What made you vote to leave?

Whatever you do, please do not stop lying, it makes the rejoin side look desperate.

@@davidgreen6490whatever you do, try not to sound bitter lol

​@@davidgreen6490I actually did vote brexit, though.

​​@@ZiggyStardust49Fell for the Farage lies. It was never about immigration for me, though.

Only some did it, though.

@@annepoitrineau5650 Who are you trying to kid?

Democracy is great until you lose.

​@lamestreammedia3154 recent research has shown that your average brexiter has a lower I.Q. than your average remain voter. So there you have it! As Churchill once said, 'the biggest argument against democracy is five minutes talking to the average voter'.

@@robertfmorton Where as those on the left are suceptible to dark-ego-vehicle principle: New study suggests that people with dark personalities are drawn to certain ideologies. However, their motivation is not driven by a genuine desire for social justice. Instead, they use these ideologies to fulfill their own ego-centered needs.

People who claim that their opponents suffer from the dunning-kruger effect, usually suffer from the dunning-kruger effect themselves.

@@mrembarrassed7406🤦

​@@mrembarrassed7406 Said the orange man.

@@mrembarrassed7406 and your evidence for that assertion is...

Oh dear, this comment hasn’t aged well ! Ask the farmers across Europe how they feel about the EU….

saved by joining the eec? yeah we went from have textile mills producing the best products in the world to putting people out work and then buying dirt cheap clothes from the far east and boosting their economy and supporting child labour, putting our fishermen out of work so everybody could overfish and now she admits THEY made a mess and it's up to us to fix it (that's code for "we miss your money") hence the reason they had to scale down their budget from 66 billion euro.

its a shame they didnt leave 40 years earlier!

My recollection was that we were overfishing and it took EU regs to protect the fish stocks

@@ronniewilliams9884 yeah we were over fishing that much that we had to let in the whole of europe to empty the english channel, you need to do some better recollecting and stop listening to leftie o'brien.

@@ronniewilliams9884 In 1973, fishing was 0.12% of the UK economy.

Hi Neil, you're not alone. A few of my clients had similar issues, so stopped trading with the block as it became too expensive, other set up EU subsidiaries or used 3rd party partners based there. Ultimately it means revenue losses for businesses such as yours

100% agree and don't forget importing is also a major problem now...Power of Attorney docs, looking up commodity codes, customs forms, then paying import duties, customs clearance charges and deferment taxes...can wack 25 -30% on costs...therefore fueling inflation, then delays as goods get held up in customs...and I still get idiots telling me the EU is punishing us for leaving. They won't admit the glaring truth which is we imposed these restrictions on ourselves. We could have done a Norway and left the EU, but stayed inside the Single Market & Customs Union, but no, that wasn't enough for the hardliners, most of whome still think the reason it's failed is because it wasn't hard enough!🙈

Anyone with any sense knew it would happen.

That's only because the EU has made it difficult for you , they could make it so much easier but they want to give us a kickin for leaving , so if you want to blame anyone , blame the EU .

That just sounds like sunk cost fallacy. Of course EU was your biggest market, BC it was the one we were previously most integrated with. And since when was Brexit exclusively an economics issue?

third world problems

Unless Bloodstock or Damnation book certain acts the odds are now we're not getting them, or at best we're getting London and that's it.

We hardly ever see a lot of our old favourites they prefer to play Las Vegas rather than the UK . You can’t blame them ..

As a geologist I was confused for a second😅

no its first world problems in a first would society! Its all relative you know. @@mandismith89

Thanks Jacob. 😜

@@coppershark1973 Christ that name made me shudder

Look at the state of the nation in 2010 and look at it in 2023. I think we can say there is very little difference at all.

@@davidgreen6490 You might want to go to Specsavers then! The economy was growing again after the banking crisis, the NHS was top health service in the world, there was far less poverty and inequality, less crime...

Meds?

Our parents and grandparents were not given any choice in 1972, and they were told they were joining a free trade club in 1975 - not a political union of 27 countries involving the destruction of their country, the abolition of their currency, mass uncontrolled immigration and becoming 3rd class citizens in their own country, as well as having their wages undercut in order to reduce them to utter penury and poverty, and doubling of house prices.

@@JupiterThunder Mate: UK's problems you mention here are real. It is just that EU had nothing to do with them, other than having been a saving grace for ~45 yrs. UK on its own chose to swap its manufacturing for services. UK govs decided on their own to not invest anywhere but London and Kent. UK decided to essentially privatize education so the country needed immigrants to perform many tasks, while the own population couldn't compete with trained foreigners. Yes, you were had. But not by EU.

