after my foot ankle Broke , things turned for the worst . I'm under attack again . I'm thinking if signing up again for horse care , but I found these two horses I was caring for on the side of the road starving To death in some pasture No food no water ! I took care of them fatten them up I even had people stopping by , offering to help me out financially to care for them , Thoes two horses , God , help us both ! I miss them 🐎 so I got to get going again , I use to feed our ducks at our neighbor hood pond , but I can't get safely into the pond basin to help them . I'm thinking about putting ankle weighs on that will increase weight as I walk about during the day

Walking impacts the hips, but you need to do more if you have osteoporosis in the spine.

I have a vibration for under $100..low intensity.

How long have you had it? Do you have any evidence of improvement? What settings do you use?

Please watch the third in this series to see my recommendations for other plates.

Thank you for sharing this!

Good quality products cost more to manufacture. Take a look at all three videos in this series before making any decisions about purchasing one.

We have a 3 video series on this topic. Wait for the 3rd video if you want the summary!

Listen to part 3. I think you’ll find I dispell this rumor and his concerns effectively.

Checkout our masterclass or health span nation if you have not. We are able answer more specific questions through those platforms. Links for both of those are in the video description :)

Less expensive devices concern me for two reasons. First, they use a teeter totter style machine for the most part. This causes uneven distribution of force and can result in unpredictable results. Secondly, they generally will not be durable. These devices result in a lot of wear and tear.

Regarding joints. I address this in the video but in short you’ll have to ask your surgeon.

I would wait for them to heal. Rubin’s research shows that low amplitude devices can speed up healing but there are other devices to consider for that.

@@Dr_DougLucas Thanks for your response! Would you be able to suggest other devices? Thanks again 🙂

Hi there. I’m not a dental expert so probably shouldn’t speak to this topic.

For sure. Please ask your surgeon when you are cleared to do so. These take a long time to heal but kyphoplasty should speed it up.

Did the paperwork explain why it’s not recommended for people with high blood pressure?

​@@dianeleirer9878sometimes that warning means uncontrolled high blood pressure but if it well controlled the warning may not apply ... But you'd need to check it out ...

No

They will always list anything that could put them at risk. These disorders were likely contraindications for the studies too which is why they didn't have any issues in the studies.

Good question, No it does not :)

Did they ask you your weight when you bought it? I don't know if they do anything about the weight, but I weight 110, sometimes 109, or 107.. and am 5'2" too.. and haven't had that problem of it stopping. I have had an issue with it not recognizing that I have stepped on, so doesn't start. That seems to happen only if I have moved it between sessions. What I did was step off and on again, and if that didn't work I'd turn it off, wait 60 secs, turn it back on again and wait for it to say GO and then END and then go to the standby dot before stepping back on again. Now I have a place for it and keep it off when not using it, wait for the GO, END, and standby before stepping on and haven't had any issues. One time i the middle of a session I had to step off to get the phone in the other room, and it kept going. It is supposed to pause when you step off, but apparently didn't notice (due to lighter weight?) My husband weighs more than you or I and hasn't had these issues, so it is probably the weight.. although he doesn't use it daily like I do. I love using it though. The timing of starting hasn't been lomg enough to compare tests to see if it's helped my bones.. but I love it for other things than my bones anyway.

Thank you. Have you seen improvement on your DEXA?

The Marodyne unit is very sensitive to your standing position on the plate. If you move forward or backwards on your feet, it will stop until you readjust. Perhaps you are not aware that your body is making small movements? You could try holding on to a wall or bench whilst on the machine to see if that keeps you steady in place? Otherwise, I’d check with the retailer in case there is a fault.

My husband ordered it for me, and the authorized distributor asked for my weight but seemed to be concerned about being too heavy and said my weight was fine. My husband weighs over 200 lbs., and it stays on for him for the entire time, which is what led us to conclude it was my low weight. Many times the device does not automatically start when I step on until I shift my weight, and, again, starts vibrating when my husband steps on, so we think it may not be calibrated for a low weight. However, it also sometimes continues to vibrate and count down when I get off midway. We'll now be contacting the distributor, who also services the Marodyne, to see if these issues can be resolved.

As to an update on my bone scan, I haven't had a dexa since 2018, and I went for a bone density ultrasound in 2019, which resulted in a similar determination. I am now looking into R.E.M.S., or Radiofrequency Echographic Multi Spectrometry, which is described as a 'non-ionizing technology that evaluates the bone status at axial skeletal sites by analyzing raw ultrasound signals'.

