not even going to lie, sram rival is something nice, and I feel like a lot of the people running this group set are going to be thrilled by the price and also the efficiency of it

Maaaaan, I've watched other reviews on Rival vs force but non of them broke it down as simple as you did...you broke it down so simple and fast..great comparison..thanks always..

Excellent review! Really liked listening to your comparison & honest opinion. Keep up the good work! cheers from Belgium

The gap between the Rival's hood and the bikes handlebar would really bug me.

I'm currently using the Sram Force...I like it. Great review as always.

That sheeeesh was on point 😌

Appreciate your objectivity :))) keep on filming good reviews :)

Love it! Great video for comparison. I have Rival set. Zero complaints

Great videos thanks for all the input

Great analysis. I had a bit of buyers remorse going with Rival, but glad to hear this commentary from an expert. I wanted a mid-tier bike for my amateur triathlon pursuit - budget (5000 USD) - and Rival allowed me to step into electronic shifting.

Im never going to be light enough that the weight saving in group set will be worth the money but really want the performance of electronic shifting so Rival seems perfect for me. Only time will tell if the 105 Di2 will be as affordable and good.

Sram just needs to keep up with the demand for the Rival. Their stock for Force and Red disk has been sold out for months in Australia.

i finally had my bike built from scratch. one component each month from march and before i knew it, its complete. all sram force axs😍with all carbon fiber from body to wheelset. i love it

Will add this to the latest thank you note from Hong Kong. I literally went thru each and every comments and surprised, I mean very surprised to see GC Performance's personal reply. He meant what he said. So I wrote this and subscribe this Channel. And Rival hood ..., Red crank arm/cassette mix I gather is my decision. Ready to see more performances. Don't worry about the split screen. I could live with that ...:)

great comparison! thanks!

That really is such a great deal and the cassette change out is perfect. Note that Force black cassette is 🔥. Wish shimano had that option !

Great groupset but for gravel riders the larger hoods make for more hand contact area in rough conditions which i could see this groupset going to!

Thanks for this review, was 2nd guessing my choice till I came across this.

On point on the break down between Rival and Force. Hell yeah! $1k will put a smile on my face...😁

Another great video. With all the guys riding Red & Force, they all complaining of chain noise, and they have tried every oil, grease, wax to quiet the chain. And to top things off many were having chain drops from the big chain to small chain ring, come to find out they needed a setup gauge fro the front derailleur. Fro the video, Rival seems to shift better and chain was quieter as well. Hopefully Sram will incorporate what they learned and us it on the newer Generations groupsets. Lets see what Shimano will release later this year

I bought a Tarmac S-work frame after my bike got stolen... have been umm’ing and ahh’ ing about how to build it up with the shortage of group sets. Then the Rival set got released and i pre-ordered it. Literally today I added a SRAM red cassette and a set of carbon cranks to the order to offset the weight gain...... then I saw this video. HAAAALLLELUJAH so happy GC agrees with my life choices 😂

Some people have speculated that he better shifting from the Rival is a result of the rear cassette. The one piece ones on the Force and Red are harder to make although lighter. I have Red on my road bike but am really considering Rival for my gravel bike to make them the same style of shifting. I think it is perfect for gravel personally. I won't get as upset if I damage something.

great review and about the quality of the crankset, are they both about the same?

I have my sram red etap 11 speed (rim brake) and absolutely love the hoods. That alone keeps me from wanting to uograde.

Very on point video man.

The chipped cogs you're showing are present on all drivetrains, it's the chain's attempt to shift when not perfectly matched with the cog. Sram unlocked backward compatibility between AXS 12s ( except Rival AXS ) and eTap 11s last year via a software update. Most AXS options are not available when AXS shifters are paired with an eTap rear derailleur though. What intrigues me about your setup is how does the derailleur know when to stop at the last cog on a 11s cassette? I mean if paired with eTap 11s it's very clear. Also one can fiddle with cog spacing as well if needed, but the AXS derailleur has 11 steps programmed into it's movement range (eTap 11s has 10 steps) without using hard limits like limit screws ( which may potentially damage the electric motor ) how does it stop? Do you just remember to stop? In your 1st video you attempted to overshift on purpose yet it didn't happen. I can't wrap my head around it, what am I missing? The AXS app doesn't allow any cassette settings. I've got probaly 12 almost new cassettes, wheels, hubs etc from my over 10 years of 11s and would very much like to use them, AXS consumables are very expensive.

Curious to know what you would do if you had to choose between two fully built options - one a 2021 BMC Roadmachine 01 with Force, and a 2022 Tarmac SL7 with Rival - both options at nearly identical price points...another source of concern is the SL7 I can only source in my size in white - but that's a different matter! Any opinions would be welcome.