@@JupiterThunder None of that happened. The UK is not destroyed, the UK still has the pound, the mass uncontrolled immigration began after the Brexit vote and UK citizens are not 3rd class in the UK.

​@@JupiterThunderinternet winner of the day 😂😂😂

You think your grand parents and world war 2 veterens wanted their capital and other places to be run by islamists? You obviously don't know your grand parents very well.

It must be a very old bus 🚌 if the engine is under the bonnet 😊.

@@andrewrobinson2565 .. You do know the bonnet on a bus with a rear engine is at the back don't you? 🤔

@@JustAGameShow Never mind it's JustAGameShow. 🤣 (I didn't, now you mention it. Where's the bonnet of an electric car with the motor under the seats?)

Hand in your passport - renounce your British citizenship and leave - bet you don’t though

Ashamed of that Electorate!😮

​@@Villain1874Ah! A troll.Hello, troll

@@Jakestreet Ah! A remoaner - Hello little one 😘

@@Villain1874 I don't have to I'm Dual Nationality.. British Italian...I have the right to live and work in the UK and the right to live and work in The EU... I have more rights than you Mr Brexiter...

That' what we voted for. You are now paying for something for what was subsidized by the rest of us.

Those were never 'conned'. They were, and still are, wilfully complicit. The truth is completely irrelevant to those rabid ideologues. For them, the end entirely justifies any means.

The ones who are still clinging to the carcass, still chundering out the tired phrases, still fuelled by xenophobia and cheap lager - no compassion for them now, they need to 'suffer' the effects of what they voted for; those who understand now that they were conned, have accepted AND admitted they were conned, are sorry for what they did, and know they should have listened AND learned before the vote...they deserve compassion.

....and you're not..?

But Liberals aren't actually Liberal.

@@chatham43 You might enjoy reading about the Tolerance Paradox.

Muahahaha so true! Omfg!

Jealousy get you no where.

@@timvella1817 I suspect that you're not there

​@@timvella1817It's your money the bankers have got.Don't believe me ? Just look how much less money you have unless of course I'm the only person in the entire country who has been legally robbed.

It means lots more tax revenue for the UK government on those bonuses

@@ToBeOrNotToBeThatIsTheQuestion I'm sure the bankers will work a way around that problem A bit like Sunak only paying 20% tax, despite earning significantly more than is required for the 45% rate

You mean the Earth isn't flat ?

70% of the Earths surface is water, uncarbonated….. therefore….. flat….. 🤪

In other words, the earth is not flat?

Be quicker to make the earth flat than wait for any decision from the EU.

@@simonwinter8839 it has to be! Otherwise it would roll off the turtle !

ironically if it was left to parliament we wouldn't have voted to leave ...it took a referendum to do that.

Great answer! Politicians indeed.

Just hope he doesn't come back .

@@strandedstarfish Thank goodness, I was worried for a while, poor spider.

...brilliant summation...you'll sleep well tonight....😊

I don't think Farage wanted to be President of the EU, do you?

Presumably you could have stayed in France 🇫🇷 and by now had a shinny mauve eu passport?

We know gregory evans was in France. We do not know if it was hols or work. There are people whose jobs allowed them to continue working in the EU, and many who, while working in the EU could not continue after Brexit. In fact, I would like you to explain what your post meant? @@jasbindersingh2441

...nice story...😊

Cobblers springs to mind. Explain how it was 'effed' up.

@@brimkathstampex2306..explain how it wasn’t!🙏🏼

They’ve shovelled 10s of billions to their class. How is that inept?

@@stevendurrant1724 it could have been a trillion+.

​@VincentPeters-vs2us or maybe 2! Debt almost TREBLED since 2010😮

And the EU aren't?

The Darwin awards would also be fully deserved. I am nominatng them!

I voted leave with a passion - and my side won. The smugness I feel in making the right decision is a joy.

​@@dogglebird4430explain how it's the right decision. Tangible advantages. Feelings are irrelevant.

@@Backpfeifengesicht45 I voted for my country to have its sovereignty restored rather than seeing it absorbed into an incipient pan-European superstate.

@@dogglebird4430 Google the world tangible, and try to answer the question again.

