Very kind of you to share that.

Peak!

@@CamNicholls I’m having trouble with my Left ankle falling in striking the crank arm. Don’t know if it’s the Shimano pedals I currently have trying to figure it out.

​@@tony5269Adjusting the left cleat to move the left heel out slightly to compensate is a good starting point . I have seen this with a client of my bicycle repair business . Changing Q - Factor between the pedals is a bit more involved . Really needs to be assessed in person to avoid unwanted side - effects .

@@robertmcfadyen9156 thanks I appreciate the comment 🙂

As if 5 year olds know anything about pedals :)

Yeah, after 25 years on various iterations of Looks, I switched to Shimano because I got sick of how quickly Looks develop play in the bearings (seemingly almost as soon as they are ridden).

Atac are bulletproof. Have the old Lego Duplo style ones on 5 bikes😊😊😊

I have been thinking of making trip to get a fit, living in lower Victoria it is a big committment for a bike fit. Have hip FAI and lower back is nasty.

The Assioma Shimano pedals where you actually swap the spindles result in a significantly wider Q factor than the normal Assiomas (65mm). Might want to try that!

@@DavidStacey-tx7onwhere is Neil located?

@@regnismada4936 Sunshine Coast QLD

Then Shimano licensed them and made a much better version. I started with Looks in 1984 by the way.

When I got my Assioma pedals I didn't switch cleats which were Look, and while I've heard the same thing you're saying from others as well, I find them to work great and find them very easy to clip in.

That's awesome to hear Harish. Thanks for sharing. I am sure you would feel generally better on the bike too.

Same for me, got me some new Lake shoes (entry level on sale but very nice) with the FORM mtb shim. My legs feel like pistons!

Thanks for sharing on the thread Greg, and interesting points. I use the cleat with float too. While my position is a lot better than it once was, I still like some movement!

I have two pairs of Assioma pedals and, I agree, they are excellent. I use the grey (4.5 float) Look Keo cleats. I tried the black Look (0 float) cleats and the Xpedo cleats, but didn't like them.

Interesting to hear that, thanks for sharing on the thread.

Thanks for sharing that on the thread Andrew. I've a got mate who's onto is third pair of Garmin power pedals. To be fair, Garmin have replaced the pedals with issues, but there's something not right there. Cheers

Thanks for sharing on the thread mate. I am yet to hear anyone say something negative about Assioma. Even their tech support has proven to be a winner, when and if required. Cheers

Same with me, I have both Shimano and Assioma, I love the Assioma as a power pedal but not the Look style cleat. For some reason getting into the Look style cleat is a pain for me.

I used Shimano Ultegra pedals for a while, then Look Keo blades and was perfectly happy with both. I then switched to Garmin Vector pedals, and had them both with Keo style and Shimano bodies. For Garmin vector pedals, where both the Keo and Shimano options have the same stack height and Q factor, I must say I prefer the Shimano cleats - less creaking sounds, more stable while walking, less slippery and more durable. However, for the Favero Assioma pedals where the Shimano option adds so much Q factor, Shimano cleats are not worth it and I would stay with the Keo. In summary, all being the same I prefer the Shimano cleats for the reasons I mentioned, but the difference is quite small so they are not worth compromising in the bike fitting.

Do you happen to know what the stack height for the ultegra pedals and the spd sl cleats are? The values i find online vary tremendously from each other

I've been using Look Delta, with Black Fixed cleats since 1988.

@@billkallas1762 to me they aren’t much different to keo

Same! I love the q factor of the duo shi

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Nice tip, thanks for on the thread Will.

Can't be worse than Time, which last 300-500km.

Thanks for sharing James. Curious what you mean by release on climbs? Do you mean unclip?

@@CamNicholls Yes, it's difficult to unclip or clip out for me on climbs.

It seems to me everyone is getting the same numbers... 53/47

Interesting to hear that feedback. Haven't heard that or felt that. I don't produce much at the upper end though!

The amount of float is different between these two companies: 4.5° & 9° for Look Keo and 2° & 6° for Shimano SPD-SL Shimano SPD-SL cleats float differently in terms of the rotation point. The yellow cleats (6°) rotate in the centre whereas the blue cleats (2°) pivot on the front.

I’m in the same exact boat, mate.

