(in epic voice) They have become the stock footage 😂😂

I do not need stock footage. I am the stock footage. A guy makes a video and pays for B role and you think that of me? No. I am the one who stocks

Yeah there's alot channels that use stock footage that has nothing to do with the subject matter

Well, they still have the picture of an Intel CPU in an AM4 socket in there...

Careful what you say or this will result in Luke start another new company for LMG

Give them a break. They need to pump out content on several channels. We all know why consumer tech when new is more expensive than years down the line when the manufacturing etc process is refined

Indeed! A zillion things have changed since then.

@@creounity yet spelling on the internet is absolutely not one of them.

@@freedomgoddess I thik that doesn’t come under those zillion thigs

@@death-by-ego i didn't intend to give them shit for the video itself if it came across like that. just for that particular piece of wording i quoted

Maybe in percent difference, but definitely not in the exact dollar amount.

Not even close lol

you can store all of your games but you can't play them. what a deal

No

more like on overpriced mobos, -100 on ssd will cover +100 on mobo but not 2x times more on gpu lol

Wow, that actually explains it much better. Kudos!

Wow, put that tech on the 'do not buy' list

Right makes complete sense now. I was thinking I wouldn't expect that people would address a single bit on a drive so you'd expect 8 bits per cell to make the most sense aside from being able to resolve 256 values reliably.

What is now better? SLC or MLC acting like SLC?

@@zperdek depends on what you mean by better. Was it Performance/Price ratio or simply better performance？Because “real” SLC theoretically still perform marginally better than MLC imitating SLC and considering SLC-imitating MLC requires software Algorithm to balance wear off sometimes it will get much worse. On the other hand, with proper algorithms and better manufacturing processes MLC can lower the cost significantly compare to proper SLC and restrict the performance difference into aforementioned “marginal” range.

1 m.2 for os and softwares / 2tb m.2 for lightroom catalog/buffer and files / and other files on massive hard drive

Yep, spot on. Some people are trying make out that "Hard Drives are dead". However, you still can't beat a large capacity HDD or two when it come to bulk storage on a budget (most people). And let's face it, most people require a lot of bulk storage space these day's, due to the ever growing sizes with software (games and apps). HDD's won't die off, until SSD's become far more cost effective, when it comes to storing large amounts of data.

I have 2 m.2’s in RAID 0 another for less frequently used stuff, then a NAS for storage. When doing Web related stuff I try to always be on a Virtual Machine.

​@@fafski1199 i doubt most people ever need more than 1 or 2 tb of ssd. Hdd still have life partly for mass storage but also just because a lot people just have a ton of hdds just laying arround. I would never ever pay for one again though.

@@fafski1199 HDD´s are not dead due to the simple fact that SSD´s above 8 TB cost more almost everyone can afford while you can get a 20/22 TB Seagate Exos for the around same price as some of the gen 4 four TB NVME drives, while i would love one of those 100 TB Exadrives SSD´s from Nimbus i dont have $40.000 lying around and even the 50 TB model is still $10.000 US

Exactlly, you Can buy two of them one for offline backup, and the other for active usage.

Yeah. Hard drive are definitelyi still useful. Also, that nostalgic sound!

I'm still waiting for my baker's dozen of 36tbs... I'm pretty tired of juggling 22tb drives. Time to step up and give us REAL capacity upgrades.

Where? I’m seeing 8tb is still closer to $200 with some hanging around $150

Hdd? Nope. I don't want 5MB transfer rate

should have just had a better job that would have let you use cheaper storage

With same budget you could get a 500TB SSD

@@google_is_annoying_me_lots3440 It's not his or his employer's fault. The unpressurized sections of an airplane severely limit your storage options since hard drives need a cushion of air beneath the read/write heads to function. No air = head crash = bye bye data.

@@vannhantran547 2001's 2500 dollars would be like 4500 dollars today, you can get a 14-15 TB SSD for that price.

