What yall think about the joshua graham audio tracks 💀 Edit: I've removed them for now because I realized they were translated in a fragmented way so the translations are probably terrible

It may be awesome, but I still barely scan any wifi 6 routers when I walk outside and scan out of curiosity. Even less 6GHz network. I can't see wifi 7 being widely used before 5 years.

Some additional info: The WiFi 7 spec hasn't been standardized by the IEEE organization yet, this is more a formality at this point, there won't be any major changes, but the Wifi alliance and the IEEE are two different organizations. Also, not all IEEE 802.11BE devices will be WiFi 7 certified. There will be many cheaper devices that will support 2.4 and 5Ghz, but not 6Ghz. In that case they will not be WiFi 7 certified, but will use the IEEE 802.11BE protocol. Also, multi link operation has another feature that nobody seems to talk about. You don't need to be connected to a single access point with all the bands, you can be connected to one access point on 2.4Ghz, while simultaneously connect to 5 and/or 6Ghz on another. This way you will always keep a connection when roaming. Side note: most mobile devices will be limited to two bands at a time due to power and space limitations. In regard to the 4K-QAM, the real world gain over 1024-QAM is about 11%, 20% is theoretical and not realistic.

Wi-Fi 7's max modulation of 4096 QAM is only going to work with a line of sight to the router. In fact, Wi-Fi 6's 1024 QAM already requires being in the same room or the next one over. The MCS rates drop off automatically as you get further from the AP.

Welcome to another episode of tech that we won't be able to use properly for at least the next 5 years

as long as antenna signal watts out are the same as before, wifi7 is not that important for most people. Remember that the higher the frequency you have, the shorter the range and the harder it is for the signal to penetrate objects. You have special rules for how many watts the antenna signal can send out. And the telephone and laptop must also be able to send the signal back as far as the router can

I've seen a couple of REDDIT threads discussing folks who couldn't get their laptop to POST after upgrading to a Wifi7/BT5.4 m.2 card. This has me thinking twice about upgrading my laptop.

Another cool feature of wifi 7 is punctured transmission, which allows for a transmission even though there may be interference on a part of the Channel. One key issue with the 6Ghz band is that there are mobile operators (US) who have paid for parts of the spectrum so as of now we can only transmit on 6Ghz in low power mode. Once AFC (Automated Frequency Coordination) is in place then an AP would reach out to AFC provide its coordinates and AFC would determine which channels on the 6Ghz spectrum could be used in that area and then the AP will be able to run in standard power mode. This way it's not stepping over an operators "paid-for" spectrum. Thanks for this video Thiojoe!! Very informational as always! 👏👌

Great explanation, thank you. I brought a TP-Link BE550, a pcie card and an M.2 BE200 card for my 10 year old Dell Precision. Fiber to the house at 1 Gbps just become available at my house here in Australia and I had that installed to. The laptop didn't recognise the card but the 10 year old desktop did. I'm getting 900+ Mbps on my Galaxy Z Fold 3. My 10 year old WiFi 6 router was getting 700 Mbps through my phone.

Last week I said to my friend I would consider replacing my old WiFi4 Ubiquiti AP once they released one with WiFi7, and then the next day they did. Got the new U7-Pro and very happy with it so far. I'm in Europe and was able to assign the 6GHz with 320MHz bandwidth, not that I have anything that can use it yet. Even so, my Pixel 7 Pro and Surface Go 3 are getting 2Gbit up/down all over my apartment, with occasional drops to 1.5Gbit - the Surface certainly feels snappier now when I watch HD video.

I'm glad you're mentioning WiFi 7. I can say that my company is developing Wifi7 capability to be supported by D4.0 Cable Modems. We're talking above 10 Gbps support on Wifi. Simply astounding. Generating so many test packets by servers is very tricky.

Good presentation. Thank you for the content. Cheers from OZ

My LAN is fast enough to stream HD video, as is my internet connection. I can see this being useful for public WiFi, where dozens of people want to connect, but for a home LAN, not so much.

