Were Mistakes Made? Radeon RX 7900 GRE Review Update
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Video Index
00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
00:36 - Why a re-review of the re-review of the review?
02:32 - Resident Evil 4
03:35 - A Plague Tale: Requiem
04:03 - Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty
04:15 - Dying Light 2: Stay Human
04:43 - Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered
05:31 - Hogwarts Legacy
06:10 - The Last of Us Part 1
06:41 - Starfield
07:10 - Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 3
07:34 - Alan Wake 2
08:03 - Watch Dogs: Legion
08:27 - Hitman 3
09:10 - 1440p Average
09:43 - 4K Average
10:08 - Cost Per Frame [1440p]
10:42 - Cost Per Frame [4K]
10:54 - Final Thoughts + TechPowerUp Results
Were Mistakes Made? Radeon RX 7900 GRE Review Update
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@jumpman1213 Місяць тому
The 7900GRE is artificially limited. The card is allowed to pull only 260W at stock, when the nearly identical 7900XT is 320W TBP and still demanding more. VRAM is also limited to 18Gbps, despite the fact the memory chip itself is rated for 20Gbps. It seems as though the AIBs are also not allowed to alter anything spec wise besides power limit.
@vadski3469 Місяць тому
All we can hope for at this point is that they increase the oc limits
@martinholm317 Місяць тому
This is just a common practice these days, it's the same reason nvidias cards are all bios-locked.
@Glebanakonda921 Місяць тому
You should also note that 7900xt has 1 more chiplet(?) while having similar total cores as GRE, so there may be diminishing returns of how dence should chiplets be packed and don't forget about temps ~23% power difference feels to be a big limiting factor, but looking at temperatures, higher chiplet density could cause overheating which is why AMD limited their reference model to 260watts
@St0RM33 Місяць тому
doesn't morepowertool work on 7000 series?
@nialloftara5909 Місяць тому
Don't forget that the memory bus for the GRE is based on the 7800 XT sharing the 256bit 16 gig vs the 7900xt's 320 bit 20gig
@Ruben98RaptoR Місяць тому
This what makes Hardware Unboxed so great. When they find discrepancies they dig even deeper to keep consumers informed.
@w00t692 Місяць тому
He didn't even need to dig he said exactly what he thought the problem was outright at the beginning of the video and then he did the video to prove that what he said was true. It's cool to see but it was a waste of his time.
@stansid3326 Місяць тому
Not just that, but he is the only channel that did it properly to begin with. Comparing an AIB OC 7900 GRE to a reference 7800 XT, like other channels did, and coming up with +15% +20% improvements is misleading and scammy as hell. If anything, it's the other channels that should make clarification videos explaining their garbage, unfair data. Like for like comparisons should be a standard, period.
@happybuggy1582 Місяць тому
10:19 this chart tho, nitro cards are generally $100 more than stock. With that i rather get the base 4070Ti super, or asus dual, inno3d version. Coolers should not cost $100 more no matter how great.
@veilmontTV Місяць тому
@w00t692 confirming isn't a waste of time. These guys are pretty awesome. I do hate how knob slobby that sounds but it's true
@tomstech4390 Місяць тому
@@happybuggy1582 "i rather get the base 4070Ti super, or asus dual, inno3d version." Are you sure about that? Cheapest of each. -7900gre ASRock Chall oc: £533.98 -7900 GRE XFX MERC: £538 -7900 GRE Sapphire PURE: £539.99 RTX4070ti super Zotac gaming Trinity: £769.99 ...you'd pay 43.3% more for the cheapest 4070Ti super they can stick a 16 pin on?
@TerraWare Місяць тому
I find the GRE to be a very strange product with how they've nerfed the memory to hold back those 80 RDNA 3 compute units. It's like it behaves more like an overclocked 7800XT with 60 CU's than and 80 CU card a lot of the time.
@shaun1243 Місяць тому
Agreed. It's an odd choice to nerf it like that. The GRE should be on the heels of the 4070 Ti Super. I do wonder how much influence the 18Gbps memory has when you consider the 64MB of infintiy cache, which is identical to the 7800 XT. I think they should've at least included another 20MB or so of cache if they wanted to keep the memory down at 18Gbps. Wouldn't make up for it entirely, but it'd make more sense.
