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Ditto with max HP wouldve been INSANE

The most terrifying option i see? Max HP Shuckle In general, i think the best way to go about this challenge is not "what do i make even better" but "what problematic stat can i remove", you gain a lot more bst if you buff the lowest stat of a mon instead of an already high one

Tobin throwing back to back picks. Max sp def eviolite Rhydon would be cracked. Max HP ditto would be INSANE

This was a cool idea but it actually made me realise you could use a similar one for a regular "then we battle" video. Why not - before seeing your starters - declare a stat and you must take whichever starter is best in that stat. EG: Round one you declare "attack" - then turn around and whichever has the highest attack stat you must take it (if it's a tie you choose) and then you've used attack and can't use it again. After doing this once for each stat you have your team.

Imagine Max HP Shuckle or Dusclops Literally, the second coming of Dussy 😂

Tobin: "I feel like his speed is kinda crazy, so why give him speed" Also Tobin: max speed, swift swim Kingdra

Even if electric terrain woke up asleep mons, Landorus wouldn't be woken up because only Grounded pokémon are immune to sleep

Rocky was an MVP because Dylan understood the assignment with it. Buff the weakest stat. Do it correctly and you can make another Dussy.

Everyone talking about the ditto and the cloyster, but dylan not getting a max defense swoobat, which can simple calm mind and then stored power is funny

I think ditto with max hp is probably broken, missed opportunity for the little devil to shine.

Loved the concept. Sad Tobin treated it like a typical fight for half of it. It could’ve been Tobin’s win if he was figuring out which maxed stats were on each Mon based on his damage and yours.

Here are the Max Stat Pokémon I created from your respective starter options: Tobin’s Starters: 255 Sp. Atk. Kingdra: Moves: Dragon Pulse, Scald, Hurricane, Ice Beam. Ability: Swift Swim. Item: Choice Specs. 255 HP Ditto: Moves: Transform. Ability: Imposter. Item: Choice Scarf. 255 Speed Mamoswine: Moves: Earthquake or High Horsepower, Icicle Crash, Rock Slide, Knock Off. Ability: Thick Fat. Item: Choice Band. 255 Attack Sceptile: Moves: Leaf Blade, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Swords Dance. Ability: Unburden. Item: Focus Sash. 255 Defense Grimmsnarl: Moves: Foul Play, Spirit Break, Light Screen, Reflect. Ability: Prankster. Item: Light Clay. 255 Sp. Def. Charizard: Moves: Flamethrower, Roost, Toxic, Defog. Ability: Blaze. Item: Heavy-Duty Boots. Dylan’s Starters: 255 HP Uxie: Moves: Psyshock, Draining Kiss, Nasty Plot, Substitute. Ability: Levitate. Item: Leftovers. 255 Attack Barraskewda: Moves: Liquidation, Close Combat, Crunch, Flip Turn. Ability: Swift Swim. Item: Choice Band. 255 Sp. Atk. Venusaur: Moves: Sludge Bomb, Giga Drain, Earth Power, Weather Ball. Ability: Chlorophyll. Item: Choice Scarf. 255 Defense Centiskorch: Moves: Fire Lash, Leech Life, Power Whip, Knock Off. Ability: Heavy-Duty Boots. 255 Speed Kyurem-White: Moves: Draco Meteor, Freeze-Dry, Fusion Flare or Flamethrower, Roost. Ability: Turboblaze. Item: Life Orb. 255 Sp. Def. Aggron: Moves: Head Smash, Earthquake, Stealth Rock, Protect. Ability: Rock Head. Item: Leftovers.

