Why the F1 Racing Lines were so BIZARRE at the Dutch GP | The F1 Breakdown
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День томуSome of the racing lines were very strange at the Dutch GP, in particular at turn 3. It looked more like a wet line than anything else. But why were drivers taking this usual line?
I endeavour to answer this question in this video.
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@Driver61 2 роки тому
Did you figure it out during the race? Was very strange to see them take such unusual lines! 🔔Don't forget to SUBSCRIBE! We are so close to being the biggest independent motorsport channel on UKposts!!
@hichi1997 2 роки тому
Ayee another video!!
@48nation 2 роки тому
Not really strange considering in Nascar it happens all the time at tracks that have progressively banked corners. I think more tracks should adapt to having banked corners
@plstrom 2 роки тому
how many laps are drivers able to do in the circuit before or in preparation of each circuit ! granted that Max was racing "home" right ? are they all capable of instinctively do this with 20 laps training ?
@matthew-jy5jp 2 роки тому
Another great video Scott.
@mariodriessen9740 2 роки тому
@@plstrom : Max only drove two or three laps in a completely different car for promotional purposes. So it basically was as new to him as it was for the rest of the field.
@TheBlockyMan 2 роки тому
Q: Why is the high line used? Kimi: it’s faster
@MrAlanToast 2 роки тому
"Yes"
@budyeddi5814 2 роки тому
*I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING*
@cookowa3256 2 роки тому
I mean honestly that's accurate
@yo_asian_boi1424 2 роки тому
@@otanaka4551 wtf?
@_..--- 2 роки тому
What a goldmine of a channel, you don't get this kind of analysis elsewhere.
@jambotwokeh 2 роки тому
Hey if you like these you should check out Jolyon Palmer’s analyses on f1tv or their f1 UKposts channel!
@mrsossie 2 роки тому
He gives such an amazing insight. I knew a few details but this is on another level, plus he makes it so coherent it's easy to recognize and understand. Just Great.
@stupide9209 2 роки тому
if you like this you should check out chainbear
@symbolicexchange 2 роки тому
Nah this guys a bit stupid
@zethyuen8859 2 роки тому
Ikr
@EyesOfByes 2 роки тому
"It's over Lewis! I've got the high line!"
@t.r.2283 2 роки тому
It's " the high ground". How can you mess up Kenobi 😞
@zachemorgan 2 роки тому
@@t.r.2283 thats why it's funny cause it's different.
@MoniFps 2 роки тому
You underestimate my mercedes?
@erraticc6631 2 роки тому
"You underestimate my grip!"
@rcpatapouf 2 роки тому
Don't try it
@Lol-pb9bx 2 роки тому
If you take T3 and copy it right across from itself, it would be and exact copy of the Bristol Motor Speedway, progressively banked tight turn. NASCAR uses a grip compound that wears off over time called "PJ-1" and they put it on the bottom to make it a more competitive line at the start of the race, but wears of over time reverting to the naturally quicker top line. Having a mastery of both lines is what makes Bristol such a tough track to succeed at, and also makes for a dynamic race which is entertaining since you can see the whole half mile track from any seat in the grandstands and see what is going on through the TV broadcast. It's a fan favorite for a reason.
@MrAlanToast 2 роки тому
Didn't know alot of this :D
@theunluckycharm9637 2 роки тому
Thank you for the supreme information
@AgnisRoz 2 роки тому
And for some reason PJ-1 doesn't work for Indycar at all, making the track absolutely useless one line railway.
@carfreak290 2 роки тому
@@AgnisRoz i was going to reference this, there is something about the open wheels that dont like it as much.
@leonclayton2583 2 роки тому
@@otanaka4551 wtf
@migy5031 2 роки тому
I hope this event is a keeper. The track has a cool roller coaster effect and the Dutch fans are fired up!
@SgtGregorius 2 роки тому
Really? It was a boring race except for a few pit stop strategy moves. That together with the qualifying/pitlane nonsense just makes it a nice classic track that’s best left where it was, the past.
