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Gave you like no. 70, and I'm terribly sorry!

nah, is going to be "I use LFS btw"

And then: I use arch without archinstall and pacstrap btw

I love candy BTW 🌚

These things are good if you've got a lot of time and need to use it productively. Maybe I should get back into Linux... but sadly, my form of depression tends to shut down the reasoning part of my brain just when I need it most. This results in _rage against the machine, not letting me do what I want!!!_ lol It could be turned into a comedy sketch. I've tried to use more straightforward OSs from BSDs to Plan 9 From Bell Labs, but the story is always the same in the end: A task seems easy, but when I'm deep into getting it done, a door opens into what feels like a whole new world of complexity and my brain just reacts with _raaayyyggge!_ lol "Stupid machiiiine!!!"

​@@eekee6034Hey man! Hope things get better for you. Normally the same kinda happens to me, actually happened while installing Arch lol had some trouble with the memory partitions and with pacstrap and got very frustrated with it. In the end I took it as an opportunity to learn: installed Endeavour OS and I'm using it to learn how Arch related stuff like dependencies and packages work, no regrets at all!

i just don't understand why every installation guide I see for arch is wildly different. or at least it feels that way.

I was disappointed that I learned less than I expected. Despite my goals to learn I used pacstrap and it does the work for you really aside from bootloader and partitioning the rest is system configuration (arguably it's all system configuration but I think my point is clear). The wiki is very good at guiding you in the direction of understanding the system more but because of the arch install process you're not learning about how Linux systems are for the most part you're mostly learning a set of tools that are common or have been installed and are given snippets that are useful to configure them. But you rarely learn what these tools do for you really. A fresh arch linux user couldn't tell you if they could replace any of those tools easily or not. There's very few tools you know if you could replace. The one big exception to that that I like is the approach to the AUR on the wiki. They encourage you to understand the package descriptions. That really helps open up the idea of how simple (except sometimes laborious if you were to fetch every dependancy yourself) software installation really is on arch. Especially how helpers aren't really useful but it gives a small glimpse into packages that you don't really get with normal use of pacman. I think there should be a Linux install distro or process that's designed for you to understand the system. Not really intended to be a good system just something that gets you to the point where you have a basic familiarity with what happens at a lower level when you do certain actions. Things like how a keyboard press is processed or how a device is detected and attached to the system. An arch install doesn't even mention udev. If you install the system you should feel you want to read about device files block devices a little bit. The two three paragraphs on wikipedia are fine, not linux kernel documentation. Someone who's installing arch through the manual process won't understand why "everything is a file on linux". You get the black box view of the system. Why that should be an install and not just people taking their own time to understand their system. I think it has special appeal to be building your thing as you learn it. And it also leaves you with a smaller subset of the system to understand at any point of time. For instance when you reach the step of having installed the minimal subset that allows you to throw a ping, you know nothing else is needed for this. But I'm not asking to create /usr /etc /bin /sbin and set permissions. That's too manual and repretitive you learn nothing. Being told that the filesystem looks like that for what reason and what the use is is good enough. I'm asking to dip my toes in every part of the system so I at least know the names. And for important components of the system I should have a basic familiarity when it's done.

@@0xCAFEF00D Very interesting. I knew Linux pretty well; I built Linux install from scratch before I tried Gentoo, before Arch even existed, so I was wondering how an Arch install would really look to a new user. Thanks for writing it up.

-realize that the grub archinstall doesn’t work with my dell bios

​@@0fficechairYup had the same issue a while back.

-installs and hooks up pipewire and every problem immediately dissapears

i absolutely hate the "go read the manual" people in the linux community. sometimes i really don't feel like reading several paragraphs about why and how different commands work on a page so bright it scorches my retinas out. sometimes i just want to copy and paste a couple commands in my terminal and have my problem solved without learning about the ins and outs of a package i'm going to configure one time ever.

thats me with linux mint 😭

i actually find that the arch install script offers more depth and customization over using a standard gui installer and i learned a bit of new stuff from it

@@FeTetra that's awesome because it only means that people WILL learn from it even if they are not learning everything at once. It's guided learning and that's more approachable.

@@jhonyortiz5 I personally hate the gatekeepers and find that the way I learned Linux to begin with is letting it in slowly and archinstall is a good way to install arch and use it in an easy and mentally manageable way for the first time, and that's not to say you can't later reinstall it without arch install for a more custom experience

@@FeTetra exactly, 100% agree 👍

if you care about learning then stop posing with Arch/Gentoo and use LFS

Lifting videos coming soon

@@EricMurphyxyz We are awaiting for them

did you use the wiki? cause it's easy to follow in terms of just copy pasting stuff. but i have no idea what's going on lmao.

@@weirdo3116 i used wiki the first time i tried to install, but there was a lot of command that arch didn't recognize, command that were working on tutorial , video etc... the script solved that issue.

I agree, the Arch Wiki is an incredible resource

If you have an entire day to install arch is definitly worth it

Indeed, it is very simple and once you did it once it takes just few minutes to install it. I made a simple script witch install arch with dwm from the scratch automatically and it takes about 6 minutes to complete all installations.