@@vannhantran547 it was probably in the late 90s to early 2000s. 24 gigs nowadays would not hold a pc game unless it was a 2D game. try to look at red dead redemption 2 and that 24gig SSD will say NO.

i finally got around to adding a 1TB SSD to my rig after years of wanting one, I grabbed a nv2 from kingston and honestly I consider myself a relatively heavy pc user, does fine, can't really tell a diff from the samsung 850 500gb drives I had before (2). Sold both of those and grabbed this one. I don't have windows on it since I had another SSD with windows (I was using 11 as main and had 10 on a 250gb ssd, but ended up dumping w11 with the 500gb ssd)

Which brand use ymtc? How bad is it the write cycle?

Which brand/drive you are getting for 90$?

Where to buy them?

Did you seriously mention 2.5 inch drives specifically, just to make your point? lol. 2TB hard drives are like $40, not $80. 4TB hard drives cost around $80. You don't have to be dishonest like that.

I was poking around in my parents' basement the other day and found an old drive my dad kept in hopes of recovering data from it, and I looked on the sticker and it was a 5GB capacity. It really was an interesting perspective, holding that big chonker that could store roughly 1/400th the data as the tiny little NVMe I put in my new build just a couple weeks earlier.

I still have a 1GB flash drive from 2012, 1/4 full with a short stop-motion film on it. As for prices, finding a 1TB for $60 is amazing compared to years ago. I still don't see why my mother thinks that everything is overpriced. My 512GB Galaxy S20 Ultra for $500 is overpriced, but an iPhone 13 128GB for $750 isn't. A Galaxy Watch 5 for $200 is overpriced, but an Apple Watch 8 for $400+ isn't. Doesn't make sense, right? Maybe it is because I grew up in a slightly poor family who does monthly payments while I pay in full, or buys things for ridiculously cheap prices.

My first HDD was 4,3 GB. It's in 1999, not the greatest drive then... but even with that drive it was very hard to convince my parents to buy my first PC. I remember it was enough for Windows 98 and installing just a few games and some other programs, also then games ran from CDs so not the whole game was installed on the HDD. One of the first games I've played was Heroes of Might and Magic 2.

@@Slav4o911 Actually most games back then ran from the hard drive, the CD-rom was really just used as a piracy check. A simple no CD cracked exe was enough to play games without the disc.

@@Slav4o911 I installed Magic: The Gathering on XP circa 2007 and had to force it because the installer wanted Win 95 and had no idea of XP. I either ended up poking around the CD and finding an installer to run directly, or I did what it was going to do and just copied the install folder to the hard drive. I think it was even too old to bother with checking which drive it was running from (basic CD-check). Around that same time I found the HDD from the PC my parents bought around 2001/2. 8 Gigs.. didn't even bother putting it in my PC (143 GB for comparison. 2005 Compaq w/AMD Semprom @ 1.8Ghz, 1 core. I upgraded it to the best CPU the socket would take - 1 core 2.2 Ghz Semprom. ~$330 w/box or $28 OEM. I bought OEM. It was 64-bit but my XP was 32 so it kept telling me I should upgrade windows to get the most out of the chip)

same, i bought my 2tb m.2 nvme gen 3 ssd over 2 years ago, this prices feels unreal

Ya, I got a 500gb m.2 drive few years ago and I wish I just waited a while. It's was over $100 and for that price today I could probably get a 2tb drive for less.

And HDDs. Just recently I bought a 20TB drive for like 300 bucks, amazing for backups.

Cheap ssd are sus 😮

@CosmicCitiZen no it's not. They're just finally down on the prices. Even Samsung drives are cheaper than they use to be.

Fallout 4 is why I bought a SATA SSD (and then later a faster M.2). I went from "OH GOD NO!" when accidentally opening a door in a building that lead outside, to "Whoops, wrong door". After that I played Skyrim and was amused at the loading screens flashing by.

For me, it was the much longer battery life on my laptop after upgrading to an SSD. Doubled the RAM, replaced the old battery with a new one, and replaced the factory hard drive with an SSD. That made for much faster boot and wake times, and roughly doubled battery life.

@@davidgoodnow269 I did the memory upgrade when I replaced my HDD with an SSD. I didn't bother with the battery because I was only trying to extend the life of a computer that's plugged in most of the time anyway by about a year or so. But, yes, that upgrade combo makes good sense.