@@Backpfeifengesicht45 Ended free movement of people from eu Setting our own zero emotions regulations. Restored democratic control over our lawmaking. Ended eu ID cards as an entry document Being able to make defence deals with other countries outside the eu. The freedom to authorise health vaccine procurement independently. No payment whatsoever to eu budget No contribution to the eu covid recovery fund.

Cue in USSR anthem "Rossia svachenia ..."

That is virtually the only argument I agree with. Brexit is the first time a major member has left any of the major post-WWII international institutions and this gives aid and comfort to the enemies of the West. On the other hand, the UK acted more swiftly over Ukraine than any EU state, so that may be a false perspective.

wants. not thinks. desires are not reality (unless the complacent allow them to proceed unhindered).

They only wished to ship the armaments first 😂 ​@@markaxworthy2508

Indeed so. That was what I did, I'm retired now but I would not have had such a rewarding and interesting career otherwise

😁

Enraged yet all you can do is cry about it on the internet 😂

Lol

​@@Kalus_Saxonsays the guy who never went more than 10miles away from the house he was born in

Hail Johnson who succeeded where Napoleon failed!

Lol, who needs enemies anywa6 with Tory friends like that😂

@@annepoitrineau5650 Napoleon would be the EU today. The UK is so afraid of the consequences of blocking trade from the EU that they haven't even implemented thorough border checks yet (or only recently).

I could not agree with you more. I hope you understood that i was being ironic. @@flitsertheo

​@@flitsertheoBlock away, none here is buying british anyways 🤷

Contempt for conned, double contempt for conmen.

The word "expert" became a slur. Dear oh dear.

Depends what expert you listen too!

BBC experts?

Is that why British exports are up? Der brain alert

Complete nonsense. Just look around your house - and walk into any shop in Europe and look at clothes, tools, garden items, furniture etc. all made in China. Cars made in Korea are increasingly popular. The UK is in a stronger long term position now - it can be flexible and choose who to strike deals with - and has - including the EU. I was especially pleased to see the UK move away from cruel EU animal transportation standards, and I was unhappy I was paying for funding cultural events like bull fighting (look it up) which the UK had no choice but to accept. Do you pay your irresponsible neighbours credit card bill? Do you lock your front door at night and like to decide who stays in your home? Your nation is your home - treat it the same way

all those deals...@@KR-us9pj

Which, of course, all a British companies could. Just like they do in other territories. But many are simply too lazy. No surprise they"re the leading whingers about Brexit. Duh!

Sure mr. Bot.

...........like a cheap imported black market labour force

@@middleman9183 It has been obstructed at every opportunity by the Liberal elite. But Brexit was a nice idea and the UK could have been so innovative. I wish I understood at the time that The Referendum was just a one option vote mandate intended for one Remain outcome. All have been reminded of that since

Benefits?

Benefits? All paid for. And we also paid for every other states Benefits.

⁠@@stuartrussell3490 Brexit was only supposed to appease voters who were veering further right and potentially abandoning the Tories. The leave win was never supposed to happen because it was obviously a bad idea and would always be a disaster. The only people responsible for its failure are those who cynically campaigned for it, the “liberal elite” whoever they are didn’t need to do a thing.

Our funding via the eu

How much did we contribute to the eu again?

@@blueknight3943 Some nations were givers and others net takers. Guess which group the UK was in.

@@barrysnelson4404 we were amongst the top contributors

@@andyjordan79 It was our money in the first place. We were the second largest net contributor to EU funds

Hong Kong & Ukraine

...but that's what you want...so why the whinge...?

Well leave the echr then

Why would they to a friend like you!

@@blueknight3943 Why did you get dropped on your head when you were born?

Since you know they voted Brexit it is surely more moronic for them to deny it than to admit it and say they were wrong.

@@blueknight3943 You are a Brexit voter! LOL

I voted for brexit and I fully admit to everybody I know I was fooled and I was wrong. The stupidest mistake of my life.

And he was entitled to as he would have still been trying to change the status quo. That is not what those who wanted to remain were trying to do. They were trying to alter a vote before that vote had been enacted! That was anti democratic!

Get over it

...like you're not fighting now...genius post..😊😊

@chatham43 I ain't fighting anything, just trying to make the best of everyday

I have no issue with remainers wishing things were different, but constantly crying for another vote is anti-democratic and just pathetic.

It's happened, time to move on

Don't agree with your first point but I do totally with the second... For the vast majority brexit has been put to bed....move on

​@@alunevans2377it happened due to lies and manipulation. Also, the tories implemented a bad version of it that was detrimental for our ecobomy. How can the UK simply move on when it is affecting many people's livelihoods?

