The biggest problem WoT has these days is that the typical tank roles just don't really exist anymore and that the lines between the different tank types are very much blurred which results in numerous issues for the matchmaker and it's current templates. Everything has 445m+ viewrange and insane mobility these days and most of what is worth playing is something that has armor. Not to mention that most maps are very much catered towards your tank having armor as well. Add to that the 3 LTs in every game or there being way too many TDs and there's just no breathing room for really anyone to play effectively or rather to their tanks strengths.

You missed one of the biggest reasons people quit! The fast/sub 4 minutes games where it doesn’t matter what you do. If your team or the enemy team can decide the outcome of a game in the first 2 minutes it’s not fun. I literally quit because of 15-5/5-15 games. I’m just a cog in the cycle and not a player.

I think another reason you're seeing more tanks in the upper tiers is that there are fewer new players.

New player here. I find the match matching of experienced players against less experienced players to be the reason I don't enjoy playing.

For me it's the inflation in mobility, view range and to some degree DPM. Mobility and DPM are the enablers of these really quick 3 minute games. View range makes it a lot harder to flank and make creative plays without being detected and destroyed. Mobility and view range have effectively made the maps tiny compared to how things were back in 2010-2015. You're now forced into template-playstyles; you go somewhere unconventional you either get spotted and destroyed, or you contribute to a 3 minute loss or get nothing out of a 3 minute win. This is why I mostly enjoyed light tanks the last couple of years. You're fast, stealthy and thereby have far more options on how and where to play.

I have been saying for years that the matchmaker should be +1 -1. Not +2 -2. Tons of times you feel useless when you are bottom tier. But once you get to tier 6, the matchmaker gets worse. There is one simple reason for this. Wargaming just keep pushing out tons of Premium Tanks at tier 8. That is why there are far too many tier 8 tanks in the matchmaker queue. Hell, Wargaming had to invent the Frontline game mode to take tier 8 tanks out of the matchmaker.

As a new player, playing against people with over 50k matches is so annoying. We need a noobie matchmaker for players that have less than 2k battles. I stand no chance against these players in a brawl.

I cannot stand +2/-2 MM. To me playing a tier 8 vs tier 10 or tier 7 against tier 9 is flat out dumb. I don't want a game where I can't even scratch half the enemy tanks regardless how skilled I am. You may like it, but I think it is terrible game design.

Two big reasons. OP premiums the devs refuse to nerf like the BZ-176 and constantly fighting Teir 10s as an 8. Or 8s as a 6. MM should be +/- 1, not 2.

40 different maps? Some days it feels like I'm playing Ensk three times in a row.

Simple solution to bring players back: 1. Fix MM (+1/-1 only) 2. Limit gold rounds to no more than 10% of total ammo capacity 3. Skill based MM 4. Give the different types of tanks exp based on their role that way they are special. Not all the same

Been saying that the maps are the problem for ages now. What's needed is a dynamic map spawning system where the maps are subtly different each time they load. That would reward map reading players and negate the spot campers who go to the same places every time

frankly I’ve tried to get back into the game several times in the past 8 or so years but every time I just can’t be bothered to learn the thousand new systems and overhauled mechanics, plus new maps and new tanks, and then throw on top of that the change from weakspot gameplay to “just load gold lol” gameplay making all my favorite old heavies next to useless… there’s no point lol

Gold spamming everywhere. Even T10 firing at T8, its crazy. No need to aim just dabbing the 2-key and firing at the tank. I know, that's where WG get it's money but it's annoying

Maaaaaan... Like, I'd actually agree with your take... IF THE GAME HAD A WORKING BALANCING DEPARTMENT. I actually really enjoy tier 7 when I'm not matched against the BZs and Bourrasques of the world, but as you showed, you are just constantly matched against those. And while you can avoid the hopeless situations where your tank contributes almost nothing in tanks like the Cromwell, you are completely useless in slow, low pen heavies when you're in a bottom tier matchup. Like, not even "less helpful", but actively useless. Remember when the Defender came out? Well, now EVERYTHING they release in tier 8 feels like that for the bottom tier tanks. And for as long as they want to continue ignoring their imbalanced premiums, I will oppose WG keeping multi tier MM. Finally, though, I want to point out that there are other factors that greatly decrease the fun I have in 3 tier mm. One is that the maps really suck for the purpose of flanking, which could help to offset a weaker tank. But half of the maps are literal corridors where playing second line is almost impossible. Another problem is that when you couple +-2 with a lack of skill based mm, you create situations where you sit in your bottom tier tank and get to watch your strawberry top tiers get annihilated by enemy top tiers that are capable - with NOTHING you can do about that.