@@BaronVonQuiply The only games I still play on my old laptop are The Sims 3 and Master of Orion 2. For Moo2, the HDD was already fast enough. For TS3, on the other hand, I don't know what they're doing when that game launches, but I haven't noticed any difference. Now that's ridiculous!

The ssd has lots of benefits, but your main reason isn’t all that important. Laptops have had active hard drive protection using accelerometers to detect movement and park the heads to prevent damage for the last 20 years. The ssd might give peace of mind and is better for a host of other reasons, but hdds solved the problem of dropping a laptop long ago.

I paid 480 for 1tb in 2016 iirc

kingston nv2 2tb is 80e and it's m2 form factor!

now you can get a 2tb intel 670p nvme for like $70.

@@tbm7301 ⁠and for 10 bucks more you can even upgrade to an pcie 4 one

I am surprised how much SSDs have dropped in price. And my mother still tells me that they are overpriced, probably because they are over $20.

Wouldn't use it for metadata because it dies fast (TBW) but great for reading from.

@@llortaton2834 In general, for keeping important things, I recommend keeping copies on 3 different drives

@@Spioszek The 3-2-1 strategy basically

When TCL came out it was called terrible though. SLC is amazing, but not cost effective. I liked MLC and wish there were still options. SDDs makers should have tiers where we could choose which we want with our wallets, but unfortunately consumers aren't informed and just want the biggest drive for the cheapest price most of the time.

I definitely avoided QLC from the moment I read up on it for sure

Logically, outside of a catastrophic failure of the controller which would most likely be caused by a power surge or something similar, one would expect an SSD to fail one cell at a time, which makes it very easy for a well designed monitoring system to accurately assess the health of the drive. If I'm not mistaken, I think my dad's PC has been running it's SSD for upwards of 10 years and has only shown any noticeable signs of possible degradation in the last two or three years.

Even if they do wear out they don't actually die you can still read from them. That's the main selling point for me, reliability. My last platter drive was a 3TB toshiba purchased in 2018 and it started giving me a SMART warning within 4 years.

Exactly. I have a SSD with 128ish GB since over 10 years and no issues. HDD die a lot more often.

​@@atomicskull6405 how ssds die and whether they die gracefully into RO depends largely on the controller. So a decent controller will let you read data, otherwise you might not be so lucky

My experience is same. I've buried a few hdds, whereas I still have none of the many ssds that have failed, even the cheaper ones, and a shoebox of smaller ones that are just not very practical to use any more

$400 for 40MB in Australia circa 1990 in an AT clone. Storage was super pricey back in those days. I still have my A1200, A500 and C64 in my cupboard boxed away. Still the best computers in my opinion. There was more fun and comedy involved in computing back then and I miss it these days. If you pull apart an A500 you'll see they named all the chips and had them etched on the PCBs. Paula for sound, Denise for video etc etc.

@@----.__ Indeed there was. And I didn't know that about the chips. lol

@@SpiritmanProductions You'll love this then; the A500 chip responsible for RAM addressing and some video functions was called the Agnus (512KB). The later more powerful generation was the Fat Agnus (1MB), and the last most powerful generation was the Super Fat Agnus (2MB). That's what I mean about the fun and comedic angle they took back then, it's sorely missed these days. The Agnus naming convention was a lot more fun than the typical 3090, 4090 naming they use these days. Peace mate, nice to have met you. [edit: holy sh!t your channel is huge!! have another sub, gratis]

@@----.__ Cheers. ;-)

with the right effort anything is free

lool

​@@d9zirable anything is free as long as you dont get caught

Meanwhile me who got 2 256GB SATA SSD's as a free gift from my cousin (one went in my Desktop PC and other in a old Asus Laptop I got from another cousin as a gift today)

​@@pankoza It was free for you, but not for your cousin

32 TB HAMR would mean i could drop down from 8 HDD´s to a lower amount the only problem is price HAMR is probably not going to be cheap

HAMR (Heat-Assisted Magnetic Recording) - allows data bits to become smaller and more densely packed than ever - to write new data, a small laser diode attached to each recording head momentarily heats a tiny spot on the disk, which enables the recording head to flip the magnetic polarity of a single bit at a time, enabling data to be written - is the storage technology innovation that increases the amount of data storage in the area available to store data - a.k.a.“areal density.”

