Vim is language agnostic. Shortcuts in ides are very ide specific

@@insydian ignoring the fact that you can reassign the shortcut and they are usually managed with simple text files, and also ignoring that, at least in my experience, people usually aren’t switching rapidly from language to language in their daily workflow for the moment. that argument doesn’t really apply to the two leading IDEs, IntelliJ and vscode

Pretty much sums it up,trying to be elitist at all costs

They are brainwashed elitists, most of these people are average programmers trying to flex with a text editor 😂.

Shortcuts are trash, modes are much better

Yup, I use PHPStorm, and I have those, with some modifications. I also have many more set that I use religiously. I just noticed how much I rely on them when I was helping new colleagues that didn't have my key bindings - I kept hitting them and nothing happened or something else happened. It felt like a limb was missing, it felt so slow and powerless coding like that. In no particular order: Ctrl+Shift+up/down to move the line(s) up and down a line (useful for switching order of lines). Ctrl(+shift)+left/right/up/down/end/home go(+select to) next word/camel case boundary, line start/end Ctrl+backspace/del - delete to next boundary left/right Ctrl+shift+backspace/del - delete to next camel case boundary left/right Ctrl+shift+f or r search/replace in all files Ctrl + - and Ctrl + +, or the prev/next buttons on the mouse -> move caret in history back and forward, even across files Ctrl+e toggle quotes/doublequotes Ctrl+q toggle comment lines Ctrl+click on something - goes to its definition Ctrl + right click on something - goes to where it's used or if there's more than one place, then it goes to a list of places where it's used so I can pick one (up/down to move through list) Ctrl+~/tilde - rename(+refactor) everywhere - renames variable/function/etc everywhere (can even rename in comments if wanted), also renames files/namespaces/use statements if it's a class, etc. Some hotkey I forgot for Zen mode where it hides everything (like menus/sidebars/etc.) except the text. I think it's Ctrl+F5. Ctrl+1 toggle show/hide file tree, Ctrl+2 toggle open/go to last terminal, Ctrl+3 toggle commit sidebar, Ctrl+4 toggle sidebar menus, Ctrl+5 toggle git log/branches/remotes tree Ctrl+w close tab/window Ctrl+shift+tab open last tab And some more that I can't remember right now. I also edited the interface of PHPStorm and removed more than half of the options in menus and right click context menus, so they're much shorter and cleaner now, and they contain only what I need. It's so much easier to use them like that now.

@@ivanjelenic5627haha, yeah, using someone elses IDE setup feels so strange! I really have to look into modifying the interface, thanks for the tip!

most of those are defaults in jetbrains ides @@Rohinthas

yeah webstorm is great, as are pretty much all jet brains IDEs.

As a compromise, I highly recommend the vim plugin. Its really nice to be able to use the modal tricks you get with vim within a full ide env like intellij et al

CLion is my go-to, and I work primarily in C & C++. Despite some weaknesses, it's an indispensable tool for me. I can't imagine trying to configure vim to achieve similar capabilities... I don't have time for that.

JetBrains IDEs just rock, they have really improved them during the past 3 or 4 years or so.

I agree, I don't find that vim is particularly faster than PHPStorm + Ideavim. Also I find PHP LSPs kind of lackluster compared to PS's intents. I use Alt + Enter all the time to do things like invert and split if statements, search for the correct imports and updating deprecated constructs to the new implementation (an example is strpos() === false which can be changed to str_contains()). I like and use vim a lot, but there are so many things I end up missing for PHP specifically.

Agreed, I use nvim for absolutely except php plugins/extensions, there the PHPStorm is godsent. The fact you can load classes from outside the plugin folder, and not even from a live install or docker instance is so convenient. You can make the hints also straddle a range of PHP versions, which is amazing when updating embedded code to be php 8.2 compatible without breaking 7.3. JetBrains knows how to make an LSP and static analysis and Ideavim is pretty good too. If they ever made a sub just for their LSP's which I could pipe into vim, they have my money for life.

The big thing for me is all the refactoring and structural search and replace capabilities in JetBrains stuff. Being able to refactor 17 files with a new interface in Java, for example, is only a few keystrokes.

Great point. Ctrl + p allows you to navigate to any file without using your mouse, and you can map tab focus to any key in the settings.

It's almost as if having a single button command interpreter in an editor is a brilliant idea to accumulate any and all functionality under ;)

​@@Xe054 Ctrl + p is trash compares to the tons of fuzzy finding options in neo(vim) like Telescope fzf-vim fzf-lua leaderf and so on. It's like a bicycle vs a car

​@heroe1486 congrats you saved 0.12 seconds. You've saved the entire project deadline with that speed efficiency.

