Why Americans can't debate politics anymore | The Chris Hedges Report

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Nolan Higdon and Mickey Huff join The Chris Hedges Report to discuss their new book, Let's Agree to Disagree: A Critical Thinking Guide to Communication, Conflict Management, and Critical Media Literacy.
Nolan Higdon is a lecturer in media studies and history at California State University, East Bay. Higdon sits on the boards of the Action Coalition for Media Education and Northwest Alliance for Alternative Media and Education. He also cohosts the Along the Line podcast. He is the author of several books, including The Anatomy of Fake News and The Media and Me.
Mickey Huff is the director of Project Censored, president of the Media Freedom Foundation, co-editor of the annual Censored book series from Seven Stories Press (since 2009), co-author of United States of Distraction (City Lights, 2019), professor of social science and history at Diablo Valley College, and lecturer in communications at California State University, East Bay.
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@kathycollett4318
@kathycollett4318 Рік тому
I get sick of all the name-calling and sneering and snobbery that is in our media and on the floor of Congress today. I taught high school English, and critical thinking used to be a part of the curriculum. I taught my students to look for biases in journalism. What a different landscape in schools today. My heart breaks! I always enjoy listening to Chris and his podcasts because he looks at nuance and common humanity in everything he says and does.
@patbranigan6501
@patbranigan6501 Рік тому
Was it No Child Left Behind (translation: Every Child Left behind who goes to public school so they an become slaves to the system) that caused the change to teaching critical thinking?
@trueneese8080
@trueneese8080 Рік тому
Try explaining that to teacher today and they just get angry
@lauraly2712
@lauraly2712 11 місяців тому
@Kathy, Yet Hedges calls Republicans who support Trump "cultists." Some of them may be that just like there were Obama cultists who practically worshipped him as America's "savior" and "messiah." Also some Democrats are fanatical leftist zealots celebrating the cult of government and for them Biden is a genius, a spotless leader of a moral crusade for justice though every knowledgable person knows that that's NOT what this habitual liar and mythmaker is.
@sylviam6535
@sylviam6535 11 місяців тому
Bias is not even the worst problem. Now they straight out make stuff up on a regular basis.
@creamydistortion
@creamydistortion 11 місяців тому
Oh well, move to a better country. Your obsolete America will not magically get good.
@sextoncardew903
@sextoncardew903 Рік тому
I was born in UK 87 years ago and the US, although not perfect, was generally an admired country. I do not think that the US is so well admired today.
@Brianbeesandbikes
@Brianbeesandbikes Рік тому
Given how it has supported suppression of common good rights since first contact to the point of blocking Democracies around earth, inspiring Hitler that wrought such terrors on England, Europe, Russia, Japan... the nakedness of the u$a empire is complete.
@sextoncardew903
@sextoncardew903 Рік тому
@@Brianbeesandbikes There has never been a rational discussion of what happened in the 1930s. the UK and Poland went completely out of control as well as Hitler. It appears more convenient to do putdowns on Germany than UK.
@richardswaby6339
@richardswaby6339 Рік тому
It was only admired because we did not have social media to show us its raw underbelly.
@eaglewing1415
@eaglewing1415 Рік тому
Why do so many 'migrants' come here in mass groups.
@richardswaby6339
@richardswaby6339 Рік тому
@@eaglewing1415 Because the american empire bombed their countries or overthrew their governments putting dictators in power to suppress the people or used their power to decimate local industries. Many reasons.
@Amadeus8484
@Amadeus8484 Рік тому
Given the whole Reefer Madness and the Red Scare, I don't blame the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine made a massive difference, the Corporate Media ALWAYS told malicious and outrageous lies. Walter Kronkite was an anomaly, not proof of a glorious past of accountability, which never existed.
@BillOweninOttawa
@BillOweninOttawa Рік тому
Cronkite lied about Vietnam, right up until the moment that those lies became ridiculous, obvious and therefore unstainable.
@Amadeus8484
@Amadeus8484 Рік тому
@@BillOweninOttawa I cannot say I am too surprised.
@barbarasmith6005
@barbarasmith6005 Рік тому
With the Fairness Doctrine in effect for 40 years,, media accountability, while not perfect, was better.
@Amadeus8484
@Amadeus8484 Рік тому
@@barbarasmith6005 Not really, if anything people are more aware that the media is lying to them these days, which is a good thing.
@kimjones8824
@kimjones8824 Рік тому
They fired on Walter Cronkite too, FOR TELLING TRUTHS TOO CLOSE TO DISCOVERING THEIR LIES TO THE WORLD. The synagogue of Satan rules/CONTROLS them.
@VelhaGuardaTricolor
@VelhaGuardaTricolor Рік тому
We can debate each and every disease in our society and in our time, but the solution is still the same. The more social inequality the more unhealthy a society will be. The distance between the richest and poorest is the thermometer for any society. The wider the gap, the worse the society will be.
@remyllebeau77
@remyllebeau77 10 місяців тому
Says the leftist that probably supported the unconstitutional mask, lockdowns, and injection mandates, which caused the greatest wealth transfer we've ever seen and hurt so many small business. News flash bub, your constant demands for more and bigger government will ALWAYS help big business and hurt the little guy.
@VelhaGuardaTricolor
@VelhaGuardaTricolor 10 місяців тому
@@remyllebeau77 Easy on the labels pall. Both parties nowadays are anything but our government, both work for their donours, aka The Elite. So if you are honest about your concern with the little guy, we are on the exact same side. Make social inequality illegal and see our society thrive. Remember the NEW DEAL? The richest people payed up to 97% in taxes and it was the greatest period of our history. Take care!
@remyllebeau77
@remyllebeau77 10 місяців тому
@@VelhaGuardaTricolor Interesting that you didn't say whether you supported the lockdowns and stuff. We are not on the same side. I am anarchist -capitalist. I would like nothing better than seeing this evil government destroyed and criminal democrats and their buddies the war mongering rino republicans brought to justice. You want to increase gov't, you want gov't theft by taxes to continue and be much worse. The new deal was a terrible choice and served to prolong the great depression.
@VelhaGuardaTricolor
@VelhaGuardaTricolor 10 місяців тому
@@remyllebeau77 Why did you say the lock down was the greatest transfer of wealth we've ever seen? What was the 2008 BAIL OUT then? I am not concerned with the lock down bc to me if somebody shoots a dead person I don't call it attempted murder. Why worry about what a corrupt elite/capitslist controlled government did or didn't do if it's not our government anymore anyway? PS.: What do you mean by "Anarchist -Capitalist"? and how can anyone who says is concerned about the little guy be a Capitalist, since it is nothing but a system of wealth transfer and widening inequality? PPS.: Without a government by the people and for the people with taxes, how do you build a good society? I am very puzzled by what seems to me an ocean of inconsistencies. Please educate me on your point of view. Cheers!
@user-xt7nh5ye9z
@user-xt7nh5ye9z 10 місяців тому
@@remyllebeau77 "This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career." Albert Einstein (Why Socialism)
@Habeebea
@Habeebea Рік тому
There’s no social events anymore. It’s all consumption only spaces where you drive to alone in a car. Also, I work 6 days a week and many times the only energy I have after chores on my one day off is to lay down and watch a movie or UKposts. I think many people are working many hours too. The whole society is a poison.
@drewm9903
@drewm9903 Рік тому
Indeed, though I stuck with one job I seen my older brother do two jobs and he is always exhausted and it's negatively effecting his health if being a diabetic wasn't enough.
@creamydistortion
@creamydistortion 11 місяців тому
So move to a better country. I was homeless when I left AmeriKKKa, so there's no excuse.
@remyllebeau77
@remyllebeau77 10 місяців тому
@@drewm9903 His diet isn't helping. He needs to give up all the foods he loves. All the carbs, all the sugar. Eat KETO or carnivore. Beef, Butter, Bacon, and Eggs. And eventually get all the meals down to one large meal per day.
@melelconquistador
@melelconquistador 10 місяців тому
You gotta do the struggle to squeeze in stuff you can do in class struggle. Start by reading political books and look to groups you can organize with.
@ZzXZ636
@ZzXZ636 5 місяців тому
@@creamydistortion No homeless person moves out of America . They move INTO America .