+2-2 is pure cancer, and when they removed +3-3 they should've left it at same tier battles. It's neither balanced, nor funny, to play any tier from 4 to 8 (doesn't matter if you are a lt, med or ht) and having in front of you between 7 and 10 tanks that are simply better than yours, be it vision and camo, alpha/dpm and/or armor. With same tier battles tanks could and should be balanced to play against same tier tanks, not being able to hurt 2 tiers above and completely destroy 2 tiers below. That's part of the problem there was with HE based tanks and the nerfs that followed that left most of the derp cannons and SPG completely wrecked. Playing a tier 4 and being one shotted by a kv2 is not fun. Same with a tier 8 being oneshot by a fv4005 (even in tier 10 that happens). I don't want to play my skoda t 25 against guards, cs-52 and a bunch of tier 7s which have almost if not more than double hp, alpha and better vision, or my vk 100 01p against is4, maus... That's like playing CS with only being able to buy up to a desert eagle against players with awp/ak/m16 The best games I have are against equal tier tanks, not counting the few games I'm top tier against 2 tiers below. There are talks about tier 3 and 4 being full of seal clubbers, but a tier 10 against tier 8s is seal clubbing as much as a pz b2 against tier 3s

I think +1/-1 Matchmaking would make more sense for the regular queue. Where you can't rely on your team to do the correct moves every time if at all. You get those tougher tanks if you are low tier or squishy tanks if your high tier. Regardless, we need more maps more than anything. It's been the same maps for years with changes here and there. I think it's insane this game has had the same 40 maps since the HD update.

Some very good points, thanks. But one you did not mention, and this is my subjective pov (and other players below have mentioned) is map choice. In the early days of the game, there were different maps, and many of the existing maps were more "raw". Larger maps such as (and now I'm struggling to remember the names correctly) such as Northwest, South Coast and Swamp were, at least to me, hugely influential in learning how to play. Plus, as the maps were larger, and generally more complex, there were far more possible game strategies which was very interesting. Today, a lot of the maps, as you also mentioned, channel players into predicted positions and roles; this doesn't make for a better game overall.

OK, let me address the negatives: Stacked flanks - happens even now. 15-3 in 3 minutes is real. No tanks to support - if you are stock, you can support. If you are lightly armored, you can support. When you are low tier, you have to support. When you are stock low tier, you are screwed. T-44 with the 85mm gun (144 pen) can barely pen tier 8, forget about tier 10. Map awareness - it's tier/MM independent, it's a player skill. If you have a better map awareness, you will see where to go, move there and take advantage of it. And since you are against same tier, you will most likely have the tools (pen, DPM) to have influence. Variety - I will address tank variety since game modes and maps would still be the same in equal MM. Some tanks are rarely played anyway. A lot of players play certain vehicles because of Battle Pass (be careful, TVP is the most popular T10 medium now) and Top of the Tree (maybe not so much after the nerf). So the variety isn't amazing anyway. But you are correct - the tanks would be less varied. I will gladly trade that away to not meet BZ-176 in my tier 6 (KV-2 will suffice, thank you). Less hero moments for casuals - I will gladly trade that away to not meet BZ-176 in my tier 6 (KV-2 will suffice, thank you). I can even argue that since we are all the same tier, I will have more hero moments because now I can actually influence the battle more because I have better tools than when I'm 2 tiers lower. Granted, it wouldn't be awesome David vs Goliath moment, but you also wouldn't be powerless in some scenarios. Terrible players getting carried - We will find a way to get carried anyway, don't worry. On the other hand, we wouldn't have to be carried that often because we could play against equal tier instead of struggling in -2 MM. And when we are finally top tier, we cannot take advantage of that anyway so our team is effectively down one top tier tank. Checkers - You basically repeat your previous points. Same tanks are going to the same position anyway. You play the game a lot, so variety is a huge factor for you and I can understand that. I play casually with friends for couple of hours after work. I wouldn't notice any lack of variety. My suggestion? WG should try same tier MM. Create a special mode for that, put it in the arcade cabinet, whatever. Maybe players will hate it, maybe they will like it. Maybe there will be completely different problems that will make it horrible