@timiko4 Місяць тому
@@shaun1243 but you can't just `include another 20MB` of cache without retaping and refreshing N31 chip or at least MCD part of it (totally not cost efficient doing if for one card, this stuff usually doesn't change through generation) you have 16MiB cache per MCD - so 7900GRE 4 active MCD (256bit) - 4x 16MiB = 64MiB 7900XT 5 active MCD (320 bit) - 5x 16MiB = 80MiB 7900XTX 6 active MCD (384 bit) 6x 16MiB = 96MiB
@Krymzonnet Місяць тому
This way it's much cheaper to manufacture. Fewer MCDs, smaller packaging, less (and likely much cheaper due to Hynix!) vram... And some of these main dies (estimates vary around 40-90%) they'd otherwise need to throw away
@GewelReal Місяць тому
It's bandwidth starved + very power limited
@TerraWare Місяць тому
@@timiko4 Thanks for the breakdown. I get it, they are trying to offer a level of performance for a price. Just the enthusiast in me finds it a bit odd. Whats also odd is how they've limited overclocking the memory. They've cornered those 80 CU's with extreme prejudice lol.
@JohannesDahl42 Місяць тому
I noticed the GRE in your tests being slightly worse than in what some others found, and didn't find it to be a problem -- you were explicit about testing the reference models. This update is thus an excellent addendum to an already good review. It would be interesting to see how much the 7900 XT benefits from an AIB treatment as well, but you obviously can't test everything.
@zodwraith5745 Місяць тому
The problem with those other reviews is they ARE using those OC AIB cards but aren't mentioning that they aren't even close to MSRP. Nitro+ cards usually cost 10% more while not being 10% faster, making them a worse value. I find it disingenuous for those other reviewers to claim $550 when they're using the Nitro+ cards that sapphire sent out.
@Trisstan20 Місяць тому
@@zodwraith5745 on other hand, i am seeing basic OC models (Sapphire Pulse OC) for MSRP and they doing pretty good in reviews
@AStickOnCheese Місяць тому
The presentation, editing and voice-over for the graphs is perfect. It was easy to understand the differences you highlighted without pausing. I'm pointing this out because I sometimes struggle to follow other reviews with the same density of data.
@grievesy83 Місяць тому
I expect that the bulk of differences in review results can be attributed to game selection. GN had better overall results for the GRE, but their game selection for testing is wildly different to HUB. So how do consumers proceed? Average the averages in the reviews! Personally, I put more stock in the game types than the averages - I don't play competitive titles, I play single player RP style games. So I look for performance in that category. Good on you Steve for this re-re-review. Your integrity and commitment to fair results is commendable!
@sirmonkey1985 Місяць тому
perfect example of why it's good to look at as many reviews as you can. if everyones just benchmarking the same games in every review then you don't get the whole picture of performance.
@defeqel6537 Місяць тому
@@sirmonkey1985 there is also the possibility of not worrying about a few percentage points
@jondasek Місяць тому
I guess, the game selection, but if you look at the Digital Foundry video, in Plague Tale Requiem 1440p Ultra, the GRE is 9% faster than the 4070 Super while in the HUB video the 4070S is faster. In Cyberpunk in DF's video the GRE is faster than 4070S, while in HUB's video they're basically on par. So it's always crucial to watch many reviews if you're planning to buy a GPU. Even when HUB tested the Nitro+ version, their results are still different than GN or DF, and the conclusion is different too...
@NakushitaNamida Місяць тому
Or chose the review that has a game selection closer to what you like. As long the methodology is good , you can swap reviewer. Gamer Nexus and HUB are always a safe bet , though i prefer HUB because they agregate 1080p , 1440p and 4k data
@timmyjohns222 Місяць тому
GN is also still using a 12700k for benchmarks too which hurts NVidia gpu's more!
@blackmage4100 Місяць тому
A re-test re-test is needed with the new drivers unlocking the VRAM OC.
@haj_endot Місяць тому
the increased power target explains why they decided to give the pulse model three fans for a chip with a nominal tdp slightly lower than the 78xt's two-fan pulse card. this is actually really interesting! thank you as always for the Good Bar Graph Talkies!
@johntotten4872 Місяць тому
Just as a heads up, the Sapphire Nitro + RX 7900 GRE is $580 on Newegg. The RX 7800 XT model is $530.
@manoftherainshorts9075 Місяць тому
GRE is a no-brainer then.
@MMK86 Місяць тому
its a $50 difference between the two around here as well....I have a feeling the 7800 XT might get a price drop soon
@paulmueller100x Місяць тому
Not really. 10% more expensive, 7% faster. What's a no brainier abt that?@@manoftherainshorts9075
@tomstech4390 Місяць тому
In the UK the sapphire pure and xfx merc versions are like £538. So about the same as the very lowest end 4070 and some higher end 4060Ti! They're gonna sell out everywhere.