@zacharyradford5552 2 роки тому
Na it has potential.
@danielsgrunge 2 роки тому
@@SgtGregorius same, it didn't stand the test of time like other classic tracks did... Not fun to watch
@MikkoRantalainen 2 роки тому
They would need to make this track much wider or all the F1 cars are going to drive on the same line meaning no overtakes.
@KepleroGT 2 роки тому
@@MikkoRantalainen Why is it always "make the track wider" and not "make the cars narrower"
@NikolaiPCulp 2 роки тому
Nascar fan here. Kind of reminded me of a turn at a nascar race at a short track. Allows multiple grooves that can carry speed whether it’s a high or low line
@ajsteffen41 2 роки тому
It's Bristol Baby!!! My thought as well. Progressive banking is a staple of Nascar nowadays
@EricBurns1 2 роки тому
That 19 degrees is almost the banking of turns 1 and 2 at Texas. Would be fun to see how Nascar/Indycar would drive this corner
@Lcngopher 2 роки тому
Homestead is another one of the many nascar tracks with progressive banking
@PazLeBon 2 роки тому
If we put a wall there it would be interesting :)
@Lcngopher 2 роки тому
@@PazLeBon there is a wall closer than would typically be there on most road courses but it would be interesting to put the wall right on the outside edge of the track. It would be weird getting the wall to the edge of the track and back away from the track safely so its unlikely to happen
@jimmymagic2438 2 роки тому
No surprise, that according to telemetry, Alonso was the first driver to adapt to a different line in T4, after which everybody started to copy it
@hcguyz 2 роки тому
When you consider Alonso did Indy it made sense why he was the first one to see that line.
@gallosai 2 роки тому
Actually it wass Alonso who started to use the high line first in FP1. In FP2 Ocon copied him and then the rest of the grid. Also, during the race, Ocon tried to overtake Fernando through the inside and couldn't do it, so the high line was effectively faster.
@MemeHealer 2 роки тому
Where did you find this info. I would like to show it to my friend
@gallosai 2 роки тому
@@MemeHealer in the Spanish broadcast of DAZN. They do a pre-race show with legendary broadcaster Antonio Lobato, former driver Pedro De La Rosa and race engineer Toni Cuquerella.
@d.katzroy3313 2 роки тому
Yeah, he got tips from the resident expert Tom Coronel who they cleverly invited to go with them on their track walk.
@florianwalter704 2 роки тому
Normally this is tested in simulator weeks before the GP
@14stockfan 2 роки тому
Anyone who has followed NASCAR or other oval racing series can tell you that the high line on a banked corner can often be the fastest line. So those of us who are used to oval racing knew exactly what was going on. It was a bit weird seeing F1 cars not hitting what seems like should be the apex of the corner if it were near flat.
@musawirmohd6353 8 місяців тому
In qualifying fuel loads it would be more possible to take it flatout,but with race fuel loads,balance is different so that maybe part of reason,but yeah great edge from the oval drivers who no doubt would take the higher line on a curved banker,while watching others taking inside line.
@jk844100 2 роки тому
I feel like next year’s cars are going to make this track a lot more interesting. Being able to follow closer out of turn 1 into turn 3. Side by side in turn 3, drag race through the flat out bit. It might not go that way but the new cars should theoretically love this track.
@carfreak290 2 роки тому
absolutely. the aero wake with these cars is crippling.
@jasonnewman1118 2 роки тому
The problem with that though I definitely with you, but the cars a wider and heavier next year and Zandvoort is not a wide track. If they somehow can make the track a little bit wider. Guaranteed great racing on a track like this that doesn't even require a higher downforce setup like Monaco and Singapore etc does. Still looking forward to it that. The race last week was decent but wasn't anything special. Without the dutch fans and the atmosphere of that track, that race could've been a bummer. But hey, the future looks bright for F1. Lets see!!
@jk844100 2 роки тому
@@jasonnewman1118 they’re not wider. They’re the same width but about 10cm shorter.
@jasonnewman1118 2 роки тому
@@jk844100 wait?! Really, I know it's shorter but I thought it was a little bit wider. Maybe I read some where that was false.