I wonder why in other games, staff can make rebalance patches every two weeks or every month, and in WoT there is one rebalance per 5 years

To be fair when ever the power creep started everything went down hill. The real golden days were USA, Soviet, German with only max tier 9 td, tier 8 arty etc. Gold was actually gold and you actually needed to know how to aim and play the game.

The worst part of the matchmaker is the lack of taking into account player skill. Using WN8 (I know, not perfect, but it's a metric), I went and looked at every player in a 0-15 blowout I was a part of a few weeks ago. The winning side had 10 players with a higher WN8 than the player with the highest WN8 on the losing team. This is the quickest way I can think of to lose new players, and it's the single most frustrating part of the game for me. Games like this are decided in the first 2-3 minutes, which is not any fun for players on either side.

i mean, +1 -1 tier matchmaking would be a huge step to start with

The lack of variety comes with the power creep pushing people into the same overpowered vehicles. It also comes with the dumbed down map design where you're pushed into the same corridor as everyone else. The matchmaking has not so much to do with it, but also you've had your best results on tier VII in special matchmaking tanks, E25 and Panther/M10. Which just proves that +1/-1 mm is best.

1-5 last night. And 4 of the 5 losses were nearly a 15-0 loss. They have to figure out a skill based MM so the matches are more even. I work a lot of hours, so when I have an hour or two I actually want to enjoy the matches and not be rolled over every match. I wish I didn't have as much invested in this game as I do. I've been playing since BETA and I'm pretty done with the game

This was actually very a positive video. I kinda despised the -2 matachmaking but after this i will atleast try to be more open to it

It's been a simple fix since the game came out. +/-1 match making. U never feel COMPLETELY useless but you can still get a variety

Bigger maps, +1 -1 MM, MM based on PR, move spawn points randomly from time to time Patton the Tank didn’t help much either

The biggest issue for me is constantly running across padders and platoons of padders that only play whatever the most OP is at the time. And somehow they always end up on the enemy team and wreck by entire team basically single handedly.

the biggest reason people stop playing is the bad mm between players. one team has red or orange players, and the other team has all yellow and green players, so you get the 2 to 3 minute battles.

Nobody asked for +/-0. We all ask 4 +/- 1. We all just hate +2 MM!!

Wargaming after seeing this video: We need to release more OP tier 7 and 9 premiums

NA server is a nightmare... 97% of the time you are facing tier 10 with a tier 8

I hate these lose streaks, especially when you're having a great game. It's so frustrating having to play every single tank like 5 times before finally getting your double xp.

Imagine you get your first t6 Cromwell and out comes a wild BZ-176

If the matchmaker did 1 teir difference we would have more balanced games. As well as it wouldn't increase matchmaking time too much while still keeping varying tanks in the battles

The broken OP premium tank like Skoda T-56, Bourrasque, Progetto 46, BZ-176 are the reason people quiting the game not to mention the fun times I play WoT where Team damage exist, MT-25 with is 47 auto cannon, all chat, old HE mechanics, failed platoon taking a Pz 1c into tier 10 and start blasting Waffle Panzer 4, not to mention climbing hard to reach maps without any invisible walls blocking it *sigh* good times

i just used my 703. charged up a double shot. 25m away from the broadside of a 252u who wasnt paying attention. aimed straight at the flat side of it's flat hull. anyone with a functional brain knows that the mathematics would assume a penetration. both shots ended up being zero damage. then at the same time, a JPE100 shot my Maus the other day flat on with a heat shell and didnt penetrate me, yet i snap shotted him and it went right through lmao I think one reason why WoT is unenjoyable is because of the outright braindead "autoloss RNG" that people get force on them that requires less than minimal skill and yes, i am a 3500 WN8 player so i am competent enough to aim at a flat side.

