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no no. he has a good point.

Love this

Who ever I’m holding is gonna lose

Chief would win. It could be argued Arbiter has the equivalent genes of a human for the spartan twos considering his position and higher strength etc compared to a human but chief wins all day due to the reflexes and spartan time chief wins all day long but without armor it's a different story I'm fucking COCKED right now where we're you on today

It's the strongest matchup for sure but I'd have said Noble Six vs Thel Vadaam before he became Arbiter. Like if he were a final boss for reach, would Noble Six be able to defeat him?

Have to say chief would wipe the floor with the arbiter.and it would be even more 1 sided than it was against 6. That be said the arbiter has the tactical mind as supreme commander other than that chief all day.

@@maximus4765 That is a good point. I just thought of Chief vs. Arbiter since the two are dual protagonists in Halo 2 and could easily have come to blows if things played out differently. But Noble Six vs. Thel could very well have happened, now that you mention it. Thel commanded the fleet at Reach and is said to like personally leading ground forces in that one Halo 2 terminal. If the circumstances were different, Fleetmaster Thel easily could have been a boss for Reach, so it would be interesting to see who would be likely to win.

I concur, 6 vs the arbiter is likely a fun matchup that could have happened in universe.

Yeah "What if you miss?" "I won't" A seasoned professional that confident is not rolling the dice. He just knows what he's doing.

Always felt this was what his luck actually was as well.

In Reach, Cortana also chose Six to be her escort to the Autumn. We don't know the parameters behind why, but it's possible she saw a similar amount of luck in them.

@@GigaSiphon03 well six was also the only other spartan rated hyper lethal, same as chief.

Something to consider perhaps is that the Chief was the lone survivor of his Spartan 2 training group. It's described in universe as an inexplicable luck, but there's also perhaps a survival of the fittest element here. The Chief survived for a reason and I always imagined it to be some combination of grit, better intelligence, superior augmentation adaptation, intuition, and situational awareness. In short, he's still alive because he was the absolute best among his peers - and where others see luck, he's genuinely, simply head and shoulders better than everyone else.

Noble team vs Blue Team ends with almost all of noble team on milk cartons from Linda's sniper, in my opinion at least. 6 is likely the only one who could manage to sneak up on her, of the noble team roster

​@@vgmaster-js2zv I think Emile, Jorge, and Six could give Blue Team some problems. Jorge is a Spartan II, Six is hyper lethal like chief (ignoring the hyper lethal retcon), and Emile has CAT II genes and genetically should be superior to most Spartan IIIs

reach dmr vs combat evolved pistol :(((

Blue team vs Noble team is a bloodbath.

@@fordgtguy Yeah, having a cat 2 noble 6 and jorge almost makes it equal fight

I’m hella late but your comment is more or less exactly what I’d have said. 🤛

It isn't plot armour, luck is chief's preparation meeting opportunity and god and the universe letting him survive 🙏

Chief's specialty was being the 2nd best at everything - So he could provide backup to anyone.

Chief was considered "average" by Halsey but also Hyper Lethal? As in the only one who ever held that title besides Chief was Noble 6. To call Chief "Average" is like a slap in the face to his character. I get it, he wasn't the fastest or the strongest Spartan of his Tier but no other Spartan besides him and Noble Six got the title of "Hyper Lethal" Chief is the Best of his Tier not Average.

@@lionbolt2136 i think that's what he meant by "average" as in physically chief wasn't the fastest or tallest or strongest of his generation of spartans, separate from intangibles, skillset, leadership, etc because he is for sure above average in those regards

six heald off an entire armada for 6 months with a knife, while chief got body'd by one brute....6 wins.

@agentwolfpl4703 Thanks for ignoring that chief has spent more time alone behind enemy lines literally fighting the entire covenant army on several occasions. You gonna bring up the brute thing, just remember 6 got killed by an elite.

