ONE YEAR LATER: My kernel is better than yours!

@Apjal Guruji found the snowflake

His life be like: cat /etc/shadow | grep “wife” >> /dev/null && sync

@@MaghrebProductions Wow how many people can understand that great joke... hehe I like it.

@@MaghrebProductions I got most of it. But why is his wife in the password file and why sync the dumpster aka /dev/null

Then I need some tips from his kids, because later distributions always want to murder my windows Partition. Installer: Do you want to use the whole disk? Me: NOoooo! Not that disk! I have a disk over here. See? Nice Linux partitions. Installer: Thank you for your input. Installer: Now destroying Windows.

@@emmettbrown6418 🤣🤣🤣

@@emmettbrown6418 Yeah yesterday only I fcked it up with Ubuntu 😑😑 Now cleared the whole disk

Definitely, they just want to play games..

@@emmettbrown6418 You might want to not just look at the partition that's used but also where the boot manager is being put (obviously no bueno if the native Windows one gets overridden, hence why these installers typically ask where you want to put it) I've seen some distros actually take that into account in their installation routine by detecting previously installed systems and giving you options to keep these alive

Dex4Sure Doesn’t matter. Writing a Kernel IS A HUGE THING. It’s not something you easily do even if you’re a programmer. Even companies like Apple gave up on their own Kernel.

They didn’t give up. They just felt it was pointless to reinvent the wheel when BSD did the job.

Dex4Sure What about Alpine Linux? :P

@Dex4Sure you talk to much, the guy is the one who invented Linux and till now Linux foundation still paying him to maintain the kernel. Even Apple, Microsoft, Google, ibm, Oracle still paying him through Linux foundation and to maintain their Linux kernel machine. If he wants to make his own os he can, but what for?

@Dex4Sure you talk to much ukposts.info/have/v-deo/aaKfdWyup3xh0Gg.html He had many teams under him, if he want he can, do you think people's in Debian is smarter than him?

@Brad Allen Unix is being phased out in many places

@Brad Allen you sure about that bud? Microsoft Azure runs a third of their servers with Linux based OS. So in conjunction with the countless thousands of servers that run Linux and Unix based OS, I’d say you’re probably wrong. Where are you getting you’re info?

@Brad Allen mac os server? are you intoxicated?

@Brad Allen seems legit

How does Linix keep the internet running? Give me sources.

WolfireGaming That should be, "Create Linux Kernel", "Cant install some Linux distributions"

OpenBSD is far more secure than Debian, and actually easier to install. OpenBSD only gives a default install, allowing the user to determine what gets installed whereas Debian installs everything including the kitchen sink. Thus, there's more security issues to be addressed.

his time is expensive anyway.. so the hurdles are not worth it..

@ Stan. I had a good laugh :D Not only for the comment but for providing it as an option for Linus Torvalds

He created the Linux kernel, and that's it, just the kernel. The operating system, C compiler, BASH, etc, were created by Gnu. It should really be called Gnu or Gnu / Linux since that's the OS that "Linux" uses, but the name "Linux" stuck and now everybody just calls it Linux even though the kernel is just a small part of the operating system.

yep. My eyes bleed every time I see my programmers friends use their computers.

I think he's being humble (for once). Linus also wrote Git, which means he also knows a great deal about distributed development and distributed systems in general. On the linux side, he did a great deal to make Linux usable, not just write the kernel. That said the distributions took what he did and ran with it. It's fair that he doesn't know a great deal about them. I'd still say he's very technical though.

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@@channelname8775 are u on arch now? I'm on PopOS

@Clinton Reisig Linux distros nowadays are easy to install. I even find windows more difficult to setup because of 1000 questions about security, my personal data usage and whatever else they come up with

Gentoo: Hold my beer.

LFS: Hold my water, hops, yeast and barley.

Gentoo: "Hold my problem"

101 reasons I fell in love with Fedora Xfce

People who have a life:

Linus Torvalds = An asshole who made a kernel that's it.

i downloaded debian onto my laptop, thought it was going to die but realistically it was pretty easy o_O

If a distro is hard to install - it means it's creators are lazy, or incompetent, or didn't have enough resources. Neither of that is something to be proud of, and neither of that is the reason to install that distribution. The whole point of a distro is to make user's life easier. Otherwise you can just download everything from individual sites of the authors and build everything yourself.