Setup if i went with sram etap: *Force chain(lighter) *Force crank(for more options) *Rival cassette(quick and quiet shifts) *Rival brake calipers(simplicity) *Rival hoods/shifters(simplicity and esthetics/more shimano-ish..lol) *Rival or force derailleurs

I know a lot of people with Force/Red have had problems with chain drops beacuse of the front derailleur acting up. Is that something you have experienced with the new Rival groupset as well? Would like to avoid that...

And I agree. The lower price point will push others to produce reasonably priced groupset a and eventually push prices down

If Shimano or Campa don't follow suit in this direction soon, things will be tight and SRAM will become more and more. Thanks for the video.

exactly what I am doing.. I got a rival groupset and now changed to sram red 2x chainring and cassette :)

Great analysis! In my case, weight and hydraulic tensioner derailleur are the main reason I choce the force.

Great review, What’s the weight of the sl7 with the new sram rival you had on the video? Thanks!

Definitely interested in running this as a 1x on a gravel bike

Have you already tested using Sram Force 12v current with Montain Bike cassette? 10-50 Sram cassette. Does it work correctly? Thank you very much

Really like the new Rival...you can’t go wrong and I personally don’t need the Force

Is it possible to buy the Rival rear derailleur and shifters only separately ? (I run customer 1X carbon cranks up front). I already have the chain rings that will work with AXS flat top chains.

The extra noise is caused by the coating on the cassette. SRAM discontinued the black coated version and is doing silver only I believe.

Great comparison! How do you adjust disc brakes manually? 3:24

Great video! Maaan I really wish it has a rim brake option, really like shifters but my bike has rim brakes

Ordered a Ventum NS1 with Rival AXS for $3329 shipped. Gonna take 6 weeks tho. Can’t wait

This Klong klong!!!!!! I'm in love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fit of the hoods is a joke on rival, but the rest looks really very good. I got a Rival 1 groupo (11 speed) on my crosser. Even though it's partially made so damned cheap, it works flawlessly over the years.

It would be interesting to see the hood differences from Disc to Caliper. The caliper ones seem to be very slim compared to disc... maybe I'm wrong though.

Nice video. I have hard choice between two bikes and while Rival eqpd bike has nicer paint scheme, but heavier and alloy wheels, and Force bike has less attractive paint and integrated stem+ carbon wheels. The price difference is 900 euro. I like both. 😀

The real test I’d like to see if a blind test. Put a rider on Rival, Force, and Shift - and let’s see if they can tell the difference. I’m sure you’d be able to tell the difference if you’re feeling the hoods (the shape/ergo is different) but I wonder if they’d be able to feel a difference between the shifting. Further, let’s see if someone could tell the difference between shifting where the only difference is the mech, chain, chainring, cassette - and the hoods are the same. I have a feeling the top level riders might be able to tell the difference but entry level or amateur riders wouldn’t be able to tell the difference

I just bought a bike with Rival. I haven’t even ridden it yet. But it looks great.

Great video comparison.... Now where can I order this bike in a 61?

It looks pretty cool to be honest. The 650g difference to way more expensive groups isn't so bad. I don't like the crank though, it looks pretty cheap and plasticy. The Rival crank is has 873g while the Force crank is around 744g and Red even 609g. On the other hand Rival offers a cheap version with Power Meter.

Interesting that you thought rival shifts faster, I’m a Sram user, both force and Red, I recently built a new Madone with a mixture of Red chainset, cassette with force mechs and Rival shifters, mainly because that’s all I could get, but I’ve decided I like the look and feel of rival shifters better, as you noted they are smaller in your hands, I believe the faster shifting is something to do with the rival shifters because I swear mine shifts faster than the complete force or Red groupsets! And I am using force shifters so it can’t be anything to do with the mechs, or the cassette as I have a red cassette, I just wish Sram would update force and Red to look and feel like the rival shifters!

Completely agree about the $1600 groupset. Finally Shimano will stop dragging their feet. It feels like they aren’t put enough into R&D

Did you say this Rival has a power meter too? If not, wonder if SRAM/Quarq would eventually make a crank spider for it like the Force has.

Would it be possible to run SRAM AXS 12 Speed shifters, derailleurs with the new Shimano 12 speed cassette and chain? Don't want to swich to XDR driver and I have never found SRAM cassettes and chains to shift as smoothly & run quietly as their Shimano counterparts.

What's! the chance you doing a split screen of the two being shifted?, wanna put your editing skills to the test

Cool video, I've watched some rival reviews, but a comparison like this clears things up!! Is there a part you can point out as 'being responsible' for the weight difference? I wasn't able to find all the weights per part listed online easily. But for example; the biggest difference in weight is in the cranks, or the cassette (maybe expressed in a percentage)? Other question, will the inside of the hoods always be this bulky? Like it's sticking out instead of being flat with the bartape.... Seems like it doesn't fit the bars very well... Or is it just these bars and tape that cause that? I really don't like the black force cassette btw, even if I had the force group I'd probably change it for a rival or red cassette

I think the perfect groupset would be all rival with the red crankset. I just like the look of the red crankset, being lighter is an added bonus. Although the hoods on rival where they meet the bar and flare out kinda bother me in terms of aesthetics.

well according to website red is 653 grams lighter and force is 270 to 300grams lighter. In my opinion get rival and change crank and cassette to that of red. you might be able to save 200 to 300grams.