@patbranigan6501
@patbranigan6501 Рік тому
I get my news from a comedian because if I didn't get the jokes with it I would sink into a horrible depression.
@ArmChairKoalaBare
@ArmChairKoalaBare Рік тому
AWAKWEN WITH JP COMES TO MIND OR JIM BREUER
@carltheflpatriot69
@carltheflpatriot69 Рік тому
@@ArmChairKoalaBare What about George Carlin? Man was a Prophet!!
@johnwolf2829
@johnwolf2829 Рік тому
@@ArmChairKoalaBare THIS! :D But, are Leftists even allowed to laugh at themselves anymore?
@ArmChairKoalaBare
@ArmChairKoalaBare Рік тому
@@carltheflpatriot69 my all time fav
@GAB-vq7re
@GAB-vq7re Рік тому
My man Jimmy Dore and Russell Brand also come to mind
@iart2838
@iart2838 7 місяців тому
As a European, lack of debates and discussions here is shocking.
@lorain_nyc
@lorain_nyc Рік тому
God Bless Chris Hedges. Your content, speeches, books inspired a series of paintings. Thank you immensely for strength.
@cargotrailerkenny
@cargotrailerkenny Рік тому
Just another home run for Chris Hedges and guests. One can get jaded on the high quality of content Chris always provides.. Thanks Mr Hedges.
@terrific804
@terrific804 Рік тому
Hedges gets a lot right. But calling the right cultist is so far off the Mark I only have to think he's a nut job just like I've always thought!
@chrisbova9686
@chrisbova9686 Рік тому
if the church is not mentioned, you'll never understand, but most don't.they never lost control and never cared what you believed as long as they secretly maintained power. What schools did Trump Fauchi, Biden go to? Jesuit.
@terrific804
@terrific804 Рік тому
Hedges..gloom and doom....
@xBTx
@xBTx 9 місяців тому
@@terrific804 if your knee-jerk reaction is to dismiss his criticism without further thought, aren't you proving his point?
@terrific804
@terrific804 9 місяців тому
@@xBTx I would guess your's is the knee JERK reaction. Have you ever heard him say anything seriously uplifting.....if I have it's on very rare occasion. If you bring me a problem you'd better have a solution!
@pappapiccolino9572
@pappapiccolino9572 Рік тому
Nolan and Mickey speak incredibly well and really know their stuff. Fantastic interview. One of the best I've seen in the last 12 months, and I've watched plenty. I'll be buying those two books for sure. Great work Chris and TRNN.
@kayakMike1000
@kayakMike1000 Рік тому
Schill
@chrisbova9686
@chrisbova9686 Рік тому
The truth is not found within the two pole systems that are invented by the church to shape society the way the stars and planets dictate. It's not just britain, its the Crown Corp.
@lupemerrit
@lupemerrit 7 місяців тому
Im buying the books too.
@vlavla4467
@vlavla4467 5 місяців тому
Mickey Huff was a professor of mine at Diablo Valley College. I haven't seen him for I think 20 years. Nice to see him again.
@philiprea8540
@philiprea8540 Рік тому
28:25 -- basically, on real conversation reversing the tide of hate and belief in falsehoods -- an example i came across related to this point is the essay by Howard Zinn called "The Mysticism of the South". in it he talks about the efforts he and his students took to desegregate Atlanta public libraries during the civil rights movement in the 1960s. the gist of the essay was that, once blacks and whites came into contact with each other (through acts of civil disobedience where by blacks ignored segregation mandates and entered into public places, such as libraries), it was only a matter of time until the jim crow segregation system collapsed. the reasoning Zinn observed for this was that the more people interact the more they see each other as what they really are, people. the "mysticism" in the title refers to the two sides residing in their own segregated spheres of society and thus not having to interact. without this interaction both sides were free to essentially make up what the other side was like, what they believed and stood for. that mysticism was then shattered once the walls of segregation were ignored. once people started occupying the same spaces there wasn't a whole lot either of the sides could make up about the other. after all, the "other" was only a table or two away and miraculously didn't behave the way they had assumed. i like this story. it makes sense. its really hard to hate someone you interact with. i mean yes, ted cruz is a person so im not claiming there aren't exceptions to the rule. at the scale of society, however, i do subscribe to the idea that the interaction amongst oppositional groups melts away many of the boundaries for that opposition. anyways check it out even if for no other reason its to bring back the memory of Howard, a personal hero of mine, someone i love very much!
@barbarasmith6005
@barbarasmith6005 Рік тому
I don't know...men and women interact quite a bit, yet there's still rampant misogyny. There's something else going on here.
@kimjones8824
@kimjones8824 Рік тому
Not with all these guns. WE EED THE REAL DEAL TO DEAL WITH THESE VERMON.Destroying what is not your/the world, wasn't a good decision but, a greedy decision of selfishness.
@waltertaggart4685
@waltertaggart4685 Рік тому
I share with you in this opinion that people can do away with stereotypes in the media industry in knowing each other in real time exposure to each others lives in truth
@eaglewing1415
@eaglewing1415 Рік тому
Criticizing Cruz and loving Zinn points out your bias.
@philiprea8540
@philiprea8540 Рік тому
@@kimjones8824 im not sure i follow what you are trying to say. are you saying something along the lines of, "because of the violent and unstable nature of the current moment (society) and that weapons and guns are so easy to come by and ownership so widespread - particularly those on the "other", conservative, side - simple societal interaction amongst the 2 sides won't work this time?" i mean, is that your basic message? if it is i think you should remember what the political and social climate was like during the civil rights movement in the American south. over the course of the Jim Crow era, the ruling class (those in power), relied heavily on the extreme vigilante violence carried out predominately by the white middle class on working class blacks they perceived as "getting out of line." this violence is referred to as "lynching" and is one of the most horrifically tortuous and inhumane activities possible. over that long time span many thousands of blacks were "lynched" by mobs of those barbaric and uncivilized middle and upper class whites of the American South. that such displays took place in braod daylight, publicly, in the middle cities without any of them ever facing any consequences (from law enforcement or any other aspect of the absurdly named "US Justice System" should paint just how oppressive, violent, and unlawful was the society in which civil rights participants were up against. my point is that, compared to what blacks and their allies were up against during the civil rights era in the south, what we face today would be more accurately described as "peaceful" (even with all their guns)... now im not saying that what is required today does not call for extraordinary courage or even that i'd be the one ready to go stand face to face with the opposition. rather, im saying that, in light of the historical context of the Jim Crow era south, one cannot simply claim that "well, if it wasnt for all their guns" when trying to argue that social interaction amongst oppositional groups wouldnt work today. the incredible and wide-spread terrorism that frequently took place to combat civil rights movement during the post-war, jim crow era is much more than what we are up against today. as such i have to disgree with your assertion that, methods of humane social interaction couldnt work today due to "all of those guns"....
@hooplawithbilliesue8143
@hooplawithbilliesue8143 Рік тому
New Jersey just mandated the teaching of information literacy in schools, kindergarten thru 12th grade. A glimmer of hope!
@kimjones8824
@kimjones8824 Рік тому
I hope so. A teacher is walking talkin library of interactive learning. A student should be able to get any answer to whatever question they ask, however selective white washing of his story has left the rest of the world out and no longer VALID in REAL WORLD TRUTH.
@JohnColucci88
@JohnColucci88 Рік тому
LOL. Jersey guy here too - I saw that, but call me cynical - if its state funded - I have little faith that the class will be used to NOT propagandize
@bijipop
@bijipop Рік тому
I asked Murphy whose truth are they going to teach? Haven't gotten a response.....yet. heh.
@JohnColucci88
@JohnColucci88 Рік тому
It would probably be designed to make us illiterate to identifying their garbage and bullshit. It would be a course designed to make us compliant little naive dickheads
@unipartyhellscape8895
@unipartyhellscape8895 Рік тому
The problem with this is the same problem with censorship. Who gets to decide which facts are the right facts and which sources are appropriate in order to be “information literate.” If it’s NY Times, NY Post, CNN, Fox News, or other so-called authoritative sources then count me out.
@robertcox14
@robertcox14 Рік тому
Doing research, I found Harold Pinter's Nobel Laureate Speech from 2005. Very much a part of your approach, Chris. I find that great writers have no fear of death, they speak truth because they know nothing else, and are free of fear, and let fly no matter the ramifications. Some survive, like Noam Chomsky and Chris and his "trial by fire" as a war correspondent. Having seen death up close and personal, one is immune to fear. Like Benjamin Clementine's song "Condolence" - "give my condolences to fear...."