I played for 9 years, I stopped playing for a month, the game simply no longer gives me pleasure, just frustration, anger and I'm in a bad state of mind. It was the best thing I did and I actually feel better about life in general, calmer and happier.

On NA I hate when you get on a team as top player with a 6000 rating and bottom guy has 2000 rating, then enemy team bottom guy has 5000 rating and top guys are at 7000+ ratings.

Couldn't disagree more about same tier matches. Biggest problem for the game is the actual MATCHMAKING, 4 minute battles STINK and only benefit WG, not the players. Have the actual MM make 2 nearly equal sides and the game will be much more pleasurable!

I recently switched to war thunder, and i’ve gotta say the 2.7 - 5.3 br are really fun so far

I think one of the problems is the map rotation. It gets boring playing Ensk for the 5th time in 10 battles. We need more maps...

If WG adds tier 7 premium tanks that are almost as efficient as tier 8 premiums at making credits, the mm might recover slightly.

for me the issue is that most of the Tier 8 or 10 tanks are fully equipped with bond/improved equipment and just maximazing all bonusses. considere the incredibly stupid step up from tier 6 vs tier 8 (with a lot of borderline overpowered tier 8's often fully packed with the best equipment) it really does make tier 6/7 the single least enjoyable tier in the game i find. especially for new players as tier 6 usually makes it invested into a single line of tanks. i dont see how new players will continue playing a game where they constantly put you at a disadvantage all while your grind is getting longer and longer. matchmaking in general needs a whole overhaul i think. i wouldnt know in what sense, but 50% of the battles at tier 6/7 make you really feel like you are just drivable xp for other tanks to shoot at while you need to fire premium only to have a slight chance to pen a weakpoint if you're lucky enough to hit it with your 90% crew.

My favorite games are the games with same tier matches, I think same tier is more balanced and is more fun because it feels more fair. I don’t enjoy murdering poor -2 tier players and I absolutely abhor feeling completely useless when I am the lower tier vehicle. I think that the repetitive nature of same tier matchmaking allows players to focus on their own personal improvement as a player. It makes the game feel more competitive, which is what I enjoy in world of tanks. I never considered that players would want to be bottom tier, so your video was quite interesting.

The variety issue is only going to be addressed by actually balancing vehicle's not really rhe MM. Not saying MM doesnt need improvement but its deficiencies are exaggerated by the poor monetised balancing. People arent stupid, they will gravitate to the obvious OP tanks. If there arent obvious OP tanks then they wont all be driving the same tanks. Also the constant power creep, the alpha,burst, mobility, view range, creep but at the same time HP pools gave not improved. This makes the games less tactical, whe the snowball effect kicks in earlier and earlier and accelerates faster, there isn't time for their to be any real interesting tactical situations to develop.

Biggest problem: Balancing in EVERY area sucks ! MM, Maps, Ammunition types, Premium Tanks, Tier X and VIII, Armor, Weakspots, Tank Roles etc. etc.

Needa revert those HE changes, bring back the derp to handle those stulidly armoured tanks

Hi Quicky, i get some of your points in favor of the three tier matchmaking, but some others (at least that’s how i see it) are correct for you, but not for 85+% of your viewers. You are a super unicum, of course you’ll get your heavies working even when you play minus two tier battles. That’s why you packing ~70% winrate. To me with my ~50.5% in by far the most battles that isn’t the case, ESPECIALLY NOT in tanks who relies on their armor. I downright hate the template with three tiers. For me personally it would be a good change if there only were battles with +1 OR -1. But as always, thanks for your content. Keep on going Quicks 🤙🏼

Everything started going downhill when the 0.8.6 dispersion buffs were partially reverted in 0.9.6. Then it really went downhill fast after the Defender was added. I stopped playing regularly at version 1.0 because the map reworks were just outrageously bad.