@@RachidWasTaken well, that's certainly progress. Now, where do I click to make my Arch install an LTS distribution?

@@m3109c1t0 An asshole who made a kernel and git and "that's it"? People rarely succeed in doing just one of the 2 things the guy contributed in the world and you're trying to sell it as a nothing.

The OS of God

F Terry.

The 2mb distribution specifically

RIP Terry

sarcasm alert

Preach! I blame movies/TV for making every programmer also a hacker.

Cuttlefish N.W. I wish I could like your comment more then once

@john doe FFS, you troll, why don't you just crawl back under the rock you crawled out from. Nobody here is interested in your trolling.

Ah, I see you know how to change your car tyres. Could you maybe look at my cracked piston?

@@cr-yi7ep what did they say?

Yep. And especially designing an engine (=kernel) is not the same as building a whole car (=distro).

@@ClemensKatzer thats a nice metaphor to understand the difference between the two

Yeah, the best engineer who create the best car is probably an average pilot. That's true for almost everything. Even g.od who created life on earth did not survive very long when He came on earth. Died miserably at the approximate age of 33?

Terry Davis is smarter

He's just managing his time. To go with Clemens' comparison: when the engine constructors assemble cars all of the time, WHEN should they construct the engines? Nobodys time is unlimited. What I hate the most about this "can you fix my computer" situations is the "for me it's so difficult, but for you it will only take five minutes" mindset.

Oh you have no idea XD

The reason you would look at this video is that you might think Linus Torvalds is going to say something material about Debian and Ubuntu, which does not happen. All he says is he just picked one distro to stick to to make life simple for himself, not saying that this deliberately unnamed distro is better or worse than any other distro. He only tried Debian once long ago (before 2007), and had some difficulty installing, which he only means to show why he sticks with only one distro, and how rotten he is at figuring out variant distros. Besides, it isn't interesting to him to try out different distros. He doesn't say that he didn't muddle through, like a lot of us, and get Debian installed. I am going to guess getting Debian running was not what he meant, but installing a more recent version of a program than the ten years out-of-date, but purportedly stable, one in the repo, which on account of dependencies can involve determining, searching for, and hand installing many dozens of other packages.

Thanks for your response. I take note of what you say, but if it is as you say then why title the video "Why LT Doesn't Use Ubuntu.."? It has little/nothing to do with Ubuntu *as such*, does it? LT's 'problem' is more to do with his not enjoying installing an OS. By this token, the video could've been titled " Why LT Doesn't Use Open SuSe/Mageia/Kali/Arch Linux etc...". There's no obvious link between the video's title *and* what Torvalds actually says in the footage. Clearly, the video's title is there to deceitfully draw one's attention. Hence my issue with this in the first instance.

Yes they title things this way to get views, or to get people riled up, and I was annoyed at being conned, not unusual on youtube. I think they put Ubuntu in the title because it is the most well known and widely liked distro, so it would get the most hits, and stir up the most people. Throwing a bone to the truth, they put Debian in the title, on which Ubuntu is based. A lot of commenters took the bait and started arguing about distros, using Torvalds to supposedly prove something. Torvalds, actually, is just as definite about the things he doesn't care about as the things he does, and here he doesn't care about linux distros, what so many hard core people get worked up about. IAC, Ubuntu is not just Debian with different wallpaper. True, the workings underneath are some some derived version of Debian's substrate, partly because Ubuntu sends back its development work to Debian to use if it pleases, but Ubuntu has poured loads of time and money into smoothing the difficulties of using linux, and Debian does not adopt it all, because it has its own goals. If you have trouble on Debian, it doesn't mean you will have the same thing on Ubuntu, and the reverse. That being the case, even if Torvalds ripped Debian, which he did not, that was Debian of 7 years ago, when Ubuntu had not yet done the huge amount that it has. If you have used current Ubuntu, and straight Debian stable from 7 years ago, you can tell the difference, believe me.

Ubuntu is a Debian based distribution of Linux, you should know about the three main Linux families

ubuntu IS debian... so he doesn't have to mention it

This is wisdom. With age I'm understanding more and more the true meaning of your statement

You can't let a system sit. It has to be updated. At some point the hardware won't support the hardware which is rather late with debian...

It is that you can change many times also make it perfect 99/100. But there are a lot of other things to look out. So yeah this quote isn't good for development. But, it's like "If it ain't broken, Don't fix it". But it's very useful to find and spend time on other new things than just repeating over old stuff which won't give you much result for lot of time

We are stuck with windows because of this crap

@championchap distro hopping exist because of this.