Oh dear, this hasn’t aged well ! Ask the farmers across Europe how they feel about the EU….

i agree, let's have another referendum and when we lose let's have another, in fact let's have referendum after referendun until we rejoin, then the brextiers might be happy or will they ?

What utter arrogance to simply assume that nobody but you is capable of thinking for themselves. That everyone but you has their opinions simply dictated to them by the media.

@@CyeOutsider What utter arrogance to simply fly in the face of evidence based fact in favour of an ad hominem non argument.

If you truly believe what you say about the media, and I mean truly believe, then by logical extension of your own argument, you believe that because they want you to believe that, right?

@@unimportantnobody8364 Wrong, pure doublethink, try again. On second thoughts, don't bother.

Actually a mere 37.4% of the electorate dedicded it.

Well, the first-ever choice the young then, now old got tricked into it. Thank EU for VAT for without it to pay for the admission you be richer mate.

Nothing more important than having your own country. It's the the EU that is the scam - a scam to rob British people of their birthright.

@@TheHenstock88 obviously you've never heard of levied between 1940 and 1973 on the wholesale value of luxury goods sold in the United Kingdom. The UK joined the EU in 1973!

@@TheHenstock88 Yet the UK could now reduce or remove VAT, in fact didn't they say they would remove it from energy bills?

@@teddyboysdontknit810 Possibly but if you were making 4.5 billion for each % would you get rid of it?

nah

why, how would that benefit you ?

Name names.

🎯

@@seamuspadraigsanders431 literally every other nation benefitted at our expense.

@@kanedNunable Name 1 and provide proof.

@@seamuspadraigsanders431 Ireland. As a result of the UK leaving the EU, 135 London based Finance firms moved to Dublin (a quarter of the 440 or so finance/insurance sector businesses that moved form the UK to the EU). In general, the financial industry moved about £1 trillion of assets from the UK to the EU. So you could estimate that Dublin benefited to the tune of £250 billion pounds, plus the jobs associated with 135 companies relocating.

In what way exactly?

​@@brimkathstampex2306Take a look at your before and after bank balance and whatever you do don't get sick unless you're going private.

Couldn't do a worse job than the current lot!

Do it. Please!

Given the current choice I'd vote for you.

Yeah man! Legalize it! 😎

I hope so but then when the country starts improving the government will look terrible and they would rather leave us in a struggle than put their hands up and admit they were wrong.

Hilarious.The naiive one who shouldn't be let out,thinks all of our woes will instantly disappear when the german witch waves her magic wand.The rejoin rabble really are as thick as mince.

Brexit is costing the economy £100billion a year. Any ideas?@@andyjordan79

You'll maybe start trying. You'll need a lasting political and popular concensus, to show full understanding it's not just about economy i.e. care about the political project and the common values, to convince you are not going to obstruct everything, to demonstrate you can manage all the duties of a country (anticorruption, full border checks, etc.), and to prove all the member states you can hack it this time. It can be a long slog: you've let things flag.

You can't just "rejoin" and force yourselves back in. You can only RE-APPLY and then MAYBE be allowed back in. That is unlikely to happen anytime in the near future, and when/if it does ever happen, it will be with none of the special exceptions and benefits you had before. That's just how it is.

Very cunning

Anything is preferable to what we have now.

Officially you have to claim that as a politician you're going to accept the euro In reality there's no set date for when you have to join said euro. You just have to tell the nation we're definitely going to use the euro. Other nations use this same tactic too. You just have to "remain committed" It would be a hard sell to people to say "We're gonna get the euro, but not really because this is just a bit of red tape that we have to pretend to care about"

@@James_08_07 I remember when the pound was worth 3 Euros. Imagine if we'd joined with that exchange rate, compared to today's 1:1.

@@waqasahmed939 Perfect! The Yes Minister solution.

Absolutely.

Word

......and the number who think what they'd like to order, is always on the menu at Café EU

They wanted a Brexit that doesn't exist, the one where we get rich for doing nothing.

Well said pal, and fair play for admitting that.

then what., you wanted a different brexit, a fantasy candyland brexit where everything worked out GREAT? well you have it, this IS brexit.

The fact is no one replied to your question , that says it all😅😅

...how has brexit happened...?

Because a sensible majority voted the correct way. Simple. @@chatham43

Well we've got rid of all of those Asians from the Northern towns.Wait a minute....

​@@brimkathstampex2306we're still waiting to hear about Brexit's successes...