I’ll literally watch you play other games, I stopped playing awhile ago but I still watch your videos cuz you’re genuinely interesting to listen to

Don't forget they got rid of the forums. I spent a lot of time on there bragging about my accomplishments. Nothing to brag about, no real sense of urgency to play.

Everyone shooting premium ammo. Playing super heavy tanks are just meaningless… overpowered tanks are given to the unicorns. So for us tomatoes is just no fun

More maps, bigger maps so wheeled lights can’t run the entire map in under 1 min., night time games where vision is reduced, but firing your gun gives your position away, due to muzzle flash. More even match making from players ability, not only tank teir.

Hi QB, that was a unique analysis of WoT that I did not see in any other's videos.

I think war thunder has taken a lot of the fanbase

Games are just getting too fast. Too many fast tanks lead to more suiciding light tank players, more importance to getting the most fast mediums into the best positions, and ultimately more 15-1, 15-3 games. Also the game as a whole is too fast. Players used to take hundreds of games to get up the tiers. Now, with WG throwing x5 missions at everyone, plyers get to tier 8 and 10 way too quickly - without having learned the basics on maps, mechanics and tanks. Again leading to more 15-1, 15-3 games. Ofcourse OP tanks are a pain to deal with, but its not the worst if the team could just survive for 5 bloody minutes in the games! 3 minute games make me want to quit again.

A big advantage of same tier mm is that there is less pressure to pick a competitive tank. If im top tier in my beloved t34 and im matched against a bz my pick is a big detriment to my team. If everyone is tier 8, odds are more tanks will be able to compensate the weaknesses of my tanks and have strengths to deal with op tanks (like a skoda t56 or another bz).

A different issue I want to bring up is how Wargaming butchered lower tiers. It is no surprise the population is in decline, so naturally less new players are joining. But since Wargaming changed lower tiers a few years ago (added more HP, removed consumable slots, reduced map selection ETC) that KILLED tier 1-3. On top of that no content creators care to play low tiers (even before WG destroyed low tiers) further disincentivizing people to play it. I WANTED to bring friends to play WOT but when we have to wait 2+ minutes just to get a bot filled game of 7v7 no wonder new people don't stay. Meanwhile in War Thunder Content creators play lower BRs more often, so new players see this and can hop in, play a few hours and get the tank they saw them play. Also this is just my take, WOT should be 8 tiers at this point. Ten tiers sounds nice but it is so artificial and redundant. Tier 1 and 2 should be merged, tier 9 and 10 should merge too. Tier 9 and 10 feel the same, the tanks got mostly the same guns and modules just different soft stats and a HP buff. Plus we can have more real historic tanks as the top dog over made-up tanks (like the T95 instead of the T110E3).

I've been a 'gamer' since the 80s. I've never had a game hold my interest consistently for this long. There's only so much variation you can get out of this game.

I got my ticket for the poop train a long time ago

Randomly popped up on my feed I haven’t played in years and haven’t watched in a couple years but it makes me happy to see ur still making videos been watching for like 8 years now.

excellent overview QB. definitely one of the best vids by a CC I have seen, and certainly deeper than most. I'm not sure when the game became boring for me, but 5-6 hrs is clearly out of the question! after about an hr the repetition glazes my eyes over

This week i had in my teams only 40-45% winrate players, playing from tier 8 to tier 10. I had really bad experience which made me to uninstall this game. This happens to me everytime when we have battlepass event 😢 i'm not very good, not very bad, have about 55% winrate in 30k battles, but boy - some players are so so bad.... i will gladly take 1-2 months break 😊