Yeah, I used to mess with Linux distros a decade ago as a college kid then I got a job and my spare time was used for gaming so I stuck to Windows. Now I have no job and wanted to try running multiple distros in my laptop. I got about 5 in a multiboot USB. Start with Garuda, then Linux Mint. And it's a week later and I'm just happy with being stable and not chasing and analysing every distros. Life's too valuable.

@@maskednil Honestly Garuda is not worth it in my Opinion. NO offence to the def teams but it looks like some script kiddies threw some RGB LEDS at Linux... And there is no too big Difference between the Debian based Distros like Ubuntu, Linux Mint and there of - so the only things I would try are Debian based distros and Arch-based distros. Theres also Red-Hat based distros - but they are for professional use, therefore not in the Mix. (EDIT: meaning try only one of the different kinds: so try one debian based, one arch based ect) For Arch-based Distros there are some pitfalls too: My geeky internet friends told me for example that Manjaro uses it's own packages and therefore introduces new bugs ontop of shipping the packages later... In my Experience: Gaming on Ubuntu worked just fine.

Honestly the choice of Desktop-Environment feels bigger to me, than the choice between e.g. Linux mint and Ubuntu. For Arch-based I got reccommended EndeavorOS and will try that next. Or maybe if I feel super geeky I will install Arch the "usual" way over the console (for braggin rights haha)

And the only big difference between Arch and Debian based distros is: Arch uses rolling-releases, meaning it will always have the newest features, but updates are more likely to break something. For me personally I had never had an update break something for my Ubuntu in the three years or so Ive been using it for Gaming and productive work.

As an Admin, I use whatever is the most consistent. I have too much to do to "fiddle" with why this OS doesn't run this software. I use Windows for everything I can and Ubuntu LTS releases for anything else.

Richard Smith but he is responsible for the alternative OS system those are his children and grandchildren many times over thank you Linus

Linus wrote only the core kernel. Still required extensive use of command line (bash) and didn't have a very well designed GUI for your average entry level Linux user.

And this is exactly why people over at GNU want to call it GNU/Linux and not Linux. (Which I honestly find stupid). Linux is not the "operating system" in the old fashioned sense of the word (1990-2000), where it meant all programs that come with it as well. Just a kernel. As such a system that uses GNU programs on base of the Linux kernel should be called GNU/Linux.

@@Littlefighter1911 I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

@@Synthwave89 why not call it GiNUx

He definitely had something against Debian. And then hasn't retried it since.

maybe it is?

It's a confusion mark

It's called clickbait!

The guy asking the question was wearing an Ubuntu shirt, I guess that was enough to put it in the title.

Because he don't. The title is fake...

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"Humble." I... are we talking about the same guy? He's like... famously unhumble.

Not humble

his punchline failed

The same smile a got before Bill cosby put a roofy in my Pepsi

The liberty is both nice and infuriating. Fragmentation is the infuriating part.

Linux makes some really good operating systems. The problem is support. They have the worst support I have ever seen in my life. It's like these people simply do not understand human beings.

Also you can blame the misspelling on my phone phones are worse at spelling then Linux is at support

In fact I was going to add that it's kind of ironic what he's saying given that he seems to be at a Debian conference...

They probably asked, or paid for him to be there. Not that he's there because he gives a rat's ass about debian

Git isn't hard at all...

I don't think he meant Debian is hard to install by nature. I think he meant that it failed on his machine(s) so he quickly gave up on it. I've had that happen from time to time with everything I've installed including Windows.

yea, some machine are just bad apple

He is being sarcastic u moron kid.

How is the git CLI hard to use? Seriously.

my definition of maintaining is "reinstall" :D

Thanks mate, that really helped me out. 👍

so you are not a developer and you see a bigger picture ... than THE developer? ok. its like saying nurse sees a "bigger picture" than doctor.

it's because the audience is a bunch of nerds xD

I'd probably laugh too if Linus farted or coughed.

yeah... it's pretty sad... especially considering that he is an asshole... well. world is full of kiss-asses

yeah crowd sux

@@inemanja in the full video from this conference, there have been miltiple people who called him out for his behaviour. He just doesn't care... Unfortunately, a great person does not necessarily mean a good person.

olivia-J Trans ii

@@ryukblack3501Not funny, Didn't laugh.