The guy that just did the "install gentoo" and then lived

@@no_name4796 It only takes about an hour.

I used Manjaro for a few months in the past and I had the same issues. I've been meaning to make a video ranting about Manjaro for a while, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

@@EricMurphyxyz good video idea

@@Proferk Coming this week

Use EOS for half a year now after moving from fedora I would say it's great for someone who wants benefits of Arch, already comfortable with command line or basic troubleshooting of Linux, but don't really want spend time manually installing arch nor have specific need like manually install Arch Also been using EOS for making 'kickstart' script in VM, quite useful compare to if install Arch, the stuff would take more time Also, I think most of the prepackaged stuff can be unchecked on the calamares before the install That's my opinion, thx

You mean like `mv (old path) (new path)`?

This is not a fair analogy at all. Getting started in C might actually be easier, because getting a language server in VS Code, Vim or Emacs is the same process for both of them. Most linux distros come with both the C and python compiler engines out of the box. I would argue both python and C have their unique newbie gotchas. My point is that getting started with either is just as easy. Obviously, python is much easier to use. On the other hand, using the Arch installer and the manual installation will both create an Arch linux environment. The difference is that the installer will guide you along the way with some sane defaults, while the manual installation will not. There is no practical benefit for most people not to use the installer. Most people need the internet, they need audio and they need a gui; it just so happens that the installer gives them sane choices for all of those. Even if you want a manual install for learning, it might be a good idea to follow the installer options as a guide and install the packages manually.

They need to learn how to use a search engine, chatgpt, wikis, instructions etc.

I went from from Fedora > Endeavor > ArchInstall. I like arch but don't really want to do all the tedious install stuff manually. The only reason I switched to Arch is because I wanted to run a WM that Endeavor didn't have a flavor for and it was eaisier to start from a clean slate. The install process isn't very much like using your system day-to-day anyway. Most of the things you do, you'll never do again or do very rarely. The part I cared about was setting up my WM. If you just want to use Arch you can 100% run Endeavor and move to Arch if and when you want too.

they are crazy :D

arch elitists and gatekeeping

you hit the nail on the head with that last part. I went to the wiki to see how easy it was and I was surprised that it was almost the opposite of what this guy said. Sure it's easy in terms of all I need to do is copy paste commands. But I have NO idea what's going on. at this point I'd rather just use the Archinstall script and get to using arch. way easier to learn that way then what every the wiki is saying.

unfortunately for you, young man, I've already installed Arch

but what if that was me

If you're not really into it, NixOS will tedium you to death with their structure that's required in order to maintain that reproducibility. It IS a great method, but it will require a level of thinking that will make Spock playing 3D chess look lazy.

@@k.b.tidwell Alright thanks, I'll try Arch later to see if I can make it work. Really wanted to try out Hyprland but unfortunately I have NVIDIA, and that's Wayland so I don't know if it will match. If Wayland gets Nvidia support right or when I upgrade to an AMD card I might try Arch, as of right now I'm stuck in Pop with Xorg since it's somewhat stable.

in terms of maintenance burden Arch is not even in the same league to Gentoo or NixOS, the installation of Arch is conceptually the same like Mint or Ubuntu, you just have to type it out yourself.

btw I ditched NixOS on the second day when it refused to run some of my bash scripts with /bin/bash shebang, /bin/sh shebang should only be used for posix shell, not bash, and doing it through env is having other downsides as well.

@@shroomer3867 about Hyprland, there's an hyprland-nvidia-git package in the AUR so it gets you covered there, Mutahar made a video on how to install Arch a couple of weeks ago so setting up stuff is not hard imo :) that being said, I don't think Hyprland is a good idea as it is in heavy development, Sway/SwayFX seem to be better options if you want stability while you learn about the AUR and everything about Arch, once you feel comfortable with it you might just jump ship to Hyprland, it is great :)

You can rice ubuntu too don't see the point to install arch if you really want to know how linux works just learn bash and then make a lfs system.

Sure, give it a try. If you're not sure if you would like it, feel free to give it a try in a virtual machine to see if it's something you would like, I've never tried triple booting lol

@@coalhater392 oh what !! i'm sorry i'm too new to this i never thought i could do that but how do i get started with it i mean can you suggest any sub reddits that can guide me how to do it

​@@pradnyeshmate1317 what specifically do you want to do a tiling window manager?

​@@pradnyeshmate1317 if you want a tiling window manager I recommend qtile because the config file is written in python and you can read the documentation which to be fair is really boring or if you want to join a subredit r/qtile but if you don't want a tiling window manager and want to rice your de the just search your de name on UKposts with customize and if you don't know ubuntu uses gnome.

I dont mind manually installing arch but it's annoying it really does not teach you anything tbh and arch based distros arnt all shit like Garuda linux setting up btrfs and snapper with grub integration by default is so much time saving .

Nice, that's the best way to do it, I want to create a similar script but haven't gotten around to it yet. The only thing I'm arguing against in this video is using a script when you have no understanding of Arch

I'm not impressed until you're running lfs

4h later, i managed to boot Arch (yaaaay) and now im connected to my wifi, but i dont get an ip from the router. bad wpa_supplicant!

easy, just download more