Hi! We have a third video coming out next week that will summarize everything!

No

I discuss this in all three videos. As an orthopedic surgeon this is very relevant to me! Always check with your surgeon as not all joints are the same. Joints that are cemented in may not be as amenable to joints that require bony ingrowth. Joint replacement was not a contraindication in any of the studies I reviewed.

Hi! If you have not watched the conlusion video for these check that one out. IT is called "Whole Body Vibration for Osteoporosis | CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSION"

Take a look at our third video. My opinion on Marodyne is that it's likely only helpful for those with severe osteoporosis and only on the spine.

You’ll have to ask your surgeon. I have not trained in that procedure.

Thank you ….. unfortunately they advise me strongly against using any vibration platform even years after having lens replacement or cataract surgery, due to reported incidents of detached retinas…. what a shame!

Thank you for sharing this, unfortunately I cannot provide specific recommendations through this platform, I would need to know a little bit more about him as well. Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

Thanks for sharing this!

Hi! We have a third video coming out next week that will summarize everything!

Yes! Stick around for the second and third videos in this series.

We may in the future!

@@Dr_DougLucas you fourth video helped a lot. Thanks!!

Glad you enjoyed it! @@SF-po3ql

Take a look at all three videos in this series and you’ll understand the big picture.

We completely understand! This video is explaining the most recommended plate overall.

Hi! We have a third video coming out next week that will summarize everything!

What control groups often do….. nothing.

Hi! We have a summary video that will be published on Monday!

Yes I have just started on "Marching" exercises where I have to come down hard on my heals. That's why I thought I would like to hear about Vibration plates.

I haven’t seen good data on this. We are creating an impact program now so I’ll know more soon. I’ve also seen protocols with heel drops which seems less traumatic.

Thank you for sharing this, Checkout the conclusion video on my channel called "Whole Body Vibration for Osteoporosis | CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSION"

Low intensity vibration has been shown to differentiate the cells - that’s the whole point of his research!

Stay tuned for all three videos of this series!

I highly recommend speaking with your doctor first. It sounds like you need a customized plan specific to your individual case in terms of exercise and bone building. Checkout our health span nation as well if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. This is similar to things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

Checkout the full summary on my channel called "Whole Body Vibration for Osteoporosis | CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSION"

Oh my gosh … yes, definitely avoid the vibration plate. Even if they reduce the hertz, it’s too much vibration. You could talk to your surgeon’s office for advice? The machine causes your body to shake, not vibrate, so I wouldn’t do it. I got severe vertigo and really sore neck from using the vibration plate at Osteostrong after the one session. Never went back.

@@magpiegirl3783 I guess I was looking for Dr. Doug Lucas to answer, not someone to freak me out, lol!

It depends on which device they have. OsteoStrong is a franchise for their own equipment which does not include a vibration plate. The particular plate at one location may be different than another. The one closest to me has 2 plates, only one of which is safe. If walking is recommended for you and is not a problem, Dr. Rubin says in here that low intensity vibration (1G or less) is fine too (as walking is 1G itself). The Marodyne LiV is 0.4G or 0.3G, so less than half the force of walking. Benefits come from the frequency of the vibration's simularity to what vibration frequency muscles make themseves when in use.

Thank you soooooo much! That makes more sense to me. I will check next time I go in.@@sheryl3268

Gotta ask your surgeon on that one.

Part two is on my channel. It is called "Vibration Therapy for Osteoporosis (Episode 2 of 3) | Interview with Dr. Jason Conviser"

Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

@@Dr_DougLucas Thank You kindly… on my way

I was just checking. On the lowest setting, the lifepro is 1G. Does that mean it's too high? The interview was too meandering for me to follow. I remember something about 0.4G.

Thanks- where did you find that information? At the higher settings do the G’s go up? I will keep using it if it has any positive benefits but certainly don’t want to if it is going to damage my eyes or brain!

I also have a Life Pro and it is a Rumblex 4D that moves in four ways. This is an affordable piece of equipment around $400 that it most likely what the majority of people here could afford, and I am not in a position to spend $3000 for a vibration plate. What would be really helpful is to understand how I can make my Life Pro equipment as effective as it possibly can be made to have the best outcome for osteoporosis. And now I am not even sure whether it is causing damage.

