Kathy Bates as Annie Wilkes in Misery

Bill or O-Ren Ishii from Kill Bill Vol 1 + Vol 2

Gary Oldman as Dracula.

Mark Zuckerberg from The Social Network (even though he's an anti-hero)

I'm on his fucking time

He did, and I'm wondering why I haven't been offered a video covering it yet.

@@jase9619 I remember it, and to me it's closer, but the analysis still didn't pull away from the victim's perspective.

Exactly!

seriously. I left this movie wondering despite all the things he put andrew through, literally destroying his mind, is this actually affective. You know a movie is good when you start wondering if the villian psychotic nature can be justified in your everyday life.

Effective or no, I think you have to look no further than the number of psychologically damaged artists who become ONLY their work (people who method act to the point of gaining mental disorders or contracting health problems, for example) to question if that kind of route is even worth it.

the greatest enemie gives you a feeling of false power/hope/love/what ever, just to let reality crush you

Venture bros

So…. Life is the villain?

The Devil.

Dude Fletcher means well

Rather, he ascended to absolute perfection!

@@richardstannard3139 Sacrificing all of his remaining humanity

I don't think there was a bit of horror on the father's face. He was literally in awe of how great of a show his kid was putting up after being humiliated.

​@@Professor-id4jhif I'm not mistaken, the script points out how he stares at his son in horror.

yeah the director even said that the ending was displayed as joyful but it wasn't actually supposed to be meant like that but the director wasn't mad. He thinks that its a good way to display an unhappy ending

I don’t know exactly for abusers in general, but I have known a narcissist for a few years. And I can say from experience: they got everything planned out. Everything you say, they could maybe use against you. I was omce in an argument on discord. And he pulled out something I said more than a YEAR ago. Using it as an argument saying ‘what you said here doesn’t line up with what you’re saying now.’ Of course, Fletcher was an abuser, again don’t know if he was specifically a narcissist, but yes, abusers are VERY intelligent. They know what to use and what to do. I’m happy I left this narcissist literally 3 days ago. Anyways always keep an eye out! Follow your feeling. If it don’t feel right, it probably isn’t!

Both are true. he's blinded by his own desire, but his expressions of that are deliberate

In my mind, he even took the other drummers notebook, just so he could later break Andrew down by saying he's only in the chair because Andrew "misplaced" it.

@@tocommenter2726 I'm happy you left them too, I had a similar situation like this about 4 years ago on discord, they faked depression to twist me into doing what they wanted or else they would harm themselves and I have a permanent scar on my wrist reminding me of what i did. After not talking to them for about 2 years I tried to get into contact again hoping maybe that they changed, but they didn't not in the slightest and that time I saw right through it and cut all ties with them immediately. But yes it is extremely scary how they will find out just enough about you too twist you into doing what they want

@@shinigamistarship pretty sure that was confirmed in the final scene where someone watched the scene and saw those papers he gave Andrew on stage had some of the exact some notes on the drummers notebook

I still see him as a good guy, a great guy even. This is exactly how I want my teachers and coaches to be.

@@francescaerreia8859 7:20

Solider? What is a solider?

@@SalvableRuin soldier

Alien soldier? Is that a reference to Omni-Man from Invincible?

"we are farmers"

I love him as j Jonah Jameson

You serious?

Can he play this role as Cave Johnson? "Science isn't about WHY It's about WHY NOT!... In fact, why not invent a special safety door that won't hit you in the butt on the way out because you're fired."

He was in SVU a couple times before BD Wong too

You same to watch a different movie i would go along to say you and the op of thid vedio did.

Wtf are you talking about? Andrew took all the abuse and pain and all that he sacrificed in practicing and focusing his mind in the music, took the worst abuse Fletcher could throw at him, and played so well he blew Fletcher away. A broken toy would have left with his dad crying. Andrew persevered and overcame, just like Charlie Parker. Fletcher and Andrews goals were the same, they both were triumphant.

It could be seen either way, its up to the viewer to interpret whether the ends justify the means, so to say. Some would argue that the cruelty of fletchers means do not justify the end result of perhaps one of the great drummers of history. While others might say that the end result makes up for the cruelty. Its subjective, as any art should be to a degree.

i've been through more extremes than this film & i would never want to go back in time & erase them. i'm so much stronger because of it.