​@@heroe1486what are the options, what make them better?

Don't you mean 21?

Foot pedals? Found the emacs user.

​@@FaZekiller-qe3ufthe 21th is actually only for men and I'm feminist so I don't use it

Frontal tail works at specific times only

@kahnfatman lust seeks rust

same for Scala

Agreed, IntelliJ is awesome! Though I'd say this is mostly due to Java having such fat dev environment. It is indeed challenging to work with without a proper IDE

@@anon_y_mousse haha I wish it was possible to write perfect code the first time. But I don't use debug only to fix bugs. I use it as a development tool too. I always run my code with a debug the first time to make sure it is doing what it should. Almost like a repl development that clojure devs use, but with a debugger, and even the evaluate code that intellij provides

Yeah when I was doing Java I simply couldn't use neovim. Especially since it was Java 8, and the neovim plugins for Java only work like above 14 or 17 something like that... plus yeah IntelliJ is a very good product. But the fact that you absolutely NEED it because otherwise you simply can't work with Java speaks enough about what a shitty language it is and why I never want to touch it again.

@@thiagomiranda3 I use tests for that :)

Yeah i even went as far as to bind it to shift shift bc i find it even easier to use, as well as ctrl ctrl for opening command palette, which i far prefer over the approach the bloated IDE’s take with a billion buttons and menus. Also having the extension commands work through the command palette is also a major W. I also mapped alt alt to symbol search. Whats also cool with the drop down dialog is it is actually the same dialog for all 3 actions, just > prefix == command, # prefix == symbol, and no prefix is a file search. Super awesome, also love how vsc has ctrl f dialog per “tab” so you can do a plaintext search in the terminal and in your file, and ctrl shift f for entire project. Much better user experience then the billion button and menu ides

VSCode is not an IDE, so I have no clue how it's related to the topic of the video. Visual Studio also has fuzzy code/file search using Ctrl + comma.

how do you map double ctrl to ketmaop in vscode@@wolfeygamedev1688

@@019bc3if not ide that what is it? It has debugger, linters, analyzers and millions of other tools.

Yeah I was a mostly competent vim user and recently switched to vs code and have been really happy

probably the fairest take

I use nvim for rust basically, and its awesome. Used CLION for about 2 years, but the bloat was killing me. But for frontend stuff, VSCode is my go to.

Yep. I still have no idea how to configure .sass formatter in nvim. Not even prettier seems to support it.

@@anon_y_mousse yeah, the question is just why would i hunt down vim packages (which are often broken, hard to install or unmaintained (or just require a degree in lua script development)) when i can just use pycharm which has all of this bundled in? i personally use pycharm with Vim mode for editing and it is a perfect combo.

I like the support for pytest and especially parameterized tests

Neovim's built in LSP can definitely do refactoring, I use it a bunch, and you can also set up code-actions and such pretty easily. As for requirements, I'm not sure this needs to be something that the text editor needs to do, you could probably just have a bash script that installs your requirements.

@@bernardcrnkovic3769 There are Neovim "IDEs" or distributions like LunarVim, AstroVim, LazyVim, and NvChad that bundle a bunch of plugins and set default configs for an out of the box experience. These are still just Neovim, so everything is still configurable and open source, and is generally good for beginners to just start using Neovim.

Vsc does it as well 4 you with python plugin

Nah, instead of using the built-in keys on your keyboard, you should learn a bunch of random nonsensical commands to navigate your document.

@@UrzaRage778 Or, maybe if you don't have such keys on your keybaoard, it doesn't hurt to learn a few keybindings. Macbooks do not have the majority of keys, so its a must for me since I love my macbook to death for how much better of a development device it is compared to my windows laptop. Also, macros are powerful as fuck, and I don't know if those keys are qualified as macro movements. Even if they are, they are not home row keys, and require you to look down or maybe misclick. Vim was created for power users that wanted to never leave the keyboard for a mouse, and instead manage everything. And considering how much serverless tech we use today, or cloud linux machines, good luck navigating the terminal with vscode when ssh'ing in. Are you going to go ahead and install vs code on your remote machine just so you can edit a couple config files? More over switching and managing tabs for terminal commands and performing parallel operations that require the terminal. Not everyone is going to make a GUI for all your needs. I'm not saying you gotta switch, but you should be more comfortable to change, and considering your probably in the software industry, it's disappointing that you have such negativity towards such a powerful and useful tool. When i spin up VS code, i don't need all 100 of my extensions running in order to edit a file.

