day 1000000000000000000000000000000000000 of asking you to cover raggedy ann.... pretty pretty please???

We're getting close to Beauty and the Beast's 30th anniversary on Broadway. Is that something you are going to cover this year?

they need to go back to animated musicals. I would love hadestown to be animated.

Mines beetle juice

When I was a teenager I wasn’t really into the live action musicals, I mean grew with the Disney renaissance with their music, but hadn’t really discovered a musical that I like and get immersed in.

Lol this sounds like something a musical theater person would say.

it's so profound, because I too thought that musicals just weren't my jam until I watched Starkid

yeah, this phrases it pretty well. by minimizing the racism and homophobia of the students at the school, it kind of does a disservice to all the queer and poc kids watching now. of course removing things like nonsensical asian names is definitely a needed change, but i feel like pretending gen z is chill with everyone who's different doesn't reflect the reality (source- im a zoomer)

Giving Janice and Damien romantic interests felt like box checking more than anything else. We don't know their names or anything about them or their relationships, just that they had a romantic interest. It felt very superficial. There were a lot of characters from the original that could have been developed as well. @@MB-og3dw

Meanwhile, Gen Z grew up on the original

@@MB-og3dwdo you really want a bunch of white (primarily straight) writes to write a bunch of racist homophobic shit?

@@MB-og3dwso we’re just ignoring that the main point of Janice being an outcast because she was framed as a lesbian who was a predator to her straight friends? That’s a pretty big part of the narrative

Yeah! It would be like “Does the Dog Die” but for movie musicals

Exactly!!

Agree! I'm not anti-musical but not knowing that Wonka was one really negatively affected my view of it.... despite listening to certain songs from the soundtrack on repeat.

Felt the same for The Color Purple.

really? i got the opposite vibe. the choreography was great, at least compared to something like dear even hansen. it wasnt afraid to be a movie adaptation of a musical adaptation of a movie

yes, that version sucks! it worked so well on Broadway with the jokes having time to land, the movie version is so rushed and although i liked the new instrumental (it reminded me of Warblers from Glee), the lyrics lost all their fun

Likely regardless of Angourie being an excellent actress, she has a significantly smaller vocal range than the original score required. Presumably the same reason Apex Predator was reworked to be Damian and Janis, and why the ‘girl that doesn’t even go there’ ends up singing the finale.

Not that its more mainstream, that it fits the medium - film is different from stage and songs like Stupid with Love and It Roars does not fit the vibe at all. Both those songs sound too Disney.

I remember I listened to “Stupid with Love” for SO LONG because it felt very relatable and it’s a banger but the new one is so lifeless 😭

I liked this version of stupid with love it seemed more dreamy/having a daydream kinda feeling & how she was just feeling that as a vibe in it. It goes well with the visual in my opinion.

I really hoped when Hamilton proshot did so well that they'd continue down that line with other ones. But sadly that momentum seemed to have died too.

Tick tick boom was really good

But sometimes you get films like In the Heights. Where certain sequences take advantage of the film medium to create spectacle the stage could never hope to achieve. Case in point: 96,000.

I was just about to say, in the heights movie was absolutely phenomenal. When done right, and with the right material, by a crew who wants to honour the fact that it is a musical, they can def be good.

@@MK-gv1wd Not really! Since Hamilton we've got proshots from Come from away, Six, Waitress, Heathers, Everyone's talking about Jamie and Anything Goes (I think that's all, but they might be more)

Absolutely!! The biggest lesson should be, don’t spend close to the budget of the first iron man movie for a movie musical 😅

The numbers are so unimaginative at times I swear I thought they were being UNDER-funded.

Omgggg that's amazing! How long were they there filming for? Can you add more details that seems seriously cool!

That’s so fetch 🩷

Yo that is so cool!!

@@litehouseaj2394 I think it was about 2, 3 months? It was pretty short. But it was filmed at a catholic high school some friends of mine went to, that had just closed the previous year. There was a lot locally that was done. Friends of mine were even tasked with making fake art projects and took fake class photos that would go on to “dress up” the classroom sets. And heard from friends of mine that worked as extras, all the main actors were very kind and professional but apparently Angourie and Auli'i were the most socialble and talkative to everyone.

