Yeah! Pop is pretty interesting in all of this, it was kind of like alcohol free where it took a couple of weeks for it to see success on the charts. Pop has some vintage style to it, specifically the brass instrumental at the beginning and the guitar throughout, but it’s a lot less subtle than their other more recent songs

I know 😭 I love set me free and the whole album

Too American, yikes

@@biomuseum6645 american R&B/pop CREATED kpop, you koreans stole our R&B/pop and called it kpop, you fucking hypocrite

I just genuinely dislike how retro it was. Set Me Free is probably just my least favorite song besides Fancy. I generally dislike retro songs period.

I agree 😭 it’s kind of the most representative kpop song of all time

@choujimi and the way everyone went from hating on it to saying how underrated it is now😭. Just wait their gonna do the same with One Spark

I totally agreed❤

I think they still have the potential to peak again in terms of songs, it just comes down to the style of music. Similar to what happened with Red Velvet, where they hit it big again with the Queendom and Feel My Rhythm releases, but then Birthday wasn’t well-received at all I love Set Me Free, but I think people are just growing tired of the retro music. 2021 was kind of the last period of the retro style being well-received, especially after the disco-craze that happened in 2020. I feel like TWICE’s retro sound is slowly becoming the next “cute concept issue” for them, and what people are complaining about is essentially them staying in the 80’s influence for the majority of their releases. I think another change up in their image and style will garner a lot of attention, but in the end you’re absolutely right, they really have nothing left to prove and deserve to do whatever they want as a group I definitely agree with your points about oversaturation. I think TWICE’s consistent releases gained them a huge following, and it’s confusing why people think it drives fans away. The hiatus we’re in right now since Set Me Free is shaping out to be the longest they’ve ever had in their career, so I think it’ll be interesting to see what their next Korean comeback will look like after almost a year of being away And yeah, the idol discussion is a complicated one, and I don’t think I have a concrete answer for it haha - I think it’s generally a mix of being a celebrity, performer, and an idol. ‘Idol’ being different from celebrity in the sense that there’s an expectation for them to set a good example and maintain their image, and be someone that the general public can idolize

@@choujimi yeah I do think they can peak again, I just don't think they need to at this point. Not saying they shouldn't though. Haha. I'd love to see em get the hype that they were getting years ago. But then again, they don't need to prove anything at this point. I LOVED EVERY SINGLE comeback they had. Esp Talk That Talk and Set Me Free. It Kinda sounded new to me since every other song from other groups sounds the same to me. Or idk if it's just because I'm biased lol. But they definitely sound different from others. I do agree they gotta change it soon though coz they've been doing the same concept too much now I think. About the idol discussion, well, I suppose you're right. Coming from JPop initially, it's just weird that it's like this in KPop. JPop was about performances, not about looks. But different cultures must have different preferences I guess. It just kinda bothered me for years. Lol.

You hit the nail on the hammer sis. I don’t get all the over-analysing. They simply peaked, as you rightfully pointed out, and they have been at the top of the game for a very long time now. No one stays at the top forever ! Let’s normalise that please.

they got tired of twice, red velvet, and they moved on to newjeans and le serraffim,

Yeah I agree with you! In the end I’m so happy they’ve branched out and do what they want to do, so we get songs like cry for me and alcohol-free. Maybe it’s not what’s popular in Korea, but it certainly gains them a bigger audience globally!

@@choujimi exactly my point!! an example of the girls branching out is definitely writing their own songs because i noticed songs like basics (written by chaeyoung), love countdown (written by nayeon & i think wonstein just wrote his verses), up no more (co-written by jihyo), etc. all received so much love and blew up internationally!! honestly, knetz are missing out. so, i’m glad the girls still receive lots of love globally!!

Yeah! Talk that talk definitely did well, kind of in likeness to Alcohol-Free, but the advent of the other girl group releases in August I guess made it fly under the radar for a lot of people

Their sound is just too bubblegum pop for the times rn

Same!! ICSM is one of my all-time favorite title tracks

@@choujimii thought more of what you said... if i look at the newer and successful groups they dont have the cutesy concept unlike twice. is it cringe in korea? if the answer is yes, its gonna be hard for them to get new fans in SKorea cause their sound isn't like blackpinks (which is really popular -- and non-cutesy) and what worked for them before wont work now that they're older. the only way is to stay this course of older concept which i dont mind. it weeds out those unloyal fans and brings in people who prefer the mature concept. as for me, the lesser the crowd, the more i can get closer in concerts. lol. i do believe their new sound will bring in more people globally

​@@jaithber007I'm not sure you're right on, well, any of this? Cutesy has always performed well in Asia, it is definitely still done, if anything girlcrush is on the decline and slowly being weeded out. BP is far more of a global phenomenon than a Korean phenomenon. This is especially true if you look at Japanese releases. Itzy's girlcrush releases in Japan do very poorly, whereas Celebrate by Twice (overtly cutesy) is possibly the largest Japanese release by a Kpop group to date.