@stevenlight5006
@stevenlight5006 Рік тому
Noam Chomsky, is just old been around longer ,saying nothing new .
@BAAbad-hb3pu
@BAAbad-hb3pu Рік тому
I agree 💯
@svenhanson398
@svenhanson398 Рік тому
@@stevenlight5006 What do you expect, he is now so old he probably have very little energy left. I am 67 and I for one do not have the level I had when 25. Personally I normally pass him by now. I applaud all he has done but nowadays its hard to hear what he is saying. For me at least having english as a second language
@MICHAELSMITH-ch7it
@MICHAELSMITH-ch7it 8 місяців тому
Chomsky's stature will continue to grow after his death, unless we destroy ourselves. But if we survive, future historians will look back and see him as a key figure that led to fundamental change. Great moral courage, analytical brilliance, and staggering productivity.
@jaykline8550
@jaykline8550 Рік тому
We can't debate because the fight is always about sides and teams rather than policy. We've become like children in our policy sophistication.
@argusfleibeit1165
@argusfleibeit1165 Рік тому
We can't debate, because the Right exists in an alternate reality. Not even agreeing on a shared reality makes debate of issues impossible, as soon as the first egregious lie is laid out.
@mikebunch5553
@mikebunch5553 Рік тому
It turns into a blame game, with no facts.
@mikefinley4367
@mikefinley4367 Рік тому
It's called dumbed down and it's intentional and occured over time and now seeks to act more boldly going after the seed corn / youth, to warp Thier thinking to be easily managed/manipulated dumbed down adults with a govt that dictates anything they wish to and inflict it on you without a whim of concern or care, your insignificant chattle (corporate term for individual owned by America at birth) check that attitude ... in THIER minds your insignificant / non essential, unless your vote is needed and they do seek to eliminate that right. Dumbing down can't even be comprehended by most as they are already dumbed down to a degree it requires great effort on thier part to realize it and effort of anything that doesn't evolve around self gratification is deemed unworthy it. People are also easily insulted to discover art of the dumbing down is over the long term and THIER parents, grandparents, great grand parents could be fooled and until they can actually step out of emotions and observe, they only deny and attack. Adults who's parents taught them names can't hurt you are dying off and when entirely gone all remains is a bunch of adolescent entitled people who never really mature but remain dumbed down being called a name or being a e!optional basket case dominates society. Parents, from generation to generation are the carriers of instilling respect, manners, basic rules, accountability, morals and in general .. most, don't even want the interaction with THIER offspring to the needed degree to be effective. I worked. I'm entitled to a break piss off and get !e a beer, got any pot lid ... It's now television, music, self indulgence time and when fed it builds and it's legalize alcohol, legalize pot, legalize everything but it's ok f you lack respect and push your will but it's not ok of that turns on you. Let's not do this anymore to begin with. It's why there are rules of we like them or not. Wipe your feet at the door and close it. turn off lights and things not in use, close the outside doors behind you, pick up after yourself, rinse your dirty dishes your parents are not slaves to serve you and you may speak, voice your opinions but as a !inor you do not issue demands and you need chores of some sort. Needs and wants are not the same. My entitled kid refused to attend school, refused to work part time, refused to do any cleaning and after working ten hours doing manual labor he refused to walk two blocks for a few groceries for dinner. I told him if I have to do it I'm not cooking for him, buying anything other than food to feed me, tough crap. He survived on malto meal for a week and everyday refused to get off his ass and go to the store. My older daughter comes by seeing I'm returning with a sack of groceries and asks if I got anything for her brother. I just grinned and showed her two boxes of malto !real and she fell out laughing.
@barbarasmith6005
@barbarasmith6005 Рік тому
I've heard Chris Hedges and Norm Finklestein debate, and I never got the impression they represented a team--just the truth (which has a left biase).
@creamydistortion
@creamydistortion 11 місяців тому
The Americans have ALWAYS been extremely childish. That's why nobody respects the Americans.
@jackdonovan554
@jackdonovan554 7 місяців тому
I have had discussions with many people over the years, regarding politics and I've found that it doesn't take more than a few minutes before people begin to personally attack me when i don't agree with them. Too many people are not viable for debate. Yet they actually think they are "debating". I'm at an age where I'm starting to believe that humans are splitting in their evolution and some will evolve to think better, while some will turn into angry, unintelligent groups of exploited workers - trapped in their own ignorance and abused by those who feel obligated to use their stubborn inability to work together to keep them separated from civilized thinkers.
@briannerk3373
@briannerk3373 7 місяців тому
I would encourage you to re assess the view that upper middle class liberals by default, are better than the working class. I see them as just as bad as one another, with maybe the caveat that maybe upper middle class liberals conceal their ugliness and lack of independence of mind more with corporate sponsored woke identity politics.
@kristiblack4789
@kristiblack4789 3 місяці тому
True Debates are Heated and Passionate! Arguments are meant to Clear the Air and Hears! Due Diligence is EVERYONE'S personal and adult Responsibilities! Opinions and feelings don't trump Truth and Facts! Agreeing to disagree on Truth, Facts and Reality is a pathetic Lose, Lose super, DUPER stupid Situ-ations!
@SarahWilliams-yt8xr
@SarahWilliams-yt8xr Рік тому
Make America think again 🇺🇸
@barbaranostrand4214
@barbaranostrand4214 Рік тому
Fundamentally, the "Fairness Doctrine" required for profit broadcasters to "operate in the public interest". Consequently, news departments were isolated from advertising; educational, cultural, and public affairs programs were included in the broadcast schedule; &c. The "fairness doctrine" was far more than just "equal time".
@joelavcoco
@joelavcoco 9 місяців тому
I think this is very good. I'd add one wrinkle of nuance to it, and mildly critique the premise as stated in the title of the video. 'Anymore' implies that there was a time when Americans _could_ debate politics. I'd push back on that a little. People may once have had more of a shared sense of reality, but that isn't the same as having a skill or ability to debate, to analyze arguments, to be critically aware of media effects. Any shared worldview that Americans had back in the days when the center-out, top-down broadcast / print publication model was the only game in town did not emerge from people individually bringing keenly honed critical thinking skills to bear against a broad array of facts, ideas, and perspectives presented in a fairness-policed neutral media environment. Rather, very reasonable-sounding talking heads were selected, through opaque processes, to give Americans an acceptable palette of ways to think about the curated information they were given. When did we stop teaching critical thinking, logic, and media awareness in our public schools so that suddenly people became susceptible to manipulation? The answer, of course, is that we never systematically did teach those things in the first place. When the only information available to people was that which could pass through the regulated corporate gatekeeping and 'reasonable' editorial filters, it wasn't hard to maintain the illusion that we didn't really need to teach these things explicitly, and that people could simply be expected to absorb critical thinking skills through their skin. Perhaps the most alarming line in the movie "The Shining" is when Jack Torrance exposes the fundamental attitude of the Print / Broadcast paradigm: "See? It's OK. He saw it on the television." The culture of mass-production and mass-media creates the consumer identity. And a consumer is someone who is uncritically involved, or perhaps entirely uninvolved, in the processes that bring them what they consume. It isn't the Internet that has cultivated mass-credulity and eroded preexisting critical thinking skills. Rather, the past paradigm has made people uncritical consumers, and our education paradigm did precious little to correct for it, because consumers in a top-down, center-out, curated and mass-produced world didn't 'need' to be able to analyze arguments, tell good information from bad, evaluate biases, et cetera. The hyper-specialization of end-stage Industrialism meant that such things were almost always somebody else's department. What the Internet _has_ done is to expose in dramatic ways why this was always a stupid idea.
@tupperlake100
@tupperlake100 7 місяців тому
We are an uninformed public. When we leave school, we stop learning about many things. People are always screaming about their rights. My daughter has a masters degree in law. When I discussed legal situations with her, I was surprised by how many misconceptions I had about individual rights. I really laughed when TV report that lying by a politician was recently included in legal charges. If every lying public servant was subjected to this, Washington's activity will come to a screeching halt.