That reminds me of when Janis and Damian saw Ms. Norbury at Janis’ job in the original movie 😂

She probably wouldn’t put anything less than 80 dollars on her face.

I think this movie was made more modern but relatable. I notice instantly it was word for word. It felt weird but the way the music captures the emotion of the moments and how the transition were used I loved.

Same i was like regina is rich why is she using elf? Like she’s gonna use products no one else can get not affordable products

Regina looks more like a cool mom than a popular highschool girl

Exactly! I don’t feel like the performance of movies released at that time can be properly judged. Nobody was going out yet. And ITH was released for streaming on the same day, that’s how I watched it 🤷🏼‍♀️

The last big successful musicals were probably La La Land & Greatest Showman? And I’d argue it’s because they are very good introductions to the genre

In the Heights wasn’t even a success on HBO Max so I find it hard to blame Covid for it

@@sketchycat6223outside of Disney of course. Wonka is doing very well

@@sketchycat6223Yeah. Not to mention they were original works. They had nothing to compare themselves to; blank slate.

The Color Purple isn't released yet in Australia and I absolutely want to see it. I don't entirely agree with people that say these movies aren't shown to be musicals in their advertising when they literally show clips of everyone dancing and such from their musical numbers in it even if it has dialogue playing instead of the song, they are still clearly musical parts, plus the title for Mean Girls literally has a musical note on it, and Wonka's synopsis that theatres use and such mentions that its a "mix of music and magic"

This comment was how I found out that TCP has been released already. In my country it won’t be released until February 8. Can’t wait to see it.

@@MissCalaMari same here, I didn't know some countries already had it until I read the comments of this video

I didn't even know it was out yet!

and youre not gonna trick people into liking musicals! 😂lmao, people who dont like them REALLY dont like them.

I loved tick tick boom❤

Agreed!!

So true!! Like there’s Legally Blonde then there’s Chicago or Hamilton! There’s so many AMAZING musicals!!

this is hilariously inaccurate 😂

@@NIGHTGUYRYANwhy are you on a channel about musicals if you don’t like them 💀

When the trailers for Wonka first came out I remember multiple clips of singing and dancing. Not trying to be rude I just remember being suprised people didn’t know Wonka was going to be a musical

There was one (the first one I think) that did not. And the internet being what it is nowadays, I'll just bet that people more likely to like musicals got the one with singing and dancing in their social media feed, and the people who don't care about musicals did not.

The first trailer I saw for it in front of Barbie had absolutely no indication it was a musical

In that regard, and I totally agree with you, The Color Purple was a lot less subtle, especially in correlation to obvious big group musical numbers.

We'll see, I can't remember who is directing but hopefully it's not someone hyper-focused on "realism".

@@andieallison6792 I just looked, and it’s Jon M. Chu, who is known for Crazy Rich Asians and In The Heights. I’m feeling pretty good about this.

They need to stop trying to excuse villains for being who they are or doing the things they do.

Someone can be a victim and a villain - that's the nature of human existence, duality is a part of wholeness. No one is able to be "good" all the time. Good is also a matter of perspective. Like you might think that you *know* what is right and what is wrong and that your enforced opinions of those moral perspectives make you a "good person" and I conversely might assume from those actions that you're a judgy, probably controlling person with a fragile ego who needs therapy. Perspectives are personal and enforcing yours doesn't matter to anyone but you.@@sorafanchick

@@PhimbleG-d Yeah, but being a victim does not excuse harming other people. This is the problem with most movies today. They are trying to soften the villains, as if what they did is not so bad even if it scars another for life. It leaves the idea that people should not be responsible for their own actions and should always use the victim card to cover up their crimes or wrongdoing. If your actions are directly harming someone else this is when there needs to be a more balanced mind. It's odd to expect others to give you a pass when you are treating others poorly and making others a victim. I'm not going to give a r*pist a pass just because he was abused a a child. He literally harmed someone else and made someone else a victim with him. Yet, stories today will try to normalize this, taking away the purpose and meaning behind why those stories mean something to humanity in the first place.