@@wickedblade4751 yeah we ain talkin bout what happened last time with his old team, or the fact that he has never in lore actually heald off an armada..and in lore his scores are mid, go ahead look it up, almost every spartan is better in every field than he is cope

@@wickedblade4751 oh almost forgot you mean behind enemy line IN A CRYO POD XD

​@@agentwolfpl4703Cope and seethe.

Even if it's just an example. I don't remember if it was mentione anywhere if the arbiter was part of a stealth elite unit, so my money would be on jun even if he doesn't have something like camo

Arbiter will turn half jaw into no jaw in less than 10 seconds

The arbiter would make sure his opponent wasn't a half jaw. He's that quick. And the Arbiter. He's not about killing just...

Poo

Fred is actually better in hand to hand combat than chief , Linda was also better than chief with arms , the thing chief had was that he was efficient in all aspects of fighting , he was not the best hand to hand fighter but he sure was 2nd or 3rd and same goes for shooting .

@@anthonyespiricueta7493 Thanks for sharing, I'm aware of that already, I'm talking about an instance in the books where chief is thinking about Blue Team and is specifically thinking about Fred. The book states that in Chief's opinion Fred is actually a better/equal team leader and a better tactician, and his combat abilities are equal to or greater than his own , however Fred almost always comes in second place right behind Chief. Chief believes this is a conscious choice on Fred's part as Fred doesn't like being in command and doesn't like the attention that comes with being first place in everything. Chief himself thinks Fred is a better Spartan II.

Freaking awesome. There's all so much lore I need to catch up on

@fellowperson6406 the dynamic within Blue Team with John (Chief) and the rest of the squad is so natural and intriguing. They were all taken into the program together and essentially developed a family bond, and that almost translates into their combat efficiency. I believe there's a book where it's one of Blue Team's first missions and they encounter unmanned Wraiths, but have no experience using them. Two Spartan take a Wraith each, and the book describes how they almost simultaneously fire the mortar cannons without any verbal communication

Noble six is only a hollow avatar ”character” for the player and should not be brought into serious lore discussion.

@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820 yeah I ignore the reach game during lore discussions because it's nonsense

@@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820 Technically that's what chief kind of was except for customization. He wore standard looking spartan armor, and it was a while till he got some backstory which noble starts with referencing his blacked out oni files.

@lordcaedus8465 The Fall of Reach novel came out before the first game was released. The back story for Chief was in place from Day 1. Noble 6s story was all hype marketing bs for Reach, which was a terrible game.

Strongly disagree. Spartan II vs Spartan III... Spartan II wins in a landslide every time. Especially in Armor, since the Spartan II's Mjölnir armor is a lot more advanced, heavy duty (not to mention expensive). The 3's were made to be expendable, cheaper, replaceable. The 2's were damn near perfect, but too expensive and difficult to keep mass producing. And this isn't any Spartan II, it's THE Spartan II. The best of the best, not to mention the luckiest... I love Noble 6, but canonically this shouldn't even be a question. Edit: Apparently 6 is a special type of Spartan 3, but most of my points still stand. This is Chief hands down.

The predator loses to average humans

@@kanielabarcai6182 nah 1v1 against arbiter the predator wins

@@Zestilioussstrong disagree but we have our opinions

​@@Zestiliouss Never. Sanghellis have everything to overcome the Predators. If a Predator can't even win against normal humans, imagine against a giant lizard that is equivalent to super armor superior to super humans and has a sword as powerful or more powerful and dangerous than the Star Wars Lightsaber

Blue team does everything what noble team does but better noble could win just by the extra two Spartans tho (if we’re counting blue team as shown in halo 5 Fred Linda Kelly and chief)

@kyza6463 exactly so could go either way. Also could change out our noble 6 for og noble 6 to make it more interesting if it's too easy for noble

Blue team likely takes both times. Even with just the 4 of them, as it has been just those 4 many times before, they have far greater feats than Noble team. Blue team is legendary. Noble team is quite literally a random spartan team.