Honestly yall didn’t meta game this enough it would’ve generally been better to remove a bad stat rather than improving an already good one

Dylan- I got everything right , the next turn, now I’m confused 😂😂

7:01 the fact Tobin got a sceptile after Dylan got a grovyle is wild

Ngl Tobin threw not picking Ditto and maxing HP with imposter. Literally the best Pokémon in the game with that set😂 Edited: Changed Attack to HP

Ditto with max hp Cloyster with max spdef Swoobat at with max fed (and simple calm mind) So many good opportunities missed. Super awesome idea for a video though.

shuckle max hp would be interesting

Tobin threw so hard every turn

Not Tobin missing reads. Fog of War was crazy on this one

Dylan out here cheating cuz Koko does not get moonblast 😢

My best team set up for each player - Tobin: 1. 255 Sp. Def - Rhydon @ Eviolite/Lightningrod, Iron Defense | Body Press | Stealth Rock | Rest 2. 255 HP - Ditto @ Leftovers/Imposter 3. 255 Speed - Cloyster @ King's Rock/Skill Link, Icicle Spear | Pin Missile | Rock Blast | Substitute 4. 255 Atk Salamence @ Wide Lens/Moxie, Dragon Dance | Dual Wingbeat | Dragon Claw | Rock Slide 5. 255 Def - Grimmsnarl @ Eject Button/Prankster, Sunny Day | Body Press | Reflect | Light Screen 6. 255 Sp. Atk - Charizard @ Blunder Policy/Solar Power, Heat Wave | Air Slash | Solar Beam | Focus Blast Dylan: 1. 255 HP - Uxie @ Leftovers/Pressure, Calm Mind | Stored Power | Baton Pass | Foul Play 2. 255 Sp Def - Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry/Intimidate, Parting Shot | Will O Wisp | Snarl | Overheat 3. 255 Def - Venusaur @ Big Root/Overgrow, Leech Seed | Sleep Powder | Toxic | Knock Off 4. 255 Sp. Atk - Tapu Koko @ Choice Scarf/Electric Surge, Volt Switch | Moonblast | Thunderbolt | Grass Knot 5. 255 Speed - Kyurem @ Power Herb/Teravolt, Freeze Shock | Fusion Bolt | Rock Slide | Substitute 6. 255 Atk - Dragapult @ Life Orb/Clear Body, Dragon Dance | Dragon Darts | Sucker Punch | Substitute

Pausing at 2:55 Why would you not choose ditto? 255 hp and he can instantly become something with 255 in another stat

Gotta love Tobin feeding every attacker to its counter and just going “well I guess 255 stats and +2 setup just aren’t very good.”

Dylan going “I actually got all of these right” with almost none of them right 😂😂

I just realised, did he name the Gothitelle "Your It" because of its ability shadow tag? If so, "Shadow tag your it" is awesome naming!

I've seen so many people being critical of choices so I just wanted to say Awesome video. Thank you both for putting in so much work to create entertainment for the people.

Tobin didn't pick possibly the best pokemon possible, Ditto with 255 hp

Tobin made a MAJOR miss not taking the ditto and making it max HP. The HP stat carries over during transform, so a max HP ditto with imposter would just be a free use of two maxed stats. This is also why imposter blissey is run in the almost any ability category. If you transform into something with even a bit of a defensive presence, you become a MONSTER.

This switching to each person to explain their picks and decisions, and the reasons why they make those choices. I love this content, great work!

Genuinely one of the most enjoyable Then We Battle videos you've ever done. A great idea, and with the mons having normal abilities and moves as well it made it such a tactical battle instead of a powerhouse fest. Was so good to watch. Would love more of these!

This is actually the most interesting "and then we battle" video I have seen in a while. I love the "chess factor" it brings to a pokemon battle

Love this style of video, where you each have a moment to talk through your decisions and how you built the pokemon. ❤

One of my favourite videos of the random starters series, it was so interesting to see you guys go into so much details about the strategy!

Yeah honestly fun Identifying their sets generally doesn't matter a damn in these videos but figuring out what they picked (watching you do so I should say) was a unique and interesting twist Would be down to see another episode of this, perhaps with lukey

next time could you randomize the stats you max out or reverse it where you make 1 stat the lowest you can

I love, love, love, LOOOOOOOOOVE this format, please bring this one back, maxed out stat? FUN!