Yeah definitely! I know a lot of people complain about their shift in style, but it’s only inevitable for twice as artists to want to explore new territories after establishing themselves. And like you said, I’m sure the change in sound is definitely the main thing that earned twice a lot more fans who wouldn’t have listened to their music otherwise

i as a fanboy think that fancy was the best

I see this to an extent, but I imagine if this was a huge contributing factor, TWICE probably would've lost steam as early as 2017-2018, where they were releasing 6-7 projects a year. They slowed down in 2019, all the way to where we are right now, which seems to be only 1 Korean comeback a year The oversaturation of content for fans is a good point, though. It probably seems too overwhelming for any new fans to get on board with the amount of variety content they have produced over the years

i wish every group could have that problem of having so much content 😅

its just not though, twices releases have only slowed down as their chart performance has stagnated.

there’s a lot of rnb twice bsides. Twice has explored so many genres but y’all listen to title tracks and that’s it

If u like rewind please listen to say something, twice have explored many genres, esp in their bsides

@@lizzyzliz i really liked say something. it sounds like city pop and yukika's music :)

@@hagpill yeah, I really love yukikas music!!

2015-2019 good music; music on repeat 2020 - 2023 bad music; listen to it once

This is just your opinion. If you look at their sales you can't say they have bad music. No one buy bad music. And we can see millions of peoples buying their albums. So the problem is not the music.

@@silvetudose1698 no one buys bad music? Of course people buy bad music, most of western music and artist are trash and a lot of trash films are making billions. I’ll link a video of a trash concert people PAID for down below. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/e5x0im2Oha6rsnU.htmlsi=CaucWtiUicRQzvzl Also, Twice’s music has gone down hill. 2020 & alcohol free was mid tier at best and The Feels was some of the worst music that they’ve released, but moonlight sunrise managed to be worse. Set me free was terrible and the solos were awful. This is why Twice 2015-2019 prime and they should end it. The members are still mostly likable but the fan base, and any kpop fan bases, are bad. The fan bases keep gassing up the artist when they release bad music, but eventually after so many duds, people stop listening.

Jihyo best solost in history? Based on what? :))

I didn't say best soloist in history. You put in my mouth words that I didn't say, and it's not fair from you. And I didn't speak about jihyo, but about twice in general. If you want to do a research you will find that twice is at this moment the best selling K-pop gg in the world when it comes to numbers of albums sold , and in the history of the K-pop is the second best gg in numbers of albums sold. The first one is 2nd1. My point was that when you have a group that sells so many albums you can't say that their music is bad. No one buy bad music. You can say that you don't like it and I respect your opinion.

I'm curious, and you don't have to say if you want to remain anonymous - are you talking about gfriend? haha I agree with your points about TWICE transitioning kind of abruptly. 2018-2019's transition was gradual, but 2020 did something completely different. I made a video about More & More's sudden departure, why it was so decisive, and how that probably left a bad impression with a lot of kpop fans While I do think we can cleanly blame JYPE for a lot of things, I think it gets kind of muddy as to how far we can go with that - how much of this is JYPE's decision, and how much is it just TWICE wanting to do what they want with a greater sense of creative control? The members have revealed before that they now have a lot more say as to what song will be the title track, and the visuals for the albums. Like you said about Jihyo, TWICE's sudden change to a more mature concept might just be the decision of the members who were seriously tired of the cute concept by the end of 2018 haha