Overall, Blue team. They’ve been doing it for longer and are more effective

​@@remi2317 Well, Noble Team has SIII's Headhunters who didn't get Mjolnirs for nothing. Although it is indeed a "random" team, I would say it doesn't matter. The feats capabilities are the same or at least similar. Even more so considering how Noble Team became one of the highest priority targets after Visegrad. That Field Marshal hunted down Noble Team because they were absolutely dangerous to what the Covenant was fighting for. And it worked. That team's efforts were vital to humanity. I would say they are resilient and coordinated enough to put up a close fight against the Blue Team

I'd read a book or two from him

Spartan III CAT II are equal or better than Spartan II and have better training over Spartan II.

​@NapalmZ88 people dint seem to understand the lore. CAT2s are at the level of an AVERAGE Spartan II. That's it. They are not special compared to SII they are absolute best case scenario on par. And it really doesn't matter that their training was better because training doesn't equate to field experience.

@@xander.357 better training, augmentations, and motivation over Spartan II. Noble 6 was one of two Spartans labeled hyper lethal. the other being Master Chief. if you go only by physical traits, the S II are bigger and stronger, but to make Cat II you have to meet or exceed the abilities of an S II. noble 6 has feats on par with Master Chief while being smaller and sporting inferior gear. Spartan III were sent on suicide missions like reach so of the 900 or so made there are only a handful of survivors. "The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature."

@NapalmZ88 ok, let me unpack some of this. Their augmentations were not better. They were SAFER and used better technology, but that didn't make them more effective than the augmentations of the S2s. Second, the term hyperlethal doesn't mean anything because it is a nonsense term made up to prop up Noble 6. There are half a dozen S2s with feats that are on par with Master Chief but they didn't get the designation because it doesnt exist outside of the Reach game and thr promotional material for the reach game. On that same note, you mention 6s feats. Please tell me what they are specifically without reference to Reach or its promotional material and nothing vague like "he made entire milita groups dissappear. He was a Saber pilot. " I could pull out a dozen novels and give you canon feats from master Chief and again other spartan 2s. Also, cat2s were labeled similar to S2s based on genetic markers, not ability. And you're also incorrect about the number of S3s left. The majority of gamma company survived the covenant war and were operational til somewhere between the events of Halo 4 and 5. Atleast 100 of them let's estimate.

​@@xander.357 The fact that Noble 6 is equal to the Chief despite having inferior armor and physical stats tells you just how skilled he was.

Bro the reason why there isn’t much covenant in CE is because the original Xbox couldn’t handle that many AIs all in one place without crashing. In reach he has Mjolnir

The story of Reach is more like an alternative universe nightmare because the game goes against all the established lore. The fleet of particular justice was in orbit not on the ground, and that was the fleet that pursued the Pillar of Autumn. So know the fact that 6 killed a few doesn't impact the presence of the fleet at the first game.

@@Creatic58 apparently someone didn’t get the joke

@@jakoblopez5691 There isn't one. The original comment wasn't joking

​@@Creatic58I always cringe when people wanna "lorify" things that are clearly hardware limitations. Its kinda hilarious seeing people cut through the BS and just state it plainly. "The reason why you don't see so much covenant in CE is because Noble 6 was so badass" You: nah hardware old

It's not just luck it's culmination of a thousand lifetimes of planning...

Except for the fact through the majority of halo 1-2 and bits of 3 chief was operating solo, including going into the heart of high charity and the library, among many other things.

@@nicholaswolthuis6019 Not contesting that. But, as I stated, that isn't the way hr works best. Chief was meant to be on a team. Whereas 6 was trained for solo missions. Chief also just isn't that great at stealth either, for those reasons I'd say Noble 6 has a distinct advantage. Realistically he'd likely be able to do his job without Chief even knowing he was there. Really though, its all a matter of luck.

@@alexhudson277 fair enough, kinda funny that each game caters to the opposite

@@nicholaswolthuis6019except he wasn’t. He had Cortana in his head helping him.

@@benpope9502 You know full well that doesn't count.