I love love loved this format. All the bois should run videos like this.

Maxed out defense blissey is the first thing I immediately thought of when the rules were read out and I got shivers

Love these videos! Just a heads up guys, I looked it up during the video and Black sludge for a poison type like Venusaur is better than left overs but not by a huge margin. Just friendly facts 😁

I really think due to the format in which starters were chosen it made this the most competitive and entertaining then we fight video yet across all the boys channels.

I would love to see someone fuse blissey and shuckle with stamina lol since I just watch the fusion video with dussy

I hope we see more videos like this in the future. They're many great options for all these stats in both Sw/Sh and Sc/Vi. Here's some from each stat that would either stand out or be fun for me personally. HP-Shadinja, Shuckle, and Ditto ATK-Tinkaton, Jirachi, Mightyena, or any other physical attacker who needs a better ATK stat DEF-Blissey, Assault Vesters, and Eviolite mons SP-ATK - Mew, Porygon 2, and Sheerforcers SP-DEF - Kartana, Assult Vesters, and Eviolite mons like DEF SD-Dracovish, Arctizolt, and Pokémon with few good priority moves Some of these can be swapped around like Dracovish into ATK or Mightyena into Speed, but I feel these could be fun.

mamoswine and landorus "You have one ground type for my immunity on volt switch"

i have an idea for a future video! you blindly choose your starter and you get to rearrange the bst of the final evolution (with some rules like min. 50 in each max. 150)

I'm always happy to see my friend Maractus. Not a great or popular mon, but it's too precious for how rarely it's been in game.

I kinda wished someone had gotten a Pokémon with a good Special move pool but no Special Attack to finally make it work :D Nobody would expect a Gyarados to hit with devastating Thunderbolts

I like when yall can talk while playing

now imagine blissy with max hp and max Defence... that thing would be a god

I love that you have some videos where you mute the opponent and try to guess what their thinking without them giving hints. You have to do one of these with Shady. The mind games would be crazy.

Very happy to see you still doing a lot of amazing videos! Hope you keep having more success in the future! 😄

You picked kabutops over uxie with 255 special attack! Such a bulky pokemon, pretty fast as well. Man this game idea is amazing, so many different things to do! Okay it was the first pick of stat, I thought you would have to choose in the end, it makes sense to think a bit about it

I really feel the “I’ve missed you” from Tobin 😂

YOU LIVE AND LEARN! ( 13:25 )

I was sooo sad to see Tobin pass on the Rhydon: 120 Def, 105 HP, Max SpDef with Eviolite? Respectable attack at 130... coulda been a menace. Slow as molasses but even tanks would feel frail compared to it. Edit: Also Max HP ditto pass?

Loved this video. I would like to see this one more. Thank you.

I really liked this video idea! Would love to see this again

so, i had an idea. do a video like this, like a really similar one. but if you can guess the correct changes at the end on every mon, you get an advantage the next time you both battle. like an illegal move, or any ability

I like this type of video it’s slightly different from the norm everyone does but gives that homie vibe ❤

I think it would be interesting if you did this style again but throughout the battle if you call out the persons boosted stat correctly, they have to tell you what their next move is or something. It’s so easy to mix up HP for D/SpD so it would be difficult. Maybe you only get to call each stat once and if it’s wrong the person doesn’t tell you anything so you can’t cross anything off the list?

"I wish electric terrain woke me up." It does. Landorus is a flying type.

Anyone else screaming at Tobin to pick Ditto! It would of been so broken with max HP

this idea would be so scary with shuckle raising his attack to the max

You guys should take more formats from Pokémon showdown OMs! I would love to see you guys try things like inheritance, full potential, and all those fun formats

26:30 no Xs on the dead mons Either way keep up the great work editors, Tobin, and Dylan

Tobin using the wrong “you’re” on Gothitelle is giving me a visceral reaction of discontent.

