Affinity Suite gang go woop woop!

Vectornator is a FREE illustrator alternative on ipad with image tracing ❤️

Affinity software is great for photo and graphics work. Just in case somebody here didn’t hear about it.

@@fracturedliquidwings woop woop

@@dh4444 Mac and iOS only.

Not so true, the updates for Adobe before the subscription were expensive.

yes. I remember and updating was optional.

Yeah

Those were the days

Still can. Affinity :)

If they just gave us the option to do a subscription with fonts, cloud storage, syncing, updates etc, OR just buy the software at a specific version and keep it like they used to, that would be something. Then they would at least be incentivized to make some good updates as apposed to these micro updates

I pay $8/month CAD for Office at home, and I am COMPLETELY happy to do so. Software needs updating, and people need to be paid to update it. I find $8/mo totally reasonable. Adobe just doesn't get what a price like that could do for their numbers. Not that I'd expect to pay less than $10/mo for any of their products, even though all Americans have that as an option.

They could but they are just money hungry that's the reality... Take for example Sketch (UX/UI prototyping tool) that cost about 80$ for 1year, you can keep using it after that 1 year but if you're a professional collaborating with other designer you would definetely need to update to make sure your your files are compatible with the ones of your colleagues to be used cloud file managment repositories like Abstract, this could be easily applied with Adobe. Similar story with Cinema 4d where they have milestone versioning, and it probably costs even more than what the adobe creative package was back in the day... But anyway it's not a problem to me since I crack everything that is not given to me by my employer and I don't have a problem with it and to be honest I don't feel the least regret in doing so especially when it's the Adobe cloud.

Also used to make it harder to make pirated versions.

in fact, premiere and after effects are getting worse. Did you know that up to CS6 AE was able to render H264 by itself? Now it's not even an option. You are forced to use Premiere or Encoder to do that. Also, all of the softwares now take so much longer to open compared to cs6, not to mention how some effects from AE and Premiere devolved.

I wanted to buy photoshop and just could out that they no longer sell the whole program. Just subscriptions. I mean, Adobe is not Netflix. I don't get it.

Planning to upgrade my laptop I will be downloading Ps Pr Ae Acrobat pro from monkrus or patch it with genp Even if I have money I won't buy it because dollar rate sucks in my country... If I get paid by using adobe I will buy it

Same. These payment plans are egregious

Same here, I love Clip Studio paint, highly recommend the one time payment software alternatives.

@@helloabwatson Ya, and it doesn't even cost that much

Well then again I also payed for zbrush so ya it really doesn't cost that much lol

Clip Studio for iPad and Android unfortunately is using a subscription model, it's only the Windows and Mac version that's a one time purchase. I'm hoping they keep it this way, but I fear they may follow in Adobe's sullied footsteps.

Wow

The forums are made of users not customer service reps.

Its crazy how many digital artist just ignore this and shell out hunderds of dollars on a software that is inferior and a company that doesnˋt care about them.

Can also be used to: Import art and make gif Create animations Clean up linework Create illustrations Clean up scanned illustrations And much more Why someone would tell that is dumb.

I've long wanted it to be both; but on their current course? It never will be. Just a model to earn more money, with minimal additional effort, on their part.

I stop using Adobe since they started this madness. I'm conformable with $100/yr but not $55/m. Adobe is playing the monopoly game that Bitkeeper used to played and that provocation gave birth to git & Github. I know we'll breakout again from this shackle...It's just a matter of time

Yes, this is unethical, illegal, expensive, and immoral. Shady company. And I thought they are good guys with a suite of decent products. Never buy their annual subscription.

It's pure fucking exploitation. I'm in the same situation right now

Kan du fortælle mere om det ? Og hvad gjorde i ? Cannyou tell me more about it and ehat did u do ? I know someone in similar situation

​@@Raor1820 Vi ringede til Forbruger rådet Tænk og spurgte ind til hvad reglerne præcist var på området og så skrev vi en mail til Adopes support. I brevet beskrev vi den "aftale" der blev givet da vi prøvede at opsige vores abbonoment "før tid" hvor vi skulle betale for det resterende år, samt en "bøde" for at opsige abonomentet før tid OG at de lukker adgang til alle deres programmer som jeg altså stadigvæk skulle betale til. Derefter skrev jeg at i følge den Danske lovgivining så er det ulovligt at tage penge for et produkt som jeg ikke har adang til, for det første, derefter må de ikke binde mig i et helt år uden KLAR udmelding og efter meget klar aftale, og jeg som forbruger SKAL kunne trække mig ud uden ekstra omkostninger. Der var vidst nogle flere ting men du som forbruger er meget beskyttet mod den slags handlinger som de praktisere. De gav mig ikke tydelig besked, og da vi gik fra at have studie et tilbud til normal pris, er det ikke lovligt for dem bare at trække pengene, de skal faktisk afslutte "købet" og derefter skal jeg indgå i at lave et nyt, derfor binder det mig slet ikke som kunde. Jeg skrev til sidst at de havde to valg, de gav mig pengene tilbage for det nye år de havde trukket (over 1000+kr) uden omkostninger. Eller jeg tog dem i retten som jeg ville vinde automatisk da det ikke bare er dansk lovgivning men også en lov der gælder i EU. De overførte pengene meget hurtigt... Jeg ville ønske de blev lukket ned i EU dog eller lavede deres business model om så de om ikke andet følger reglerne.. Håber det hjalp!