I hope not. HDDs still have a ton of usefulness to them, albeit in more and more niche situations. I for one would not mind having a couple of cheap 20 TB disks in a NAS. Always good for backups at least.

When datacenters have not replaced all magnetic tape storage with hard drives, I don't see how hard drives are going extinct in many decades to come.

I have more trust in Toshiba's MAMR technology. The heat-assisted technology to me feels more challenging to achive high reliability. Both technologys are once again engineering marvels, that's for sure.

This week, 2TB NVME, 5000MB/s read/write speed, only costs $60, China's June, 18th e-commerce shopping festival.

Which samsung model?

wow I was thinking exactly this. This is also the reason booleans in programming languages are stored in 32/64bit words!

Well, QLC is a safe point then, since you can put a nibble and only read 2 cells, but that still is lower than TLC where you need spread the data in multiple cells.

Not really as you never actually write just a byte to a harddrive. Most of the time you write a block which is either 512B or 4096B. So provided you can get some multiple of that you gain basically nothing. (Those are just 2 common block sizes YMMV in terms of what is actually going on)

@@jedijackattack3594 That is on the file system, on hardware level isn't same, you can write a byte, the problem is you can't search for a byte, you need to know where is, that is why at file system you use blocks because are more easy to track and assign, you can lost a block to catalog the file name, and possitions of the blocks you need to access, that way you don't need track each byte.

The controller already writes whole bytes to the flash chip, why would it matter how many bits are stored in a cell?

Just remember that NVMe drives often disable SATA ports, so check your motherboard to make sure yours is not like that. In case you ever need more SATA ports and find out they don't work, because that happened to a friend lol.

@@GoldSrc_ i had to learn this the hard way a few years ago because all my m.2 slots were bound to 2 sata ports, so 3 m.2 used all 6 sata boards and i was wondering where my other 4 ssds went.

I'd pay a reasonable premium for SLC, or even larger MLC 😢

@@kathleentoner211 Samsung enterprise or datacenter drives (PM, SM) got you covered.

@@bluesteelbass I'll look into this, thanks

@@kathleentoner211 Samsung sz1735 with Z-NAND, competitor to Intel Optane. And Kioxia has XL-Flash, Micron has XTR SLC, all enterprise U.2 drives.

My new WD Blue 2TB TLC SSD has an endurance rating of 900 TBW! 😲

JFC, your username. I remember messing about on the tucows bbs in the early 90's. You just made me feel ancient. Thanks, I think :P Regardless, your strategy regarding storage is spot on. That implementation offers the best bang for buck while still having high performance for OS and favourite games. Stay well mate.

i can tell when my internet drops first when my HDDs stop writing downloads instead of waiting for my stream buffer to run out :)

In case this is not obvious to some readers of my comment: "3a1a1a. with SLC (2¹)..." ➔ chance of read/write success = 1⁄2 and chance of read/write error = 1⁄2 "3a1a1b. with PLC (2⁵)..." ➔ chance of read/write success = 1⁄32 and chance of read/write error = 31⁄32 Those are oversimplifications, because there's probability distribution in each - with _far greater tolerance_ in SLC and _negligible tolerance_ in PLC. But, it's a good way to convey just how much more complex PLC is - compared to SLC. In reality, SLC (probably) looks more like... "3a1a1a. with SLC (2¹)..." ➔ chance of read/write success = 53⁄64 and chance of read/write error = 11⁄64 Another reason SLC is _least complex_ - the controller can just write to each cell. _All others_ require that the controller _read data_ before _writing data._ How does the controller know which charge-state to write, without (first) knowing which charge-state is already there? It doesn't. Using MLC as an example (enumerated binary-to-charge-state values): 0b00=0 0b01=1 0b10=2 0b11=3 If the instruction from the controller is "flip the rightmost bit" (i.e. 0➔1 or 1➔0), then it must _read that bit_ before it flips it. Not to mention - it _must preserve_ the leftmost bit (i.e. 1➔1 or 0➔0). Such that... Read state 0 ➔ Write state 1 == 0b00➔0b01 Read state 1 ➔ Write state 0 == 0b01➔0b00 Read state 2 ➔ Write state 3 == 0b10➔0b11 Read state 3 ➔ Write state 2 == 0b11➔0b10

@@M0rn1n6St4r It writes in 4k blocks regardless. If you need to change 1 bit it's going to rewrite a whole 4k block.