@tadejdanev5030 Місяць тому
in europe at least 650€
@eli72481 Місяць тому
Woahhh AMD is gonna loosen the OC limits a bit?? Excited to see what a 7900 gre can do when it’s tuned.
@vadski3469 Місяць тому
I didn't know they would be doing this, I am excited AF!
@Frozoken Місяць тому
LET'S GOOOOO (rare amd not disappointing us moment)
@mikidof Місяць тому
curious to see what it can do if someone manages to get a modified vbios running on the GRE
@Fezzy976 Місяць тому
if they allow the power limits to go upto 300-320W this could allow for better clocks probably around the 2.3-2.5GHz and allow memory to run at 20Gbps this all should massively improve performance. At least 10% more performance than current benchmarks, if not 15%+
@GewelReal Місяць тому
Never. They locked the overclocking down heavily pretty much just after RX 7900 XTX dropped
@0002pA Місяць тому
It's been YEARS since AIB cards were significantly faster than the stock card, like in this case. Thanks for this follow-follow-up!
@Trisstan20 Місяць тому
it always surprise me how good nitro + 6800 XT is doing in GN tests
@omnisemantic1 Місяць тому
The one really important thing just thrown out there at 13:36 lol Thanks for letting us know Steve ^^
@AndyViant Місяць тому
Thanks for picking that up. It's honestly suggesting that close to full 7900XT might be available on the silicon lottery
@depth386 Місяць тому
Steve I’m so sorry to see you had this issue with your review methodology. However for a win here, I love how you have explained the % going from Reference to Reference, Nitro+ to to Nitro+, and Reference to Nitro+. That’s actually super informative and goes a step further than even TechJesus himself. So this is an absolute killer of a “set the record straight” update video. I love it. This is the kind of thing that makes me refer friends and family contemplating builds or upgrades to your channel. Keep on keeping on, King Steve.
@haroldbartlett2944 Місяць тому
Thanks for the 2nd look! BTW, Daniels video this morning on the 7900 GRE Hellhound were interesting. I think the 7900 GRE is the card I've been looking for for my VR rig.
@Bang4BuckPCGamer Місяць тому
Sapphire Nitro+ is one of the best Air Cooled GPU's I have ever owned.
@pinakmiku4999 Місяць тому
Yes and it costs $50 more!
@Bang4BuckPCGamer Місяць тому
"Worth only 50 pounds more". It's worth every penny. Better Coolimg, better performance. Easy on the ears at 70% fan speed too.
@lodevandenberg5361 Місяць тому
@@Bang4BuckPCGamerAnd it looks absolutely beautiful!
@100500daniel Місяць тому
Get the Hellhound instead, less expensive and nearly identical
@tourmaline07 Місяць тому
@@pinakmiku4999 I paid an extra £150 for a MSI Suprim X 4080 Super , and it's worth it in lower fan speeds and lower noise , as well as being a nice bit of design. The nearest nVidia equivalent to Nitro+ IMO.... just wish Sapphire and Powercolor would start making Geforce models ;)
@evenAndre Місяць тому
Thanks for going the extra mile. Keeps me coming back :)
@Usaji_ Місяць тому
I actually didn’t knew about the lengths you guys go to test base specs I really appreciate that, often you see only people comparing wildly different levels of board partners, you guys do a great job congrats
@KaSTeTo0 Місяць тому
It seems that you have found the best candidate for comparing versions of the same product from different manufacturers
@marrow94 Місяць тому
Thanks for the new tests
@empathy_ggs Місяць тому
Thank you for revisiting this as I was also getting a little confused with the data that every one was sharing about the card.
@HoozahYK Місяць тому
Congrats on 1 mil!!
@seppomuppit Місяць тому
Love the attention to detail in your videos. Keep it up.
@JOEBR0NI Місяць тому
Dang, I liked seeing the top end from previous lines still being included so we have a reference for those of us still on AMD 6xxx and Nvidia 3xxx series. Didn't expect the whole line up, but it was nice to see the 6950 and 3080 ti's included for at least a reference to older cards.
@leothelio Місяць тому
Man, you're awesome. The way you deal with ”mistakes” is really exemplary. It's not even a mistake, it's just an oversight, and you still put in the work to update the data and quickly publish it. Well done.