6s edge on being a lone wolf as a headhunter is theorised as primarily being an assassin against insurrection leaders so more smash an grabs against humans and less fighting against foes what would actually challenge a Spartan like a elite brute or overwhelming numbers chief however it’s littered with situations where he’s faced foes equal or superior to his skill deeming him more equipped to a situation with a 1v1 with a equal foe

@@kyza6463 yeah that makes sense, I wish we had more lore on 6 to really figure this out because by information we have we can say chief wins, but we don't know about all of 6's achievements again equal or more powerful foes

@@asherogden3056 Chief is also a lone wolf if you played the games or even read parts of the books you would see many many time he was fighting against an army of floods and covenant by himself. In fact Chief mentioned that Marines and ODST are great help but he would rather work alone because they would just slow him down or unless his Blue Team was with him.

@@richardkim3652 that's understandable

@@kyza6463 I don't know the cannon version of lone wolf indicates that while surrounded, being attacked by banshees and wraiths. Noble six was able to fight off an entire covenant army by himself for at least 3 hours before eventually being overwhelmed. Not to mention the evacuation of new alexandria and the follow up mission to destroy covenant jammers show that on his own noble six could easily take down elite brutes, many hunters, and other challenging opponents. So clearly those skills as a lone wolf operator translated to more difficult, capable, and numerous enemies. For what its worth my money is still on master chief, but I think Noble 6 has a really good shot at taking the chief in a firefight.

N6 didn't fight the covenant till the fall of reach.

MC is just stronger, and more experienced. The S2s also likely had better overall training since they had a smaller class and weren't trained to just die immediately.

@@remi2317 the IIIs were just lower quality in general, even if they had identical training (it was close but not quite as good), they would still be slightly worse just because of how much less strict the parameters were. Halsey's program only had 150 potential candidates, every company of IIIs had 300 that went into the program, that doesn't even include however many they cut out

@proper7439 yeah, don't get me wrong, S3s are still insanely good, but no where near the level of even the worst S2s. Maybe the best of the best S3s were almost on par (not physically but skillwise) to the worst S2s, but they were never quite there. Every s2 is very good at almost everything, with a few specializing even more. They were bred and trained to fight for years. S3s were trained for one mission essentially. Even if their training was on par with the 2s, which it wasn't at all, and the S3 was a cat 2, it doesn't change the fact that the S2 is likely bigger, and just as skilled.

@@remi2317 y'all keep downplay s3's just to glaze the s2's. Gamma company produced the best Spartans in history.

Totally agree, Six is used to operating alone, in stealth, without AI, and probably has headhunter experience.

Probably not.

No, no spartan could have survived that

he would have. hijacking a banshee, infiltrating some vessel, escaping.

He would have lasted exactly as well as noble 6 did no better by any means. Just because you may win, and I emphasize “”may”” win in a one on one that does not mean you are better in war on the field against the enemies. One on one Duel and war are not the same thing.

@@Chrisspru and 6 wouldn’t have if he could?

I mean to be fair both are pretty good motivations One is where you had your childhood erased so you can spend countless hours every day and night to train to become the best soldier alive and the other is watching your parents die and training until you can fulfil that revenge

I feel it honestly depends on the space marine and what chapter they are in. I feel it also depends on if they can use all weapons from their universe that are hand held that they generally use. I feel the space marines win 9 out of 10 times but I wanna see what happens if a spartan is given plasma weapons.

@@traehanson6013 I guess Spartan 2 Vs space marine is too broad a concept, there needs to be some rules. How about a space wolf with a thunder hammer Vs Spartan 2 with gravity hammer?

@nikolapetrovic4814 that sounds like it would be an insanely good match up

Chief is as strong if not stronger, as durable in his titanium plating and shock absorbing gel layer, if not more so due to the energy shielding, faster (can maintain 60mph running speed without damaging mjolnir) and likely has a better reaction speed

@@charles-vi7qb I agree that the shields and the reaction times for Spartans are basically instantaneous. It's just the space marines armor that I would be worried about

I like this one but power scale is hard for ig depending on the regiment. ODST vs Elysian is one of those ones that I can't decide is fair or unfair, ODST equals special forces which would make Stormtroopers/scions a better shout but the Elysians are so well trained they might be considered special forces in other franchises and are all veterans before joining. Or you have the middle ground between Elysian and Scions which sits the harakoni warhawks. This is tough.