@@gonkdroid9325 but I don't know if you can call him a villain, regardless of how cruel he was. Both he and Andrew have the same goals, they're in direct opposition in numerous circumstances on how they want to achieve those goals, but in the end they both accomplish their goals and the movie ends with them no longer in conflict but as equals. I believe Andrew would argue his performance was the culmination of both their goals, meaning he would (likely) agree that Fletcher's ends justified the means. I think you can state that objectively, based on how the movie portrays both Fletcher and Andrew's characters.

*Exactly* he gives off PTSD

> I'm getting the sense that everyone who finds this villain especially terrifying is because they've been put in a position, one way or another, where they've had to face a serious ball-breaker like Fletcher. Right on target! And I'd take it further. Those who see Terrence as the key to "greatness," "excellence," "craft," whatever, have had to face that same kind of ball breaking personality - but they have a _lesser opinion_ of those who cannot or will not go thru that. They are very likely to be condescending.

more than terrifying i found him really, really annoying, i dont know why nobody except neiman tries to beats him, he with time will just trigger the atomic response in everyone, think of having to endure this guy bullshits for years

​@@RatPfink66yeah I can relate

He reminds me of my dad in a lot of ways.

Turn my pages!!

I think it’s really crazy that, after this movie came out one of my Band Directors said that he really loved Fletcher. It made me see him as a completely different person after that.

Good job. You should always be comfortable doing whatever and wherever. :)

Drill sergeant

What’s even more terrifying is Fletcher is proven “right” by the end of the movie. His insane tactics drive Andrew to become great, so Fletcher feels all of his actions were justified.

When Fletcher was slapping him, neiman was off, wasnt he?

@@markmarich2846 nope It's crazy the attention to detail the writers put into this movie

Neiman was always on his time. Fletcher only testing him because he want his students to be completely perfect and able to notice when something is off.

He even made the audience doubt their sense of timing.

Probably when he tells the other guy that he's out of tune even if he isn't, the script is explaining to us that he's going to do the same with Fletcher's tempo.

I'm glad you got through it

What helped you heal? I am a little younger (older 20s) but am addressing that past instead of just avoiding it. It's quite difficult, any tips?

@@Dobbz_Media I suppose I never really healed, to be honest. Not fully anyway. I still have a lot of mental problems. I suffer from PTSD, anxiety and stress. I used to have really bad nightmares until I was nearly 30. I was suicidal for a long time with severe depression. It has been the birth of my son, and finding my wife, that has helped me get out of the depression and suicidal thoughts. The dreams have gone away as well. I suppose perseverance and wanting to be a better dad than my father was has gotten me through a lot.

@@aussieoutlaw17 Thanks 🙏🏼 You sound like a good man, and I admire how you value your family. I dealt with a lot of trauma and esp from a mental abuser for a good portion of my upbringing. I used the rage, emotion, whatever you call it, to fuel my goals and now that I’m older… Let’s just say it’s not the “success”I thought and found myself alone. I’m beginning to focus more on my happiness, which is not easy. I struggle with letting go. God bless man ❤️

@@Dobbz_Media I was the same. I was alone for a long time. And being angry was a big cause of it. Being able to let go of that rage helped a lot. God bless you in your future endeavours, and I truly hope you find peace in life. Lord knows we deserve it. All the best in life, my friend.

omegalol

Ahem…. Omni-Man: Am I a joke to you?

The pictures really did seem impossible. Almost like someone with incredible acrobatic talents, and superhuman capabilities took them. That Parker kid must really be amazing. At photography, I mean.

Think, Neiman! What will you have in 500 years?

Unlike his divergent cast mates, he kept his career on track

Not after he got pushed again by Maverick

then Spiderhead happened and he gave one of the worst performances of the year lol

Fletcher pulled his papers

Yet, after that he started selling guns and ammo to the US military with his buddy from high school

Fair enough. I really didn't know where the movie was going until Fletcher started slapping the kid, then I was like, "what the hell," toward both of them. Maybe I've just lived long enough to have way too much perspective and self-respect to even fathom staying in that room one more second after the guy bitch-slapped me, but that's what I would hope anyone's response would be--time to go! And also time to report that SOB. To watch anything else says something profound about that character, not just Fletcher. Honestly, it did kind of pull me out of the movie, how do you have a room full of men who tolerate a new kid getting slapped and crying? Pretty unrealistic. I kinda struggled with that sort of unbelievability throughout the movie.

True. It seems like some people put all the responsibility on the abuser, while ignoring the victims role. It isn't good to victim-blame but people should be aware of abusive behavior and ways they can escape that abuse.