Also I just switched to Keo/LOOK set up

@@taylorbruch4703 since this comment I replaced the bike with a larger frame that fit me better, made some other changes and saw a physio. This sorted my knee issue that I was having at the time and I've got no other problems for now.

haha big rodents.

Interesting to hear, thanks for sharing on the thread.

@@CamNicholls - Following up on this comment. My F20C Carbon rail saddle failed over the past month, bought new from Competitive Cyclist in Feb 23. So I have about 3000 miles on it. The middle of the saddle (right side central section) collapses during rides, ending up 2 cm lower than the left side mid-section. I sit on the rear of the saddle, so most of my weight is properly supported. So either my saddle is defective or it was a fake (?). My F20C steel railed saddle is better, but also shows indications of beginning to sag. However, due to this experience I can no longer recommend SMP for any purchases. First, I wrote a review of the saddle a few weeks ago in the SMP website. I rated it 3 stars for Quality, when the review posted the Quality star rating was 5 stars - obviously edited by SMP. Secondly, I contacted SMP via their email "contact us" page, with a description of the problem and pictures. So far after 10 days, no response. And after checking their website, there is no "return/complaint procedure" linked anywhere. I will be sending the defective saddle back to SMP (at my own cost), to the attention of their quality/design lead for their own education about the the issue. My own theory is that the saddle body is not rigid or strong enough to support the weight of a rider (I'm 80kgs). I believe this is design defect of the F series which no longer has the curved body, and instead has a flat body which was designed to deflect slightly under rider load, then regain its shape. I found it to deflect to much and take several hours to return to nearly its original shape. Live and learn.

I reckon the float is better on Look, but marginally. So if I was you, I'd be thinking the same way...

the look gray is 4.5 float and shimano yellow is 6, but probably similar enough

They're still Neill's pick of the bunch. He loves the Speedplays.

haha, haven't heard of cleat condoms, but there's an idea for you. Definitely, replacing the cleats is recommend. It depends on how much you ride/wear them, of course, but I tend to change my cleats every six months. And I ride circa 8-10hrs per week. Cheers

Get cleat covers if you want, but replacing the cleats once a year is normal, the yellow parts never last long. Think there could be a market for alloy SPDSL/Keo cleats. SPD's or flat pedals are best if walking a lot.

@@draugmithrin Alloy cleats will wear the pedals. Years ago, Time shoes had alloy cleats. They later switched to a composite plastics or fiberglass cleat. Cleats are cheaper to replace than pedals!

Depends on distance and how much you walk on them but annual renew is best. Look made cafe cleats which slip on/off (rubber covers) not sure if they still make them.

​@@simonalexandercritchley439I think they still do. I have a pair of Shimano SPD-SL cleat covers in case there are rides where I need to walk over smooth surfaces or walk more than expected.

I heard from my ex-colleague that Shimano SPD-SL pedals are more resilient against crashes too.

Looks like a Polygon Helios A.

The cost of Neill's fit stays the same whether you need shims or not. I know that for a fact. Could be different for other providers though .

100%. All I meant was that the value is in the expertise and knowledge; the shim is a rounding error. Like at work a stack of papers come with a paperclip.

Oh yes, I had cleat squeak too when I was still on Look Keo. I switched to Shimano SPD-SL for pedal serviceability, less cleat float and because I like Shimano components overall 😅.

@@yonglingng5640 Exactly! That’s what I’m say8ng. I used Look pedals for years! It’s always the same with Look whether it’s the old Look Delta clears or Look Keo cleats. Once they start wearing down even a little bit , it’s squeaky creaky hell. You can put water, oil, grease, or butter on the cleat pedal interface, but that only helps temporarily. I hate that squeak. Shimano pedals don’t make that noise.

The main issue with the chiropractor for many folks would be if it is an inherent length problem. Within a few days my hips will find their natural state. A few mm doesn't equate on either side, may not matter. If there is a discomfort area, the problem can be located somewhere else. Been riding for well over 55 years. Bike fits are good, learn the art oneself to find comfort. If there is underlying discomfort, yes the bike and you may need help but more than likely it will be one's skeletal muscle tone or other underlying inadequacies that may be hampering comfort. The fit would ascertain any relevant problems with geometry, after which one could see if those physical conditions continue. I would conclude though, this is only relevant to those who may ride a high amount of miles and are generally in fairly good physical condition. Great content.