I think it's time for the industry to start accepting alternatives. It's unreasonable for the entire creative industries to be locked under Adobe's rule. Install GIMP, or Krita. Maybe pay a bit and use Clip Studio Paint which is a much more superior option. I think it would be beneficial to teach these students outside the manipulative Adobe city walls.

@@PomuLeafEveryday those are what I use.

@@PomuLeafEveryday True. I do see a good promise on modern apps like procreate and clip studio. But still, so far.. none can match up to what Adobe could offer, and it's difficult for the industry to use alternatives at the moment. My personal wish is to see procreate through different platform other than apple one day.

@@haechi21 Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo for PS and Illustrator. DaVinci Resolve + Fusion for Premiere and After Effects

@@haechi21 I mean if it is for the purpose of education then wouldn't the students need to understand how digital art exactly works and not how does Photoshop works?? Also many softwares output the .PSD format now also technically people could just pirate I mean it's not a crime if you don't have any choice

I hate that Clip Studio decided to play the subscription game with the iPad. So I didn’t get it for both my iPad and Mac.

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for me the only thing that missing from AD is shape builder, other than that I'm good

What do you think is missing?

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You can always pirate adobe products It's always morally correct

Sometime ago I had an annual license given to me by my employer and when I tried to install Acrobat it failed at the end of the installation. Went back to install the Zii patch for all the adobe collection and never looked back, somehow it felt even more reliable...

LOL

True brooo

Or even get cracks

Subscription has not always been their price model - I remember when you could just buy the software and use it as long as you wanted to (providing your computer and OS could still run it). It was expensive but I always got many, many years out of each version and it was much more affordable for me. I was at an Adobe conference right as they were changing over to the subscription model and boy that was an interesting conference! LOTS of heated discussion among the designers there and very few were in support of this model. I hope the competition can help to rein them in a bit and wake them up to treating their customer base a bit better over time.

@@pammcclung861 Yup, I can only imagine. I remember being in high school when I first started to use PS (circa. 2000), and no one could afford the software. The only option we had was to use the ones on the school computers. However, I didn't realize what expensive was until I got to college and I needed an advance on my student loan to download 3D Studio Max!

Especially because it supports Linux-based desktop OSes! (Adobe CC desktop apps only support Windows and Mac OS)

👍. I love that software. So amazing that it's completely free.

:)) yoss

The Virgin Adobe CC vs. The Chad Open-Source art apps

Haha, right.

@Blind Sighted the affinity suite is the main competitor to adobe’s design suite

@@manavgala2361 is there a product like after effects or some animation tool in there?

@Blind Sighted For photo editing, I use GIMP. It doesn't have the fancy smart stuff, but you get all the tools to touch up images. For drawing, there's Clip Studio Paint which is my personal favorite, not free, but there's a one time payment, and it's so much cheaper than Adobe CC, and has animation tools. If you want to try something free there's Krita, great brushes, works well, the UI just feels a little jank in places, even has animation tools. I'm also a Galaxy Tab user so I guess I'll throw in Android suggestions. There's also Clip Studio Paint on Android, but only subscription plans are available, still really cheap, like $6 a month. Krita on Android sucks. I use Infinite Painter on Android, cos I don't want to bother with subscriptions. It has a one time payment to unlock everything.

@@lindersi There's GIMP for photo editing, and for doing touch ups on your art. Both Clip Studio Paint and Krita have animation tools.

@@lindersi For vfx, color grading and video editing, there's DaVinci Resolve which is free. I can't vouch for its ability to do motion graphics yet because I can't find any motion graphs to edit keyframe interpolations and curves. (Edit: Oh wait, I just recalled there is a motion editor) For animation, if ToonBoom is beyond your budget, Moho Pro is a good software for character rigging and vector animation.

Slightly different but thats the reason I won't buy the oculus. Locked into Facebook, pay for the games but they can lock you out. "You will own nothing and be happy" is spot on. And the reason I stopped using Adobe software.

@@Sandfire564 The way I see it, subscribing to Adobe is analogous to renting a building where I sell my products and make money, and subscribing to Netflix is like throwing money into a hole while laughing and enjoying it. I mean, there's nothing wrong with subscribing to services that merely provide entertainment, but how can it be worse to subscribe to the tools of our trade? I'm not a fan of subscribing or renting anything, but I certainly think that Adobe makes a whole lot more sense than Netflix.