​@@dat_21 - You are thinking of the (default) block-size in the file system. What if I have formatted the partition, changing the (default) block-size from 4 KB to 256 KB? Then what? Does it write 256 KB? Even if my program is only writing 1 bit? I'm not saying you are wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if SSD manufacturers let the file system, users, and software wear-out the storage via excessive writes. But, if it works the way experts claim it works, the device's components (controller, driver, etc.) and the OS account for the HDD-based block-size. If it works the way it should¹, then - no - it _does not_ write 4 KB blocks, regardless. But, the file system "thinks" that it does. ¹ On the first system I used, with an SSD as primary storage, I installed all the software I had been using with HDD. When I tried to _secure-erase_ a bunch of sensitive files, using 7-pass DoD overwrite, the system popped up a notification. Something like, "This storage device does not [benefit from or support] secure-erase. Permanently deleting files, instead." (on a 2015 MacBook Air) I haven't tried it on any other system, so I don't really know. I can, however, report my current system's *S•M•A•R•T•* data: Available Spare: 100% Available Spare Threshold: 10% Percentage Used: 2% Data Units Read: 159,935,021 [81.8 TB] Data Units Written: 36,101,915 [18.4 TB] Host Read Commands: 637,603,941 Host Write Commands: 416,305,509 Controller Busy Time: 2,018 Power Cycles: 7,013 Power On Hours: 2,721 Why would a system protect me from myself, in regard to secure-erase, but not protect me from my file system's block-size? According to the data, my SSD has not been writing 4 KB blocks. Not unless it's necessary - to write 4 KB of data.

@@M0rn1n6St4rThe block maybe be different, but it still writes whole chunks even on very small changes. Controller will to do wear leveling so blocks will be shuffled around to not wear 1 cell too hard. And operating system will try to combine small writes into blocks.

​@@dat_21 - Yes. And doesn't wear-leveling evaluate how much of a block is "empty" - correlating those bits to other "empty" cells - to write as few bits as possible? Unless you're using btrfs or zfs. The copy-on-write "feature" sounds good, in theory. On spinning rust (HDD), it is good. On SSD, however, it leaves much to be desired. If I make a small (1 MB) change to a 100 GB file, it will write another 100 GB - while free space is available - to keep _both versions_ of the file. That's one way to wear-out the SSD - _fast!_ Great for rollback. Terrible for device performance¹, health, and longevity. For those file systems, in my opinion, the value of the data must be >> the value of the device + the value of the performance impact (i.e. the user's time). ¹ Ever see the performance difference between a Linux distro running on ext4 (or xfs) vs _the same distro_ running on btrfs? It is _shockingly_ bad. If I recall correctly, btrfs only performs (relatively) well, doing _large, sequential reads and writes_ - on PTS (Phoronix Test Suite). Because of the build-up of "many versions" - it performs (relatively) poorly - _even in the read categories._

QLC are very slow, judging from samsung ones. They are as slow as hdds.

@@MIchaelSybi Not even close, what are you on about ?

'write once read many applications. Like installing your entire game library' _Laughs in 160GB Modern Warfare update_

@@spankeyfish you can buy 8TB nvme SSDs

Yeah, but difference between QLC and TLC is so insignificant, that you will rather pay for the extra speed and durability. If QLC was twice as cheap it would make sense, but in current markets it's like 15% cheaper.

This was exactly my thinking about this problem, HDDs are still incredibly cheap for storage, just incredibly slow. But they are still far more reliable than an SSD, so if you use SSDs for your everyday use and HDDs as a reliable backup system, you should have an effective storage solution.

