Haha, you nailed it!!!

The sandbags were such a bad idea. They didn't really increase protection but they sure as shit hurt the transmission.

@@kyle857 Thats not how it works guy.

The tank was protecting the soldiers; not the other way around you twat.

@@livinglifeform7974 He's obviously making a joke on the Soviet tactic of tank desant, the practice of having infantry ride on top of tanks into battle.

Mark Kelly aprons actually...

I can imagine a hollow half cylinder that has to be fastened to the chassis. Hey, they're angled. Expect bounces left right and... mein gott, i have to try it.

Because we are in England and we're not allowed to wear shorts.

Bravo!

Even more so underwear

Scottish tanks had kilts!

Gentlemen, you are just sporran for an argument.

@Matthew Littlejohn they wear the skirts themselves

But the Scots themselves wear kilts right.

Tourist: Why are you calling your skirt "a kilt"? Scotsman (after a moment of silence and intense staring): Because a lot of pi'pl got kilt' foR calling it "a skiRt".

Those sound like fun books to read. Where can I find English copies of them?

@@typehere6689 lol

Sure as hell will never work for CNN or MSNBC with that attitude.

yeah but primary sources can be just as wrong as secondary sources

@@siddharthkalra5114 I think U really misunderstanding what a primer source is.

Haha .50 cals go ratatatatataatatataata

I also hate when someone shot off my skirt armour off.....now my tank looks become unbalanced.......

Video game logic

Guns have far better penetration at close range. IRL the shermans 75mm can pen the tigers front plate to about 200 or so meters. But the tiger irl is a tank built for sniping. Not CQB. And the 76mm gun waz designed to be able to counter snipe the tiger.

@@robertharris6092 the sherman with the 75mm could not penetrate the tiger frontally, even at 200m. I think its maximum penetration was about 90mm

Slat armour, bar armour, cage armour and, confusingly, standoff armour. And, while I did previously argue that it's not spaced armour, it is armour that is spaced away from the main armour, so I think that technically makes it spaced armour after all.

Military History not Visualized didn’t the Americans do a similar thing as the Russians but with sandbags also didn’t they also put wood skirts on the side of their Sherman in the Pacific similar to the idea of Zimmerit?

Military History not Visualized also did the German think about putting sandbags in between the Armor and the skirt?

As I said in another comment, sandbags, wood, and other similar addons only served to weight down the tank. They did not provide any improvement to the protection. Some US commanders let the soldiers do it for morale, but Patton, IIRC, chastised it. The Soviets carried logs to help tanks get out of mud though, I'm not sure they used it as armour.

USSChicago1943 they put on concrete. After action reports on the King Tiger from the troops was add concrete to the turret, if the thing was not heavy enough.

Rad in fact the brits had an At-rifle nicknamed the Boy

Paul Hanswursten yes that was the joke he knew that

it was Boyes AT rifle

@@pokiparkassistent It wasn't a nickname. The anti-tank rifle was named after captain Henry Boys, who was part of the team that designed it. He died during development, so they named the rifle after him.

@@nylkul9933 It's Boys. I shoot one once or twice a month.

Kinetic energy will be transformed into an increase in pressure and therefore temperature resulting in molten metal.

@@johnsamu Metal acts like plastic if subjected to a lot of pressure. Im certain the vapourization effect is still there though in a small area.

@@johnsamu: I think with such pressure gradients the metal will flow like a liquid even if the melting temperature is not reached.

@@seneca983 This is correct, APFSDS penetrate the same way which is why the equations involved are mainly dependent on L/D of the rods and the densities of the materials.

i'm not sure you all understand what the term plastic means kids. everything has a plasticity level . even iron or steal but generally speaking: Plasticity (physics), in physics and engineering, the propensity of a solid material to undergo permanent deformation under load and : Plastic: Generic term used in the case of polymeric material that may contain other substances to improve performance or reduce costs. Note 1: The use of this term instead of polymer is a source of confusion and thus is not recommended. Note 2: This term is used in polymer engineering for materials often compounded that can be processed by flow. i think ya all might be getting these 2 things confused huh

"look, they have 30 Tigers!" "Ah. i see, bring more shermans"

@@haomingxia2109: Meaning they brought the shermans from elsewhere, to fight weaker tanks that weren't tigers. So that the actual tigers can be deployed in an area where the shermans are not. In strategy it's often beneficial to make the enemy think you have certain weapons in a specific location that you do not, just as it's beneficial to make the enemy think you do not have certain weapons in an area which you do.