OMFG are you telling me SOME PEOPLE ARE BAD?! I CANNOT BELIEVE IT. I HAVE NEVER BEEN TREATED BADLY IN MY WHOLE LIFE... I HAD NO IDEA! HOW COULD YOU BURST MY BUBBLE (with your pseudo intellectual fad sociological victim branding)? THIS IS SARCASM ! ! ! TRY TO UNDERSTAND. Just because being a victim is fashionable right now doesn't make you or your cause worthy. Read some philosophy. I'm sorry bad things happen BUT YOU DO BAD THINGS TOO. We're all victims, we're all villains THAT'S HUMANITY. Get a clue - I don't care what you think - you might like to think if I'm arguing I do care but I just like arguing - and you like EVERYONE have done others damage. Intentionally or unintentionally. Wake up, you are a victim and a villain as much as anyone else and if you think you aren't try actually talking to people, no one goes through life easy, everyone suffers, you're not innocent - not least for judging others or pushing false moral narratives. If you ever bother to actually study morality you'll find it's a matter of opinion. Try Nietzsche - you won't like it (or likely understand it) but you need it. Your personal morality like your overblown opinions are your own. Stop pushing them on others. You might find some cluster of people to become your victim echo chamber but all that does is create social divides. You accomplish NOTHING by making yourself "morally superior" to others - other than division. Go live on your little victim island if that's what you SO DESPERATELY want. But don't think art or culture should care about you. Art is about expressing things that can't easily be said at it's best it's complex and whole - not a one-sided BOO HOO POOR ME narrative.@@sorafanchick

you didnt know Wonka is a musical? the trailer shows scenes that are obvious musical numbers and the original movie was quite musical. Same with Mean Girls that showed some of the musical scenes in the trailer and also has a musical note in the title logo

@@Ranga3595if there is no singing in the trailer, I think it’s pretty understandable to not think a movie is a musical. It could just be a grand scene from the movie, not a dance number. I didn’t know Wonka was a musical and I LOVE musicals. I just thought it was another pointless remake.

@@LaurenLaass it showed big dance numbers, some with characters mouths moving like singing or long notes, and the description mentions its "a mix of music and magic". also, the trailers and marketing show its a prequel to the original

on the reverse - i would have seen mean girls or wonka if they weren't musicals - but id be pissed if i went out of my way to see a movie and it turned out to be a musical. a musical is a very specific and very polarizing genre - people like to know what they are paying for. that being said, the entire discussion of this movie since the first trailer revolved around it being a musical - it is odd they didnt market it as a musical, but the fans of the broadway show made it very clear that this was not the mean girls for me, lol. (i appreciate the hustle, its just not for me).

I had no idea wonka was a musical until I saw it in theaters. I was definitely surprised when they started singing.

This is a fair point hahaha it's mainly just a little teaser for what's to come next week :P

@@WaitintheWings oh? 👀

In the Heights was on HBO Max and wasn’t even a success there

@@Danbo22987but HBO Max is America only, isn’t it? You definitely can’t access it here at least. So in terms of global numbers which is what they’re looking at, it’s still going to be cinema numbers that matter the most I would think.

@@Danbo22987 that isn't indicative of anything.

@@Danbo22987Such a niche platform. If it had been on Disney+ or Netflix, we might have a more representative result.

I do think that there are other factors at play, but I also think that it’s fair to ignore Disney’s animated films when looking at the data as an outlier. The truth is that general audiences treat animation differently than they do live action. There is still a mentality amongst general audiences that animation is “for kids”, and it’s why most animated projects are either 1. Produced on children’s networks, or 2. An adult comedy series Ala the Simpsons or family guy. While we are now seeing more dramatic animated series dedicated to adults, they usually are adjacent to communities that enjoy anime (invincible appealing to comic fans, and Castlevania appealing to gamers), so it’s not as much of a shift to them. To say that Disney musicals are treated equally to other musicals means to ignore the general audience’s attitudes towards animation, especially Disney. Heck, Disney even tried to make a live action musical with the film “Newsies”, which bombed hard at the box office but did very well when adapted to Broadway. Mary Poppins is probably Disney’s most highly profited musical, but that was also the 60’s when they were still popular. Times have changed amongst general consumers. While there is some truth that the studio executives aren’t entirely right, there is enough evidence to show that they know what they’re doing. In 2007, the film “Sweeney Todd” was heavily advertised as a horror film about a barber that kills people. It generated a decent profit, but shocked audiences when it became widely known it was a musical. While you could argue that it damaged the audiences trust, it at least managed to make a profit, which is better than many other musicals that advertised themselves as such. Like I said, I think you are partially right, but there is a clear pattern from the past 30 years. I disagree with your claim about in the heights, as general audiences didn’t know that, plus a lot of people in the comments are praising the film still. I think Covid is a bigger factor than that, as every film suffered, but you can’t ignore the history and how a majority of musicals not marketed as musicals tend to do better than those marketed as such.