I quit the game 2 months ago and the reason I quit is that I was playing tier 8 tanks and I was facing tier 10 tanks. I love playing tier 8 games and I usually play heavy tanks, but when a tier 10 heavy tank comes in front of me, the fun of the game is completely over. If the opposing player has the same skill as me, it's impossible to get an advantage. With a tier 8 heavy tank, even if I use gold ammo, it is impossible to penetrate tanks like E-100, 705A, IS-4, AMX 54, S Conq, etc. I can only penetrate the lower hull, but tanks like IS-4, IS-7, E-100 or 705A cannot be penetrated even from the lower hull when used at the right angle. Even if I use gold ammo, I can't penetrate the opponent's tank anywhere! I need to get to the side or behind the opponent to penetrate the tank, but this is not a 1v1 game, there are 14 other enemy tanks on the side and behind the opponent. What about the opponent? Let's say the opponent has a 705A and I have an Object 703 II, my tank has good turret armor and cannot be easily penetrated by most tier 8s, but what happens when my opponent is tier 10? Of course the opponent can easily penetrate my tank's turret. In other words, the opponent can penetrate my tank from the point where my tank has the thickest armor, while I cannot penetrate the opponent tank from the point where its armor is the weakest (lower hull). If anyone thinks that this situation can be solved by playing better, then give me a tank with 10k health and 5k DPM, if you play well, of course you can beat me :)

The map changes in 2022 and 2023 nerfed all the long range td locations. As a main td player, this nerf is horrible.

We had +1/-1 matchmaking on the Asia server for a few months. IT WAS GREAT!

One more thing to add is when you enter a battle, everyone goes one way and leaves the other flank wide open. Ive seen this many times and its 13 tanks go one way and 2 either camp at the base or go the other way and completely lose the flank because they got outnumbered. The players nowadays are very stupid and can't read map and have hardly any situational awareness.

The insane number of bot accs i get on my team that causes my tram to lose 0-15 is what kills the game for me. This game was great 3 or 4 yrs ago when I used to be able to single handedly carry my team.

I started this game in the North American region at the end of September 2012 and later moved to the Asian region. In the past, the standard strategy for maps was to utilise concealment and exploit weak spots in the opponent's line-up. However, recent map changes have created many pseudo-urban maps, where light tanks have no place. The example is Mountain Path. Players find sniping spots to entertain heavy tanks, but they are quickly eliminated, and there are so many company-oriented vehicle adjustments that it's normal to feel that it's not fun anymore. There may be no way to save the game from this.

Well, I know for a fact that there's algorithms going against some people. I can play 60 games, and only have 10 wins. I can do massive damage, or kills, and still end with a loss. That's why many good players left the game about 6-7 years ago.

I wish they would just make the MM -1/+1 only. 1 or 2 tiers only. I'd rather wait longer in the queue for that. at least protect T5/6

The match maker is my biggest and main problem. I hate +2/-2 and I hate being stuck on teams with Neanderthals. I'm an upward moving player, I shouldn't be stuck on teams with 40% players all the time and that's the second problem. The player base is amazingly lazy, unaware, and unwilling to get better or adapt to mistakes. It's worse then World of Warships. Add in dumb stuff like allowing rentals in Onslaught and hard to get premium tanks comping out every three months.

Coming back to World of Tanks after being away for about four years, I was excited to jump back into the action with my favorite tank, the STB-1. However, I quickly noticed that not much had changed, and the game felt kind of dull and repetitive. One of the big problems I ran into was how hard it was to unlock new tanks. Unless you want to spend money on a premium account or grind for hours and hours every day, getting new tanks feels almost impossible. Plus, there hasn't been a lot of new stuff added to the game since I last played. It's kind of disappointing to come back after so long and not see any cool new features or updates. Overall, my return to World of Tanks left me feeling pretty let down. Even though I still have good memories of playing the game, the lack of excitement and the frustrating progression system made it hard to enjoy.

I don't enjoy the maps in the Random matchmaker. I think we need some of the old maps back, and retouched. mabye some new maps also. That would give me some excitement.

Great video, WG loves taking away fun things like Top of the Tree, tour of duty missions etc

I really want to see Quikybaby try out War Thunder now. I know he did about 10 years ago, but I think it is a vastly different game now.

Very good point, very well made. I've been playing a lot more tier 7 and 9 of late and enjoyed it more.

For me, biggest issue was removing clan wars. Whats now missing is that competitive edge that game used to have while large number of players ware always gathering around every evening... it was fun times.. Right now most of clans are irrelevant other than busters that they provide, and friendships are down to smaller and smaller groups. Many have left game due to that.

I agree, that i like T7 more then T8:s or higher or lower then T7:s battles!