I was overdue for an upgrade and already got the TP-Link that I saw at the end of the approved list a few months back. Even though I only have WiFi 6 in my tablet, it already shows over 1Gbps connections. Glad I splugged a little. And to be honest that model has 2 10Gbps and 4 2.5Gbps ports so now I can connect to the homelab to my main desktop at 10Gbps which saved me having to by that piece of gear.

Thank you for the info.

Wow, multiple audio tracks. 👍 Great feature on UKposts

We provide commercial wifi in my area; and we are have our initial wifi 7 gear on order and are looking to start our clients initial Wifi 7 base by end of the month (January 2024). Wifi 6 & 6E has been a great standard; We are going to deploy Zyxel commercial gear... Our experience with our Zyxel rep has been a huge factor for the deployment.

I did plan on upgrading to the S24 ultra, but not for wifi7. I'll probably just keep my wifi 6 router until I feel like I'd benefit from multi-gig speeds on my internal network. Currently everything in my house is gigabit and that's fine for now even when moving larger video files across my network.

Wifi 7 is really cool! I recently bought a Wifi 6 AP though and none of my devices support it yet. Gonna give it a couple if years and then I'll upgrade eventually

If I'm not mistaken, I was hoping that "multiband" would work in the same network too for legacy devices, but is not the case. So, different legacy gadgets would connect to their supported frequency without the need to have independent Wi-Fi networks for individual bands. However, if I understand correctly, you would still need to configure independent networks for each band for legacy devices. So "multiband" is only for using them at the same time on supporting (Wi-Fi 7) devices. I don't know if what I suggested is technically possible within the Wi-Fi standard and technology, but if it is possible, should be incorporated in the next revision, because it would be very convenient: only one network to all the devices, new and old! Other thing about the bands: 2.4 ghz is still very relevant to this day depending where you live. The rest of the bands can't pass walls with the same reach as 2.4 ghz in my experience.

Figures. Just bought a smokin' hot WiFi 6 TPLink router a few weeks ago. Instant obsolescence. Sigh. The 7 standard looks awesome though. Love the idea of the multi-band redundancy. Thanks for the video Joe!

I think it's mostly relevant for commercial/public infrastructure. I just use ethernet for my PC and phones, work mac, firetv etc connected to wifi don't need gigabits of bandwidth.

I used to work for a Utility and we got a few Emergency Responder Priority numbers. The registration is with the carrier.

*FYI I returned the ASUS ROG Rapture GT-BE98 Pro (latest high-end WiFi 7 router) because* it was dropping packets CONSTANTLY. Be advised that just because something is $900 and WiFi 7 that does not automatically mean it's going to be the best. Went back to my AmpliFi Aliens (WiFi 6, not even 6E) and have much better experience.

I got my router from my isp, works great for what i need it to do and i get the speeds i pay for with it so i am not going to change it out anytime soon (unless my isp offers of me a free upgrade to a new router which they did with my current one)

@ThioJoe QAM, Quadrature Amplitude Modulation, describes a transmission where data is sent over two, or more, channels simultaneously, by utilizing signal amplitude, as well as destructive/constructive interference, with a simple description anyhow.

Nice upgrade!

Interesting. I just finished building a new computer and it has a motherboard with Wi-Fi 7. I didn't know what it was when I bought it, all I knew was that I wanted a board that could connect to my bluetooth devices without the need for a dongle. So this was a good explanation for me.