Trying to keep you and consoling you is not the duty of the rest of the EU when 51% of your voters and government hve fantastical delusions about reality.

Indeed but it was Germany that imposed that tax on you. Not the UK.

eh, because the UK isn't in their economic zone any more 🤣🤣🤣

@@Asterism55 Correct. Demonstrating EU protectionism.

Your point is well taken. I am by no account a economy buff, but it is my understanding that this "protectionism" is actually the default (as implemented by the World Trade Organization), and free trade agreements, such as the common market, are privileges. Sadly, default was a choice made by the U.K.

@@katximotxilis So the WTO makes Germany impose a tax on you as a German resident because the UK left the EU, according to you. Keep drinking the KOOL Aid, my friend. Sounds like a beneficial deal for EU citizens.

therefore we stay out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The one major EU project that has been successful is the euro, just ask the greeks!!!

Especially the Schengen agreement. Yep, no having your cake and eating it this time.

I think it's becoming clear that the ultimate legacy of Brexit will be the end of the pound, because when the UK finally goes back in it's going to be with both feet.

I don't think he's missing this point. Many of us wanting to rejoin are fully aware of the requirements (and reforms needed). I'd go so far as to say those who voted remain didn't have an exceptionalist mindset to begin with.

Your post deserves far more "likes" than it has.

The Liberal Democrats are the most pro eu. We all know Kier Starmer is pro-EU and would want to bring us back into the single market via EFTA membership if he could. However, he has chosen to change his stance on brexit because he is trying to appease red wall voters. Remember, in 2019, he was advocating for a second referendum and freedom of movement. His admiration for the EU has not dwindled, regardless of what he is saying now. His brexit U-turn might just cost labour the next general election. To openly say there is no case of rejoining the single market is abhorrent, given the evidence. Leaving the single market was the tory and Boris Johnson idea to make us sovereign and a 'global Britain'. We didn't have to leave the single market. Brexit was only about EU membership. EU being a political union, and the single market being a single regulatory economic zone on our doorstep. Those are two very different elements.

Hilarious. Don't hear them bleating much about this now, do we.

Based on flawed modelling assuming that no other country joins 🤦

@@chrisj9700 The initial 0.08% of benefits are totaled to 2040 for the rule takers the UK which is beyond derisory.The Rule takers the UK will be met with astronomical fines if they break or fail to accept rules and regulations handed down from the rule givers in Australia.

You forgot the more important things , full power toasters and vacuums , none of those EU spec ones, MORE POWER !!!.Dyson sends his regards

Dont forget to mention all the other European countries which have left the EU since then!

don't forget better shaped bananas!!! Love my new bananas in the morning. Brexit is just the gift that keeps giving!!

Moggy? Once Minister for Brexit opportunities? How did that go Moggster?

That aged well @stephenreeds3632

What should we be aiming for? Ah, the Immaculate Shining Path Golden Unicorn Brexit?

Brexit can be changed the block cannot which is why re left...

They voted to kick foreigners out of UK and stop them coming back. Xenophobia.

So... brexit was always a unicorn that existed only in the minds of those swindled by politicians peddling lies.

What is the Brexit we voted for

How big is that piece of flotsam you're desperately clinging to?

@@vilebrequin6923 About as big as your swelling of desperation to rejoin that failure of a bloc.

And Big Brother had commissioned a nice big red bus with "£350 million for the NHS" emblazoned on the side

​​@@The_Phoenix_SagaYou look very sooty, Mrs. Phoenix. 😮 (not to mention sh***y on the beaches and the landing grounds).

@@andrewrobinson2565 If that's your best contribution, I'd sit down, kid.

Not the majority. The majority wants to rejoin.

I’m choosing to believe they were gullible and believed their government.

"bought" isn't a typo. I get it. +1😮

In short the UK will be a bit more colorful 🤣

@@franciscouderq1100 Which is what the brexiteers voted for.

your talking horse manure

@@alunevans2377 I speak from factual evidence ,you speak of horse's excrement , just the kind of response I would expect from someone with no contrary evidence !

Indeed , this is my conclusion as well.

"Oxymoron "An American who has studied at Oxford University.

@@simonwinter8839 deflection. Not getting enough attention at home or too much attention at home 😉

So what do you suggest, have another vote? How democratic of you john. I didn't vote, however i believe we only have the option to make it work and stop crying. It's pathetic mate.