@@gracenotes818 I agree There is always so much conflicting information on what can be helpful or harmful 😞

@@heathercoey4690I have the 4D as well and use the pulsating mode on speed 15, 10 min in the AM & 10 more in the PM, everyday. I use it barefoot & practice my balance. In between I do everything I can to strengthen my skeleton. 🤞 I got these settings from a lady on another forum; 30hz is listed in the manual as speed 15 in pulsating mode.

Thank you for sharing this, unfortunately I cannot provide specific recommendations through this platform, I would need to know a little bit more about you as well. Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

He is a researcher, and most (good) researchers are like that in order to be specific. If you go back and watch the whole thing it should become more clear to you that he is making a distinction between specifics of vibration, as that distinction matters, and matters a lot. Most vibration plates are too strong, however he is claiming his clinical trials, etc have identified not only a safe range, but the most ideal strength for healing and health.

@@sheryl3268 He has published 2 clinical trials and 6 randomized controlled trials. The most relevant is a publication from 2015, with data from a trial with a power plate at 0.3G at 37 hZ, which showed no difference between the treated group and placebo. A trial published in 2017 showed clinically relevant differences, but there was no indication of the frequency and intensity used. If there is a safe range and ideal strength, I'd like to see it published. In the absence of such information this video is just a nice chat, but without any practical use.

He has a vested interest in promoting the maridyne rather than the less expensive models

​@@jacquesmertens3369I'm not sure what source you are using to definitively state that Dr. Rubin has published 2 clinical trials and 6 RCTs, as PubMed is showing at least 15 clinical trials at least 8 of which are RCTs of various kinds. Additionally he has published literally hundreds of articles on various other studies he has done or been involved with. Unsafe levels for vibration have been identified by a multitude of sources, and it is generally thought that forces under 1G (where the low intensity distinction line is) are safe, while those over 1G are considered high intensity. What particular level above 1G is the line between safe and not safe has not been determined for anyone and everyone. What level of high intensity vibration is not safe will depend on the individual's health status and prior conditions. That said the ISO (International Standards Organization) has established and published some levels it considers clearly unsafe for workers. Because the PowerPlate has a range that goes into the high intensities, it is generally thought to be not safe for people with any type of bone fragility, or other condition potentially prone to vibrational damage. In terms of Dr. Rubin's publications and the Power Plate in particular, there is one from 2013 published with two others entitled, "Safety and severity of accelerations delivered from whole body vibration exercise devices to standing adults" that is probably most relevant for your particular question at hand. The discussion includes the text "Two of the three platforms tested, Power Plate and Vibrafit, far exceeded the TLVs established by ISO ISO- 2631, with delivered vibrations not considered safe for even seconds, much less minutes, of daily exposure."

​​@@jacquesmertens3369well, I have tried to post a response a couple of times, every time it increases the reply count and seems to post, but then disappears... trying this shorter empty one to see what happens... that worked, so editing it to add actual response: I'm not sure what source you are using to definitively state that Dr. Rubin has published 2 clinical trials and 6 RCTs, as PubMed is showing at least 15 clinical trials at least 8 of which are RCTs of various kinds. Additionally he has published literally hundreds of articles on various other studies he has done or been involved with. Unsafe levels for vibration have been identified by a multitude of sources, and it is generally thought that forces under 1G (where the low intensity distinction line is) are safe, while those over 1G are considered high intensity. What particular level above 1G is the line between safe and not safe has not been determined for anyone and everyone. What level of high intensity vibration is not safe will depend on the individual's health status and prior conditions. That said the ISO (International Standards Organization) has established and published some levels it considers clearly unsafe for workers. Because the PowerPlate has a range that goes into the high intensities, it is generally thought to be not safe for people with any type of bone fragility, or other condition potentially prone to vibrational damage. In terms of Dr. Rubin's publications and the Power Plate in particular, there is one from 2013 published with two others entitled, "Safety and severity of accelerations delivered from whole body vibration exercise devices to standing adults" that is probably most relevant for your particular question at hand. The discussion includes the text "Two of the three platforms tested, Power Plate and Vibrafit, far exceeded the TLVs established by ISO ISO- 2631, with delivered vibrations not considered safe for even seconds, much less minutes, of daily exposure."

Stat tuned for all three videos!

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Hi! Checkout the second video on my channel and the conclusion video called "Whole Body Vibration for Osteoporosis | CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSION". I discuss this further.