@@stevenking4617To address the believability of the scene you mentioned. When you put yourself in the context of the scene, these guys are in one of the most prestigious jazz classes in the world, their entire future might rest on their performance in the class. They obviously are unsettled by the slap, but they have become desensitized to this kind of behavior, and likely tolerate it given the stakes. So, in context, it makes sense to me.

@gonkdroid9325 you literally are victim blaming. Victims have no “role” in anything.

Haven't seen much of his work but I think this was probably his best performance tbh

^ Yup. He was fucking phenomenal in this movie.

As a musician whose teacher was an asshole, this movie had me crying

Yes

I am ao sorry for you. I recently (half a year ago) started doing martial arts. To be detailed, Hema which is historical fencing with e.g longswords or polearms Because in this sport you use tactics that were designed to kill I always expected a very diciplined and harsh atmosphere there but truth is that everyone is super supportive there so I suppose I was really lucky! I really hope more and more people will find a healthy environment for their dream!

I tried to watch a scene of the movie as a way to desensitize myself about some music teachers I know. Tried to on and off for years. A decade later, I still fantasize about what I could do to Fletcher with a rusty blade. Clearly I still have issues. 😵‍💫

my band teacher lashed out at me for something that didn’t need to be brought up in front of the class. i just wish teachers and people in general can be more respectful of others, since shit like that can mentally hurt you

It's so fascinating because we've all felt the chemical reaction occur when someone we love and respect is disappointed in us.

Well, andrew did say that he was fine dying young as long as he was remembered as one of the greats. It was not a happy ending for everyone, but for andrew and fletcher, it is.

@@KanderUdon true true

@@KanderUdonIf that truly was what Andrew wanted, then fair enough. But I suspect that he only wanted that because of how he’s been shaped by American society, and how it idolizes individual “success”above literally anything else.

Not necessarily, we can easily make the case that he succeeded *despite* what Fletcher did. He already practiced incredibly hard, and may certainly have risen to the same heights under another, kinder teacher. That's actually what I loved most about the film - that we're left with that ambiguity at the end. There's no ambiguity about Fletcher being a monster though, having literally caused some kids' suicides. He absolutely shouldn't be in the position he's in. His pathology means that he *will* take credit for Neimann's success after the show though. Brilliant characters all around, and it was easily my fave film of the year.

@@overseastom and now Neiman is probably going to commit suicide himself

@@overseastom bullshit

@@overseastom thats a hypothetical scenario though. Its more a long the lines of Joker trying to make Batman cross the line and break his one rule: no killing. You could just as easily argue that the abuse he endured from Fletcher pushed him to the heights he got to. Even Fletcher remarks in the film that (paraphrasing) “anyone can say good job, and thats why talent is so sparse now-a-days”. You also have to remember that they are both wanting of the same thing: to be the best. Fletcher does not have the skill to do what Neyman can, but Neyman is also not as smart as Fletcher and is no where near as experienced to meet his goal. They literally can only both get to the top from the others success. And no one is arguing that Fletcher is not the Antagonist of the story or that abuse is ok. It’s supposed to be about “no pain, no gain” and that usually suffering is what leads to greatness in any story. Characters who never struggle are always forgotten, and it’s the journey to becoming legendary in your craft

@@overseastom he still made it fulfilling Fletcher's objective

Good catch

Thats interesting, and I don't know the actress, was she the mom in the fighter? Sidenote with my fun fact, Simmons filmed his entire part in 4 days or something like that

Abusive parent figure? Nope not at all you don't choose your parents, you choose your teachers, what what purpose suits you.

@@stephengrigg5988 No, the mom in _The Fighter_ was Melissa Leo.

@@stephengrigg5988 she’s the mum in i Tonya

Lots of (presumably male) commenters under this video perpetuating toxic masculinity. Yay.

Just a bunch of abuse loving dumbass who get turned on of being yelled at i suppose

Omg🙄🙄😒😒 literally every kid who has ever gone to school in the history of kids going to school has had at least one mean teacher who made them dread going to class, and we all made it out alive and still became successful, happy, functioning adults. GenZ are the only ones who've have to have their non-binary emotional balls stroked and can't get through a single through normal negative human experience without crying about their "anxiety" "abusive" and "mental health". "Betterhelp" was created because they're literally the first generation that needs a therapist on speed dial.

Agreed. I used to be a musician and was in a marching band once. It is difficult to really hear what mistake you made especially in more complicated tempos and pieces as you have said.