Exactly. I think a lot of the vim and neovim talk is bragging or showing off

muscle memory you will build in time young padawan

An advantage of VSCode is that most of the features are accessible via the mouse, and most actions can be searched using CTRL+P. Personally, I find this workflow slow for me because I am slow at using the mouse and I feel that the search lacks features. An advantage of Neovim is that most of the features are accessible using only the keyboard, but with a possible disadvantage for some, which is there's a lot of possible key combinations to do stuff

Which 10 common actions do you use? Are you talking about vs code shortcuts? I use the emmet shortcuts built into vs code, but I often wonder if there's a better way to navigate inside my files. This video showed me a glimpse of what nvim can do that vs code can't. For example, can you jump inside a function's parameters or to an opening and closing tag easily? In my experience, you have to hit the arrow keys too many times to jump around the file the way you want.

​@@Xe054use the mouse. There's nothing wrong with using the mouse. Heresy, I know...

I mean I suppose it's hard to refute that you're feeling unmotivated? Maybe you'd be more motivated if modifying code was less painful? I'd certainly say I got much better at programming after my attention got freed up from the problem of making changes to what the changes should be. And then I got worse at programming again when I started working somewhere the dev env is hyper borked 😅 Maybe you're onto something

Yeah man dont tie your personality into one IDE or editor or whatever that is a tool to help you create great software.

​@@CaptainWumbopeople like this would legit spend two minutes "learning" an ancient tech and would immediately be unmotivated and neither learn that garbage, nor get any coding done. Congrats.

sometimes a fun editor to write in enhances motivation :)

It’s the opposite really. It’s IDEots using only arm because the other one’s busy clicking buttons & moving the cursor with the mouse

Your second arm is one your mouse or maybe somewhere else while you're waiting for your bloatware to become responsive

Exactly! I think that Vim is good with code analysis, but not exactly ideal for crafting your project codebase that requires dealing with filters or subdirectories. I'm talking about design, not configuration or cyber analysis

i use the second arm to constantly cuddle my balls

Yes "you're sure", while even the most basic plugin wouldn't be available. Yes you can do things, just less efficiently, you could've have added css and SQL to the list that it wouldn't have changed much

Intellij hs a very similar way of showing project wide results!

visual studio for C# ? Hahaah, look at him

I've been using Visual Studio for C++ for years and almost never used the solution explorer to find files (nor any UI icons on top). Ctrl + comma opens code/file search with fuzzy matching.

You can literally do everything you do in VIM, in CS & VS Code. Stop pretending like you can't 😂

It takes 1s to move your hand from keyboard to the mouse and 1s to move back. With 80WPM you could've typed 2.5 words in that time span.

​@@ivanjermakovit takes you 2 seconds just to touch your mouse? Is it in another room?

@@georgehelyarlol

​@@georgehelyarhe's gotta warm his arm up

Or just use "autoscrolling". Hold the middle mouse button and offset the cursor. Zoooooooom. Oh no wait you only get that on Firefox or Windows everywhere outside of almost all IDEs (or have to hand code it yourself for chromium if you want it in a non FF browser on Mac or Linux).

Good point. The mouse cursor was original called a "pointer", and that's still a valid use for it.

Startup time is also kind of a non-issue once you have a single instance running. I hop around between several projects many times in a day. I just launch the project with dmenu and it takes a couple of seconds at worst, which isn't enough for me to care. It'd be worse if it was my terminal which I spawn and close hundreds of times per day.

Vim key bindings in most IDEs are only good if you're a vim beginner, otherwise it's quickly limiting.

​@@SteenSchutt Still important when you want to do quick edits while retaining the power of a complete environment, in few seconds I've already opened a file by using zoxide fzf and nvim while the jetbrain IDE isn't even loaded and responsive, dmenu/rofi being blazingly fast won't help those IDEs opening faster

@@heroe1486 its only when opening a new project though. Swapping through files within a project is as fast as in Vim. Idk about you but Im not swapping projects often enough for those few seconds to matter.

@@heroe1486 i do agree about ”most” IDEs but not specifically the jetbrains IdeaVim plug. I’ve used nvim for personal projects for a long time, definitely not a brginner and I rarely find things missing, and the ones that have been are easilly configured through built-in features. In the other direction vim relatively often lacks things I use that Jetbrains offer in terms of editing. Refactoring (technically has it but doesnt work in large projects)/live templates/postfix/extracting methods to name a few.