Ur pretty

@@totalbrainfail1812 thats cause tramps aren't funny

@@ryukblack3501 there isn't such a thing. it's "Trans"

Gentoo got to me. Now I track Mint and Neon.

I'm using Arch now, but I think I'm getting to that stage where I just want my computer to just work without having to configure something I don't understand, but that I am copying from a wiki. Although I think that Arch is a very good linux distribution for those who want to start familiarizing themselves with the terminal and the system configuration.

@@arian_xyz I'm at that fabulous point where I have arch set up basically exactly how I like it. My only fear is having to reinstall the OS for some reason though, which would be a real PITA.

@@traveller23e *Laughs in NixOS*

Filtered

What DE, could I ask?

same here with Kde Neon and Kubuntu altough Neon is the most stable of all 2

@@ShiroCh_ID how do I get into linux as a windows user? I find it difficult to download apps from the internet as it's not the usual way as downloading an exe/zip and saving it in a folder.

@@scaramouche768 The best way to get into Linux is grab virtual box and download some ISO of a linux distribution you find interesting. Some of these have curated app stores like discover on KDE neon or pop store on Pop OS. These will allow you download apps to linux. However its worth noting that many of the software offered on Linux is open source, Gimp, Krita, Libreoffice, VS code, sublime, davince resolve, etc so you will probably not find your regular paid apps like you find on windows or mac, but instead free alternatives. Keep in mind some of the distributions will require you to activate repositories in the terminal command line, and use a get function that will install the intended software. Hope this helps.

I'm using MX Linux very stable.

I'm using Arch because I hate myself.

When did you start using Debian? Did you ever experience the old (early 2000s) installation, what was its name, maybe dselect?

I'm using Mate mate!

"9.95 usb stick". lol. I'm not even sure why exactly you did not bother to state your currency, is it because US is so drowned in marketing BS or you just don't care if the rest of the world exists.

@@Mr.Leeroy i know your comment is 2 years old, but the stupidity you presented in it is timeless

Depends on the hardware. Debian is my go to but it is a pain in the ass to work with on some of most common hardware.

My love for Linux started with trying out lots of distros, and I still love to discover them. There are so many flavours, and most of them are totally free. It's like a free candy-store, you can't just stop at one :)

installing gentoo is fun

@@getgle it is ,if you're a masochist

@@amineabdz Actually it is not that hard to install Gentoo. I would say it requires time, rather than hard, however of course it's really not for beginners. And yes, it's fun to install if you are interested in Linux and OSs. :)

Elbarq Elsa3ek arch takes less than an hour

we waste hours on netflix... we can waste hours on anything we consider fun

I installed a much older Slackware, around 1991, I believe. It's vi editor was named elvis. 8o)

@@byteme6346 The first Slackware release, version 1.00, was distributed on July 17, 1993, at 00:16:36 (UTC). First Linux kernel was released September-October 1991. I don't think that there was any Linux distribution active back then. Elvis is still in Slackware 15.0

Agree.

try OpenBSD installer.

That's right !

Same.

True

I guess that is what he is not, I mean to maintain a kernel you need latest libraries and others

A solid alternative to Debian could be Red Hat.

try install gentoo.

Yeah I made it about 15 minutes in Arch when I tried to install it. Back then they expected you to have a second PC connected to the internet so you could read the installation instructions. I found all of that out after I ran the installer. Luckily I had another install disc lying around for a different distro. Or I'd still be over here scratching my head wondering what I am supposed to do.

I did OK with Gentoo. The trick there is use ssh. Then it is just an annoying console window on your system that works.

good idea, thanks for the tip

Sidney Soares yeah it took me a bit to come up with it. But configuring Gentoo over a SSH connection is the way to fly. I was doing something really offbeat with that install, so the install was quite time consuming. It took days in fact. Because no one knew how to change the version of Python Gentoo uses. The best response I could get out of experts was, Why do you want to do that? But to support the software I wanted to run I needed a different version installed. Gentoo totally relies on Python for system administration too. So it is a difficult switch.

+Eduard Karesli you dont have any problems with debian ? because youre coming from windows background

+trompowsky chess About 4 years ago, I tried Ubuntu. It was my first experience with anything other than Windows. But I didn't really like it. Then I installed Debian and I loved it. The more I used it, the more I loved it. I tried a lot of Distros but always go back to Debian or a Debian based distro. If you just want a rock-stable system that's easy to use out of the box for e-mail, browsing and school/work but don't really need the fancy stuff out of the box than Debian is for you.