@juanordonezgalban2278 2 роки тому
We already had this year drivers following a rival closely enought in the last corners to overtake them on the minuscule drs zone. In theory next year following will be even easier so we should see more of that.
@patfix 2 роки тому
Max also mentioned that it seems they used ‘plates’ to create this banking. So when you transition from inside to outside you could feel the transition between plates a bit which can upset the car slightly.
@martinbruisten7987 2 роки тому
Also when transitioning from one 'plate' to another, one wheel tended to be suspended in the air for a moment which obviously is not ideal
@lifesgood4232 2 роки тому
1:06 finally someone told people about how different and unique seb's racing line's and driving style is. People still have a tough time to understand on why he needs a stable rear end and on why he spins in cars which don't have a stable rear end. It's hard to change your driving style and most drivers can't do that, even lewis or max or any other good driver.
@_caoss 2 роки тому
mazepin: hahah spin goes brrr
@doubleutubefan5 2 роки тому
When I used to race karts, my race marshal told me that he noticed me run faster if the kart I had was balanced 50/50. If I have the slighest bit of over or understeer it threw how I like to drive off.
@lifesgood4232 2 роки тому
@Stealth Leopard Because that was the time when ferrari started losing confidence in seb and decided to start developing cars that supported kimi's style (kimi likes oversteery cars). 2019 and 2020 were just upgrades, or downgrades should I say of the 2018 car with kimi's style.
@voidsax 2 роки тому
@@lifesgood4232 Jesus fucking christ stop with the BS of "the car is built and made around X drivers style". There's no such thing in F1, this is not motogp, the engineers try to build a solid foundation of a car and then they will work the setup on each drivers needs and style, but its not like the chassis is exclusively made around 1 driver lol. Look how Alonso said that the Alpine felt awful at the start of the season when it comes to how it drives while Ocon didn't have that feeling and how they really improved alonso's car to suit it more to his style without having to build a car around him. That statement of car built around one driver BS is just a poor excuse used to justify the bad performance of a driver.
@lifesgood4232 2 роки тому
@@voidsax In ferrari, it's a different story. It was certainly getting made according to seb until mid 2018 where the team lost confidence in him and started going towards kimi. Both teammates drive equal cars so if a car is being developed according to one driver, the other driver would perform badly if it hinders with his driving style. Kimi likes oversteery cars, ferrari made it according to kimi after italy and the bad performances from seb started coming in, you don't forget how to drive overnight son. In 2019, the ferrari was just upgraded version of 2018 oversteery one. In 2020, it was just nothing, it was a full package of both understeer and oversteer combined.
@lefuedebout 2 роки тому
No mention of Alonso, who was the first to use that high line! Others copied.
@andyelliott8027 2 роки тому
Alonso's done the Indy 500 so he knows what to do.
@LRTorres 2 роки тому
@@andyelliott8027 actually Alonso analyzed the track with one of the most experienced racing drivers of Zandvoort, thats how he got the knowledge. Funny to mention that it was some sort of consultancy so the particular racing driver got paid for sharing that info. It was on dutch television.
@Litl_Skitl 2 роки тому
In the Dutch broadcasts during free practice, they were interviewing the owner of the track. He said that, according to the engineers who made the changes, if the drivers would use the late apex approach Scot talked about, they would lose their front wing due to the steep incline the inside of the corner makes.
@cookowa3256 2 роки тому
In American Short Track Racing, cars can sometimes run a higher line on progressive banking corners if a track is set up in that way, That being said, I love how Zandvoort has these types of features! Edit: watch the 2021 Darlington Cup race, see what i mean.
@CrazyHenkie777 2 роки тому
And what follows is a sweeping left right into Scheivlak, a blind righthand corner that they take at 280 km/hour with just grass at the ouside. It's a real big balls corner! Zandvoort is a real classic racetrack that every racedriver loves to race at. I'm glad it is back on the calendar.
@cookowa3256 2 роки тому
@@CrazyHenkie777 as am I! I suck at driving it in sims but it's still such a unique tricky little track.