@NowThatsPCGaming Місяць тому
Much respect steve got doing a follow up video. This is why you guys are one of favorite PC tech channels.
@AndyViant Місяць тому
It's not "mistakes made" if two products with the same label are substantially different. But certainly this is a product that has potential to be of interest based on the die, even if there are multiple versions with great variation. You could argue that the VRM differences on the 4070 Super are also exactly the same "problem" in that you have some that can clock to near Ti spec, and others that are artificicially restricted with actually worse VRM's than the stock 4070. If the AIB overclock versions of the GRE are close to the 7900XT version, then they're almost a totally different product, and that needs addressing. Thanks for coming back and doing this. I'm sure you REALLY wanted to come back and do this all over again :) Content is king.
@bluej511 Місяць тому
It's for the Chinese market and with all the restrictions between the US and china this is what this GPU is for. It's not AMD issue it's a global issue :)
@AndyViant Місяць тому
@@bluej511no, the 7900XT was well below the "AI tax" threshold.. As was the 7900XTX and 4080.
@elirantuil5003 Місяць тому
@bluej511 this is absolute nonsense. It's an AMD issue all the way.
@bluej511 Місяць тому
@@AndyViant right but the GRE was, at the time, for Chinese market only. My guess is AMD trying to compete in price they're releasing it worldwide. It's the GRE not the XT GRE so still named differently.
@nxtleepriest Місяць тому
Loved the rereview. Definitely felt it deserved more explanation, and you did an excellent job of delivering that. Thank you!
@jamesbailey8449 Місяць тому
My sapphire nitro 7900xt was ridiculous out of the box, when you add your own overclock on top it insane. I was surprised when I got it as I believe it is the only 7900xt to use ×3 8 pin power.
@samserious1337 Місяць тому
Still, the limiting factor of the 7900 GRE is the VRAM. It boggles my mind how AMD paired a 80CU Die with ONLY 18 Gbps memory on a 256Bit wide bus.
@AndyViant Місяць тому
It's pure product stack. They know these can do better. But performance always has price limits and vice versa.
@happybuggy1582 Місяць тому
It’s already generous compared to 4070 super Edit: 4070s has 1GB more vram than 1080Ti
@themonkeyking8506 Місяць тому
they are binned 7900xt's so they can't make them better it doesn't work like that
@corvoattano9303 Місяць тому
@@AndyViantYeah but they're not competing with themselves in a vacuum, they're competing against the 4070S. Why cripple your own product?
@AndyViant Місяць тому
@@corvoattano9303Why did Nvidia deliberately cripple the 4070 non super? Same reason.
@peepeepoopoo2973 Місяць тому
mate, just happy to see you again LOL I like seeing more HUB content regardless
@iikatinggangsengii2471 Місяць тому
yeah i think videos suit me best, specific hw just simply dont have time, and energy
@gerthddyn Місяць тому
Thanks for showing this. It was very useful understanding the details.
@KillerKermie Місяць тому
Thanks for taking the time to validate scores.
@alexbanana3445 Місяць тому
Good job, Steve. The extra data will be useful.
@chromerims Місяць тому
Proper follow up 👍 Thank you
@tartarosist Місяць тому
Yesss was hoping for this video!
@JusticeGamingChannel Місяць тому
I think the bigger picture comes down to this: theere is no 'reference' model for the global launch, it is a parner-only launch, the end-user will only be able to buy AIB cards, so to represent what the end-user will experience, and be able to actually purchase, an AIB model must be used.
@hytalefanboi7471 Місяць тому
wow this might be the first card where its actually worth it to buy a factory oc model
@N4CR5 Місяць тому
7900xtx nitro is also worth it (I almost only by Ref cards the last 20 years for a reason). It is about as quick as a 4090 (they clock to 3ghz+) without the PCie connector breaking and 12V power crap. And half the price lol
@nukedathlonman Місяць тому
@hytalefanboi7471 I think you meant cards given that the 7800 XT also saw improved value. 🙂
@albundy06 Місяць тому
Um. Are you new to this? Up until very recently, the reference cards have always been "terrible". They had loud blower coolers and ran hotter. Now don't get me wrong, buying the most high end board partner card at way more money than the reference was and still is silly. But so was buying a reference card with an awful cooler instead of a partner card with a better and quieter cooler with a small OC on it. Informed consumers in the DIY gaming market weren't buying OC cards. They were buying cards that ran cooler and didn't sound like a jet engine when playing games. Had zero rpm modes and so on.