Reminds me of how the Sherman Firefly had its barrel painted so it would break up the outline and look more like a normal one.

@@sevenproxies4255 Also how the allies fooled the germans by dressing a random drunk dude's coprse like an officer, and giving him forged documents explaining the invasion to be in crete, when they actually planned on invading Sicily

@@maxwell120L55 not in Crete, it was in that other Italian island in the Mediterranean near Corsica which i have no idea on how to call it in english (therefore called Sardenha because this is the name in my language :-DDD)

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I asume this is the plot of Girls und Panzer.

@@mex_I.M ^that would be Panzermadels. If I have to be degenerate, I'll do it right.

cursed comments

Oh thanks I mean tanks

I still watch the entire video, because is informative

I know this is quite harmless, but the internet is promoting this kind of blind belief in information... it's not good to believe in someone's point without listening to their reasoning first. What if his reasons for saying so were completely false? This is how 'fake news' spreads.

@@BenXu1 Do you believe there is a lot of fake news circulating about WWII-era military equipment?

@@MondusMondus Yes.

Or a Scot.

Actually these tanks were male. Only those who had only machine guns were female.

the tank may be female, but "der Panzer" is always male, even if it has "Schürzen" (aprons) ;-) The german language uses male, female and neutral articles for things, "der" is usually male (first person singular), "die" is female and "das" is neutral.

y'all are just saying bullshit, its actually just a jacket to make the tank warm in soviet lands

It's funny that diminutive words in German are neuter. For example, you have "das Mädchen" or "das Madel" which both mean girl. Quite sexist, don't you think? xD

ya the Softer Steel Track made the shell dig in and negated the angle of the frontal glacis of the M4 Sherman American Doctrine goes Shell Velocity then bigger caliber due to reasons to preserve ammo capacity on another note Firefly is kinda overrated tbfh sure it was a good gun but it wasnt a good tank if you have seen the inside of it, its like they decided do we have an effective fighting crew with a worse gun or a gun that sure will punch holes but it came the expense of the crew's fighting ability

Jacob Clark yes, I see you are a follower of the Chieftains theory of the Firefly and the 76mm. The British didn’t rate the 76mm not as good has the 75mm with HE, couldn’t fight the cats. The 76mm that did arrive were sent to Italy but with Firefly to baby sit them. The Firefly was a make do and mend, tank following the British strategy I referred to. Biggest Gun Mobility and armour, so take the best tank available and up gun, has Comet was not available to late 44 followed by the game changer, Centurions 45. Commanders of Guard Armour wanted 3 Firefly to 1 75mm, because there where never enough Firefly’s available they attached the Royal Artillery, Achilles the up gunned M10 with a 17 pounder. General Jacob L. Devers had concluded the same late 1943, he wanted Pershing deployed similarly to Firefly 1 per Troop. This is covered in detail, with the debate over the Pershing, by the red book THE ROLE OF ARMY GROUND FORCES IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF EQUIPMENT. study No. 34.

Blah b yes so right, the official stop gap was Challenger 17 pounder on the Cromwell hull, not a successful design. The importance of Firefly with all the issues it was available for Normandy when nothing else was and if used correctly with the 75mm Sherman was deadly. The interesting fact from David Fletcher is, it had the lowest lost rate of the Sherman’s version possibly because of the range of the gun, No2 quotes 1150 yards twice that of the 75mm tanks and the repositioning of the ammunition so less likely to burn. The Firefly is like the Hurricane in the Battle of Britain not ideal but with greater advantages than disadvantages.

@@le_floofy_sniper_ducko7964 Do get that right: what you describe with "dig in" is the same as a handgun bullet does when hitting a windhield from outside a car. Due to the angle and the physical properties of the glass and the bullet, the bullet alter its path downwards at an angle on impact. In this case if they added plates on the tanks and would have angled them "outward" (the other way the underlying armor was angled) this then should increase the effect of armour in a direct hit.

DC good summarization. But again for the Sherman to kill a Panther or Tiger it had to shoot them in a special spot while the Panther and Tiger could kill a Sherman any where. Guess which tank I want to be in.

Mr. L agreed, and I thought he was Austrian, but I was shocked when I came to Germany (learning German.) that everyone speaks excellent English, like I can discuss complex topics without any difficulty.