@zmani4379
@zmani4379 Рік тому
The point Chris Hedges raises in the last 5 minutes or so about the Emotional Needs addressed by these discourses, separate from the question of logic or accuracy - this is a vital area that drives many decisions about how these institutions handle their content re their audiences, and the direction public discourse in turn takes re the issues raised - this topic is worth at least whole episode in its own right - maybe something positioned as a sequel to this conversation -
@shyonnu
@shyonnu Рік тому
I second the need for another episode as mentioned above. There is the devil of forced rationality to keep up democratic appearances. The suppression of all that is labelled "irrational" by the toxic regimes of what used to be called the enlightened age plays perhaps the largest role in this situation...
@creamydistortion
@creamydistortion 11 місяців тому
American people are so emotional and it's so fake.
@nicoledickens2366
@nicoledickens2366 Рік тому
Chris you are one of the only true voices of sanity left. Everyone else has no institutional memory. The only other people I trust online are Darkhorse. Id love to see you chat with Brett and Heather.
@kelkil79
@kelkil79 Рік тому
Yeah, it was real professional when he called Trump supporters "Cultists" seems like a really fair guy.
@nicoledickens2366
@nicoledickens2366 Рік тому
@@kelkil79 to be fair not all Trumpers are cultists but some of them are.
@trippmoore
@trippmoore Рік тому
add jimmy dore and russell brand.
@nicoledickens2366
@nicoledickens2366 Рік тому
@@trippmoore yes Chris hedges and Jimmy Dore for 2024!
@willmercury
@willmercury Рік тому
@@nicoledickens2366 Same goes for the Woke.
@Turdfergusen382
@Turdfergusen382 5 місяців тому
Thank you Chris for putting Mickey and Project Censored on.
@whoever6458
@whoever6458 Рік тому
Oh I go out and do this! It all started one day when I had been down drinking at the bar and ended up talking to someone who, since I'm white, thought I would be okay with them saying some racist things. Before then, I would have had some kind of angry and disapproving reaction to that person but, because I was drunk and I had also smoked some Cannabis, it upset me but it also made me curious as to why this person held such beliefs about black people since it didn't make any sense to me how a person would come to think those things. So I asked, "What made you think that?" At first, it was just a bunch of stuff about how "they" were like this or like that. I ended up asking everyone who expressed racist sentiments to me a bunch of questions about why. It eventually always came back to the person never having gotten to know any black people like they had gotten to know a lot of white people growing up. Then it broke down further into having parents who taught them by example to be racist and/or one or two negative experiences involving a black person. What really amazed me is how many of them started to realize that they had no rational reason to hate all black people and that they had just been going along with the society around them and had never seriously questioned their hatred of black people. I'm glad I started asking questions of them instead of throwing insults at them because it also taught me not to hate them as a group because I could see how it was a very common human weakness to end up going along with some belief just because one hasn't adequately questioned it. Before that, I had definitely viewed racists as being a bunch of unintelligent bullies, which means I had mentally downgraded their humanity, which is the kind of thing that leads to bigotry and violence in the first place. It is absolutely vital that we not hate the human being even when we hate their beliefs, words, and/or actions. If we don't learn to do this, we are on our way to falling into the same sort of trap of hatred.
@MrBuzben
@MrBuzben Рік тому
yup
@bbblackwell
@bbblackwell Рік тому
Racism is fun. You get to feel superior, and have a ready target for your frustrations. You have an easy scapegoat for complex social problems, plus there's tons of great jokes. You also have instant camaraderie with other racists, and get the sense of security that comes from group affiliation. What's common in all of this? Quick, phony shortcuts to those things we most desire: a feeling of self-worth; a release for negative emotions; answers to life's challenging questions; a sense of family, etc. The racist pretends they're better than others, but actually reveals their weakness and ineptitude. They don't know how to manage their feelings, or solve their confusion, and they're desperate to do both. This warrants pity, but also defensive force if they let their internal failures impose upon others externally.
@WinstonSmithGPT
@WinstonSmithGPT Рік тому
I’m glad you met a bunch of fun people who grew up in low crime suburban neighborhoods.
@barbarasmith6005
@barbarasmith6005 Рік тому
Though it's not easy at all.
@whoever6458
@whoever6458 Рік тому
@@bbblackwell Well said.
@gerhard7323
@gerhard7323 Рік тому
Thank goodness for people like Chris Hedges.
@ejtattersall156
@ejtattersall156 9 місяців тому
I thought this video would be interesting, and then I saw Chris Hedges, the perfect example of how education can make a person stupid.
@st.joanne
@st.joanne 7 місяців тому
I disagree
@gerhard7323
@gerhard7323 7 місяців тому
@@st.joanne As you're entitled to do so.
@ejtattersall156
@ejtattersall156 7 місяців тому
@@st.joanne Chris Hedges is a great example of how education does not make someone smart.
@ejtattersall156
@ejtattersall156 7 місяців тому
@@gerhard7323 Hedges is a conspiracy theorist dressed up in post-graduate degrees.
@simbad909
@simbad909 Рік тому
You've only scratched the surface...keep going
@Madasin_Paine
@Madasin_Paine Рік тому
Don't expect much more from either the host or the guest their gatekeepers ultimately and there's certain topics that are off limits and they know it.
@dainty_af
@dainty_af Рік тому
Yes! Make America Nuanced! I've been muttering it to myself & quipping it to friends (sometimes to quizzical looks) for a while, so I'm thrilled to see the subject given a good chunk of discussion. Thank you Chris , Crew & Guests! This is a fantastic episode & pretty vital listening for anyone that cares about the destruction going on around us & is ready to find others & get to work. Sadly, we have a lot of similar external PR & internal problems here on the (real) left too, so we need to start learning & practicing these new skills over here pronto. Looking forward to reading the books.
@AdaptableAutonomousHouse
@AdaptableAutonomousHouse Рік тому
Americans are incapable of fighting the government for their rights.
@sebolddaniel
@sebolddaniel Рік тому
Chris is pretty darn good by really really big Texas standards
@jsmandrake
@jsmandrake Рік тому
aye, i remember the exact moments some decades ago when "nuance" began to be thrown around in the media as a word (concept) to be mocked. It was also partner to the media's push re being "educated" as much overrated! Media & Politicians were collusive in this . aka: YOU HAD A RIGHT to be as stupid as you wanted damn it! All balance was lost there -- All aspiration too. Nationally, this new code was set forth. THAT was the beginning of the now-of-madness. America is a dangerous & stealthy Indoctrination-Capitol 'o the world (and it's where all the wealth we've exploited, is INVESTED first)
@SuperDflower
@SuperDflower Рік тому
MAN……It’s perfect… Make America nuanced. I love it. Oh my God I’m so grateful for people like Chris hedges and for the intelligent people who can think for themselves who consume such media. Otherwise it would be a complete and utter wasteland. Look, I don’t want to just be in my own bubble, but sometimes you need to crawl in there just to get your sanity
@creamydistortion
@creamydistortion 11 місяців тому
Make America gone.
@garymensurati1631
@garymensurati1631 11 місяців тому
Thank you gentlemen. Good information @: analysis. Chris Hedges rocks, in my view !
@JohnColucci88
@JohnColucci88 Рік тому
One of the most important videos of our time. Its a travesty knowing that those who should see this will not. Great work Chris and Co. EXCELLENT WORK
@joylove8693
@joylove8693 Рік тому
Dear Chris, Happy New year to you and your family.