@demrasnawla Місяць тому
It's often been worth it, they usually cost the same as the non-OC models and are slightly better binned
@nukedathlonman Місяць тому
These days I find factory OC models fairly quiet in general... But given the girth of many cards (esp. Nvidia ones), it's not all that surprising.
@rubenprado9152 Місяць тому
Watching this and then the DF review right after definitely raised some eyebrows, I know your testing methodologies are quite different but the result was uncommonly different, so I'm not surprised to see this video come out. Great work as always! I do believe in HUB testing over any others at the end of the day.
@demnogonis346 Місяць тому
What can I say, first of all thanks for listening the community by doing additional tests, great job Hardware Unboxed!! 8-15% additional performance costing 10% more than the 7800xt, I see it as a fairly honest thing to be honest, then considering the possibility of being able to "somehow" unlock the limits imposed by AMD, succeeding in this could lead to bring home a nice quality/price gem. As a custom solution the Powercolor Hellhound seems the best for the price, noise, overclocking and temperatures.
@inducedapathy1296 Місяць тому
I'm glad you guys did an updated review as the overall review seemed to be an outlier compared to other similar review outlets. I saw/read a few reviews prior to HUBs and the overall gist that I got was the card is somewhat perfect for folks who want cheap lower end 1440p 4k gaming with reasonable expectations. The games also matter as some 1440p and 4k resolution settings mean the games will attempt to use all the vram and larger textures. This is where the nvidia line that isn't a 4090 appear to stumble much like the 970 with it's 3.5Gb debacle back in the day.
@federicosuarez1714 Місяць тому
I would like to know how this overclocks, undervolting and abusing the OEM tolerances. i saw a techpowerup article that showed up a 11.7% upgrade margin over the reference card on 3dmark. If we can get a little bit more free performance(5% to 10%) then this new 7900 GRE will be an amazing card. Otherwise just buy a 7800xt
@tienatnguyen5882 Місяць тому
Just got mine today. The Memory clock OC is limited to on 2316Mhz much lower than 7800XT. And max gpu clock that I can go is about 2800mhz. I got the Nitro + model so I think that's as far as this gpu can go. I only use Adrenalin to OC and UV tho, not willing to test with MSI afterburner.
@AndyViant Місяць тому
Overclocks are own risk, own skill. There's potential for sure. But that's all on you.
@AndyViant Місяць тому
@@tienatnguyen588213:36 Nuff said. they got reserve they are not using but will be released if the market requires it to make product sell.
@itsmichael415 Місяць тому
@@tienatnguyen5882they limit the oc to 2800 core and 2316 memory, the card runs into the frequency limit before the voltage limit. It could boost higher if it weren’t locked down
@Pieteros21 Місяць тому
After tinkering with mine 7900gre reference model I think for me overclocking it don't make any sense . Undervolted -70mV and -10% power limit does 2250-2450mhz in games + memory at 2316mhz (maximum) in that combination about 21500pkt in 3dmark fire strike at 225w - max overclock on mine does 2500-2600mhz at 280W and only 9% score increase in 3dmark . 55w for extra 9% performance is not worth for me . Is seems this card is so memory bottlenecked that core overclocking barely does anything . If they unlock more memory overclocking maybe then OC will be worthy
@solidreactor Місяць тому
As always, great content. thank you
@AeiKei Місяць тому
AMD has pulled another stunt in terms of cards and pricings. Where i live the difference between a RX7800 XT and a RX7900 GRE is around 60 euros while the difference between the RX7900 GRE and the RX7900 XT is around 180 euros. At those price points the GRE seems a no brainer...While the start of the year had the 7800XT dropping it's price it seems it's been kept artificially up as it went up around 20 euros and kept steady for more than 2 months now
@tyre1337 Місяць тому
time steve could've spent sleeping
@Mrhandyhitman Місяць тому
Facts
@benjaminoechsli1941 Місяць тому
Instead, he spends it making sure to get things right. It's why I'm subbed.
@matejnemec3022 Місяць тому
This could actually be an exciting card for overclocking of they remove memory oc limits and ideally increase power limit offset further. The gains could be substantial, unlike most cards on the market these days.
@w00t692 Місяць тому
The GPU shader clock is also limited to 2800 They need to do more than just increase the VRAM limits. You won't need an increased power budget with a max clock that low.
@Pieteros21 Місяць тому
For me overclocking gains are minimal 400mhz more on core and only 9% but 100mhz on memory and 5% increase (talking about 3dmark time spy scores ) ... But undervolting is really good - at 225w and -70mV it keeps clocks about stock level and combine that with memory at 2316mhz to get 5-7% better performance than stock at just 225w - probably most energy efficient rdna3 card .