@martinford4553 good points, but I would posit that virtually any of the more well known IG regiments would be considered "elite" when compared to almost any other fictional military. They only suck in 40k because...well...40k. Scions are just next-level elite. The (baseline human) Tier One Operators of 40k. And the match up between ODSTs and Elysians would be fair (in my eyes) because Elysians have the best equipment and training of virtually any non-Scion regiments in 40k.

@@bigz4339 Oh don't get me wrong I know the Elysians don't even suck by 40k standards. These guys and girls are something else, they regularly fight orks even before joining the guard. Not my favourite guard regiment but they are up there. Although while they have good equipment it's mostly on the lighter side which suits them. The odst might be have heavier pieces for once but then again the Elysian effectively has infinite ammo. His accatran can just keep going for longer. Scions to be fair are crazy, up against an ODST I would feel bad for the helljumpers. These guys can deal with space marines. Those poor ODST would be Tuesday for them.

Chief, completely Even arbiter's line when johnson jokes about them killing each other is "Were it so easy". He knows taking on chief would be a really tough challenge.

Chief, but I don’t think it would be easy at all. But definitely in his abilities.

@@scarclaw72elites and Spartans are evenly matched in strength it comes down to the individual chief is average amongst amongst the sII thel is up there definitely superior duelist/hand to hand combative to chief, thel is a better tactician and commander chief would be a better marksman chiefs armour would be superior it’s tough but hand to hand no armour thel hand to hand armour even in a firefight chief commanding and army thel

​@@kyza6463Jai almost killed Thel in h2h in 2532 while wearing MK IV armor. The MC in the MkVI armor is easily stronger and better than Thel.

@@remi2317 one could argue thel nearly killed jai the reason for thel being scared in that encounter bc it was a faceless enemy what showed no sign of struggle even tho Spartans certainly do struggle they just don’t show it

Possibly, but if we look at real-life scenarios like UFC or boxing, they have weight classes for a reason. A lighter fighter may be more skilled but would lose to a fighter in a heavier class. Also, we can't forget that Chief probably had hundreds of hours sparing other spartan 2s both in and out of armor. I honestly don't know much about 6s lore, so I can't argue a counterpoint to my statements.

I feel like ufc isn't a good reference for real life fights you can't even elbow. Especially considering Spartans are shown to mess brutes up who are easily 3x the sir of a spartan suit. Unless lore came out that 6 had been hunting chief level targets from day 1 and they both fought at 22. Not much would change. On paper 6 has better training but the shear amount of near death chief has come by. He's much better equipped. Reach was 6's time to shine and he did it but not as well as cheif

I don't think it would matter, John almost killed ODST's by accident because he didn't pull punches. Judging by the differences in augmenting in the spartan 3 and 2 program, I'd say chief could just endure any hits that land

Yea but chief also had to go against the flood. While noble 6 didn’t

Samus’s tech is way better, but their body augmentation and training is about on par, Samus probably has more overall experience tho

Only one Spartan needs to reach a pinch reactor on high charity either a docked ship or one in the city what’s not powered by the forerunner ship chief ran fades on high charity for a bit before the flood arrived blue team ran a muck on the “uneven elephant😁” if you get it you get so I reckon with all Spartans on board even if one Spartan team get over ran another team can cause enough of a ruckus to divert forces to them the Spartans can’t win the fight but they definitely have the capability to destroy the city even if it means them sacrificing themselves in the process

Cool idea. But Prophet and the boys are only enhanced through their suit. If we are putting Prophet in his Crysis suit, vs Chief in his Mjölnir armor... there's absolutely no match. Without their armors, Chief accidentally kills Prophet in one single punch or kick. Prophet in his armor, vs Chief without armor - that's the closest you're gonna get to a fair match-up. But my money would still be on Chief.