Freakin' thank you! I don't understand why this knowledge isn't ever discussed.

Im a flutter dev that uses neovim. I do all of this from vim and the cli. Most of what you think vscode is doing for you is actually being done by the lsp and project config folders interacting with the cli under the hood. Vim can replace vscode as the client to handle all of this. For instance, flutter-tools.nvim handles all of flutters auto refactoring functionality in vim, the same way the flutter extension does in vscode. The flutter cli handles all of the same emulator running and hot reload functionality as vscode does. Vscode is simply a client which has servers underhood that any other client can use, such as vim or emacs. Theses nothing vscode has that is proprietary and not also used by the vim community.

@@hamm8934 The OP is talking about using Android Studio for Android development which has tools built-in and wonderfully integrated together in ways VSCode and NeoVim can't.

This. Xcode is dogshit and is painful to use, but it would still beat out nvim in a long run because of the things mentioned + it's completely impossible to dev for ios/android without ui debugging tools. Webdevs are lucky in this regard because they have this functionality built into the browser.

@@Fakheet youd be surprised. I have a colleague that does native ios work in neovim and debugs with dap and a simulator

yes, you can get an ide to the point where you do everything with shortcuts (but with a vim plugin) but why not just use vim at that point?

Or you can use the vim bindings. If you are used to vim.

The biggest problem here, is that every optimization you learn and setup you do in an IDE is locked into that IDE. If you want to change IDE, you need to learn and setup once again. With vim, you can iterate your setup as you learn.

I am sorry man, but if you ask this question it means you really never used a good IDE, and especially a debugger. I feel the vibe of a JavaScript developer.@@adam29334

@@adam29334because coding is more than using shorcuts

I've set leader + q/w/e/r to go to the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th tab accordingly. Alt or ctrl + key should work better because you don't need to unpress leader key for it to work. For vertical movement ctrl+d and ctrl+u for half page movement (also recommend to remap them to add zz in the end which centers the screen) and { } for jumping to next empty line. Also you can browse IDE's actions to find smth usefull for you (example: close all tabs except current, close all unedited tabs etc) and map them to to smth like leader + x or any other key in ideavimrc. Hope smth will be usefull.

Theoretically language server's should be able to provide this functionality, but I think currently the IntelliJ family of IDEs still has the leg up when it comes to refactorings. They have their own "language server" kind of implementation. But I think as language servers mature and gain functionality IntelliJ will lose this advantage more and more.

I'm with you here

refactoring with jetbrains ide are top notch, I use ideavim with jetbrains and it's the best quality/cost setup

I was a RubyMine user and thought I needed this. Turns out that once I could no longer change a class name throughout a whole project on a whim, I actually thought about the class names I was using before settling on one. Now I don’t miss the project wide refactoring tools 🤷‍♂️ they’re definitely nice to have but also quite easy to live without

Sounds like a language or design problem

How did the course go? I have recently passed my DSA course but I still think that I need a good course to fully grasp it tbh Anything you found missing in the course that you needed extra resources for?

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I started on vscode and moved over to Neovim. I have no idea how anyone prefers it. A its significantly slower everything has noticeable delay, B it everything works worse and C it didnt teach me about my tools. The first two, might just be my computer or is just personal preference but the last one you cannot deny. I learnt so much about my tools from Neovim. I could never go back to Vscode its terrible

If VsCode’s vim emulator wasnt so dang slow and had better jumplist and mark emulation, i would agree. But until it does these things, i just cant leave vim. Ive tried.

you don't even need vim keybindings to do all the things demonstrated in the video. vscode has all of that built-in.

So, VScode is good when you make it reproduce vim's behavior?

I've been using vim for 20 years. I just went through vimtutorial, and started using it. It's better to learn all the advanced things, but not required at all. From time to time, I learn something new, it's enough for me.

There are pros and cons to Vim but to me, this is not one of them.

I hate vim. Started to use vi when I was 16. 40 years later I still hate it. The insert mode is rubbish. I feel you.

absolutely, using the best tool for the job is the way to go.

I keep wanting to use the vim integration in jetbrains, but for some reason the delay doing anything (even just opening the recent files popup) makes it so uncomfortable for me that I end up using the mouse instead

@@hrmny_really, I've never had that problem. If I did that would be unusable for sure

@@hrmny_ Jetbrains IDE are insanely slow, compared to vim/nvim/helix or even VScode which tells a lot, and apart from the debugger I really don't understand what's good with them.