Shedinja with Max HP would’ve been HYSTERICAL

Another amazing video, Thank you for all the hours of entertainment ❤

this is my new favorite idea for a then we fight now

Dylan thinking he figured out all the stats was tooo funny. Amazing mind games in this one!

Love this concept please do more!!

I need more videos like this. Dylan, if you read this, make another please 🙏🏻

I would've loved to see Dylan use huge power max attack mawile, it gets sucker punch priority and would've been an absolute nightmare

Ditto would actually have been an amazing choice since it copies all opponents stats but keeps HP so Tobin could have went max HP and transformed into one of Dylan's mons and have 2 maxed stats

Max speed Rhydon would've been insane. It has crazy attack and eviolite makes it insanely bulky.

Great video idea please do again, an idea opponent picks which you have to use with out seeing your pokemon.

Hear me out, DUSSY with max hp would be hilarious

The fact Tobin didnt go with an HP max Ditto is CRIMINAL

would've gone cloyster for spdef...180 base defense plus 255 base spdef...even with a low 50 base hp, he'd be the bulkiest wall ever

The uxie would have been interesting if it was built in physical or special attack as it gets the elemental punches for one and good coverage for two not to mention its bulky too

I think they should have changed the rules so whilst you get to pick your starter, the other player gets to pick the stat boost without knowing what the mon is. The one rule being that you have to max every stat atleast once so you won't just end up with 6 sp def boosted mons

Super cool idea and video😁👍! A couple things I would’ve changed(everyone’s a critic, right?) Pokemon at level 50 with best, objectively, natures and double the highest stat but half the lowest stat🤔. Also, have a pencil and paper next to you so you can guess which stats(in this case) you would guess right! I’m not saying there’d be a reward for guessing right or wrong, aside from pride lol. Dylan was really spot on in this video which kinda surprised me! I definitely wouldn’t have been able to guess those. I also wouldn’t have chosen to raise the same stats. Pokemon players come in all shapes and sizes. 😉

I want to see what would happen if you played against each other, but with actual VGC strategies in double battles

I'd say do this idea again, but with fusion pokemon's as i think some of the fusions could be broken in the best way

The next few videos based on this idea, all stats maxed out(1), one stat minimum/minimized(2), and the third video could be all stats are minimum

Game Idea Cheat Opponent choses pokemon based off gen only. Team of 6. Heres the thing. While making the team, you can do any ability or any move..... however during the battle if youre called out for an illegal move/ability then the Opponent gets to choose your next move. If youre wrong you tell the Opponent what youre doing. So you need to be careful how you build your team and hope you have good knowledge.

i gotta say, not going with atk/spa on kingdra and excadrill and making them absurdly threatening weather sweepers was kind of a misplay

Fun video idea I thought of, not sure how possible it is but what if you could take your randzomized starters and change one of its typings. So you could take Lugia and make it the Flying Water it should have been for example. But you cant add the same typing to multiple pokemon so you arent able to load fairy or ghost onto every mon

"I don't want to risk it" This guy has the npc gameplan 😂 no predictions allowed

2:52 Huge miss Max Hp Imposter Ditto would be awesome!!

Cut the boys some slack 😭😭 it’s just a vid for fun everyone here talking about how Tobin threw his picks

I usually don't like regular human names for pokemon, but Jared on Venasaur kinda fits. Its like when your Uncle goes by his middle name cause his first name is Venasaur

That little graphic with the mons over their stat was so clutch

Dylan thinking he got everything right with what Tobin chose for stats is insanely funny to me 😂

please do more of these it was so much fun!!!

Picking speed on a mon with swift swim is an insane throw, ngl.

Would love to see more of this kind of challenge

It makes me happy that we all thought of shuckle

I like how even if electric terrain can wake up sleep mons it doesn't matter because landorus is not on the ground