​@@hylianchrissC3 prophet is not human nor is Alcatraz as all of the organic parts where replaced it with syntetic nano tech

@@markss367 Chief is still larger, stronger, faster, more durable, has better armor minus the cloak, and more experienced than the Crysis guys

@@ImHerbert-moon Prophet is almost big as Chief And i dissagree on the speed and strength Prophet can sprint up well over a 100kph And can lift just aamuch as mc

​@@ImHerbert-moon No. Prophet massively outclasses Master Chief in everything.

Guardians win 10 out of ten times. It’s hard to powerscale an mmo but Guardians have easily taken on multiversal beings. It’d be closer to compare Guardians to Doomguy than the Chief

@@Prophet311 Yeah, they _say_ they fight multiversal beings, but… I dunno, there’s a lot of grey area in that franchise. Hence why I think 00 should look into it. He has a good way at carving away the hearsay and getting to the truth.

@@SchneeflockeMonsoon I've agreed on this for a while. It's a far more interesting comparison. There are lore feats for Guardians which no Spartan could replicate, even physically (Some titans may actually be physically stronger, off the top of my head), but I do not think any one Guardian comprises the complete physical and psychological package a Spartan offers. Take away their paracausal abilities, and I think they start to lose in most engagements. Titans are strong, for instance, but are they fast? Warlocks are smart, but can they flip a tank with their hands? Hunters are sneaky, but can they go from slitting a throat to throwing a telephone pole with a speartip into a giant hulking monster charging straight at them hard enough to clothesline it to death? I'm also not sure any Guardian can quite match the reaction times Spartans are known to exhibit. Perhaps there's a feat somewhere in the tomes of lore Destiny has which I've overlooked, but they seem to be much closer to human baseline in that area. Then you have intangibles. Smart AIs in the SNI vs. the Ghosts, for instance. There isn't a clear-cut answer on these things, either way, especially when you factor in things like how Spartans are highly effective in teams, but tend to offer a more complete skillset than a Guardian would have alone (Which is not to say they aren't incredibly deadly alone, just that they're more specialized), but Guardians are intended to fight in teams and have complimentary skillsets which asymmetrically scale, probably more so than the level of benefit Spartans have from working together (Which, again, is not to say there is _no_ benefit, just less in relative terms). Then you have other factors like how durable or powerful or flexible certain pieces of technology are. One thing a _lot_ of comparisons tend to overlook is the exact level of firepower available to each side. People tend to simply gloss it over and assume they're roughly comparable, but for instance, what if one side uses weapons capable of punching right through a fully-charged MJOLNIR's shields, suit, and occupant, or the other side has peashooters the shields would barely notice? One cannot simply take these things for granted, they need feats and measurements done. It would require an _extensive_ breakdown of lore to perform a cross-series analysis. Destiny is paradoxically a universe where humanity is far worse off than it was even in the darkest chapters of the Human-Covenant War and the Created Conflict, but a lack of extrasolar colonies or the FTL capabilities needed to make them notwithstanding (And it seems like the technology and infrastructure to make this happen exists, but 40K-ish space horrors simply prevent easy departure from Sol), but where a lot of humanity's tech is significantly more advanced, and potentially more powerful to boot. Shields and directed energy weapons took decades of research and incredible sacrifices for the UNSC to obtain even in a very limited fashion, while in the Destiny universe, they came up with them before first contact with hostile alien races ever took place, just as one example. (Up to and including weaponizing black holes. In man-portable rifles. Some of those feats are _very_ crazy, more so than people not deeply immersed in Destiny's lore would realize.) I do not recall seeing anything exactly equivalent to a MAC weapon in Destiny, though there are certainly weapons which could be comparable or even far greater in destructive power. They're just rarely used so we don't have as much information on them either way. Their tactical utility, ease of manufacture, ease of deployment, ease of use, uptime, etc. On the other hand, humanity managed to bounce back and even start recolonizing in Halo, with them eventually managing to terraform and begin to resettle Reach a few decades after the events of the series to date. In Destiny, while recent events have seen humanity defeat even galactic or possibly extragalactic empires, it has struggled to regain lost territory since existential threats keep getting in the way. Installation00 would need help. Perhaps a collab with My Name Is Byf, or Myelin Games? He needs a detailed understanding of the lore and the only way to get that quickly is to ask the foremost experts on it.