@bt6904
@bt6904 Рік тому
Great interview, thank you! Looking forward to reading the book
@marcusaxel3425
@marcusaxel3425 Рік тому
I'm old enough to have experienced the media prior to the end of the Fairness Doctrine. There was an undeniable shift towards tribalism during the late 80s. Fox News and Limbaugh got there first perhaps, but today, the liberal media is equally guilty. I think it's fair enough to engage with this history, the cause and effect, but I don't see how the Fairness Doctrine could have survived with the advent of cable TV, satellite radio, the internet and now streaming podcasts on Android Auto and the like. Thousands of choices, AM talk radio has quickly become irrelevant. The spirit of the Doctrine was acknowledging that the public owned the 'airwaves' and media companies were granted a right to use them and to profit from them. They were held to strict standards when it came to political commentary. That worked when there were only 3 major networks and some local radio stations. The Fairness Doctrine was doomed with the new technology that emerged imo. The internet has been as significant as the invention of the printing press and the advent of radio and television. We won't be going back to the 1970s of course. This freedom we have today could help us to work our way out of this mess we're in if we manage to preserve free speech rights. If we do not allow corporations to dictate terms. Independent commentators can have an impact with a laptop and Wifi connection. It's creating an absolute mess in sense making but it's better than censorship imo. Viewers decide who comes out on top. We're seeing networks like Rumble, Substack, Quillette gaining ground quickly in reaction to mostly liberal censorship online. If you think Glenn Greenwald on Rumble is a right-wing propagandist, you're probably brainwashed by liberal media. Joe Rogan signed a $100 million contract not because he's tribal and divisive, it's because people are starved for objective sense making. 2 to 3 hour discussions with fascinating figures while CNN is dying off. So many false narratives, fueling hate and division. 'The left is the new right-wing.' Mark Crispin Miller, NYU. Like McCarthy Era blacklisters, religious moralizers. They've become a threat to free speech, tolerance and diversity of thought. We liberals survived the Reagan years by mocking the so called 'Moral Majority', the Woke left deserves the same ridicule. They're intolerant, uninformed fools.
@SuperDflower
@SuperDflower Рік тому
THANK YOU….Brilliantly put and all I can say is I feel so much less lonely when I Queue into programming like this, And read the cogent replies. I’m not completely alone. I had a shower thought in the past couple of months. I grew up in an extremely dysfunctional family and I always felt as if it was an undue burden which of course, it was but at the same time I think it might have prepared me well for the actual world I was being corning too. Having said that, I don’t want to live in a dysfunctional world, And I will take sanity any day I can get it
@Ryuujinv01
@Ryuujinv01 Рік тому
10 years before that they started arresting everyone who sounded like a hippy commie or was an uppity enough black person. They were using drugs as an excuse/lie to raid the homes of union organizers and other political opponents. That tribalism was inflamed because they've been waging violent boots on the ground war against our citizens. That's how they were able to get the power to dismantle every single protection that their parents put in place against the first wave of gilded age robber barons. The same thing Hitler did with the knight of long knives, destroy everyone who might vote against you then start the atrocities afterwards. The war on drugs costs us the same amount every year that the war on terror did, and the only targets are US citizens, leading to us jailing more people numerically than communist China, an openly fascist country with billions more people.
@helpanimals-
@helpanimals- 10 місяців тому
Lmao, Joe Rogan is "sense making" wtf? no he aint. Divisive and racist, misogynist too
@joyg2526
@joyg2526 Рік тому
In our neo-liberal capitalist society everything devolves into whether something makes a profit or not. Our news media is just another example of the inevitable degradation resulting from such a system.
@EvolutionWendy
@EvolutionWendy Рік тому
I think our news media used to be funded, in part, and fact based. the media wasn't expected to support itself, it had help, so it could do a good job reporting, as it is specifically necessary to our democracy.
@jasondelvaux3036
@jasondelvaux3036 Рік тому
Debate & discussion risks cutting into profits, so it must be squashed. You are perfectly correct.
@firstnamelastname9141
@firstnamelastname9141 Рік тому
Neo-liberal, I mean trump couldn't debate for sht either. Left, Right, Liberal, Conservative, they are becoming two sides of the same bs coin.
@basedgamerguy818
@basedgamerguy818 Рік тому
Until the media stops pushing pro-corporate propaganda they will continue to wither
@ivandafoe5451
@ivandafoe5451 Рік тому
@@EvolutionWendy You mean government funded/subsidized? I agree there should be a place for that model, but even PBS was taken over decades ago by corporate donors.
@jennyrokeach523
@jennyrokeach523 Рік тому
Excellent, I'll check out the books.
@nyperi13
@nyperi13 Рік тому
EXCELLENT DISCUSSION! Thank you!
@stevesherman1743
@stevesherman1743 8 місяців тому
What we are witnessing is the death of OBJECTIVE TRUTH ! 😢
@kp6215
@kp6215 Рік тому
Mickey Huf was my Prof in 2008 Fall for Critical Thinking
@wrongspell6619
@wrongspell6619 Рік тому
Congrats to the guest who referenced pro-wrestling. I've been saying for years ¨you understand pro-wrestling, you understand politics.¨ One party is the face, one is the heel. You boo one and cheer the other. Corporations cash in.
@basedgamerguy818
@basedgamerguy818 Рік тому
This is pretty right on. Who you cheer or boo really doesn't matter, Vince McMahon still gets paid
@wrongspell6619
@wrongspell6619 Рік тому
@@basedgamerguy818 Trump is in the WWE hall of fame. Coincidence?
@ivandafoe5451
@ivandafoe5451 Рік тому
This analogy only goes so far, but the main thing to understand is the crass manipulation of the crowd that is taking place behind the scene.
@kingmelanin7468
@kingmelanin7468 Рік тому
Everything is a rich man's trick on youtube. Watch it for a consice example of your astute hypothosis.
@drewcoowoohoo
@drewcoowoohoo Рік тому
Jesse Ventura explained Trump in light of their shared wrestling background and suddenly Trump made a lot more sense. Still a heel, but he made more sense.
@mousiebrown1747
@mousiebrown1747 Рік тому
Hooray, TRNN & Hooray, Chris Hedges. Keep the message flowing. Cast your bread upon the waters, & pray & hope! ❤
@nolitetebastardescarborund9761
@nolitetebastardescarborund9761 Рік тому
Well, I learned a new biblical saying. Thanks, Mousie. Seems, however, no one knows how to interpret it, i.e., what it means. Btw. I love mice.
@leonardmccannon3136
@leonardmccannon3136 Рік тому
This discussion represents one of the more useful and instructive civics lessons for our times. Dialogue instead of a steady diet of polemics is the only sane way forward against those who are rather adept at manipulating us.
@joeanthony7759
@joeanthony7759 Рік тому
If we can’t communicate effectively with each other, not just literally but in the broader sense, we’re doomed. Communication is key to actually solving problems. People won’t make the effort to understand others’ perspectives or positions, in fact conflict and miscommunication is encouraged as it creates drama and drama is what sells, and this seeps into everything.
@remyllebeau77
@remyllebeau77 10 місяців тому
I have little desire to communicate with evil leftists. Forsake your evil, be grounded in reality for once in your life, and then we can come to the table.
@philobetto5106
@philobetto5106 8 місяців тому
I believe technology has made it effortless for the few directly responsible for this demonic witches brew of controlled chaos, and when you mentally put the pieces of the puzzle together searching for a logical reason anyone would deliberately asure billions of people experience unimaginable horrific existence before death you find your answer cohensides with a 3 thousand y//o prophecy
@barbh1
@barbh1 Рік тому
How Democracies Die is an excellent book. Not a long book, but so educational.
@Synthiman2600
@Synthiman2600 Рік тому
Great once again, Thank you!
@ivannisevic6685
@ivannisevic6685 Рік тому
Because, instead of arguments many people only see 'talking points' and see every discussion as just a power play. They don't care about the truth, they only care about winning.
@martinsriggs2441
@martinsriggs2441 Рік тому
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@martinsriggs2441
@martinsriggs2441 Рік тому
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@mandilawless4651
@mandilawless4651 Рік тому
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@AndreiiJikhh_
@AndreiiJikhh_ Рік тому
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@mandilawless4651
@mandilawless4651 Рік тому
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@martinsriggs2441
@martinsriggs2441 Рік тому
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@RobertWGreaves
@RobertWGreaves Рік тому
Excellent!
@flovv4580
@flovv4580 11 місяців тому
“To be evenminded is the greatest virtue." ― Heraclitus
@J3unG
@J3unG Рік тому
This is true. It's a case of having a loud bark but no bite. Americans complain loudly about everything but don't actually do shit to resolve things. It's in the DNA of Americans. The belief in the illusion that Americans can actually say or do things because we are a 'free' society and that everyone here is the same or equal to each other. It's rubbish and it's boring.
@Clusterboy
@Clusterboy Рік тому
Yes, you are shining the spotlight on our failed democracy. All talk.
@baigandinel7956
@baigandinel7956 Рік тому
We are almost as free as societies have ever gotten. Equal, not so much.
@AdaptableAutonomousHouse
@AdaptableAutonomousHouse Рік тому
Americans are incapable of fighting the government for their rights.
