small correction for the area of flow vs temperature drop mentioned @7min the heat energy dissipated is corelated with the core volume , and not the length. The same IC used on the example could be used with higher boost and hotter air, and would be cooled by the same delta T as lower boost (actually higher T inlets gets cooled by higher delta T). it is about mass flow, and heat energy and not the psi in the cooler. Simply put, short path with large cross section area is more efficient, and less restricting than the opposite. It becomes a diminishing return when the flow through the core becomes to slow to utilize the full core volume and than we have dual, triple pass radiators.

Just had this question in mind, thanks AMS team for the knowledge!

Awesome R&D! You guys are on the cutting edge. Keep up the fantastic work you guys do.👍

This was fascinating, thanks! The intro, with the insane monster HP cars had me worried that I was in the wrong spot for my application, but the information supplied was terrific! I have a '77 Datsun 620 that I'm doing a full restoration on + KA24DET motor build and I absolutely refuse to have some ridiculous FMIC ruining the lines of the front of this truck, so here I am, researching air-to-water intercoolers both for their size and efficiency!

Just finished work and my fav has dropped aint even watched it yet but no its going to be a banger... bless and thank u 🙏🙏👊👍✌

I always heard of a air to water intercooler I never knew about it till now! Thanks guy! I'm always learning on UKposts!

Funny how we had comments about this almost in one of the past Infiniti Red Sport videos. I like informative videos even if I know the concepts. More of this.

Love this content, info that you don’t hear summarized like this anywhere else. I’ll definitely need that extra capacity out here in Las Vegas with the 2023 Z’s air to water setup

Thanks for this insightful knowledgeable video! I live in Sydney Australia, and we are a big mouth intercooler country, but to explain the benefits of air to water intercooler, well that was impressive

awesome video, love hearing from the boss. I’m so pumped to pick up my Q from you guys on Tuesday!

Great video! My buddy Jackie has been talking the Supra intake manifold up and I think that might be the next upgrade. By the way, Jacob did my tune last year and it’s absolutely fantastic!

Question with the psi drop on air to air intercooler. Does the air mass or density consumed pre intercooler actually go down with the increase of intercooler size? I figured the psi drop over the hot to cold side came from the extra fill requirement.

Thanks brother I love this content! As a fabricator knowledge is power!

Very informative. I've got both a Q50RS and a GT-R. Both have your intercooler/Heat Exchangers. Q was tuned by Jacob. Oh, both have 'Alpha' intakes too. Thanks for your excellent products.

Between Jay from Real Street and Martin from AMS…. I suddenly feel like I have an engineering degree. 😎

I feel like the pressure drop is less so from the constriction, which shouldn’t decrease pressure but actually increase (less volume increases fluid speed and pressure this is partially how air conditioners work). The pressure decrease comes from the cooling factor of the intercooler itself. Pressure and temperature correlate. This is known as Gay-Lussacs law, or the pressure-temperature relationship. If the volume increases, the pressure and temperature decreases, via thermal expansion, and the air slows down. If the volume stays the same, but temperature decreases, pressure then decreases at a proportional inverse rate and vice versa.

I’ve always wondered why manufacturers never considered running refrigerant through water to air intercoolers. A similar method is being done with PS fluid being used to not only assist in steering but also braking.

Have y'all at AMS found out any information regarding what causes the porus block issue for the q50/q60's? I love the car, but the thought of replacing a motor multiple times is obviously a little concerning.

Please do more of these types of videos :)

This is dope and very good tech. I would have liked to see his take on air to air intercoolers with external water sprayers and Co2 chilling tubes. Are they just Band-Aids for proper intercoolers?

wow such a great vid !

amazing video!

Great video. To drive the importance of intercooling home, go watch Banks' killing a Duramax series. Increased intercooling efficiency and effectiveness equals denser air, equals more power. Banks will show you that an increase in cooling the charged air adds as much or more power than adding a bigger or second turbo. I see a lot of diesel truck folks going for twin turbos but they still run A2A intercooling 😂 On a tow/haul truck, heavy loads up the hills and steep grades means the truck wants to slow down both up and down the hill, and getting started from standstill is a strain on the engine. At all these crucial times, u got little to no airflow at the grille, except maybe the fan. Introducing water to the equation allows for unlocking response and power when you need it the most. I would opt for a W2A cooler in line just before the stock A2A cooler, OR remove the giant stock cooler altogether and replace that space with a large radiator for cooling the W2A fluid. Get rid of the mechanical clutch fan and shroud which hog like 2 feet of space in front the engine. Get some good electric radiator fans rigged on temp switches and relays like they sell in kits or add a digital controller if u wanna get fancy. Davies craig makes fancy elec water pumps and digital controllers. The pumps are actually pwm motor controlled to vary the impeller speed. U can use them for intercooling and/or for the engine coolant if u want to delete the mechanical OEM water pump. But I'd surely go for a customized W2A setup, with some good sophistication before I consider doubling the turbos on a diesel truck

Interesting and informative 🇯🇲

Awesome video, it’s all in the data ❄️❄️❄️

Awesome video

Amazing video, I can’t wait for those new intercoolers to drop! TAKE MY MONEY!!!!