@schneeflockemonsoon4224 Unless a spartan can obtain a paracausal infused bullet they ain't killing a guardian. They could probably kill the physical body but the ghost is a whole other question, only 2 ways to kill the ghost, paracausal bullet or sheer strength to crush it (which tbh this could actually factor into the Spartans having a higher chance) Only issue is the Spartans wouldn't know this, as it would be their first time fighting a guardian and wouldn't know the ghosts purpose until it resurrects the guardian giving the guardian the chance to fight back with renewed knowledge of their opponent. Plus guardian have access to weaponry far superior to that of what a Spartans holds, and let's not forget that the moment they pop their super, the tide of battle could easily change. It's a very rough match for a spartan if you ask me, but I won't lie, it would be an interesting fight.

@@horrorpleb249 Quite possibly. I just have to wonder if the Spartan will speed blitz the Guardian, see them come back for more, then see the Ghost bring them back again and go “oh sh^t, the flood!” and then smash the ghost against the floor until it stops making things they make dead not dead anymore.

He doesn’t, bro died on Reach after an epic several hour long last stand against the Covenant, No books about him sadly

Fan fic unfortunately

He literally explained that CAT2 Spartan 3's are the same as Spartan 2's 🤡

@yigitbey1486 even if the upgrades are comparable, Chief's size gives him a massive advantage. Chief's augmentation is better because it can achieve the same level of performance but also makes him much larger. It's more impressive when someone is near 300 lbs and can run a 4.5 sec 40 yard dash than someone who is sub 200 lbs

@@daltonburroughs3811 I've not watched the video yet but if I remember correctly, Chief and Six are almost the same in height and build. Like the other comment said mentioning CAT2 spartan 3s, they could have been spartan 2s effectively Edit: Watched the video and the rust is off of my mind, OP made good points!

@bluairsoft2671 Chief has quite a bit of weight on 6, Chief is at least 5 inches taller, and is stronger while being just as fast. Spartan III's were smaller in general due to the differences in their augmentation.

Actually i’m pretty sure Spartan 3 augmentations are just as good, except they’re chemical based. Spartan 2’s go through surgery to do it, and according to lore some Spartan 3’s were good enough that they could’ve gotten Spartan 2 augmentations. If Six is the only other Hyper Lethal Vector, I don’t find it hard to believe he could be one of them. Also, Spartan 3’s have harsher training. But you’re right, Six outside of armor is 6’9” and 239 lbs, if Halopedia is correct. If they’re not, then I doubt Six would be any smaller.

Agreed

Well yeah, he was just dialing it back and forth so that when combating, they're both as evenly matched as possible, which puts Chief younger and in armor he no longer wears just to give 6 a chance. In the year 2552, Chief fighting Noble 6 is a hands down Chief wins situation, he has the experience, the augment adaptation from years of fighting as a Spartan (the augments, or at least some of them, were said to become stronger as the Spartan aged), and overall just the technology advantage since he can wear full MJOLNIR armor where as I'm uncertain if Noble 6 can wear more than just SPI grade armor. The Mark V [B] (and the lineage of armor specs that followed it) was supposed to be the first attempt at putting Spartan 3's in MJOLNIR grade armor iirc. There has been debates of whether or not Spartan 3's were already wearing MJOLNIR grade armor and while it sounds correct, the whole point of S-III's was to make cheaper Spartans, which meant putting them in cheaper armor, hence SPI. MJOLNIR armor usually costs a lot more than just an arm and a leg to make even 1 set, so if S-III's did have MJOLNIR grade armor, it's probably stripped of everything that makes it so renowned.