@twntwrs
@twntwrs Рік тому
@@baigandinel7956 yes we have even set up special free speech zones.
@joeanthony7759
@joeanthony7759 Рік тому
True, the US is funny that way….we’re free to say and do all manner of ridiculous, destructive things, which is tolerated as long as it doesn’t threaten the status quo. The minute speech or action threatens the status quo narrative, watch how fast it gets shut down.
@davidalexanderlourie4371
@davidalexanderlourie4371 Рік тому
Often it is not until something is broken that we look back and see it's strengths. There is something to be said for social cohesion, unity and empathy. We were pushed into abandoning all that to replace it with a competitive society. We traded human rights for consumer choice, workers unions replaced by labour hire agencies taking a 50% cut, job security replaced with casualisation of the workforce morphing into a precariat as we all aspire to be Ayn Rand heroic entrepreneurs. ...someone pass the sick bucket...I think I'm going to ...
@barbarar283
@barbarar283 Рік тому
Excellent topic that can't be addressed enough. Thanks for doing this.
@billmagorian490
@billmagorian490 Рік тому
Chris you are one of my heroes. What wasn't dealt with in regards to the fairness doctrine was how it made a difference in the red baiting House Un American activities committee era? You tried to interject the lies from the "left" relative to the Fox/ Limbaugh in later years but I was left with the feeling that that discussion never really got fleshed out or answered. I'm thinking of buying their books but I didn't get the feeling from their answers to your questions that I would obtain more information and answers I am looking for. Thanks Chris for your self sacrificing life fighting for justice, truth, peace, and educating people like me.
@robinhoodstfrancis
@robinhoodstfrancis 9 місяців тому
Great critical thinking in the public interest. My first jobs out of college were with the PIRGs, doing eco-social consumer advocacy. They taught me about Ralph Nader, Sierra Club, Greenpeace, and Oxfam, a good start in NGOs and Civil Society. I also began researching pro-social green businesses, and later learned about food co-op grocery-supermarkets, credit unions, and green power co-ops, besides the whole co-op movement, which is a big part of Social Europe. Fair Trade cert is a co-op based idea. All that is key, otherwise people are blind in a lot of ways about their own consumerism and the need for worldviews beyond ideological forms of materialism. Spiritual-religious experience is a big part of that that Hedges has touched on as far as he goes. I like to refer back to Gandhi, Rev MLK, and Fannie Lou Hamer, but even further back and in a pivotal time and place, George Fox, who led the co-founding of the Quaker Friends with spiritualized practice, valuing individuals, women, and protesting injustice. That was the grounding for their spurring University-based activity reflecting on slavery and abolition, and T Clarkson´s dissenting Anglican emergence in joining the Quakers and others in a non-sectarian society.
@user-bh1fo2wg1g
@user-bh1fo2wg1g 9 місяців тому
Sounds like us growing up by the UW Madison, and we were equally “indoctrinated” - hiking, biking, fishing, swimming, skating, love of nature,
@robinhoodstfrancis
@robinhoodstfrancis 8 місяців тому
@@user-bh1fo2wg1g Right, "indoctrinated," getting at the differences in meaning. It was training and orientation as education. Ralph Nader was a dynamic figure for some time and in founding the PIRGs especially. Training for citizenship in the public interest, while also being a Consumer Advocate was really a crucial phenomenon as part of the 1960s. I´m glad you can relate, although I came across many outdoor types, including my brother out of Berkeley, who lost or weren´t much more than nature hike loving consumers, and were still tied to a lot of materialism. Progressive Christians like Barack Obama and Al Gore would be amazing if they scheduled some tours of food co-ops etc, not-for-profits like the PIRGs, Sierra Club, Greenpeace, Oxfam, labor unions and so on. Al Gore has done a lot of good, but has his nose a bit stuck in the big money, it seems.
@AnonYmous-nu1xs
@AnonYmous-nu1xs Рік тому
Americans, in general, have never been able to debate politics in any kind of meaningful way. I mean most people in the USA think the ideological framework consists of only liberal and conservative. They also think liberal is left wing.
@jennyrokeach523
@jennyrokeach523 Рік тому
You are a breath of fresh air, Chris Hedges, thank you for your work.
@michaelweinman9051
@michaelweinman9051 Рік тому
Great guest. We salute you. Cheers!
@michaelgallagher5913
@michaelgallagher5913 2 місяці тому
Really Excellent! Thanks😊
@sdozer1990
@sdozer1990 Рік тому
A debate needs an audience. You cannot change a person's mind in direct conversation. They'll usually say something like "I'll think about it" or similar (which is actually really good if they do think about it). In any fair debate, the audience always wins. :)
@maggieadams8600
@maggieadams8600 Рік тому
I have to admit that I struggle to not see politicians from most sides as liars and those that support them as supporters of liars. It's tantamount to impossible for me to not get emotional when I see so much injustice, the spiders spinning webs left right and centre seemingly. Still, I agree, debating is crucial to turning the tide.
@robertasirgutz8800
@robertasirgutz8800 Рік тому
Well done. I tuned into a new platform called "Rattlesnake", which is gaining traction. It's young, grandstanding face was extolling the virtue of Jordan Peterson and how good a job he does at"shutting down " people who don't agree with you, and similar content. I watched a recent MSNBC interview with Russell Brand, who was promoting his tour. "Morning Joe" hosts were rude and dismissive, referring to him in the third person as he was clearly there! Instead of conversation about his show or anything of substance, he was barraged by questions about his attire and "eccentricity". To Brand's credit, he was able to be respectful and to answer with his calm, comic point of view. He succeeded in making the three panelists visibly anxious and unnerved. Keep it up.
@karlad4082
@karlad4082 9 місяців тому
As usual, excellent interview 🥰
@Spider_7_7
@Spider_7_7 Рік тому
Reason is powerless to change an opinion that is based on emotion.
@skog44
@skog44 Рік тому
Many good comments. I think the key word in this topic is 'fear'. Fear of losing identity, fear of losing control, fear of stepping outside of the group, fear of not having any sense of agency, fear of change. The reason there is so much fear comes down to isolation. Before tv and internet etc, people were isolated in their village or district. They stayed there to support the community and because of safety in numbers. TV and social media has created similar communities where people can identify with certain values and gain a sense of power and energy from belonging or even becoming an influencer in these groups. What is missing is a 3rd party and /or a personal ability to distance oneself from the emotions that the group carries. There needs to be some emphasis on how to become objective and therefore keeping self-control, as opposed to letting oneself become subjective and of becoming a subject of the emotional power that some of these media groups emit. There needs to be a triangular relationship between the self, the media group and a separate entity or medium through which the information exchange can be filtered and moderated. Some people can filter and reflect independently, while others definitely need some help and guidance to do that. If the information exchange is only between the self and the media group and there is no 3rd party or moderator, and the individual cannot self-moderate his or her thoughts, then the group's ideals will gain momentum, potentially leading to conflict. I think this problem exists even very high up in American corporate society. Those in power have no moderators and have lost the ability to self-moderate.can we teach people who are so powerful to do that?
@skog44
@skog44 Рік тому
I am not a church goer or in any way religious, but we can take this triangular relationship back to Genesis where 'God' is telling Eve not to eat from that tree over there. This aroused her curiosity and she decided to check out the fruit. The tree of consciousnesses is not about covering one's nether regions with a fig leaf but rather about the energy that is released from any give and take relationship. If the relationship is negative, the energy released will spiral into negativity. If the relationship can remain positive either through self moderation or with the guiding hand of a protective 3rd party, then the energy from the relationship should be positive and grow, potentially exponentially...scuse the rap.
@cheri238
@cheri238 Рік тому
@@skog44 Eloquently written, thank you.❤️
@svenhanson398
@svenhanson398 Рік тому
I cannot applaud the content enough to really express how impressed I am with the conversation. This really is needed in this mad world we live in. If it continues the result will be tragic. And that includes Europe too. Even if the level is lower than in US it exist here too.
@Hugh-Glass
@Hugh-Glass Рік тому
You really are a buffoon aren't you?
@svenhanson398
@svenhanson398 Рік тому
@@Hugh-Glass It could be a better way to express ones opinion to base it on facts and opinions with some sort of level one could respond to. But I guess insults is what was urgently needed for you.