I’m a super uni, day 0 player on the NA server. I took a break from the game for a few years, and returned 6 months ago - biggest waste of my time, removed the game yesterday. 3 LTs per game seems to be default, prok and mali seem to be impossible to get, introducing things like CVS, etc, etc. I play my manti, jacked crew, and I get outspotted by meds…when stationary. Playing 8s/10s is a joke, considering there’s no reason to not play tanks that aren’t broken, but there’s 0 fun in that. They continue to introduce the goofiest tanks…rocket boosters??? What. End rant 🤣. I’ll keep watching your content for the nostalgia, but the game is a garbage pile of what it once was.

Ive been playing a decent amount of tier 9 recently since ive been grinding some of the lines, it's definitely the most fun tier to play at, I also noticed i dont think i've played a single battle where it was all tier 9, there is always lots of variety in the games be it +1 -0 or -2 or whatever, i think its the best mm in the game

This is also what made me quit clan wars: for about 2 years the meta was a full team of chieftains with some EBRS and a 297e every once in a while. Every game was the same, every strategy was figured out and competitive turned into a borig slug where its just a brawl of 15 tanks trying to get 100% pen rate. (bit of an exaggeration but still). there basically was no variety for years. Same thing (but less extreme) is the case in the matchmaker now: you always see the same tanks in the same positions and end up in the same situations.

For me my biggest problem with wot is : -+2-2 MM, its a relic of the past, there are enough diversity of tanks to now have a +1-1 MM still end up with enough different tanks. -The matchmaking for now has no way to tell the difference between a support heavy and a breaktrought Heavy, which is problematic sometimes ( exmp : 50B Vs Maus ) -The lack of TD limit, it is absurd to end up in a match where 75% of the tanks are tank destroyers and turn the match into a absolute slug , and making a single move forward punishable by almost instant death. -broken premium tanks, please wargaming, you have to change something with the way you sell them, you cannot continue with not nerfing premiums tanks because of legal reasons. find a way, people aren't going to stop buying premiums because they are not insanely OP. -There should be a gold limit, like 10-15% of your max ammo capacity to prevent and limit premium account players dunking on F2P because they have more credits to put into gold rounds. If you did this, the game would already become so better and keep a lo of new playesr and old timers alike

I completely disagree. This is a completely subjective opinion from a Unicum who has completely different expectations of the game than a noob like me. What's wrong with more fairness when all players have a chance. Why shouldn't there be team play when everyone has a chance? We're just not used to it because high tier tanks, reward tanks or Unicums always control the game. I can well understand that a Unicum finds it particularly attractive to win as a low tier, but as a noob you don't have the map and tank knowledge and can't get into the game as a low tier. If you play the same game for 12 years you have to find a challenge, but as a noob you have different problems. Plus-Two-Tier matchmaking only satisfies the expectations of good players. Someone has lost touch with the base, noobs don't usually play for 6 hours every day ;-)

I'm someone who started playing in early 2020 after my brother recommended me the game. I had a good amount of enjoyment from playing, even after things slowed down and I had to grind. It was easier for me to excuse the MM since I was new so there isn't any good way to do it. However over time I feel like as I got better and further into the game I noticed how awful the MM really was. It was the biggest thing that kept me from wanting to grind through tier 9 since I would either be given games where I was fighting tier 10s and would get destroyed because I still sucked, or I was fighting tier 8 and tier 7, which put pressure on me that I could not handle as a new player. Stress can be fine in games sometimes, but here where the whole team is relying on you knowing what to do on every map, against ever tank, its too much. Doesn't help that there's always that one guy in every game that yells at everyone. It just makes me want to log off. Then there is the issue of premium tanks, originally when I started playing I assumed I was just being bad when I would die to a lefh for the millionth time. That people were just happening to play the best artillery a lot but it wasn't overpowered, and my death was my mistake still. Once again however, longer I played, realized how overpowered the tank was. Similar stuff happened with other tanks. Eventually my breaking point was the BZ-176, every game had one, and with the tanks I had, I could not fight it. Even with my tier 9s I still had no chance. I thought maybe to just wait, maybe the tank is so good that they will be forced to do something about it. As I looked at veterans to the game however, they all shared the sentiment it would never be rebalanced. The game just isn't fun to play when the the "variety" that a MM should be giving me is just still a BZ-176 every game. When it comes to tier 8. Cant play light tank without spending months of my life researching every damn map, can't play medium because if the BZ is where I end up going I can't play. Can't play heavy tank because a majority of the fights had a BZ, TD is okay but I still can't kill the BZ so my team still loses. And I as a principle decided to never play artillery because it seemed boring. If I'm being honest now however, I might as well just play arty since its the only fun I could probably have, alongside maybe td. I was forced to camp so much more. To stay in bushes, because if I ever brawled I would be squished like a bug. Hell, the BZ isn't even the only tier 8 premium that is overpowered, but its the most annoying one. My brother still asks me if I am going to start playing again, but I don't think he understands just how much I did not enjoy the game. Like the most fun I had in the game was when I was playing just the KV-2, then they changed HE so now I can't even have fun there.