@1barnet1 2 роки тому
@@CrazyHenkie777 Massive track on saturday. Mediocre on sundays. Pretty much another Suzuka. But with asymetric tyre wear.
@ifeelcoke4347 2 роки тому
Oh hi cookowa
@AudreyH48 2 роки тому
I think Zandovort will by a great race in 2022 with the new aero setups.
@f3p 2 роки тому
It wasn’t that good in f3 and those cars are equal and have a lot less aero so I don’t think so
@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 2 роки тому
@@f3p I think it was great in F3
@likilikiki 2 роки тому
@@f3p You must be joking. The F3 races were great.
@MultiArrie 2 роки тому
Zandvoort has a contract for 2022 and 2023.
@kra598 2 роки тому
@@f3p F3 was great at zandvoort, porsche cup too
@opperbuil 2 роки тому
It's funny to see how much elevation difference the Zandvoort circuit has, compared to the rest of the Netherlands. It's located in the coastal dunes so it matches the surrounding area. @Driver61, I want to compliment you on the pronunciation of Dutch names, you really sound like you made an effort. GJ mate!
@mijnnaamisaaron 2 роки тому
But can he pronounce Frikandelbroodje?
@opperbuil 2 роки тому
@@mijnnaamisaaron If not, buy him a pizza frikan'Dutchman and he will never forget.
@SoundShunter72 2 роки тому
@@opperbuil They really replaced pizza Teriyaki for that abomination...
@p.c.h.6721 2 роки тому
I would always go for a late braking, late apex. I think Alonso did such an awesome job, he knew the key was to conserve those tyres and he was right, his teammate was left behind (even if he complained of Alonso going to slow at the beginning) and he also overtook Sáenz.💪
@don-dspid2404 2 роки тому
Since there is banking on this track, more than usual, did they have to raise the cars at all so they didn't bottom out too much, much like Indy cars? The turn that I loved was the last right turn (not sure of the number) before the finish line. It reminded me of the Indianapolis Speedway's last turn, which caused a lot of issues with the tires, but was exciting. They seemed to have fixed the issue on this track by increasing the angle as you go up.
@djdewaal289 2 роки тому
14, Arie Luyendyk corner. That is the final turn, named after the 2 time Indy 500 winner (and 2x as steep as the Indy banking coincidentally)
@liynne 2 роки тому
no because the banking isnt too steep. if it had more degrees like the nascar/indycar bankings, raising the car/completly differenct engine fuel flow would be needed. hence why zandvoort only stopped at 19 degrees.
@Brundlesim 2 роки тому
Had the pleasure of meeting you last week! What a gent, despite me interrupting your breakfast! The day after our engagement celebrations. Perfect!
@_-_.7 2 роки тому
Come on mate couldn't you just wait till he finished his breakfast
@grayaj23 2 роки тому
Great explanation. I love this kind of content!
@eefneleman9564 2 роки тому
There's a noticeable jump when exiting turn three on the inside. And in my opinion, the higher up against the wall you can go, the more speed you can maintain through a banked corner. Centrifugal force combines with aerodynamic downforce.
@n0body550 2 роки тому
Thats why i use the high line in the f1 game, you can feel the speed in the high line
@drivewaystar6485 2 роки тому
Great vid. You should breakdown the Caracciola-Karussell, since it's pretty much identically opposite of this corner.
@amaccama3267 2 роки тому
Top vid mate. Loved the way the pad/tablet whatever you choose to call it was put to use.
@flashgordon3715 2 роки тому
I've used many different lines through corners while competing in short track speed skating. Makes it really hard for opponents to figure out how to pass. We would call the hook around a safety turn but allowing forward motion down the next strait. It's not that unique.
@yornav 2 роки тому
5:30 As weird as it was a couple of years ago to see racing cars with a halo, the more weird it is now to see a racing car without one. How quick one can get used to something.
@gaborborsodi5802 2 роки тому
You forgot to mention the big drop at the entry on the inside. It can make the tires suddenly loose grip for a short time which happened to Vettel during the race.