@Hugh-Glass
@Hugh-Glass Рік тому
@@svenhanson398 just sort of wanted to insult you. I know I would never have success in swaying you, you are beyond redemption or salvation. Terminal buffoonery is my professional opinion.
@larrydean8160
@larrydean8160 Рік тому
Great Work!!!!
@terencemccormick8178
@terencemccormick8178 Рік тому
As far as developing an appropriately nuanced sense of what is meant by "truth," I can only tell you about what worked for me. There were two principal areas of study involved. The first, which in my experience is a slightly tougher nut, is serious phenomenology. The second is deductive logic in the form of relational predicate calculus (i.e., symbolic logic). My entire processing apparatus was overturned in the most shocking manner I have ever experienced.
@joelongworth6722
@joelongworth6722 Рік тому
Hi, T.. I'm reminded of the issue as cited by Palomades in Homers epic where Odeesius frames him as a traitor... And Palomades is sentenced to death, he shouts "Truth I mourn you who have predeceased me"
@yvonneyork1263
@yvonneyork1263 Рік тому
So appropriate as we witness the struggle to elect a speaker of the house, and the ridicule heaped upon those who dare to dissent from the uni party orthodoxies. Also so sad to see children cutting off communication with their parents because they disagree politically, when blood ties and love might transcend these petty politics that will mean nothing on our deathbeds. No one is going to care about Trump on their deathbed, except his loved ones.
@SuperDflower
@SuperDflower Рік тому
And then not even, I would wager
@joellis5915
@joellis5915 10 місяців тому
Also, the indoctrination of "no talk about politics and religion" silenced and blocked the debate and deterred needed protestation, demonstration, for one movement, that is, "Anti War" I went to a Taiwanese get together consisting of Pharmacists, dentists, PhDs, CPA and highly educated people with at least a Master's Degree, if not a Ph.D. of dozens attendees. When I raised a political question of "Ukraine Proxy War" I was immediately called off not to talk about Politics and Religion. I protested that if we can't talk about the critical issues which hold our necks about finance, our children's future. I was told it is mandatory that talking points are not allowed. The discussion only between personal matters and social subjects. I don't go to those events, because the events become a social function only. Case of Point, "Meetups" groups, also, are not allowed to talk about religion and politics. I guess, that is, a design program to kill the " DEBATE POLITICS". Same as all the companies not allowed to talk about "Politics and Religions" So Odds, what education are for? If one is censored what to talk, what to think and what to do? Even in the private function, who is watching you and policing you what to say? Why those blinded to comply with the mandate in private function. The designed program worked magically. Taiwanese is the front Running for the US Agenda by any means at any rate, that they paid for all the Politicians including Mike Pompeo and Pelosi's visitation, each paid couple of Millions US Dollars, in addition to all the trips covered.
@libertyordeath555
@libertyordeath555 10 місяців тому
Thank you for this excellent segment, I'll be donating.
@stevendamon7309
@stevendamon7309 Рік тому
Binary thinking. If nothing exists between Zero and One there is no space for compromise, hence no room for debate. Binary thinking (and the manipulation of it ) is killing us in all respects.
@glintinggold
@glintinggold Рік тому
100% agree! The fact is, nothing BUT compromise has happened. Therefore you have proven the second sentence a fallacy. There is PLENTY that exists between zero and one, therefore there IS space for compromise; as things stand that is all that ever happens, and we continually lose ground. Something has to be changed to reverse that trend; what shall it be and how shall it get done?
@stevendamon7309
@stevendamon7309 Рік тому
@@glintinggold By this logic, one half has to destroy the other half. That is happening already, as one half of the world is being paid to poison the other half.. Having said that, I don't believe it. I used to think that conflict and compromise were always on the table for us to choose, not absolutely, but in appropriate portions. If they are only absolute choices, then a third option is on the table, which is to simply walk away. In a totalitarian construct (where we are now) there is no walking away for those who might represent the possibility of any alternative. They will be hunted down. A fallacy, in other words. My strategy in all this has been to get ahead of the predictable curve of all this and show, by my opponents' own logic and record, where all this is going, and try to get the information out virally, and then get back to riding point. If the parties I give the information to ignore it or cannot be reasoned with, then I figure Ii am on my own, and nothing is to be done. Increasingly, that's where I'm at with it. Thank you for your thoughtful response.
@gonzalolirasbartab5200
@gonzalolirasbartab5200 Рік тому
Morality is binary.
@stevendamon7309
@stevendamon7309 Рік тому
@@gonzalolirasbartab5200 Ideally. But survival is complicated.
@stevendamon7309
@stevendamon7309 Рік тому
@OG Sky Watch Which makes me wonder, what is more dangerous; a perceived enemy or a perceived friend? There is a saying; "The sheep fears the wolf at the treeline, but it is the Shepard who steals her babies." Are we not being shepherded? There is another saying; "the devils' greatest trick is to convince people that he does not exist." Games within games.
@ddport1
@ddport1 Рік тому
Just goes to show you how true literacy works compared to being illiterate. Facts, proof, an evidence. Checking the source of the information. This is 101 when you're in a situation with higher learning i.e.. The collegiate level. Yes we have a lot of small-minded people on this planet critical thinking is something of the past. Yes respect for each other very important. Yes self reflection is a start
@mick947
@mick947 Рік тому
Just wonderful. Thank you.
@daveomacron4301
@daveomacron4301 10 місяців тому
As always, a critically important and informative conversation.
@josietheatre9325
@josietheatre9325 Рік тому
Got some great notes from this. Empathy first not last. The rational debate cannot begin if feelings are ignored. This takes time and energy and persitance. Practicing empathy keeps us strong and healthy for when the climate is fair for debate.
@howielisnoff
@howielisnoff Рік тому
What? Dinosaurs didn’t live along with Adam and Eve? There goes my day... Great discussion!
@onlythetruthwillsetyoufree8872
@onlythetruthwillsetyoufree8872 Рік тому
Well actually dinosaurs (giant lizards) turned out to be big birds and Adam and Eve were not the first people and the did not live in paradise. But then again, History is a story. And stories change over time.
@onlythetruthwillsetyoufree8872
@onlythetruthwillsetyoufree8872 Рік тому
@GasMaskWW3 I am referring to the insight that dinosaurs would be more aptly called dinoavians as they are more closely related to birds than to lizards. As an illustration of how stories about the past change over time. The bible is a fantastic set of stories and philosophies from the dawn of written history. But modern theoretical physics and geography are beautiful stories as well. And like the bible these stories will be replaced again by different stories in the future.
@raoulwise1654
@raoulwise1654 Рік тому
Then how did they crack their coconuts? Don't buy the secular hype!
@nolitetebastardescarborund9761
@nolitetebastardescarborund9761 Рік тому
Aww, Howie, sure they did. I loved a cartoon by the late French cartoonist, Charb, where Eve is telling Adam to take the tyrannosaur (waiting patiently on its leash) out for its walk, & on the floor is its dish marked "Rex." Sadly, Charb (Stéphane Charbonnier) was killed in the 2015 Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris.
@susannapavelkova1265
@susannapavelkova1265 6 місяців тому
It's the same in UK.
@ishrirampersad8809
@ishrirampersad8809 Рік тому
I wish to pay great compliments to Mr. Chris Hedges. He really has a sense what the American Constitution wanted from this New Society, 'The Americans.' I pay obeisance to you in your erudition and what fairness means. Congratulations!
@Damn3dYank33
@Damn3dYank33 Рік тому
“Divide et Emperum”
@glintinggold
@glintinggold Рік тому
Depending on who you're saying is doing the dividing, you could be making a recommendation or warning us that The People's enemies have done a fine job of dividing us and conquering us. I'm getting the vibe that you are saying allowing dissent and encouraging debate IS dividing us, but you are possibly going on the assumption that the establishment is doing a fine job and there's no reason to debate anything!