Not to mention that there is an inherent trust present when you assume the role of mentee that your mentor is going to actually *_mentor_* you, not lie to you. Honestly, any student who would refuse to accept blame when their mentor tells them they messed up would be difficult to teach - perhaps even impossible, depending on severity - even if the protégé is in the right. You aren't going to do everything perfectly, or you wouldn't be the student. The entire purpose of having coaches, directors, etc. is to use their experience to correct mistakes the pupil doesn't know they're making or doesn't know how to fix. That scene where the musician is gaslit into believing that he screwed up beautifully demonstrates Fletcher's priorities. Not music, not art, not teaching. Tormenting. Ensuring to everyone - likely to himself most of all - that he holds absolute control.

Ray Charles and James Brown were famous for sensing who wasn’t on the right notes and practically abused their teams But you gotta admire dedication to the music craft for perfection

@@ninjanibba4259 you mean infamous and yeah, something that people will tolerate if they're working at the top with people like them

Absolutely. You often need an "objective" ear to guide you, so you're at the mercy of their honesty/accuracy. Whenever my band would record a take, it was often better or worse when we played it back than we thought while playing it at the time.

Sounds like a scary teacher. Silence can build far more anxiety than shouting from certain people. At high school there was a music teacher like that. I honestly might get my reply removed if I repeated the things you'd hear him screaming at the orchestra. I'm Scottish and swearing is common here but teachers aren't allowed to do it but he didn't care less. I doubt he'd get away with it nowadays. The weird thing is that I had him as a teacher for a music module in my last year and he seems really calm and cool. A bit of a Jekyll and Hyde character.

@@TheLadyDelirium Was he actually good at it ? if he was then maybe he knew what he was doing, I have actually picked some of that myself, not to that degree though, but if I care about someone and think they have the potential and the will to become great I burst into flames with them and push them harder, but with the ones that I consider lost cause I do not care at all.

I like this movie because I relate to it so much. My marching band director was kinda like fletcher. Not to the point where she would hit us or throw chairs but as close as you legally could get to that. She would sometimes make us go without water if we messed up. She would make us run laps even if we said one word when standing at attention. She didn't even care if a bee was about to sting you she would make you run laps if you moved during standing at attention. And she made us march in everything; snow, rain, scorching heat, sand. Everything. There was never a break never a rest. It was so bad this one kid even passed out standing at attention once. And the countless drills and marching practice and..oh my goodness. But after all of that I'm proud of what I did and what I was part of. She took a bunch of us slackers and nobodys and made us into something great. Music is a difficult industry but if you're tough and determined the world is yours.

silence is the worst

Did we live the same life?!

a whiplash you could say.

Got me to the point of tears when I'm 16

I don’t think an 8-11 year old should be watching something like this 😅

Did you forget your age in 2014?

@@juarezamorim nah I'm just younger. Watched it this year because I only got into watching movies around last year soo ://

@@JONPIAASU98 probably just thought it was a film about drumming lmao 💀

"You serious??"

Hey, when life gives you lemons… don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!

@@zethines6495 That's when you learn in Portal 2 that he's lost it. Absolutely fantastic performance.

Or Omni-Man….

Vernon Schillinger would like a word with you...

I just replied to someone else that said a similar thing, but I think the beauty of the film is the ambiguity of it - sure, Neiman succeeds in the end, but it could just as easily be *despite* Fletcher's methods, not because of them. Neiman practices extremely hard and has drive already, and we simply don't know how he would perform under a kinder, gentler teacher. Perhaps just as well, we'll simply never know. We do know however, that Fletcher has literally driven people to suicide, and perhaps they could have been musical greats too. So I don't think it's as simply as "Fletcher succeeds in his methods", but rather is left to interpretation, which I think truly makes the film a modern classic. It was my favourite film the year it came out, and the exact type of movie I hope to see every time I go to the cinema.

@@overseastom see, true, but that's the thing - coulda, woulda, but Neiman, in those circumstances, arose to the challenge in anger, in what could probably be seen as a breakdown or (probably more accurately) a display of mental fortitude, which already separates him from those that collapsed under the immense pressure. Sure the others who committed suicide might have been great, too, but they weren't the type of greatness Fletcher was trying to abuse into being. Neiman ended up becoming just that, in the end, with the furious performance crowning his success AND Fletcher's, with it being a reaction to the abuse either way.