Yes, I will wait for 7. Currently, I have wifi6, what a difference vs wifi5. Thanks

Thanks for the update. I'll wait to see how it plays out as I am not one to jump into the innovator cycle as it is typically more expensive and that cycle is used for "gamma' testing in real use scenarios. (Pluck, pluck, pluck ;~)

In the end the thing that is MOST important in the router is the number of Antenas I got WiFi 5 3X3 I definetly wont spend 1.5K for 4X4 If as promissed well get 8X8 antenas or especially 16X16 on at least 5Ghz amd 6Ghz bands Ill jump to buy

Meanwhile I'm still using 2.4GHz 50Mbps wifi

Got 2 Eero Max 7s…working just fine…overkill for my needs but I’m good for the next 5 years or so

Intercompatibilty between the legacy bands and 6GHz was a weakness on 6e I believe - I think that has been addressed on 7 to make it a bit more seamless when using older devices. Curiously QAM is an interesting topic in terms of how many bits can be carried in a symbol but the higher it gets the more noise affects the signal and thus the radio environment needs to be super clean - even over a coax cable 64 and 256 QAM are the norm though powerline ethernet and ADSL use higher modulation schemes I believe - likewise at either end the processing needed is pretty heavy to distinguish those symbols so as much as the headline of 1024 QAM sounds great I wonder how useful it will be unless at point blank range from the AP 🤔

WiFi 7 is defitely an overdue upgrade. I set up a high end home propety with tp link system about 3 months before this video. They are no longer having range or speed issues. I also bought the BE200 and the only place I'm able to make it work is my desktop pcs with an adapter. It doesn't fit my older laptops and my newer one has a 6e card soldered to the board. I'd like to see some WiFi 7 dongles. They'd need to be at least usb 3.2 or thunderbolt connections for the bandwidth.

I'll wait till prices go down. $600 for netgear wifi 7 is a bit out of my budget rn.

I'll probably wait till the end o the year.. but we'll see keeping an eye out

6:55 - Newer later in the year VR headsets, since for wireless its technically less expensive compared to WiGi and easier to use just a wireless router and VR headset.

I have a MESH WiFi 7 network at home with 2 Xiaomi BE7000. It is the best you can have. This was an update of the Xiaomi AX7000, and now waiting for an Xiaomi BE3600 wifi 7 to test. This is a very advanced technology because it is not easy to have access to Fiber optic 2.5 Gbps link and above, nowadays. It is like something from the future you can buy now . Maybe in the next 5 years t will be more useful, but now it is too advanced for the internet providers still working with Wifi 5 and Wifi 6.

QAM or similar, allows for multiple bits to be send in "one period" (remember we are modulating a wave - like the sinus function for example). Its stand for quadratic amplitude modulation - in Essence less noise gives more room for better "resolution" in the signal. If you wanna send 1 bit , you split up the signal in 2 from the interpreters pov. Say everything above 0 is interpreted as a 1 , and below zero is 0. Nothing is stopping you from defining this "space" into more slices. 2^2 = 4, so to send 2 bits we need a resolution of 4 in the interpreter. everything below -2 is 00, between -2 and zero is 01, 0 and 2 is 11, and 2 and above is 10. And so on. You can also send 10 bits if you want, what is stopping us from just sending more bits is the signal noise. We can always turn up the transmitters bitrate at the cost of signal integrity (error rate). Effective bitrate will the the total of signal minus error rate. 5G uses QAM64 I think ...

Any considerations in the home environment? I can think of one. Higher frequencies have greater signal attenuation going through walls and floors. There might be a greater need for extenders. I guess it is hard to make a generalization. Have to try it and see I guess when it becomes commonplace.

Using the Intel BE200 already, no problems but still need to update my router too lol

Não esperava ver um vídeo do ThioJoe em português. 💯

6GHz doesn’t penetrate walls very well hints why it’s great for in home use and not creating congestion.

Cool, sounds pretty useful for my decade devices that are falling apart because of the prices set by scalpers are too high and companies have done nothing about it and continue to ship out pallets of gpus which end up on ebay for 10x cost

Just gotta say that I love the way you handle AI generated content. Completely transparent, and fun, like we're part of the creation process. Bravo - youve had a handle on this for a while.