Average price differences between Sram ForceeTap AXS vs. Sram RivaleTap AXS equipped bikes (same model) are 1.500-2.500 eur. For this money you can upgrade a Sram Rival eTap AXS equipped bike with Sram Red Power Meter crankset and Sram Red cassette (make the bike lighter than Force bike) and buy custom carbon wheels. At the end you get a much better bike, a Sram Rival eTap AXS bike, than a factory equipped Sram Force eTap AXS bike.Lighter, Sram Red crankset with Power Meter, Sram Red cassette, better (costum) carbon wheels, better looking Sram Rival shifters...etc. That's my opinion.

Coming from SRAM Rival and up mechanical, experience has taught me SRAM Red is the better option. My Red AXS is perfect at any price.

Damn I wanna see a mullet build using GX Axs + Rival Axs.That would be dream gravel

Can you install the casette onto a regular 11 speed wheel ?

Where do you put the Ultegra there? Lighter than the Rival and a little bit more quiet. But else?

In your opinion , what is a shimano 1x GRX 812, comparable to in terms of shifting quality and quickness, in shimano road line up and SRAM road line up?

I think Rival is a game changer - affordable electronic groupset that has full compatibility with Red, Force and Eagle. Hopefully this will put Sram on more OEM Stock builds and take some marketshare from Shimano. Will be interesting to see how Shimano responds or if they could even be bothered... Shimano certainly has not been trying very hard at all with even producing and supplying LBS with replacement parts for existing customers.

Can you run sram red or force etap tt shifters with the etap rival set?

God video 👍🏻

so no chance to do the typical triathlon bike setup with additional control of gears from extension bars using rival?

Why rival hoods are not flush with the handlebars? It strikes my attention.

Can i keep the shimano 11 speed crank in order to keep its powermeter?

The fact that the rival hood covers don’t go flush with the bars is just ridiculous

You didn’t tell us the overall weight of the tarmac comp...wld be nice if you could share

Good evening, can I replace the rival cassette for a forse?

Does the rival cassette come in black too like the force’s? How much is the casette of the force?

if Rival shifts faster than Force, do you think there will be an update to Force and Red coming soon?

I think the 1x rival crank can be swapped into 2x if you use a force spider

How much lighter is Force? Are we talking about 300 grams or +1kg?

The obvious answer is that the that best buy is Shimano 105 Di2 or Ultegra Di2 unless you want a cordless drill's battery hanging of the back of your bike, in that case by Sram.

Do you know what is the weight difference between Rival and Ultegra R8070? Cool video BTW...

The nemesis of shimano 105 (sram rival). Or I am wrong?

If you don't care about running a 10t on your cassette (my wheels have a HG freehub)). Can you run an ultegra 8100 12 speed 11-30 cassette?

Unless you're racing up mountains, the weight will make very little difference. For most riders AND racers, a few hundred grams will make no difference. I like lighter stuff because it's fun to be a little bit of a bike nerd but I also recognize it is all-but-completely irrelevant to performance in any meaningful way.

Well rival probably looks the best blacked out is guess put a red Cassette , I went with di2 over red because of black out just looks better

is rival a 10-36 and force/red 10-33 on tarmac? is that a big difference?

Why are the rival hoods not flush against the bar like the force on the other bike?

Bonjour Comment peut on récupérer l’intérieure de la pedale rival avec capteur de puissance pour me réinstaller dans le pédalier sram force ? Quelqu’un a t’il une idée Merci

I like the loudness

what brand is thatr bar tape?

are those supacaz bartapes?

Very heavy? Define heavy! Weight weenies :) I have the force and love it. I'll take it for $1600, but I'll go for the single drive.

That tonk sound with the Force gs kind of annoys me, the Rival really seems like a better option compared to the Force.

FORCE AXS is great (if you use earplugs to block out the noice)

DThis video is proof that the "Holy Grail" of bicycles is the pursuit of less weight. The ONLY reason why someone would buy Sram Red for 3x the price is to save weight. Performance is as good and even better in this case on 1st tier group. And I assure you that it doesn't cost SRAM significantly more to make Red over Rival yet they charge 3x per much because they can. VEBLEN GOODS

I Just got the force groepset so i have to stick buy it👍

Biggest question is, how's maintenance of this?

What's Up with the Pie Plate?

What a great and informative video!! Thank you. 300 grams.... .661 lbs hmm

he said "girth giggled giggled head" LOL

What is the best/lightest group set to go for?

Where your shop at?