@@GabrielMisfire I hear you, but it doesn't show the aftermath at all, just Neiman succeeding in that very moment. The first thing he might have done after the concert is tell the press there that Fletcher abused the ever-loving fuck out of him and that he even tried to sabotage him *that very night* too. I know what you mean though - Fletcher's methods *didn't* break Neiman and we witness him doing something amazing, so it almost seems like a justification for his methods. That's what I mean about the ambiguity though - you're not wrong, it's just that we don't see what goes on right afterwards, meaning Fletcher doesn't necessarily "win" at all. We just know Neiman didn't lose.

I think if they were actually going for ambiguity with the ending it could have been pulled pff a lot better. The way the film ends of such a high note with the music continuing into the credits right after the performance is shown to be a success, it seems like the film is doing everything to end on a “good” note and not have people question things. I’m one of the people who thinks the film was truly excellent, right up until the very end when it shows that, wether because of or in spite of Fletcher, Andrew did become a great performer. Now, this could have been handled very interestingly if they hadn’t chosen to go with all the fast cuts and upbeat credit sequence. Imagine if the final performance had played out in a static wide shot as he plays through perfectly, we see Fletchers look of approval and then cut to black, silence. Then there would be some real moral ambiguity: did Fletche win? And either way, what do we as an audience think and feel about it? The was it was presented was quite manipulative and I feel many people end up just thinking it has a “good” ending (just read most of the positive reviews and see how few make any references to the morally difficult questions this film asks). Wether or not Andrew succeeds in his performance in the end because of *or* despite Fletcher’s methods, either way the result is that the film is saying that, in this story, the abuse we witnessed achieved “greatness”. And again, I’m not saying the ending to the story needed to be changed, I just wish they had leaned into a sense ambiguity and actually invited the audience to think about exactly what happened. (I’m preacing to the coverted here as both of you commenters clearly have thought about the ending a lot, but just scan through most reviews and comments and you can see how most people just see the ending as Andrew winning or achieving his goals and that this is a good thing)

Also, I would argue that wether Fletcher won or lost, either way Neiman *did* lose. He lost his initial love for music driven by personal passion, he lost his college years to anxiety and mental abuse, he lost out on relationships, I could go on. Yes, he managed to pull off a great performance. Can we really call that winning? The only reason we as an audience even “know” that it’s a “great” performance is that we see Fletcher’s reaction and we blindly trust him. On another related note, I see Neiman as an equally problematic character. Even if from the start his passion for music wasn’t initially driven by wanting to be “great”, it very quickly became so. Are we supposed to just go along rooting for his “success” withour questioning what it is he actually wants? The inherent wrong in Fletcher’s actions should be obvious, but I think there’s also something to be said for Neiman’s own approach to music, here a proxy for art generally, as a competition. So even if my above point is argued that Neiman *did* in fact “win”, I can’t say I think this is in anyway a good thing. What does it show? That if through mental and physical abuse suffered atthe hands of others and yourself you can achieve your own narrow view of “greatness” that needs validation by somone else, in this case the actual abuser? Anyway, it’s a really well made film and always gets me thinking, but I wish they had chosen to dive into these questions a bit more instead of what they did with the ending.

I think he manages to abuse the audience too, to the point where by the end we too believe "oh yes, the tempo is perfect, he really just wanted to help him become perfect". We suffered through everything with the protagonist and in the end, we feel what he does. Completely fallen for the abuse and manipulation. Then add the fact that this is something that happens irl, we are being told irl that the end justifies the means...

I don’t think the ends justify the means, I just don’t see the issue with the means. No one forced his students to be there. If they don’t think it’s worth it, they can leave. He doesn’t even seem scary to me, just like someone who wants the best for and from his students. He actually cares unlike most of the garbage teachers out there. I wish more teachers and coaches were like this. We’d have a lot more greatness.

@@francescaerreia8859 and a lot more suicides

@@francescaerreia8859 "no one forced them to be there" yeah they 'only' have to be saddled with debt, leave the school and fight for increasingly fewer slots in other music schools with lesser reputations (because of people like you that valorise abuse) that are themselves being cannibalised by even more incompetent monsters like Fletcher

I think that’s what pissed me of the most about Terence Fletcher and also the film as a whole when I finished it : the fact that a lot of people would find his downright evil behavior acceptable, just because the character manipulates the audience just as much as the students in the film.

This became such a missed detail that almost everyone after watching the movie and talking about the character refers to him as "knee-man." This was such an interesting bit that most people missed, I'm always happy to see somebody catch it.

I noticed that too.