@rowdy3837
@rowdy3837 Рік тому
I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. Debate and dissent are not only not encouraged but increasingly not even tolerated. We confront a false dichotomy when considering our two major parties. I’m reminded of Freud’s “narcissism of minor differences.” The “debates” that rage are staged. It’s misdirection. While Americans are at each other’s throats over the minutiae and looking the other way, corporate power continues to consolidate and quality of life sharply declines. We are presented with what we are told are two equal and opposite forces outside of which there is nothing worth consideration. As long as “debate” is confined within the narrow parameters set by these “sides” it will be amplified to the exclusion of all else. Eventually, because it is the only thing you can hear, the resulting belief is that it is all you need to hear. When both halves of the country are being sold the notion that the other half is actively engaged in its destruction, you don’t question it, you fight back. This is what it means to divide and conquer.
@Damn3dYank33
@Damn3dYank33 Рік тому
@@glintinggold “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb debating over what’s for dinner.” Benjamin Franklin. Divisiveness comes easy in a duopoly…
@Deadgod91
@Deadgod91 Рік тому
Use the identity politics to divide the society people are so afraid of one another that they surrender their freedom and decision making power to the Government. This is how cancel culture rose and left/liberals became pro-censorship and anti-privacy.
@jeffd414
@jeffd414 Рік тому
Would love some discourse on the new “media literacy” being taught in schools, starting with New Jersey. I fear it’s not at all the literacy you’re talking about here, but rather, corporate backed, security state, acceptable literacy.
@SuperDflower
@SuperDflower Рік тому
Believe me, I have seen what’s in those modern day textbooks and I can’t imagine anybody’s gonna be able to go against whatever narrative they sling….. That’s wishful thinking. Especially in public schools. God help us
@jenniferbringman9054
@jenniferbringman9054 4 місяці тому
The more I hear the less I trust my wellbeing to politicians.
@user-qm2li8zx2d
@user-qm2li8zx2d 4 місяці тому
Washington has turned into Barnum and Bailey.
@catgoyda4249
@catgoyda4249 Рік тому
Everybody please shared this - thank you; your Honor thank you for sharing the correct information
@TheEricrya
@TheEricrya Рік тому
Can’t wait to get the book!
@Jantango
@Jantango Рік тому
I just bought the book for Kindle. It's a must read.
@personalkelly11
@personalkelly11 Рік тому
Another excellent discussion that none of my social media friends (ok, maybe 1 or 2) will see when I share it because it seems the major platforms are simply not interested in allowing my friends and followers to see anything of import.
@MrShanester117
@MrShanester117 Рік тому
Oh get over yourself
@skanthaadsigns
@skanthaadsigns Рік тому
If we follow Chris speeches from over a decade ago, its spot on , especially now with education system..
@Yahoo947
@Yahoo947 9 місяців тому
So very very true! In fact I am in awe at the information shared regarding The Christian And Missionary Alliance Churches that just moved their Nation Headquarters from Colorado Springs, Colorado to Columbus ( Reynoldsburg), Ohio. I wonder about their connection & ties to The growing Vineyard Church ( Rich Nathan) Plant global movement and their ties to The UK Vineyard USA global movements. When I think of the possibility of John Kasich being tied to both as well as attending the WEF meetings we may be in for a surprise when Kasich is announced ( someway, somehow as the next President of The United States. He is the greatest privatization Governor in the world. He quietly throws stones behind our back and then lays low long enough only to arise as the NO.1 Savior of The World. Thank you for this story you are again giving us much needed vital information.
@firstnamelastname9141
@firstnamelastname9141 Рік тому
Who needs it? Just take to twitter and call one another names 🙄
@robertmontgomery6256
@robertmontgomery6256 Рік тому
HRC on Julian Assange: “Can’t we just drone this guy?”
@KelliAnnWinkler
@KelliAnnWinkler Рік тому
I love these discussions. Can't help but wonder why Left-wing radio did not take off like the Right-wing radio talk shows did. Even today, left-wing talk shows have a difficult time connecting to the masses. Don't kid yourself, profit drives the show. I grew up as a "democrat", but gradually morphed into a "republican" by the time I was in my mid twenties. I guess that makes me a right-winger. I haven't watched mainstream news for many years, including FOX or CNN. So, where should we go to get our news? This Real News Network is an excellent source for depth into some of the current and past issues. Chris Hedges is one my favorites. There are many others and I am sure of them would not be acceptable to one side or the other. We all view the world through our own filters whether we like it or not. Breaking from that practice is tough but doable.
@l.f.antrider1795
@l.f.antrider1795 Рік тому
In other words we need ethical philosophers to engage in good faith arguments. And this is why my humanities department doesn't exist anymore.
@joeanthony7759
@joeanthony7759 Рік тому
There are larger forces that actually discourage healthy, informed debate among the citizenry. They want us fearful of each other, divided and distracted.
@j3kfd9j
@j3kfd9j Рік тому
Please tell me more about this ^
@michaelbartlett6864
@michaelbartlett6864 Рік тому
For the American Empire to survive, the fairness doctrine had to be eliminated, because the argument FOR Empire could not thrive with ANY alternate policy ideas getting equal airtime!
@hudson8865
@hudson8865 Рік тому
Thank you very much.
@robertgarcia1853
@robertgarcia1853 9 місяців тому
Has the push to devide, and then to confuse, reached a genius level? Aren't their political systems in history, a Republic might contrast? What model did we counter in the Revolution?
@tommyanomaly6193
@tommyanomaly6193 Рік тому
Social media has made this problem so much worse
@creamydistortion
@creamydistortion 11 місяців тому
Just don't use it... It's not necessary at all...
@Dani68ABminus
@Dani68ABminus Рік тому
Very important topic...thank you all! I believe that the best way to overcome what ails us as a society is to personally become more truthful, transparent, and ethical. The world is a reflection of our desires and thoughts, not the stories we weave for public consumption. The more we lie to ourselves and others, the more we participate in the destruction of that which is good. If we become better, the world will as well. As within so without.
@ivandafoe5451
@ivandafoe5451 Рік тому
In a corporate capitalist society there is NO society-wide place for truth, transparency nor ethics. ALL of these values are overwhelmed by forced allegiances to corporatist cultures. It takes a supreme effort to free our words, our actions and even our thinking from the constant pressure to conform to the authoritarian nature of such hierarchical entities.
@ankersman
@ankersman Рік тому
@@ivandafoe5451 Yup. But why would you subject yourself? Just give in and enjoy the baubles and distractions of capitalism.
@SuperDflower
@SuperDflower Рік тому
I pray that it’s true that if we all become better somehow we have an effect that’s larger than we can conceive of. I guess in a mercenary way, that’s my motto or credo but I have no proof that it actually does make a difference. But what else is there to do?
@DrAlexVasquezICHNFM
@DrAlexVasquezICHNFM Рік тому
I remember when a paperback book was $12 and now they’re $35-45
@jennyrokeach523
@jennyrokeach523 Рік тому
Beautiful conversation
@creamydistortion
@creamydistortion 11 місяців тому
Fuck AmeriKKKa
@KK-iy7mw
@KK-iy7mw 11 місяців тому
In a society where opinions outweighs facts, based on how strongly its promoted, we have simply lost out critical faculties and hence fallen for the trick of the fake opposition between Democrats and Republicans. These parties are essentially the same right wing machinery and the only opposition is about who wins the game of thrones.
@helpanimals-
@helpanimals- 10 місяців тому
now this is well put!
@blue_wolfproductions12
@blue_wolfproductions12 10 місяців тому
Yup
@breakupgoogle4584
@breakupgoogle4584 9 місяців тому
As clear as it gets.
@levinb1
@levinb1 Рік тому
Thank you again for another informative episode!
@thepepperlanders
@thepepperlanders Рік тому
I disagree with many of Chris Hedges political positions but I respect him completely. I remember his coverage of wars and he was an on the ground reporter. He showed empathy and guts.
@jennyrokeach523
@jennyrokeach523 Рік тому
Amazing guests
@skrrt-skrrt
@skrrt-skrrt Рік тому
Privatization is just the government’s way of avoiding the constitution.
@ivandafoe5451
@ivandafoe5451 Рік тому
What...how did you get that so wrong? Privatization is the corporate state's way of avoiding the constitution.
@jayobannon5359
@jayobannon5359 Рік тому
Wealth transfer
@skrrt-skrrt
@skrrt-skrrt Рік тому
@@ivandafoe5451 that’s exactly what I said. Verbatim.
@nolitetebastardescarborund9761
@nolitetebastardescarborund9761 Рік тому
@@skrrt-skrrt Yep. What's the diff?
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