@justinm.1 2 роки тому
The AI on the F1 2021 game may have to be updated since the wide line seems to be the way to go lol
@josemanoel6208 2 роки тому
In the game it's slower, the banking in F1 2021 is totally wrong
@PJ2436 2 роки тому
where in the world is 2:02 ?
@colinbartlett8255 2 роки тому
Yeah. I love how he referred to it as "slightly dangerous."
@lylecrawford2794 2 роки тому
Mercedes Benz test track.
@bik3r230 2 роки тому
On F1 2020 I actually discovered this myself during those races I would always run that line and overtake the person in front of me on the next move straight every single time such a much better run then staying down low you gain almost have a second versus someone doing around the lower loop
@Garvm 2 роки тому
Heard during the broadcast that every driver was in the low line at the start of FP1 and first driver to try the high line was Alonso. The guy with experience in banked tracks.
@CrazyHenkie777 2 роки тому
He did a trackwalk that morning with dutch WEC driver Tom Coronel who probably has driven more laps at Zandvoort than any other driver in the world.
@michaeldavid1566 2 роки тому
Indy flashbacks
@benwright6305 2 роки тому
I love watching these videos, always so interesting, and the way you explain it in such a way where anyone could understand it is amazing!
@puritan7473 2 роки тому
Alonso gave a perfect demonstration of this (I think it was next to team mate Ocon).
@teapeng 2 роки тому
Alonso saw it and took advantage of it on lap 1
@marciosilva89 2 роки тому
Some of the best content on UKposts.. Thank you so much.
@oscartobaroatmeal6734 2 роки тому
Nascar fans notice the high grooves on the banking: Hey I've seen this before F1 fans: What do you mean? This is new.
@willem2099 2 роки тому
Nascar fans XD
@sultanabran1 2 роки тому
so Fernando was the first to take this line through turn 3. recognise the genius of this driver.
@michaelwatts8182 2 роки тому
Fernando did some oval banked racing in America. I think the point Driver61 is trying to get across, but doesn't specifically mention, is "Centrifugal force" comes into play on these kind of corners.
@yajaman 2 роки тому
@@michaelwatts8182 Centripetal force
@wolfgangjansen3628 2 роки тому
Genius was to ask a local driver who knows Zandvoort in and out. Alpine did the trackwalk and knew exactly where to optimal line was and where you should avoid pieces of circuit due to sand.
@Yomommalinkmugen 2 роки тому
can we just call turn three "The Carousel"? I know that name is already used at the Nordschleife but I think it's such an appropriate name here.
@shinra6856 2 роки тому
make it "De Draiimolen" so it isn't an exact copy, i don't know how accurate the translation is but apparently that's carousel in dutch
@user-is9qe9pe6d 2 роки тому
@@shinra6856 draaimolen, zweefmolen, draaiorgel, rotonde, wasmachine
@petemasta99 2 роки тому
Call it the slingshot
@oceanaxim 2 роки тому
Watched this race last night with a friend, we both commented on that turn at the same time! I will have to show him this video next time we meet! Turn 3 Demystified!
@aussiejosh312 2 роки тому
It would be interesting if the following right hander was also banked, so if you had the inside line you might get the advantage for the following corner.
@kentonbrewer3232 2 роки тому
I would love to see more tracks that had the banking and elevation change like this corner does. I know NASCAR is mostly ovals, but the difference in banking and elevation really adds a ton of character to all the different ovals! Also, Scott, I'd love to see some videos going a bit more in depth on the oval side of things. I know you're a road racer at heart, but it would be super interesting to hear your take on some NASCAR and short track oval stuff. In my opinion, dirt track oval racing is some of the best racing in the world and is often overlooked. I would love to hear your opinions on some of it!
@heskenfuhrer8882 2 роки тому
Thank you. Your channel is 1 of 1 🤝👌🏻
@SuperFly. 2 роки тому
Also in F1: Overtaking in turn 3. Alonso overtook Ocon in turn 3. Replay in the F1 highlights of the Dutch GP.