@haukionkannel Місяць тому
Just make a chunt mod replace original memory with faster, and install custom bios 😂
@MarkHyde Місяць тому
The level of integrity and professionalism shown here is above and beyond - thanks for this particular effort :)
@happybuggy1582 Місяць тому
“Hold up, wait a minute, some’n ain’t right”
@chexmixkitty Місяць тому
Hold up, wait a minute. Put a little love in it.
@AlexHusTech Місяць тому
"Hold up wait a minute. Let me put some kush up in it"
@Coles-bootleg-vids Місяць тому
@@chexmixkittygiga chad, still one of the best bands imo.
@romuluxb Місяць тому
Respect HUB for doing this re review, it s relevant to see how much of a difference a good board partner model can make for the 7900 GRE!
@csollermoller Місяць тому
Well done HUB! Very transparent, thank you!
@Nathan49k Місяць тому
Now this is dedication. Thanks Steve!
@RossRob559 Місяць тому
I would like to see a Gigabyte Gaming OC 7800xt VS 7900GRE video. The Gaming OC models are usually right at MSRP with an occasional $10 sale now and then. At least for the 7800xt model in the past month. Also if AMD does indeed fix overclocking on the GRE models I would like to see another heads up between the Gigabyte Gaming OC 7800xt overclocked VS 7900GRE overclocked as I believe these models are popular due to their pricing at MSRP and more consumers would want to see what these MSRP cards are capable of. Since the Sapphire Nitro versions are usually above MSRP it would be safe to assume they are purchased less by consumers than the Gaming OC’s so I believe it would reach a broader audience is when testing the overclocked potential of these two cards to use MSRP versions of the cards. Thank you for your time and for the videos!
@emuclone154 Місяць тому
Im glad you showed all 12 games' individual charts. Showing a few and then an avg or just the average isnt acceptable
@fateunleashed9680 Місяць тому
Mad respect for correcting the oversight! It's more good data for potential buyers and we'll take it. Either way, you guys are helping us with adding this data and that is praise worthy. Keep doing your thing HUB.
@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Місяць тому
Not an oversight really, oced version that cost more shouldn't be highlighted as main performance because people paying msrp aren't going to be getting oc cards that cost $50 more
@Akkbar21 Місяць тому
He made no oversight. People are just simple
@Akkbar21 Місяць тому
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2brexactly. My strix 3080 12gb is faster than stock version as well. That’s how things work. If the mfg cranks the frequency and power budget, card go faster. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Weird complaints from so many commenters.
@robkewley Місяць тому
Happy to rewatch the review of the re re review I rewatched already
@andreyyankovsky1090 Місяць тому
@Hardwareunboxed WDYT about conducting a double overclocking battle between 7900GRE + 7900XT vs 4070S + 4070TiS ? Many of the newer cards seem to be artificially capped in terms of power limits so I'm wondering what gains you could get from AIB cards that provide some free air for increasing those limits.
@RAZGR1Z Місяць тому
Thanks for this.
@timoa.520 Місяць тому
Considering the limited memory bandwith, could you please check out how much you can squeeze out of the 7900GRE with overclocking the memory frequency? Im guessing sapphire is doing exactly that, to get to the Performance they have, including the better meomorycooling they implemented. I cant find a hint at their website what memory frequency they have, but maybe have a look at that. Thanks again for you amazing content, always watching!
@J.D_7 Місяць тому
Love a good ol' Gre-test of a product to see the changes.
@BadDayGaming Місяць тому
I just bought the hellhound version. Looking forward to my upgrade from my rx 5600 xt
@Petch85 Місяць тому
Have we gotten used to all models of the same GPU performas about the same?
@migidarra1027 Місяць тому
Great review!
@irishgiant5150 Місяць тому
This was an unusually large difference between reference and partner version. The "reference" model in this case is really only a China spec model. Good on you for retesting, it's much more practical info in this case. When the value proposition is so close between these cards a few percent difference is actually worth considering.
@Tanktaco Місяць тому
Tyvm Steve.
@Moonlight-zp5rj Місяць тому
Can u suggest a budget power supply for nitro+ 7800xt? I was thinking Deepcool PM750 gold
@skilletpan5674 Місяць тому
I know this card has been out for about a year in china but driver updates might help in the future. I hope there will be optimization and we get a revist of the revist of the revisit of the review.