The only part that works in that model is the "own nothing" part.

I agree, they could defo be more clear especially when it comes down to young adults, or people with learning disabilities, they do need to make it a bit more clear, and maybe make it more affordable for schools or add more options for the subscriptions for school... I will still get the annual sub in december, I usually get the photoshop and lightroom monthly but will now get all the apps so I can get better acquainted with the other apps... People just need to go with what they can afford...

I can agree on this, with a one if payment that would make it more affordable for people, even having abundle with them all that we pay one off for would be ideal, they'd still get their money regardless...

I was able to lower my $78 CAD a month subscription to $30 / Month. Still a bit pricy considering its $360 / YR but manageable

You mean your school wasn’t paying?

@@Ramparts4 exactly

@@Ramparts4 our uni only covers subscriptions for on campus machines, it’s an expense we have to cover outside, lockdowns changed this for this year but a few people lost money trying to leave others at same time no issue

@@andrewarmstrong5266 in that case the university didn’t supply you with anything. If I were you I would send the bill for the cancellation fee to the university since they told you to sign up in the first place.

@@Ramparts4 you mean university's normally buy Photoshop for students home use?

I'm happy to pay for the software, but I'm not happy to keep paying for years for software. I'd happily pay $500 for PS if there were no further fees, but i'm not going to pay $300 a year for however many years i need to use it.

I'll pay as well. But not Adobe. I would never do subscription either. When I upgraded my whole system a few years ago, I decided not to go with the big rip offs. I ditched pro tools, flash, illustrator, photoshop, etc. There are better options to all. Also, paying alot doesn't mean your going to get the best software. Blender is great. Free. Krita, free.Clip paint is really good. Cheap. And many more. I'll give to those guys.

​@@JAHDUBProductions There's nothing better than Photoshop and Illustrator. The closest you can get to Illustrator right now is Coreldraw, which is pretty unreliable and costs about 20 cents less. For Photoshop there is nothing even close to what Photoshop does. There are lots of great options for one thing or another, but nothing has it all in a single program. For example, with Clip Studio Paint, you can paint a picture but you can process it for print. If you're not working in print, you wouldn't be concerned with that or aware of what is required, but Photoshop covers those processes thoroughly. Expensive software has the kinds of features that are needed by professionals and major industry. Cheaper software tends to not go into those areas, but if they did, the software would be more expensive.

@@KuttyJoe i do have photoshop and illustrator. And corel. Older versions. I don't dislike the software. I dislike the company. I stopped using them because I don't like being locked in to a subscription base that the bigger companies are using now. I do like corel. I don't subscribe to anything. And now that blender has crazy 2d tools, I've been all in on blender. Clip studio does have print quality. It was made for comic book creation. I'm not a professional though. Audio production is my main thing. I just use design to push music. But if I can just buy software, own it, they leave me alone, I leave them alone, work offline and that's it.

loser!

Illustrator alternative: Inkscape Affinity Designer

Premiere: Davinci Resolve

@@jakemorris111 Vegas Pro as well

Concepts is also a good vector based program for all platforms

Affinity in general covers 3 key pieces of software

Since Affinity Designer did all your jobs and you made money from them I would definitely consider it "pro level". Adobe isn't deserving a monopoly on that term.

now you pay that one time payment every year.

I remember back when I purchased Photoshop Elements 6. It was basically an affordable Photoshop without its "advanced features". I think the modern version of Photoshop Elements is still a one-time purchase, but it feels like a watered down, third-party software made for people unfamiliar with photo editing, rather than a cheaper alternative for hobbyists looking to get familiar with Adobe products.

It used to be 1 payment and then the new version came along and pay again. Subscription at least you are always on the latest version.

I agree! No great alternative for Acrobat DC. Been searching for years now

@@Twixt-ng try PDF X Change Editor. It works great for me

PDF element is your answer, been using it for 3 years and with the new updates is HOT

The thing is you often use multiple apps in a creative project, not just one. So free alternatives not only have to work well by themselves but also with other apps and that's rarely the case.

Clip studio is also subscription based on Android and iOS.

Compared to Photoshop, Clip Studio is better for illustration...but worse in everything else.

@@MASJYT everything else? 👀

The "pay once, use forever" is the best model. If, other than fixes, new features are added to the software then the company can use the same model again to sell the new version giving a loyalty discount to owners of previous versions. That way their customers aren't ripped off.

@@Potatomelon111 Exactly. Every Little Helps. And that's 120 more I can earn interest off.

How does it compare to sketchbook?

I totally agree with you on that!!!

Just shows that they were greedy then too. They've just found a better way of extracting wealth that on the surface appears like a better deal. Kind of like turtles in a stew pot with the heat turned up so gradually that they don't notice they are being cooked.