@gooseman123 2 роки тому
Can we do a gofundme to get you a proper desk?!? That plywood was killing me! I'm thinking the rear wing of some old F1 beast would be best.
@gooseman123 2 роки тому
@Waldel Martell Very true....Ok let's do a gofundme to get me a F1 wing for my desk
@ChrisMisMYhandle 2 роки тому
Please let me know if this plays a part: max was going right out to the limits (2 wheels off) at the opposite of the apex of the corner will the Increase in gravitational potential energy play any part In the overall time through the corner? - slow down using gravity, regain the energy on the way out. I know aircraft use this technique that's what made me think of it.
@orsomethingorno 2 роки тому
Underground trains (tube, subway etc) can also use the same thing to save energy -- a bit of a ramp running uphill into a station to save the brakes and regenerate electricity, and then they run downhill after the station so they can get back up to speed with less effort. Many stations on the London Underground, and many other networks, have this feature.
@Lightning_Lance 2 роки тому
I posted a similar comment. That definitely tends to work for me in some racing games.
@viggogustafson2466 7 місяців тому
Hi, where did you obtain the data of the angle in the curve? I would like to know the source, please. Thank You!
@speedhunter7156 2 роки тому
I love zandervort after the embankment adding but I had a feeling they used their nascar experience to make their car more stable and to know the high line has more speed in it than the low side and also momentum also is a key thing coming off the top of the embankment you can ride it out from all the speed you carried onto the entrance thus will make you faster overall per lap that's why Kyle Larson is so fast
@ccheng6477 2 роки тому
Really love how Driver61 said "becurse" (because) Thank you for the content
@casey2732 2 роки тому
Great insight!!! Thank you!
@albersugar2935 2 роки тому
Why does he use verstappe as the example when alonso was the first to use this line?
@ronniet906 2 роки тому
Good education and Well explained. Thanks
@oliverwatson6956 2 роки тому
There is also an additional centripetal force that comes from the gravity vector of the car that naturally steers it without any input to the wheel. Where I live there are a lot of banked corners, and a lot of the time you just find yourself guiding the wheel rather than actually turning it.
@aniruddhnair7668 2 роки тому
I have a question actually, If anyone can help me answer it. Is it easier to follow cars around the banked corners ? other than the fact that increased downforce generated by the incline helps, are there any other factors that negatively influence and make following difficult? Thank you!
@onetripwonders 2 роки тому
Great idea for a topic. Any motor sports fans would love to discuss details like this, and I was actually wondering what the effect to the banking at Zandvoort would be as I watched the gp.
@beavaerobravo4360 2 роки тому
How much of an impact is there from the inner and outer line when you see the elevation difference towards the exit part? I am curious as it seems that this track actually is high line centric. More speed through, better braking and better acceleration in the exit while, diving for the inner you are diving down into a pit you need to get out of on the exit. But does it have an effect and would it be better for different styles if the transition was longer at that part?
@rbpeirce 2 роки тому
What app are you using to draw on your screen? I have an app called ScreenBrush on my MacBook Pro but nothing for my iPad.
@102wingnut 2 роки тому
I thought it was fun to watch them play with the banked turns and try to figure them out. Passing was very interesting!
@OwensShadow276 2 роки тому
Sorry if this is queries but I could literally listen to you talk all bloody day mate. Cheers
@scottrobinson4611 2 роки тому
As soon as you showed the angles on the banking, it made perfect sense. Banked corners provide more grip, as the natural inertia of the car presses more directly in to the road surface of a banked corner than it would for a flat corner - Back to the 'wall of death' analogy for a visualisation of this. The higher the banking, the stronger this effect is, and the faster the drivers can take the corner. Isolating just the corner itself, it's not clear whether it's quicker to slow down more for the inside (less-banked) line with the shorter distance, or to carry a bit more entry speed for the outside (more banked) line with the longer distance. However, the wider outside line allows for higher entry and exit speeds, so in the context of a full lap, it's sure to be the faster line. We need more tracks like Zandvoort on the calendar. Tracks with interesting and unique approaches to some corners.