Americans are specialists in butchering names.. So i am not sure if this was intentional.

@@dilldough3588 no one asked delusional kid

@@hustlecoder1673 i mean i'm not american and i get the "haha amurican dum" streotype, but doesn't literally EVERYONE no matter the culture butcher names?

How was JK in person?

I am shocked more recruits don't kill their drill instructor. I have heard of it happening at times though.

I was proud of myself for making it through training. It really did make me a stronger person and Im out of the Military now and that strength and confidence carried over into my professional and personal life. So there's a certain kind of breaking down that is good when the purpose is build you up stronger and better. The people who do it with that intention are always proud of you in the end; your success is their end game. There's another kind of breaking down that is just an bully, arrogant, or insecure person in power who does it to inflate their own ego and to keep down people who they are threatened by ... there were a lot of NCO's like that in the military too.

Maybe you could try playing music again but just play what you like and do it at your own pace. Music is something you can teach yourself to an extent. You don't need other people's permission to play music. Hope that helps.

@Rachel Smith Thank you for showing some tenderness. The funny thing is is that I've known what you are saying since I started playing, and i do just that. Its still a shame and its depressing to feel limited in where i can express myself. I don't know if you're familiar with the politics around this area, but it's a small world in this music scene. An imagined scarcity and gatekeepeing are staples of it. Everyone knows each other. And one can only get so far as an island.

I think what made Fletcher so terrifying and this movie relatable is that a lot of us have had a Fletcher in our lives; some sort of over the top pushing bossy person that pushed us to be great but in horrible ways. But sometimes Fletchers are kind of necessary the non abusive ones but close to being. I wouldn't have learned a lot without those Fletchers in my life. I think it's good to have someone push you to be your best but it is never good when it actually harms you and your mental health and physical wellbeing. Regardless I hope you're doing well and are better.

@@ServalShots Even if a teacher doesn’t physically abuse a student, I think there is a difference Between a teacher that is structured, has appropriate expectations out of students. And holding them accountable. And what we saw fletcher do in the film, a good teacher doesn’t do that by insulting or insinuating that they’re going to insult someone, and of course They need to have appropriate expectations, if someone is brand stinking new, than throwing them in the lake method is not always appropriate. It be one thing if someone already had training and knows what to do, however they still lack confidence. So you use that method to instill confidence in them. But that’s different.And I think we have plenty of examples of teachers in our lives that were firm but fair. Meaning they don’t use the tactics that we saw Fletcher do in the movie. In any capacity. And to be firm but fair means that you hold somebody to a standard, you make sure they follow it, but you don’t do it by belittling them or taking the humanity out of them. Like treating them like a tool without personal agency . You’re not forcing them to only seek your approval, and nothing else. You’re making sure they understand the material, and why it’s important to follow it.

I'm glad I knew what I was getting into bc otherwise idk if I'd be able to watch it

@@flask223 I truly didn't know whether to laugh or cry when he said the line, "THEN WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU SAY SO!?" Before that, I thought it was just going to be about a mentor/mentee relationship. And after that almost the entire movie is full of dread and tension. This movies by the way is one my my top 3 favorite movies of the 2010s. I love it.

violence is behavior specifically involving physical force. It is not accurate to use this term in place of abuse, which I think is more accurate. Not to shit on your comment, its still valid, I just don't like when words become redefined for no reason.

Why would you say this? Why do you want Disney to ruin more properties of oldies?

@@ninjanibba4259 like Disney's gonna listen to my opinions.... Calm down dude.

I honestly just wish they stopped portraying Hades as an evil rage filled person rather than a reserved leader like he is in the mythology. If anyone's evil it's Zeus and Hera, Hercules's parents.

I mean you could paint James Woods blue and he would be perfectly ghoulish reprising that role.

JK Simmons as Zeus however would be great seeing as Rip Torn is dead.

sort comments by newest and read the two above you, clearly this movie is very polarising

There’s a great video on UKposts that says the devil wears prada did everything this film did, first. But guys don’t watch TDWP because it’s about fashion.

That's my thing. The reason why I would die before going into the military is because even if I were physically and mentally fit enough to be, I would not want to commit my life to being emotionless, bald, and violent. Worst part about it is that the single-minded psychology forces people to hate on others not like them. Makes me feel I don't belong with people who actually have an athletic build.

Lol JK is making bank, dont be sad for him, be happy that he gets all these dope ass roles

Not true - he's a teddy bear in those Farmer's commercials.