⁠@@phabiorulesOf course Covid was a factor with In The Heights and other films released around the same time. But cutting out the odd writing choices made for the film adaptation also ignores what has been really swiftly cutting many movies down; word of mouth. With many things getting a straight to streaming ticket at the time, word of mouth hinges on if folks check something out. And ITH had terrible feedback. So did Dear Evan Hansen. And Cats. And West Side Story, which has *always* had so many issues that non-white audiences have historically panned. There are exterior factors. With how recently Encanto songs took over radio play, regardless if people see animation as a “mature” medium or not, Disney films have kept theatrical musicals kicking. That’s the litmus here. The only real difference between the “successful” musicals that did not boast their true genre is that a majority of them are original IP with nothing to compare them to.

It’s crazy that wonka is still out in theaters but I can’t watch The Color Purple anywhere after it was out for two weeks. I also can’t find it in any of my theaters. Oh well I guess I can buy it on Amazon video and just watch it at home. At least I was smart enough to invest in a nice set of speakers for my tv so it won’t be too bad. 😅

as someone whose a bigger fan of the mean girls stage musical, it was kinda disappointing and sad to me to see what odd changes they did with the score for the movie (stupid with love is probably my biggest issue with the changes for me). but this is all just my opinion, i'm so glad other people have different opinions on this that differ from my own

THIS. Honestly a musical movie can’t win over both “sides” so easily and this one definitely didn’t. Not marketing it as a musical will make people who don’t like musicals feel scammed and give it bad reviews while toning down the songs so much like they did just make liking it real hard for people who like musicals. They just wanted the money I guess.

Can i join your friend list? You guys sound like fun😁

I need friends like this

This sounds like a lot of fun, but throwing popcorn around so theater workers have to clean it up? Come on.

Do you clean up that popcorn confetti?

Yes, we do.@@bex1107

yes! i genuinely enjoyed the lightning thief musical, it showed that it cared about the source material and understood its audience (young kids and young adults who love the original series) implicitly. the musical has a lot of really good character work, too, even for characters like luke castellan who don’t get their motivation genuinely understood until the later books… the good kid reprise in last day of summer gives me CHILLS every time i listen to

@@sareizareads me too! ugh james hayden rodriguez just SELLS it every time!

He knew and he was cooking

@@Kai-rc7fw i must be the oracle of delphi with how i predicted it 2 weeks before it dropped

*How to make me tear up in a Panera part 1*

@@WaitintheWings 😂😂💖💖💖

MickeyJoTheater is the only other consistent theater channel I have found so far

I was like..who tf is Kendra??

@@rachaellarson842same LOL

i'll just add - the musical number in addams family values and the movie waiting for guffman really crack me up - but i feel like they're making fun of musicals? does that count? i guess i like them when they're trying to be bad lol.

this line change was frustrating cus the original line was just “sponsored by….no one” which i personally think is a better joke, but no, they had to squeeze in one more sponsorship i guess. all the love for lindsay lohan tho, we were hyped when she showed up

I can't believe more people from the original didn't make the time to do cameos. Seeing Lindsay Lohan host the math competition was sweet! @@lustforlimerence

Ah drats. You got me there.

Absolutely recommend you see TCP in theaters!!!!

I agree. I really enjoyed the film as well, honestly it was one of those films that you can tell was originally going to go straight to streaming but I’m glad it got a theatrical release.