It's awesome. I'm currently using Adobe because of school but also have affinity. I 100% agree with you. Affinity gets the job done and does it well.

Looking at their pricing tiers it looks extremely arbitrary and ridiculous. You pay more if you need less.

I will take adobe full suite and you will pay for all of this and i would not bothered to looking at their website! :) People are counting their money.

Actually even after I start earning I still would never invest in Adobe's Creative Cloud Suite because it's kind of bullshit to be honest also why give a company my precious money when they don't even innovate anymore

@@Aman_Mondal but they added a color wheel ... (yes I'm sarcastic)

@@phantomapprentice6749 great for them but I have always preferred the colour puck from Autodesk Sketchbook I don't know why it just feels optimised for artwork

@@Aman_Mondal Man, I would love for another software to use similar UI elements of Sketchbook. Especially for colour and basic zoom/pan, it's so intuitive and it's a shame others don't have a similar approach.

I get what you mean. For professionals who do multimedia work, CC suite is well integrated with each other. PSDs and AI can be imported to After Effects. Smart objects can toss vectors between PS and AI, ditto for AE files with Premier. Not to mention, there's just no beating After Effects for vfx and motion graphics. But with the subscription model, Adobe's real clients are corporations like Disney.

There's one thing to be said about something being "intuitive". It may simply mean that you've learned it and are used to it so it feels intuitive to you now. I doubt it felt intuitive when you first started using it. The thing about different software not feeling intuitive is that you just haven't learned it yet and it may do things in a different way than the software you are used to. The question you have to ask yourself is if that familiarity is worth the rent they are charging you for it or if becoming familiar with something else that does the same things you need would be worth the "cost" of taking time to become familiar with it so that it too is "intuitive".

This is so true! I work in fashion and you are expected to use adobe specifically then any other software as that's what most companies in that particular industry use.

Blender is moving fast though and much of what After Effects does can be done with nodes, but it's a different learning curve.

Yep, did the same once. It’s because they can’t do anything. Its only a contract payment agreement when you pay via a direct debit from the bank. All adobe do is take the money from the card. In the UK anyway, thats not technically an agreement hence they can’t chase you for it, and ultimately why they give up chasing you.

With Adobe's predatory subscription pricing it looks like history is going to repeat itself, this time with Adobe on the receiving end.

If you want to get around the cancellation fee it's pretty easy. Start the process for cancelling your subscription. When they give you the offer to change to a cheaper subscription, take the offer and change to the cheapest one. As soon as you're confirmed on the new plan, cancel again and this time there's no early cancellation fee. At least this worked for me.

@@Ramparts4 That's a really good idea. Wish i knew that 9 months ago since now i have only a few left (plus i have the cheapest version so i don't know if that'd work). Thought i'm never going back to adobe again.

I just removed my credit card and never paid again.

It isn't cheaper. Most people buy the all apps pack which is 600 a year and keep it for several years which makes them more than 1500, ofcourse that's 1500 per update but the reason Adobe switched to this pricing me del in the first place is because they know the software is mature and that almost anyone will need the updates. Ofcourse they lose money on the people who only buy a single app but they make more from the all apps pack than they lose.

But you only paid for it once. You didn't pay rent into infinity, well past the time when that purchase price was recovered.

Adobe's products are overpriced and manipulative. It does not cost that much to maintain those projects. Many Linux distributions survive on donations. Clip Studio Paint is so much cheaper and is a much more superior art program. Good software costs money, but not exploitative prices.

No. Its not; your art anymore.* They are manipulative pos.

Affinity Designer

Tbh "free" softwares mostly rely on ads (like Ibis Paint X) or donations (like Krita and Blender) to get funds for future improvements Don't get me wrong, I'm still against Adobe's business model, but Brad still has a point

@@alfaridarizka865 I believe donations only play a small role in Blender’s total ‘revenue’. But even if they would rely solely on donations; it’s still completely free for the user and an amazingly interesting businessmodel if you ask me; I’ve worked for SaaS companies with more employees than Blender but that are waaaay behind when it comes to updating and upgrading their product.

"until designers, at least a large enough group of designers, are willing to say no more, then Adobe will keep doing this" From what I've seen for years now, enough have said no more. Adobe is still doing it. They worked out all the details of the loss vs. gain. They know they have the schools and graphically inclined corporations to fund them. They don't need to care about freelancers or little shops.

Is the same stuff 😆🤣!

@@AngelaMerici12 some tools have better code like the paint to select is better at realising what from the image you trying to select first try. Cs6 has almost all the same features as cc but they are more basic. If there was another program that actually worked as well as photoshop and converted lines into vectors id jp on it to try.

😆 🤣 🤣 🤣 ✌️! But in all seriousness, I just found out about the subscription because I wanted to buy the program 😂.

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