Chief fanboys incoming

I agree with you. I've always believed Spartan IIs to be superior batch against the IIIs (and even IVs). Even if the Spartan Is (Orion Project) was successfully, the IIs were the tip of perfection across the whole Spartan programs. As much as I love Noble Six (that's my Spartan, the one identify with on a personal level), I just have to give the win to the Chief. My belief is that any Spartan II has a leg up against the Spartan IIIs and IVs. Spartan IIs have the most experience and training aginst any Marine, ODST and the Spartan IIIs and IVs they are serving with along their period.

​@@ndositwechizimbi7299On average an s2 is beating an s3. But there are outliers such as noble team. To be exact, Noble team is composed of all CAT2's(besides Jorge), meaning they have the genetic markers that Halsey used to select her S2's. CAT2 were given Mark V(b) , which is literally identical to Mk4, with the addition of test bedding energy shields and armor abilities. Given that S3 augmentations and training are said to be superior to that of S2 (Kurt said as much), a fully matured CAT2 Spartan 3 will be superior to your average Spartan 2. Now this does not apply to Blue team as they could be considered the CAT2 of the Spartan 2 program.

Noble 6 was a spartan III, so almost all of his augmentations were lower grade than Chief's (there were a couple, like their vision, that was slightly better)

Iron Man no contest he would body Chief on easy mode.

@@guilliman1990 depending on version yes to a degree. Earlier versions of armor not a hope. His best defense is stay in air and long range shooting. He’s not capable of beating him in melee. Ironman is stronger but slower.

If its the Doom Slayer, then Samus just gets neg diffed as Doomguy has spent eons killing very powerful demons, being unkillable and only using guns because he finds them fun.

He might actually do better because of his background as a head hunter. Maybe out maneuver him with stealth

​@stevenjamebro would get clappeds5874

Bro would get clapped

No lol

Noble 6 only died because they fought alone, non stop for several days against an endless tide of covenant without any possibility of extraction as the planet melted around them

@@charles-vi7qbaccording to lore Masterchief punched a banshee out of orbit

@@Creatic58 out of the air*, im not saying he isn’t strong as hell, im just saying noble 6 is clearly a extremely deadly foe on the battle field

@@charles-vi7qb OK. But Chief committed a one man assault on their most fortified military insulation in existence. Noble 6 was just defending. There were easily as many ships plus at high charity and he just didn't care. As silly as it is, if Chief was abandoned on reach he would have stolen a covy ship and flown it home.

@@syd4952 the assault on high charity was much more of a impromptu infiltration onto the forerunner dreadnaught while the covenant were at their weakest, of course it would require someone like chief to pull that off, he also had the additional help of cortana, which is the sole reason he wasn’t stuck in the first room. Also, if it were that easy to escape reach, noble 6 would have done it, except total air superiority over the planet means the moment chief got into the air, he would have been hounded by banshees, phantoms, and anti air fire before he could get anything significant done.

I lean towards Noble 6 as well.

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"Hyper lethal" is code for "player controlled." It has no other meaning in lore.

It's odd because the hyper lethal vector thing should be applied to the rest of blue team too considering some of the crazy things Linda has done, always been a nonsense bit of lore

If were talking DOOM guy from the og games from the 90s then Chief wins easily. If were talking about the DOOM SLAYER than Chief doesn't stand a chance

If we were to compare their feats in their own universe to each other, both were able to destroy their universes "hells" and demons, as well as "gods" essentially. But physically, Doom Slayer is much stronger, and scales with his enemies

Does Doom slayer have access to the bfg? If so, doesn’t matter what Chief does. If not, then I’d say 8/10 times DG beats MC

@@treswolves5512 But the Master Chief could also have access to the BFG. MC used foreign weapons daily so he could easily use Doom Guys. Doom Guy is also a lot slower and weaker than Doom Slayer. It's a lot closer