@@jayc342009 If enough people think the brexit vote was a mistake then yes,another vote.I note you didn't have any strong feelings on the subject in the first place as you didn't vote so why the strong feelings, albeit not about wether you voted but about the result. ?

@@simonwinter8839 i don't really have any strong feelings on Brexit, what grates on me though is people moaning constantly because they didn't get the result they wanted. Brexit failed indeed, why did it fail though? Why is no one pointing fingers at our incompetent government who have no intention on making things better for us? leaving the EU meant we traded one shitshow for another, there was no point in leaving but we did and you can't change that.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Many of us don't like how our government dealt with EU citizens

Does the EU use caps lock for a different reason now? (I know, we left, we didn't get to vote on it obviously).

@@waqasahmed939 The U.K. government has been absolutely brilliant with eu citizens in the U.K.. I am one of them. The U.K. government made it super easy to apply and acquire settlement status for eu citizens in U.K., unlike many eu governments who have been very awkward with British citizens that been living and working in eu countries for many years. It’s slanderous to say otherwise.

exactly

Explain please.

have you therefore given up your British citizenship?

@@alunevans2377 no, dual.

Agreed. No exceptions, no rebates, no special status. The UK needs to meet all of the Copenhagen Criteria and hope&pray it will be voted back in by all EU states. Highly unlikely for now.

Thank goodness.@@maartenaalsmeer

Little chance of the voting age being raised in the UK. There talking about lowering it to sixteen.The biggest problem with voting at any age (to my way of think)is nobody is taught history any more, well not properly at least and without knowing history we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of history.

American here. They can't unless they change the Constitution. The 26th amendment states, "the right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

@@debmcr1 The American constitution has been amended/changed 27 times and as late as 1992 so it's not that much of a stretch.

@@archie15900 Doubt they would get three-fourths (38) states to support such an amendment.

Correct.After Cameron got it wrong (that is he thought the people would vote remain)he was nowhere to be seen for years. Now he thinks just enough time has passed for him to return in the post as Foreign secretary although what the consequences of his return to his political career are not clear to me.

communist ideology of denying people the right to vote and freedom of speech unless they vote for you.

Problem is we can’t just rejoin we have to join the EU and meet standards

If the EU even agrees to let the UK rejoin in the first place

...you'll get over it...or you can leave..😊

They are comfortable at having Viktor Orban's Hungry in the EU I am sure we will be allowed back in and I don't think reunion (rEUnion) is that far off in the future.

The tories made it worse. There were so many different ways to execute brexit (as in terminating our EU membership only) but the corrupt tories wanted to diverge away from the EU to avoid paying them anything

Nobody made an educated decision. A referendum can work at the local level if the council and proponents reach out tirelessly with pros, cons, and every conceivable outcome. At the national level, elected officials have unlimited access to technical and financial briefs, to help represent the interests of the electorate. The Brexit information gap was enormous.

But they, by a huge margin (6 to 1), asked us to make the decision for them. Then, when they got the wrong answer, they tried to thwart said decision!

Have you seen the people in parliament?

@@danmayberry1185I disagree with this assertion: "The Brexit information gap was enormous". As a German, I have written my fingers to the bone in German media forums as well as in British forums about why, from an economic point of view, a brexit will lead to national bankruptcy in the UK in the 2030s. Must lead. International economics has rules. You can learn and know them. That should happen in schools. All the information was in some media. But those who read anti-social media (like Murdoch's), whose only task is to maliciously deceive ordinary workers, should not complain and then make false claims.

@@ichbinbluna3504 As a Canadian, I made a career of government communications and public consultation, and learned a few things in the process. First, if you won't like the answer, don't ask the question - that is how you decide between a public information or consultation campaign. If an initiative requires a behavioral shift, or creates socio-economic impact, design a multiple stage campaign comprised of 80% education, and 20% implementation and enforcement. Also, befriend the editorial board of every media outlet, regardless of their political biases. Update them so frequently and thoroughly, that they'll have no need to file requests under the Freedom of Information Act .. in fact, they'll grow tired of hearing from you. And finally, understand that public engagement is a lot to expect. Up to 5% will be proactive, like you, equipped with as much information as possible; 20% will have no intention of supporting or complying with any new policies, and 75% will show a passing interest until the thing is implemented, and then either accept it quietly, or decry the lack of consultation.

Hopefully some eu countries would never want the UK involved again but money is a great persuader !

like a snake?

@@middleman9183 if the snake thought they could do it

in other words, be rule takers?

that's the situation already, we haven't moved away from the EU in any measurable way