​​@@pierreollivier1if you were to forget for a second that the intellij platform is slow as frozen molasses, it's a pretty decent experience actually. Of course, it can be pretty damn difficult after you experience the snappiness of nvim or even vs code

@@warpspeedscp I mean surely it's probably not that bad, but I just don't understand the workflow, because I'm constantly switching tabs, moving from file to file, greping left and right, It did actually bothered me a lot that the syntax highlighting wasn't instant despite running a very good computer, on top of that a very simple project in C (about 10k lines) took like about 10/20 second to fully load, this to me was insane, everything is instantaneous in the terminal, and with support for lsp, you basically have the same kind of functionalities that an IDE can provide without all the bloat. But in the end it probably is just personal taste

Buy a computer with more RAM.

exactly as @biomorphic said. it's cheap and much easier fix to just get more RAM if you value your time

@@xybersurfer I am in college and don't have money for a new computer. My notebook is with the maximum amount of RAM It can have (20gb I know it would be faster in dual channel, but I was stupid and bought a notebook with soldered 4gb of RAM). I frequently run code that uses up to 14gb of RAM by itself. Can you see how this starts to be a problem when the IDE is also RAM expansive? I literally can't trow more RAM at the problem. Maybe when I leave college and get hired, but will only leave in the end of 2024. I could use a lighter desktop environment like a tilling window manager, but the learning curve is step and I really don't want to atm.

​@@vidal9747i feel your pain, I hope ypu can ditch that resource hog ide (which i am beholden to due to familiarity and laziness)

In this case I agree, you should use vim or notepad++ or whatever and compile and debug from the command line, this way you learn the fundamentals well, it works because you have time. It wouldn't be acceptable to do this professionally though.

man, is it really good? tried neovim for like an hour and hate it so much. I'm also a Java dev and intellij has been my daily driver for years now and there are so many tools integrated with intellij (sonar, docker, the whole spring boot config, tests config, gitlab config) that took quite a long time to get right. Going trough all of that again on top of neovim seems like a huge amount of work for something I don't see that will return that much value. But hey just my opinion, I'm really willing to hear people from a java dev perspective on this subject

@@LuisM_Santana it's really not, hence why i keep going back to intellij :)

But how far do you have to move your hand to actually use those? On vim it's "I" and "A".

@@gianlucaspitzer5165 not far enough to make a difference.

@@gianlucaspitzer5165 takes the same amount of time to quickly move the hand as it does to raise a finger

@@gianlucaspitzer5165 not far enough to matter

@@gianlucaspitzer5165 If you think the bottleneck to your productivity is your pinky reaching past the enter key, you're either writing trivial shit, or you're living in a fantasy world. Nobody says "enter is too far", it's what, 2" past that? Maybe? Once you know where it is you can do it blind.

Prime also uses tmux. When he said sessionizer, that’s what he’s talking about. He doesn’t use a terminal in vim. I agree that it’s clunky. I don’t tend to use the terminal in vim too often, whether in another tab or a split.

I use spectre plugin in nvim or just a plain telescope search, send to qflist and apply a macro to replace

Grep then cfdo on the resulting quickfix list

You need to learn ed... (Unix line editor, precursor to vi).😊

There is - language servers, on my setup in the video I use only two plugins, both are related to language servers :)

It **is** just a flex, even if the video says its not.

excuses, just start using vim and then you will never look back (jk, you do you, not everyone is suited for vim)

Just curious, what do you want to customize that you can’t customize in vim?

@@pencilcheck I like vim motions, I don't like vim mapping of vim motions. I really tried hard searching for a way to fully map the keybindings from scratch, and the only answer that came up is that I need to modify the vim source code... I looked for plugins, none as well.

​@@0oShwavyo0 Feels like I am getting banned from replying to your comment since I tried to send in the comment an imgur link of my keyboard keymap I want to use, but basically I want to map everything by myself from scratch because I want to have the keybindings for moving around, selecting and editing ther way I like them and feel intuitive. From my understanding you can't do that unless you modify the source code

vim can't detect key-up actions. If you hold shift, hold space, press P, and release space, that is interpreted the same as if you hold shift, press and release space, and press P.

He does have vim guides. Not sure if he has his personal setup/config but you can learn vim basics from him

Only watch out if you've been in PyCharm for a while and then end up in VSCode and reach for ctrl+w to widen your selection... 🙈🤣