NITROLLATOR ive been using ubuntu unity and its good for me except i couldnt find proprietary drivers for my graphics to play games,, but overall linux is too good for me , because you used both distros are there any good things debian has compared to ubuntu?

Ubuntu is based on Debian. Without Debian there was no Ubuntu. They are pretty similar. Debian is somewhat faster and less bloated with stuff you'll probably don't need. But Ubuntu has a better "out of the box" experience. The reason I didn't really like Ubuntu is not because it is bad, not at all. I just thought it had a lot of stuff I didn't need which is heavier on your pc. If I need stuf, I'll download it from the Debian repos. I have just done a Debian netinstall, which means you only get a command line and build up your whole system from there. I now have a fully working system on my old slow netbook that only uses 70mb of ram. It will blow your mind how responsive a 10 year old 1.3Ghz, 1GB DDR2 machine can be if you build up your own Linux with only the stuff you'll need. If you want to learn Linux, the best tip I can give you is to try different distros and read a LOT of tutorials and forums if you have any problems.

My favourite linux distro

когда пишешь английскими словами...

This.

LFS users : lol

@@lunedefroid8817 1]-Puppy linux: you aint seen it all boi! 2]-steam OS: wanna try a kibble? 3]--SLACKWARE -- : bring your eggs: butter: bread: salt: pepper: And Ill whip you out some omelettes from them eggs

"How though are you?" "How though am I?! I installed Debian 10 on a computer this mornin'" "Yeah. So?" "Using deboostrap and a Ubuntu netinstall environment, without any guide" "Right this way, sorry to keep your waiting"

Gentoo users: laughing at arch kiddies

@@getgle Gentoo is so much better though.

That's the only way to use GNOME3. Dash2Dock, Places menu and so on and so forth

He uses mostly Fedora.

The guy who posted a duckduckgo link...lmao

MacOS

He runs Windows 10 so he can game.

Я чуть не пошел на хлебкомбинат работать однажды, мой друг меня об этом же предупреждал. То же было когда в алкогольный магазин пошел устраиваться. Один день там поработал, мне той же ночью бутылки эти снились.

@@PyroNexus22 😁

Linux Mint: Hello 👋

Linux zod.

Fedora I think

lmao nice joke

+Leonidas Prime Linus doesn't install.. He images his systems.. So when he gets a new machine, it's like a drag n drop, kinda.. A very efficient way to maintain your computing life. Basically, he and his personal systems are the dev for the families systems. then he "releases" to them every year.. I would not be surprised if he has a package manager, repo system, etc setup so they only get updates and packages through his repo. They probably even have him package all the software they need. Bet this guy is busy..lol

Blue Balls Matter I see your point, but there are a couple wrinkles. 1. He creates his images with an installer (still considered installing) 2. In the video and linked articles he claims to be non-technical. Basically, that he can code on the kernel, but he doesn't consider himself a competent tech support resource (he barely knows how to run an installer). I get the family part. He does mention family members. It's just that he also mentioned those other things. I think because he wanted to solidify his reasoning to be more about him than the influence of others. Basically, IMHO he didn't want to use family as an excuse in his own defense of the distribution he uses.

Blue Balls Matter I realize in my previous comment that there was some speculation in there. I wanted to let you know this is understood. It's just my opinion (besides anything he quoted in the video and linked articles). I don't want to portray my opinions as fact.

You can download the Windows 10 ISOs directly from Microsoft, no need for torrents and ads

Thanks for advice.. But I have no serial number :( I heard that downloader need serial number before able to fetch & build *.iso from Microsoft Server

I don't really know about situation for today but back in days when free upgrade was available everyone could download .iso file directly without any keys

Adhi Pambudi no. you can download the .iso without a serial number and you can also install windows without a serial number. It will run for 30 days as a test version if you don't put in a serial number, it will stop working after those 30 days.

+0M9H4X wow, thank's. I just realize. next time if I need iso of windows installer, i will download it directly.

management information services (IS for short most known as IT (Information Technologies))

THANK YOU I WAS WONDERING THE SAME THING

For a good reason

Take a look at aptitude, a console-based "high-level interface to the package manager".

Up to 4th install.. have to reinstall everytime I restart box it seems..