@kaj750 2 роки тому
I'm not seeing why using the bank is so strange, but great explanation. I enjoy all your videos!
@josephwhitaker6574 2 роки тому
Do you think you could do a video on Vettel's driving style? I know he likes a car with a planted rear and I am curious how that is reflected in his driving style!
@quackingpanda8466 2 роки тому
same i love the drving style videos and want a collab with chainbear so maybe both would be great
@brytonheiselt1915 2 роки тому
What a great video. Well done I feel like Helmut now
@energywolff7112 2 роки тому
Nice video. But i have to ask why don't you use a screen recorder when you explain
@deltahaze3662 2 роки тому
I love all your break downs dude
@b0zz1380y 2 роки тому
Love these videos. Waiting on the donut collab
@jamespisano1164 2 роки тому
Good stuff. Thanks. I LOVE that circuit. That was an awesome race weekend. Question: If the cars weren't downforce cars, like if they were GT cars, would the higher line be as beneficial? Would the quickest way around be the more traditional line? Thanks for your great analysis.
@14stockfan 2 роки тому
I think it still probably would be. The same principal works with NASCAR cars on ovals, and of course those cars are heavier and have much less downforce.
@kirkwoita8840 2 роки тому
It truly depends . Sometimes horsepower means a shorter line is the faster one. Other times it's the clean air and extra downforce that makes the longer line faster. In GT cars typically the banked corners of the American Rovals usually mean drafting for assistance or running a more conventional line. Watch some IMSA and Grand Am races from Homestead, Charlotte, or Kansas. Daytona has much more banking.
@zacharyradford5552 2 роки тому
Not necessarily driving style and car setup would play a factor. The inside is slower but shorter the outside is faster but longer. Drivers need to figure out what line and style of entry, middle and exit that there car prefers.
@dushanrathnayake5007 2 роки тому
Brilliant! Thank you!
@lenschoemakers4103 2 роки тому
But why did people drive with their right wheels off the race track, where the banking was again much smaller? Normally the load is on the outside tires so that doesnt make any sense
@sgyt5224 2 роки тому
I'm not sure but I think it was to have as wide of a line as possible, carrying as much speed throughout the corner.
@jakobgib 2 роки тому
I've never seen someone explain this beautiful sport so well.
@sidojensvanderveer6615 2 роки тому
my man just mad an intire video analysing one corner and i am love it
@ryanrauber4669 2 роки тому
Yo dude, this channel kicks ass.
@RockerGraphics 2 роки тому
The corner before hugenholtz banks also a little bit. That's a different reason to stay more inside then you end up higher because the weight balance. And keep more speed
@dr.sausage55 2 роки тому
It was actually Fernanado Alonso who created that line, he also was fastest there
@ClovissenpaiDotR 2 роки тому
The weird racing lines remind me of Monaco after casino, when the drivers all seem to turn to the right side of the track and then back to the left before the next turn. I never understood why but I took it that just the ground/grip was better on the right side of that part of the road
@burningSHADOW42 2 роки тому
The GoPro over the shoulder setup makes it really hard to see the details of what is drawn on the picutre.
@TweedSwiftie4eva 2 роки тому
Great analysis as always! I could listen to your explanations all day!
@richardeadon6396 2 роки тому
Great video. Good use of the iPad.
@adrianjabs5752 2 роки тому
Great analysis was wondering the G forces on the driver??
@privacyIsKing 2 роки тому
What I really want to know is: what is that mount for the gopro?
@clister. 2 роки тому
can you make an explanation video about spa? I waiting about that instead, your analysis from your perspective. yeah I know it's not safe, but maybe an explanation from driver perspective for not to race, and what FIA can do in the future to prevent that happening again. Thank You!
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 2 роки тому
You forgot to mention what a rush it is to take the high line on a track like that. Due to the banked shape, and the increased grip, at corner exit, you feel like you are shooting out of a rocket. This track may be difficult to pass, but fun AF to drive!!