@Sanzhar94 Місяць тому
11:35 who have stock gre? Is that fitment correct? 267mm or 276mm? On tech power up they says that's 276mm, there is 267mm ...
@kawafahra Місяць тому
Lots of people would love a reevaluation as soon as the unrestricted driver update gets released.
@gruiadevil Місяць тому
The 7900GRE and XT have a lot of juice in the tank. They want you to not overclock it, so they can release a 7950 version at some point in time, where they push the power limits for some good gains. And charge you an extra 50-100$ for it. It wouldn't be the first time they did this. Also. The OC does help in bandwidth starved scenarios or boostclock starved scenarios.
@zodwraith5745 Місяць тому
To be fair that would make them look even worse compared to 40 series' efficiency.
@keksauce Місяць тому
@@zodwraith5745to be fair that only really matters in the European market where Nvidia is already much more expensive compared to AMD, so not that big of a deal
@gruiadevil Місяць тому
@@zodwraith5745 nVidia has s 10% more FPS/Watt but prices their products +25% more If AMD would push 20% more performance from OC by pushing 20% more Watts, the ratio of FPS/Watt would be the same AMD uses a 6nm and 5nm node, and nVidia uses a 5nm node The difference is minimal It's not like Intel, which is on 10nm, therefore requiring Double the Watts to match AMD performance on 5nm
@EnKiDou666 Місяць тому
Very nice to see a correction video this fast.
@kristianpettersen9449 Місяць тому
Nice clarification, this is why I love hub!
@twisted-t Місяць тому
And to think that I submitted that very question about the differences between the cheap and the expensive versions of gpu's to the last Q&A and it got ignored... kinda funny imo.
@TheSickness Місяць тому
Thanks Steve
@jamescampbell6728 Місяць тому
I'm very curious about how they will overclock when that bug is fixed. It's based on Navi 31 instead of Navi 32 and if you have a huge cooler with 2x8pin connectors that thing might be able to be cranked to the moon
@pinkpapa9234 Місяць тому
I would like to see some max oc/undervolt benchmarks
@philhabib4434 Місяць тому
I would like to see the GRE with a decent OC, especially the memory , 30% more cores really should allow a greater bump than seen.
@proprietarycurez8463 Місяць тому
Thanks Steve.
@andyastrand Місяць тому
Do you think it would be a good idea to start categorizing or collating by the underlying engine that a game is using? It strikes me this is going to become quite important as Unreal Engine 5 games start becoming increasingly more common.
@VideogamesAsArt 10 днів тому
this might be truly relevant, yeah. on the other hand, if most games are on UE5, it makes sense most games tested are UE5 too
@dademr Місяць тому
Why not include the power draw comparison
@mickaelsflow6774 Місяць тому
Oh would love to see what can be done in overclocking. If only because of the N31 chip specs difference in the 7900 GRE, 7900 XT and 7800 XT.
@GoWokeGoBrokeGoDEIThenDie Місяць тому
im looking at the Powercolor Fighter 79GRE
@alicaljungberg3742 Місяць тому
Thank you Steve,
@stennan Місяць тому
Could you next time include a section/table the advertised specs (reference/Nitro). And perhaps even observed clocks and power consumption? Would be valuable to know if it is a higher power target which allows for longer periods of boost, or if the cards can maintain a higher clock. Looks like the Nitro+ has a Thermal Board Power of 290W vs 260W reference. And the the clocks are 2391 MHz vs 2245 MHz
@benfoster93 Місяць тому
what about temps?
@Ramshackle6984 Місяць тому
I'm hoping the RAM clocking bug gets resolved and we can OC the memory a bit to close the gap to the 7900 XT.
@djerradabderrahim Місяць тому
I was waiting for this Video. First, I watched your video on the 7900GRE test, and the conclusion was to avoid this card. After that, I watched DF and Nexus videos, and the conclusion was positive.
@w00t692 Місяць тому
He still has essentially the same conclusion if you're excited about the 7900 GRE why weren't you excited about the 7800 XT?
@djerradabderrahim Місяць тому
Mostly because here where i live the price of 7800XT is same as 7900GRE@@w00t692
@blacksama_ Місяць тому
Interesting thanks!
@wertywerrtyson5529 Місяць тому
Interesting to see how partner models actually make a difference again. In the old days you could sometimes see a pretty big difference over default specs. I wonder how the other models compare.