@@choujimi just came back from your other video hehehe, and read all through out the comments as well.. really great job on having a mature community here.. i have never seen the comments section of any kpop related video be this mature and have productive convos ^_^ --- now, the thing is, we can not fault the members for aging and growing up. its a human thing to change. no one could escape growing old. it is what it is. personally, most of the things you said on your more and more video did not hit me as much as other onces that time while it was happening. for one, i was growing old with them at that point. and though i said that they are starting to not sound like my twice after the year of yes, i did understand what, why and where they are going. imo, they were supposed to have a few more comebacks with the "chick" concept instead of the sudden jump of more and more. in my eyes, the "sudden" change was triggered by the incident before feel special, the thing with sana during fancy era. for that statement to make sense, we have to look at jype(the company) and jyp(the man himself). we dont know whats happening inside, but we do know that jype is a business, therefor would do business-y things. people tend to forget that businesses that size has a complex inside politics. (and yes, those are real and not just on kdrama) while jyp, is the man that most of jype artists look up to. even former jype artists straight up defend the man. so yes, there are three parties on the conversation, including twice. coming back to twice and about your point about the members 1 - legally, the period they started to be vocal about their stance is while jype-twice are having their talks for the contract renewal. 2 - that said, it was pretty obvious that they were getting most of what they want even before that, as long as they dont break the, at that time, still existing contract. i can not, even for a minute imagine that jyp did not try to protect sana when the fancy thing happened. after that was mina, and we all know that mina is jyp's fave member even before seventeen. then jihyo with kang daniel, momo with heechul etc its as if they needed to "fast forward" the transition from aegyo concept to mature concept so they could land their feet on their ground and make a stand that the members are now ladies that could stand on their own. jype does not have a solid rebutal to not let them. twice was, and still is, the biggest girl group of jype, and they are technically not breaking any clauses on their initial contract, plus jyp himself backing them up so yes, imo, the members do have a lot of voting power, but that is still under the assumption that jype the company would agree to it. but no, the problem of not thinking ahead is still under jype. again, people do change as we grow old. we are humans. on that, who ever thought that doing aegyo concept would last forever? 1 - if not, then "the transition as they age" should have existed year 1 or at the most late, year 3. unless, they never expected twice to grow that big (wonder girls, missA arguably did not outgrew their initial concepts) 2 - as powerful twice's voting power is regardless of before or after the re-signing, at the end of the day they are just artists on a company. people are severely overestimating artists position in terms of business decisions. itzy has the same problem of outgrowing their initial concept and is now facing a dillema. difference is, they do not have the same voting power as twice. if twices problem was not on jype's management side, then why is itzy suffering the same exact problem? nmixx on the other hand is a very interesting topic. i strongly believe that the "change up" concept was a bold gamble on a voting like mechanism that jype+jyp could only pull off. in that way, not only nmixx outgrew their initial concept, they are meant to out grow it on the first place. also, i am under the impression that one of the new agreement on twice's new contract is that they would not be releasing too much comeback for the sake of "competition" anymore. that they are trying to pass the torch already to their younger sister groups. that they are prefering to spend time with onces, therefor more concerts and such. that they are more free to diversify themeselves wherever they want as long as it would not break the "9 or none" mantra. one thing i could call unfortunate though is that, the members started their solo/unit endeavors pretty late, mainly because of the mantra that made them strong on the first place.. its no ones fault, but its unfortunate i ofcourse am i just stating my observations. by no means am i saying that i am correct or not correct. if anything all of them might be wrong and i have no intention of defending them :p what i do believe in the end is that, given the reigns, the members are shining more imo. maybe not on sales or charts or whatever, but, we are seeing more of their own personal beings and individuality. and i would take that anytime over some marketing plot. now about the other group... how bout make video about groups succesfully transitioning on different concepts? ^_^ (i know this one is messy and all over the place, would try to edit later or something ^_^)

I think KSPO is a little unique, since the concert date came less than a month after they ended promotions for Set Me Free, and konces were upset that twice had focused most of their promotions in the US. It became such a point of controversy that some of the members ended up apologizing over it. With that working against them, as well as Set Me Free performing so poorly on the charts, I can see why they struggled to pull numbers

@@choujimi It's not like either of Twice's English singles did well in the States, either. They reached 86th and 84th place on the Billboard Hot 100 and were both gone the following week. Not exactly setting the world on fire. New Jeans' Korean releases were charting higher and longer.

@@riffgroove We weren’t talking about international performance, but okay- With your great example about concert venues, Twice became the first girl group to sell out NFL stadiums in the US, like sofi and metlife, for two consecutive tours. They also ended up adding two more encore performances at the California stadium venue, both of which sold out again

@choujimi That's not really much to brag about when those stadiums happen to be in the most densely-populated cities in the country. Especially a coastal city like California where there is such a huge Asian population. Brag about selling out an arena in Peducah, Kentucky and I'll be impressed.

@@riffgroove I’m trying so hard to understand your logic… you brought up the KSPO dome venue, which is in one of the most densely-populated cities in the WORLD. That was your “great” example, yet it doesn’t apply anywhere else? 😭 I genuinely appreciate seeing your comments, though the hypocrisy in your fixation on twice is so intriguing to me. I guess I want to ask this: what do you want me to take away from all of this? The arguments, minimizing their accomplishments, and the statistics about them that you bring up?

Wait I just realized it’s both lol

@@bbi2.052 Haha yeah! I think it's technically listed as both of them

All BTS members songs performed very well on Korean charts however Jungkook performed the best because it had the American pop sound that South Korea loves. A lot of people say it’s similar to Charlie Puth who Jungkook looks up to and who is very popular in South Korea. I do think singing can be a factor but singing live has nothing to do with a song’s performance on charts

Jm did well too with like crazy Idk what you’re talking about It's just that you did extremely well

@@cobblerpudding6292 Why are lying? Apart from Seven none other BTS soloist song entered top 5 or even top 10 on any Korean chart.Also none of them can live and Korean knows that very well.

@@csam9993 He couldn’t entered top 10 on any Korean daily chart so i don’t think which chart you were talking about?

​@anintrovert5302 all of them were charting and it's good for male soloist bcz korean hardly listen to boy group,

I guess you didn’t watch the video 😭

Not as popular as they used to be though

People love to doom post about Twice when they’ve literally filled stadiums and reached 1B streams this year

We used to get 100m in m/v less than a month, time flies :