Please do more tech videos.

Don't forget that cooler air will naturally have a lower pressure too, it's not only the restrictions of the intercooler that cause the lower boost psi.

Absolutely love the start tune, what is it called thinking new ring tune.

Awesome video man

I own WTA intercooler. Most people don't even know how this system works. Everyone thought that it takes the water from the engine radiator and they were laughing on me. Fun fact is that i own a Celica st205 with stock WTA Chargecooler and i had 300whp on 16-17 psi. I had stable results and same inlet temps with ATA on road, others need moee than 18 PSI to reach 300whp with air to air intercooler. Also In busy roads and towns WTA is way better I've seen it I tested it and i will never change it to ATA intercooler.

So would you say A2W is better than A2A or it just depends on your goals or scenario you’re in?

I know about the Hellcat's party trick of stealing some A/C air occasionally, but have you guys experimented with an air to refrigerant system instead of air to water? Obviously more complex, but the temptation of having below ambient intake air (summer time/ hot climate) at all times on the street seems hard to not think about.

would it be more beneficial to have both for like 1500-2000hp cars?

I know my csf on the f80zcp is kick ass at keeping the car cool

How about for a 15-20 minutes road course session? Which one is better?

Thanks for education

no mention of Air Density (the import part) 20psi @ 180f into FMIC but 19psi @ 100f coming out but the air density is much higher so even if it dropped to 15psi would still make more power than 20psi. Much like how a big turbo can make say 500hp @ 10psi , while on same engine a smaller turbo at even 30psi might only make 400hp. Its all about air density not pressure.

Is it worth installing fans on water to air heat exchanger

So air to water intercolor paired up with ams heat exchanger ??

In OEM, do the Intercooler circulate water to the radiator?

How do I keep ITA down on water to air on long trips? Bigger radiator and fan?

Do the combustion gases that turn the impeller of the turbo add heat to the ambient air coming into the turbo? I guess I mean do the exhaust gasses heat the whole turbo (body and internal parts of the turbo), which essentially pre-heats the ambient air before it's heated by the actual compression of the turbo?

Hopefully most of AMS research ports over from the Q to the new Z, and I won't have to wait too long for upgrades.

Why not run the air conditioner into the intake? Why not use the existing radiator to cool the intake and turbo? How about electric supercharger design?

Is it possible to retrofit air to air to air to water?

Very cool vid. If I hit the lottery, I'd come work for you guys for free just to learn cool stuff...you guys do all the awesome stuff with all the best cars.

There would definitely be loss of pressure just from the cooling itself..restrictions aside..For example..you can heat a pneumatic cylinder to increase the pressure thus increasing the amount of load it can lift..or make it faster..obviously cooling would have the opposite effect..The heat excites and expands the oxygen and nitrogen molecules...or some shit like that..😅..

I love it

Intro music is epic...

Can you run both ?

Peep that car at 1:19 👀 awesome video guys! ❤️

Does the stock intake manifold on the B58 in the new Supra already have an intercooler inside it? If so I've never seen that before but I'm not surprised either.

How about tuning an air to air…. Feeding into a air to water and then to the intake?

Why not add a ata cooler and 2 wta coolers and another ata cooler for max cooling.

Does it take longer for the water to cool down before you can run again vs the air to air? Or is this a matter of preference? I just watched a video where they suggested the A2A?

So whats better

boost gauge is very low technology. even if the boost pressure drop the content of the air raming inside the pipe doesn't decrease. "gale banks"

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Anything over 130f charge temps is a bomb.

The thing that I don't get anyone can answer, where does the water come from and go to like does it all go through the ice tank? Or is that another thing? I honestly want to know...

When do the VR30 air to water intercoolers drop?!

Interchiller solves the ice box problem

Extremely gud low drag just bit care can go long using antifreeze in winter 10 15k periodically lubrication of pump charge hose can b protected by oil vapors by engine breather its nothing less den legendary progress & achievement by "ams" performance deir air to water intercooler is much superior & lot efficient as compared to da market norms, keep wurking hard we wish u a ton of luck on ur "boost" mission & oder racing upgrades

Wow I had no idea air to air was so inefficient

Add TEC making the water cooler

“BMW / SUPRA” 😂🤣😭💀

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Hit the like button guys

He was correct in saying bmw intake. It is a bmw.

No brainer, water wins everytime!

Nitrous is the answer to colder air

Obnoxious intro.

Can you make one water to air for 2015 ram 2500 6.7 ?