Multi link connections would be, especially if is managed - first come first serve I.e. higher data goes to higher 6ghz and simple appliances reserve 2.4ghz

Woould be happy with WiFi6e. That will take a lot of time to be broadly in us already

At 6:22 Wi-Fi emergency.... Do you think this could be similar to what the cell companies used with 911?? Your cell phone that is on Verizon can make a 911 call off an AT&T tower, for instance....

emergency call on mobile phones is done via a special emergency call features. emergency call features is enabled when dialing 911 or similar. All phones can make an emergency call of this kind. It is not limited to special emergency call units or phones. I imagine WIFI emergency features will be similar. maybe router can flag an ip as "emergency data unit"

Mediatek's ATSSS brings WiFi 7 with 5G, wherein it can use both simultaneously to give the best speeds and switch depending on the speeds.

I just got WiFi 6e MESH, guess I'll stick with that for a while. I'm more curious about WiFi HaLow If I can use that for a challenging outdoor link. Speed is not that important because it's mostly for IOT, not for streaming. If I can get some streaming, that's just a bonus. edit: I know HaLow has different frequencies depending on location. For me, Europe/Norway is interesting.

I'm literally waiting for the AVM FRITZ!Box 5690 Pro to be released and I hope it will be available before I get my fiber connection. I need a new main router for that anyways and while I'm at it... and to be fair, not even exactly because of Wifi 7, but it also is backwards compatible and can provide triband 6E, which is a massive upgrade for Quest 3 streaming for wireless PCVR. And since I typically do that in rooms my main router is not in, I might actually just get three of those. Wanna stick to that manufacturer because of the feature set, currently though I just run a single 7590 with a few ISP routers that just act as Wifi 5 APs (and are doing great). AVM only has some mid tier models with Wifi 6 support (for cable only BTW, but that wouldn't matter if I only used them as AP) though and they skipped 6E completely. Going from 5 to just 6 isn't worth it which is why I still just run 5. I could also just get one and two Asus RT-AXE7800s, but well... as soon as the next Quest would utilize Wifi 7, I'd be having to upgrade those routers again, so why not just do it right away while I'm at it? XD

Until Wi-fi is allowed to increase its actual output power, adding higher frequencies just means less long range, which is often needed more than the absolute potential nearby increased peak speeds.

At 2:12 you *assume* that the routers will negotiate with each other. Is this part of the RFC or not?

I installed the Intel BE200 on my Dell G3 3500, which uses Intel i7 10th gen CPU. I've got the TP-Link Archer BE800 (BE19000) which is WiFi7 certified now. All seems to be working great! I use the MLO network and I get my full 2Gbps speeds, provided by my ISP through WiFi7 connection, across two walls (not concrete). So If anyone is to buy the Intel BE200 adapter, makes sure you don't buy the NGW version of it, if you have an intel cpu gen lower than 12th.

This is a bit of a bummer that not all countries are adopting the same standard. Previously I could buy an unlocked phone from any country and I knew it would work in my country. But if band adoption is different then this would no longer be the case. 🤨

Mean while I just switched to WiFi 6 as i'd been running on ISP hardware

If I ever get fiber internet at my place ill get one with wifi7 currently on wifi5.

In my opinion, allowing 320 MHz wide channels in Europe is a bad idea with the current spectrum allocation. I have a pair of WiFi 6E access points here (Ubiquiti U6 Enterprise) and only channels 33 to 93 are usable. We already have a situation where the higher end channels in 5 GHz are unusable on most devices due to them having draconian power restrictions (14 dBm, roughly 25 mW), so only 36 to 48 is usable if you don't want DFS.

Wi-Fi 7 sounds interesting, but the upgrade to 6E was expensive and I still don't have that many 6E devices yet.

Wifi 5 is difficult to take full advantage of these days. Wifi 7 probably won't be commonplace for a while.

More at once is good for researching topics good to know. Don't tell ads

I got the tp-link wifi 7 router as soon as it came out, but I didn't buy it for the wifi 7 lol. I bought it because its a reasonable price while also having all 2.5g ports, which was basically nonexistent before this router.