@markmitchell450 2 роки тому
Surely the banked corner your always getting around it faster on the higher line coming out
@bricksblocks228 Рік тому
how do you get the stats and info about these trackes
@thomas316 2 роки тому
It sounds like they could slightly re-profile the corner or add an adhesion surface to favour the inside line more so it would be an overtaking opportunity? 🤔
@zacharyradford5552 2 роки тому
Or maybe the drivers can learn how to drive it.
@obiverse 2 роки тому
About time, i was impatiently waiting for it.
@lknanml 2 роки тому
I think there is grip up there and I want to throw marbles at those behind me..... Works in Mario Kart! And it worked here. So.. Good line!
@jamesfrank3213 2 роки тому
It's kind of like the carousel at the Nordschliefe...it's shorter around the the banked inner part, but it's smoother around the outside. For a very low ride height F1 car, the outer line is less upsetting to the car's balance.
@timoooo7320 2 роки тому
There were some overtakes from the outside, if you are defending, would you go to the outside line and risk exit speed?
@keanubartolata3465 2 роки тому
i want to see side by side Q3 lap comparison of zandvoort between max and lewis. ultimately, each car's tyres, geometry, aero, and setup dictates their best line and time through that corner. how do each car exploit the limits of stability will show their behavior when experimenting different lines.
@DirtyJamesUK 2 роки тому
Very good presenter! Liked and subscribed ✊
@christiannasca3520 2 роки тому
Except that the one scene is not from a public road. It is from the Mercedes factory test track in Sindelfingen, Germany. I've driven around it and there are tire marks on the vertical part of that banked corner!
@gerthuizing 2 роки тому
Interesting explenation, especially the end the inside line cannot accelarate hard enough when there is a car on the highline. But you miss something. I have driven the corner right from the beginning, when everybody was looking for the fastest line. What you don't see on TV is that the inside drops away, steeply. And the exit of is a climb, already for the high line. That makes the low line in a lowly powered car a struggle. So the slower cars were quickest to discover the high line is faster. But the middle line feels OK, because of the banking almost every line feels composed. I suppose that explains that in most classes (historic F1 for instance) almost everybody took the middle line. You should try it yourself
@dee3368 2 роки тому
Top is usually faster on longer banked corners... it calls for less wheel input...
@dezdon01 2 роки тому
If you have ever driven a high powered sand rail (dune buggy) in the sand dunes of places like Glamis California where there are thirty to two hundred foot tall sand dunes, the winds create giant and small bowls. You ride the bowls like a banked turn. If your joy riding in the bowls, you cruise the entire face of the bowls, if your racing around in the bowls, you hit the crest of the bowl and cut straight down the face of the bowl taking a different line. This way is a much shorter line and you accelerate faster with the steep downhill angle coming off the face and are in a flat level direction coming out of the bank. You don’t have to deal with the inertia pulling you higher up the wall of the bowl, you have traveled less further and come off the bank flat and not drifting at the end of the bank and with twice the speed. I almost expected to see some F1 cars cut those banks in half for a pass.
@mikebergman1817 2 роки тому
Is 2:02 a legit public road? Where is that?
@rombaft 2 роки тому
It's not. Assuming it's an old mercedes test track
@lylecrawford2794 2 роки тому
@@rombaft Indeed it is.
@Duvstep910 2 роки тому
Seb looks like a mad scientist in that photo 😆
@jacekklepacki8301 2 роки тому
Does anyone know where I can find photo from video thumbnail in high resolution? Thanks!
@sntslilhlpr6601 2 роки тому
The amount of steering lock they were getting in that corner was the first thing I noticed. That much at that speed is very unique in F1. Tons of fun to watch and I can't even imagine what it feels like to the drivers when they get it right. Definitely one of my favorite tracks now. Might be easy to say that as a Verstappen fan, but you can tell that all the drivers love it.
@RussellAutosport 2 роки тому
Just look up Homestead Miami in NASCAR. Same thing progressive banking. It’s awesome because when a driver is really dialed in they can put the car just a few inches off the wall through the entire corner
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