OP premiums that come out very few times limiting the amount of people that can have them, bad MM, and gold ammo are the big reasons why I think it is no longer as fun.

Remove RNG or reduce RNG to +/-10%. Remove arty. Make the game play of your tank true to the stats. no ghost shells or wildly missed shots. Remove gold rounds and buff standard ammo or remove standard and nerf gold pen. Put op tanks 1 tier higher. Remove arty. Remove map pools and let any map be played at any time.

I’d be on the quitting train as well if it weren’t for the new tanks

Great video QB great analysis of the game. Another problem is the player base is not growing in NA servers, and you very often end up playing against alt accounts. Also for a new players tio join this game I don't even see how they would be interested of just getting farmed by players with fully upgraded tanks, field mods, bond equipment, crew skills they stand no chance hence they will realise within a few hours this game is not even worth getting into. If Wargaming listens to the community they can clearly allievate some problems and make the game good again, if they have the best interest for the game.

I really enjoy playing Tier IV and V again. They made it so inrelevant, since they didn't include them in the Battle pass and almost all the time a battle pass is ongoing, so I never played it any more.

PREMIUM SHELLS. thats why wot ended.

To add to the lack of fun in some of these tiers, I also think that many of the tanks need to be re-balanced. Stock grinds should not suck nearly as much as they do, being a weaker tank is one thing, but being completely unable to sway the way a battle is going, just because you don't have all the modules is dumb. I think a lot of the 5-15 games happen due to how many completely worthless tanks are in the MM, not just the number of bad players you may or may not have on your team.

What makes it bad is that almost every tank are autoloader and capable to end you in seconds

Can someone explain to me why, as far as I understand it, the spotting skill seems to be broken? I don't how many times I have been hit when I never was, seemingly, spottet. And I'm not talking about lucky shots, where players take shots at locations where they think players might be, but random places. I don't get any warning. Am I missing something here or is it broken, or other players are cheating?

Did quicky really say "you've got different maps"... I asume he meant "you have the same 5-6 maps over and over again almost whole evening" 😂

For me it was the change to light match making years ago. I LOVE playing lights and when they crippled lights they started to suck. It's now just a different game.

a great point of view to this very hard dicussed theme. thanks for this rather objective point of view!

Quickybaby: I value your content. But I really struggle to listen to you say that Wargaming should nerf premium tanks / balance them. The major reason for me to buy stuff in the game is the confidence / trust in WG not to EVER touch a premium tank. This kind of trust in the product is what makes it worth it for me to even invest in any of them. If Wargaming would follow the same terrible path of Mobile / Free2Play games that constantly sell you a new powerful meta and then nerv it later to prevent power-creep and sell you the next one... This would essentially be the end of World of Tanks for me. If a release of a premium tanks is too powerful, then so be it. Then this tank shall never be sold again and those few (comparivitely speaking) are simply lucky to have gotten one and will feel very valued by never having the vehicle adjusted). Sure the vehicle over-performs somewhat but with - in time - very few of them actually appearing on the battlefield, it wouldn't impact balancing. But as soon as even the first nerf of a premium tank I enjoy comes around, my trust in Premium Content will immediately crumble.