@@thetzeentchianrepresentati5547 Yayy

@@thetzeentchianrepresentati5547 "If you want to dominate someone make him speak your language"- unknown quotation. Most German speak "OK" english.

@@Kai-bj5ol it's always good to speak more languages. Especially one that is spoken nearly all over the world. Ever been to Scandinavia? They don't even synchronise movies because everyone speaks English.

@@thetzeentchianrepresentati5547 Austrian and German is the same thing

I liked your replies it was very informative, I read one time where the space shuttle had a crack in the outer layer of one of its windows that was caused by paint chip from debris floating in orbit around the Earth

I read that soviet tank crews used bed springs from mattresses to foil panzerfausts.

@@camo7886 I dont know about that - photo was poor, but looks like industrial mesh made for fence today.

Weren't those grenade screens to prevent thrown explosives from making contact with the hull though?

@@w0lfgm I think I read about the use of mattress springs in Cornelius Ryan 1966 book 'The Last Battle', although it was only a brief mention and the book has since been shown to contain errors. So who knows.

cous the russians didnt know the purpose

@Matthew Caughey Ummm.....the Maybachs broke down constantly. They were notorious for it. The only question a Tiger maintenance crew member ever wondered was whether the engine or running gear would fail first.

“Quality” sources.

Makes it actually worse. Only HEAT weapon it might work against would be their own panzerfausts. This was shown when they tried mesh screens in a test against various HEAT weapons.

In fact IIRC skirts are proven to largely be an infeasible means of defeating HEAT because the spacing required to actually dissipate is around 1-2m, and although sufficient spacing can degrade the performance of the penetrator somewhat it generally isn't worth the additional weight. This is why a lot of modern "skirt" designs such as slat armor try to work by degrading the warhead. Even these methods are only statistically about 50% effective against the warhead they're specifically designed to handle though and are more of a "better than nothing" approach. The most cost-effective spaced armor arrangement in terms of weight, and one generally used to improve HEAT resistance on tanks IIRC is to just alternate small air pockets with plates as many medium transitions has a dramatically better impact on performance than just stand off. Another interesting concept covered by Drachinifel that utilizes spaced armor in maritime use is the concept of a decapping layer for capital ships prior to WW2. The idea being that by creating a just thick enough layer of armor at a optimal stand off distance from the main belt you can decap a shell's ballistic cap, and maybe make the shell tumble, messing with its ability to normalize against the armor and improving the main belt's effectiveness. Far from a researcher or historian in the field though, just some engineer who likes military history.

Which make sense to use.

Yup. It's the buffer zone that's critical. If you slam the skirt right up against the part of the tank it is supposed to protect, it provides little to no protection. But if you employ standoffs of about 6-12 inches, that nasty shaped charge for the most part becomes ineffective.

@@chuckschillingvideos Wasn't talking about shaped charges. Anti-tank rifle rounds.

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Yes. But optimal stand off distances increases with charge diameter, so it might have helped with very small warheads... it's not very clear.

@@MaxRavenclaw someone must have done studies on the ideal standoff distance of the different faustpatronen, its just about digging up the report. Or get Sidney Alford to play around with some experimental archeology.

Hence the name 'Bed Spring Armour'..............

U remember right

And the Brits used sticky bombs.. basically bombs in bags coated with glue or grease .. I think Zimmerit also stopped those sticking ..not 100% sure .. End of Saving Private Ryan ..they used similar to blow a wheel off the Tiger.

the Germans also applied for a very long time Zimmerit to their armor to protect against magnetic mines, which nobody but themselves used in large quantity.

generally, interesting points, yet, unless I see something in German documents from the time, it is very likely a coincidence.

@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized its probably that, the skirts were originally designed to counter the Russian Antitank Guns, then some of the eastern Front Tanks were moved to Italy and they noticed that it worked for Capped AP Shells aswell. History is full of coincidence like that

IIRC at least the Polish cavalry had anti-tank rifles.

Note he said in large numbers.

​@@tomuhawk96 It depends what you mean by a large number. Poles had anywhere between 3500-6500 of them. Post Polish campaign most sources state 800 sent to Italians and rest pressed into German service. I believe the imperial war museum has an example with serial number in the 3800 range. The British Boys anti-tank rifle was built in the tens of thousands.

They utilised a novel 7.9mm cartridge that was elongated to provide additional propellant to produce muzzle velocities necessary for puncturing armour of the day, many wound up in German inventory as the Panzerbusche 35(p) but they were virtually obsolete at the beginning of the war and were quickly discarded.