@@TrippOnPower Actually just happened to me lol A cheap SSD dropped out so all i had to do was swap it out with a spare and use the installation thumb drive to restore an image from last week in no time. It was like nothing happened

^This guy data hoards. RIght on

I have my 80gb hdd from my first laptop from 2009, and it's still works as well. HDD is great to keep for storage, I don't think ssd can ever replace that.

And you think HDD would survive 4000 rewrite cycles? They die like flies sometimes for no reason at all.

@@dat_21 Yes.. whiile HDDs can die before that, the majority will not. On the other hand, SSDs absolutely cannot make it to that point.

@@PhrontDoor While SSD can't endure thousands of rewrites, it scales with capacity. For your typical 2Tb TLC drive, that would be around 1200Tb written, which is a lot. Unless you are writing and rewriting live surveillance footage or something, I wouldn't worry about it. And they don't die of a sudden, they usually let you read the data, so it's possible to save the data.

Yep, HDDs are way less likely to suddenly die (3.5" ones, at least). Also, the magnetic recording of an HDD can probably keep data longer when a drive is not powered on.

As someone who just had a 4 year old SSD die last week without any warning whatsoever, I wholeheartedly agree!!

@@RogerioPereiradaSilva77 yeah it’s disheartening. And these failures happen randomly with no time to back up your data.

@@Tanzu15 So true! The only reason I didn't rip my hair out of desperation when it happened was because I backup my personal data onto my NAS on a daily basis on all my machines so I just need to replace the failed drive, reinstall the OS + apps and then restore my files and thus this whole situation went from a near tragedy down to a minor setback or inconvenience. Otherwise I would be foaming at the mouth screaming bloody murder!!

@@RogerioPereiradaSilva77 yeah I’d be raging too. I personally back up my important data. But failing SSDs, give no warning. They just die.

Hopefully theres never an HLC. You may as well just buy an SD card.

QLC is also already slower than modern HDD's once it maxes out it's cache. I've seen 50mbps transfer speed screenshots

@Valor_X Thats awful, Ive seen performance SD cards write faster.

I regretted not getting one of those instead. I got the Patriot Warp 64GB and the controller sucked. Random writes would freeze the system because it had a slow controller

can u tell me which specific SSD model is MLC and which is TLC, how to detect them?

SSDs don't really wear out like HDDs. No moving parts. That said, I've had a hard drive for nearly 10 years and it still performs well. Was my original main drive and now it's just for storage.

Lol splitting hairs

I wish MLC drives were still more prevalent.

Yeah, nothing like paying 2Tb TLC price for a 256MLC version, that is barely more reliable (because reliability scales with capacity).

The problem with Optane is that Intel could never make it cheaply enough.

Cheapest SSDs* SLC cache*

if you are willing to add a couple few more dollars, you can also by higher performance DRAM equipped drives.

I'd be doing file storage on a NAS or in the cloud. You can also connect to your NAS from the outside. As for the DVD drive, there are relatively cheap Blu-Ray players available that also support Millenium Disks (although the quality differs).

They were cheap, but they've gone up again. It's unfortunate, but at the time, they were cheap.

😂just checked, 2TB ssd is around 180

It aged fine. Tf u mean?

​@@FooxTruSsds are currently decently priced but are set to incline.

​@@leoliu5472Wtf are you on about? Paying 50% more for a brand name on the ssd? You cqn find a 2tb mp44l from teamgroup for max 120$ and it's not even the cheapest good 2tb ssd. You are way overspending on ssd if you want a samsung name on it

@@GeneralS1mbathat sucks, bc i really need one. Rebuilding an old pc and the hdd is just shit in todays standards.

2TB M.2 SSDs have dropped like 60% in the last year

Lol no it’s not, SSDs are easily affordable.

​@@RomvnlyPlays if you earn more than 20 USD a day lol, coz most of the world doesn't

@@FinneasJedidiah ram is also cheap. I got 32gb ddr4 3200mhz cl16 for 70$ new in europe.

You can buy a 1tb nvme for the same price of a 1tb HDD atm

Did this in 2014 when a 120gb was like 150 usd

Did you use vista?