@demnogonis346 Місяць тому
This is because the 7900gre is a special case... AMD has heavily nerfed it in terms of memory speed, consumption and bus. Despite the strong constraints imposed, every increase in frequencies makes those 80 CUs better exploited, even when buying a custom card I recommend overclocking the memories to the maximum possible (stable)... even if it could perform even better if someone comes up with some firmware to unlock the latent power of the card, if this were the case things will get really interesting for the price.
@ZombieRofl День тому
Where did you get the reference model?
@futurepastnow Місяць тому
Regarding loosening the OC limits, I'll believe it when I see it. Look forward to the video if it happens!
@davidepannone6021 Місяць тому
Oh so that's why it was always behind the 4070s in rasterization... I was like "wait a minute, this can't be right". Glad you updated it steve.
@elirantuil5003 Місяць тому
He didn't correct it, he updated it. It's mostly on AMD for releasing it with the ridiculous power target they did.
@helljester8097 Місяць тому
The made by amd 7900 gre isn’t any faster than it was before what correction are you talking about?
@kosmosyche Місяць тому
Idk, where I live I don't even see any reference AMD models of GRE for sale in our shops (weren't they made exclusively for China market?), but I see plenty of Sapphires, XFX and Powercolor GRE cards made for the Western market release. So as a consumer I kinda prefer when people review the actual products available, not something I can't even buy without jumping through hoops. So in this sense it is a correction in terms of providing better relevancy and more helpful data to consumers.
@davidepannone6021 Місяць тому
@@elirantuil5003Yes. I meant updated it. I'll correct my original comment. thanks :)
@CaptainKenway Місяць тому
@@kosmosycheThe reference 7900 GRE is available for sale here in Europe. A bunch of local retailers have them in, along with the partner cards. So no, it's definitely not China-exclusive and is available for purchase right now. Seems like AMD are the ones confusing people, not Steve.
@marufulislam4311 Місяць тому
what amd should focus on is reducing rx 7600 xt price to $300 & 7600 to $250. the budget segment needs more attention.
@sirmonkey1985 Місяць тому
if nvidia doesn't do it then they won't do it. there's no real benefit to them to lower prices, you're just replacing profit margin with volume sales which ends up being a wash. it's the same problem in the cell phone market where everyone is chasing apples prices instead of using it as a competition tool because consumers have been pushed into this idea that price equals quality and in very few niche markets that's true but that's rarely the case these days.
@defeqel6537 Місяць тому
@@sirmonkey1985 volume would not necessarily be a bad thing here though, since the N6 process has plenty of capacity. That said, they still seem to have plenty of 6600s to sell, suggesting that the buyers in this price range aren't looking to upgrade / are upgrading to used cards. As long as there are unsold 6600s, the 7600 isn't likely to see much of a price drop, at least not until Navi 44 based products release.
@berserkslayer8638 Місяць тому
These kinds of videos are what makes you one of the best in this hardware world, a great way to approach the topic.
@coffee7180 Місяць тому
great review.
@102728 Місяць тому
I fully expect oc to be a decent boost to performance. The proximity to 7800xt performance was quite a surprise for me, no way this card can't do more if you can get the memory clocked a bit higher and those 33% extra cu's a bit more power
@argusx77 Місяць тому
Excellent video
@norcaldad5983 Місяць тому
I greatly appreciate your channel, the effort you put in to accurately represent performance and value propositions is world class!! The video card big players are only interested in profits, they manipulate and throttle potential performance with each card produced to position it in their lineup to maximize profit and not take a hit to old inventory.
@tomstech4390 Місяць тому
People saying.. "Id rather buy a 4070 Ti super", really? -7900gre ASRock Chall oc: £533.98 -7900 GRE XFX MERC: £538 -7900 GRE Sapphire PURE: £539.99 RTX4070ti super Zotac gaming Trinity: £769.99 You'd pay 43.3% more? This is priced against the 12GB rtx4070 (with its tiny die and narrow memory bus that makes it cheap to produce) which was $600.
@StaticWrap Місяць тому
I would love to see the 6800xt in comparison to all these tests. I still own one and am curious how it stands up to this newer architecture after all these years
@Trisstan20 Місяць тому
as owner of XFX Merc 6800 XT, i am very content with my GPU choice :) seeing 7900 GRE OC potentical should be interesting tho!
@corgano6068 Місяць тому
So from this we can conclude that when sapphire made their nitro+ version of the 7900 GRE, they must have made some other change that helped make it a better "improvement" over the base card than when they did the same for the 7800 XT version
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