Lol Polish

The US also uses wire mesh on a few of their vehicles as well. For the same reasons I think.

USSR did produce a enormous amounts of anti-tank rifles over 470 000!?, hence it increased the probability of a anti-tank rifle was in the right/wrong postion to get a flank or rear shoot.

They were pretty effective; even the commanders of later war vehicles such as Panthers complained how they could degrade combat efficiency by hitting vision ports, causing damage to running gear and so on. I think some 1.5 million were produced. And the Red Army apparently often like to use them en masse against single vehicles where possible.

Effective enough, especially against non heavy tanks. Soviet antitank rifleman were also quite good shots who could pick out weak spots.

Its not much a question about effectiveness but more a question of capabality since the sowjet union was the only side which could employ sufficient amounts of tungsten(carbide) which was needed to produce the needed ammo en masse.

The Russian AT rifles could penetrate the side armour of Panzer III and all the armoured cars and half-tracks.

It is, the problem is that pretty much only the germans used magnetic mines.

@@CaptainGrief66 The Russians were using them against the Germans in WW2

@@CaptainGrief66 They would run up and stick them to the outside of the tank

@@CaptainGrief66 Different than a Mine it was more of a magnetic charge/bomb designed to penetrate armor. Tanks have to be used with infantry or they are fairly blind and can be snuck up on. but in a real shoot out infantry is very vulnerable so the tanks were vulnerable.

@John Cornell Im taking your word on the dates. They realized they had a problem it took time to come up with a solution and update production. i seem to remember hearing they stopped using it towards the end of the war. What do you think it was for Stealth? So the tank would not show up on radar LOL.

They are also using it as a heavy machine gun on APCs.

Iron General actually at the gun under the skirt then you know

By how many ways they can be penetrated

Fun fact: the Mark V Landships (the first tanks) had both male and female variants so this is valid kinda

@@jackd1582 😩😳

Honda Gaharu no. It wouldnt. Nazi regalia is illegal in germany

Logs, sandbags, and similar improvised armour proved to be utterly useless, in fact detrimental as they weighted down the tank for no added protection. BTW, don't confuse the logs Soviet tanks carried to help with getting the tanks out of mud with armour.

IIRC philippine rebels didn’t have actual HEAT warhead, but HE-FRAG and those sorts with very limited penetration to begin with. But even those are enough to rip a normal M113. In this context the logs could very much be sufficient to soak up the blast

MaxRavenclaw I am aware of that, but I am trying to recall a battle where they used logs as improv armour. I heard of it, just couldn’t remember or I might be thinking of a different war/battle.

Graff_Zitel Yeah, perhaps, or maybe I am not aware of the variant they used. Nevertheless, they stacked wood on the vehicles and it successfully prevented the vehicles’ destruction...

Though is space it's called a "Whipple shield".

It's really impossible to prepare in advance, since optimal stand off distance is dependent on charge diameter, so unless the enemy only uses small warheads and you know how small they are, you're not gonna do much.

MaxRavenclaw thanks for confirming what I read many years ago.

@@MAAAAAAAAAA123 Who said that's a dick. I mean, it's above the skirt, not below it. There are a lot of pointy parts that aren't dicks.

Well, the Panzer 1's only had machine guns, so by WW1 nomenclature they would be. Shame they didn't get the skirts.

(Note: Panzerfaust also had a base detonating fuze) Subject : Firing tests against T-34 covered with wood Soft wood ( Weichholz ) with a thickness of 40 mm placed on the armor (45 mm) of the upper part of the chassis. Using large Faustpatrone: clean perforation of the wood and armor. Soft wood 50 mm thick placed on the turret armor (75 mm). Using large Faustpatrone: cleans perforation of the wood and armor. Soft wood with a thickness of 50 mm placed on the front armor of the tank. Using large Faustpatrone: clean perforation of the approximately 120 mm of wood and armor. Soft wood with a thickness of 50 mm placed at a distance of 110 mm from the armor on the top of the chassis. Using large Faustpatrone: clean perforation of the wood and the 45 mm of armor. Soft wood with a thickness of 40 mm placed at a distance of 50 cm from the armor on the top of the chassis. By means of small Faustpatrone: the 45 mm have not been drilled. 25 mm thick soft wood mounted movably ( shutter) placed 50 cm away from the upper armor of the chassis. Using large Faustpatrone: clean perforation of the wood and armor.