You said "Regulate". Now I need to listen to the Warren G song, while opening my laptop and unsolder the surface mounted chips to upgrade them to Wifi 7. Easy peasy.

I bought a used B450 AMD motherboard last month and was pleasantly surprised to find out that the onboard wi-fi was wi-fi 7. Hell, I had no idea we were there yet. Now I'm wondering: If I create a mobile hotspot using the on board wi-fi, will it broadcast on the higher frequencies? I will have to try this tomorrow when I'm at work.

I can see wifi 7 become widely used around 2035, but by then wifi 9 will have been released.

It's awesome for companies selling you the next greatest gadgets.

1:20 Joe it's in 6E 2:40 Add new 60Ghz as WiFi7E😂 Ultra Mega Super Duper Giga..Speed loll most of smartphone people considered to buy hardly getting WiFi6 in it..5-10yrs may take out

My wi-fi 6 is working fine for now, I will upgrade when I notice a problem. I use cable where it matters.

I just got a 6e router so no not gonna get one until I know how ubiquiti handles the meshing between the two.

looks noisy, but will 6-7ghz reflect on wall better for indoor use ? few use case will be mesh backhaul which require range or just standard access point for faster sta connection. outdoor use will be nightmare with that much bandwidth... hopefully most of country decided to just give those channel needed for wifi 7 specs. I had bad experience with wifi 5 where regulation in the past limit bandwidth to just 20mhz but then few years after regulation lifted, hw manufacturer didn't bother to update those 20mhz hard limit or require further testing which takes almost a year after regulation changes.

Very glad to see improvements focussed on enhanced time-sharing.

Just now learning about what this is. I'm gonna be buying a new laptop with wifi 7. I'm a live streamer & have had issues with either my ISP throttling me or my last 2 laptops not being good enough quality to not drop my streams. I still think it's my ISP however. Anytime I live stream there's an automatic drop in my download/upload speeds & then I have to either deal with lag or get booted offline constantly. Idk if it's my $350 laptop that's causing this or my ISP. Do you think this feature will help with that? Btw, my dl & upload speeds shouldn't be an issue because I pay for 500 dl & about 20 upload. It's weird because I had 0 issues in the 1st 5 months of using this laptop, then all of a sudden my speeds constantly drop when I live stream. I'm also wondering if it's because I live in a small town & maybe they aren't up to date with the current times when it comes to giving people what they pay for. I think everything is also tied into my neighbors wifi somehow even though I'm the one paying for the highest speeds & my neighbors are not. If this is what's happening, it's like they're punishing me for actually using what I'm paying for.

7:50, if the laptop wifi use slots and was wifi 6e then yes it is fully compatible, but if it's wifi 6 still compatible but may not reach full potential speed. If its not a slot well you stuck buying a new laptop.

I got eero Pro 6E and Steam Deck OLEDs to pair on 6ghz wifi but unless I'm right next to the router and it's in "legacy mode" (whatever that is) it only ever connects at 5ghz. You need to be too close to use it.

Wifi 7 is here, but in some countries, even wifi 5 bandwidth most ISP can't provide, e.g Indonesia or Bangladesh.

9:01 Oh god. That sounds like the 5 GHz 'DFS' channel disaster all over again

i barely upgraded to wifi 6 and now wifi 7 is a thing lmao

Sad that our ISPs won't provide high speeds for reasonable costs for this to be beneficial.

My wild guess is the emergency priorization is related to Wi-Fi calling (and in this case calling 911/112)

2:26 a giga hurt of space

I got a little lost with the terminology, I need to do some research. Anyway, I liked that Wi-max would have such a long range, too bad that didn't happen.

my asus router is wifi 5 😄 but works great

We got rid of our home wifi 2 years ago when 5G came out, the cell tower is line of sight from the house so we get full signal we hot spot from the phone to the tablets and laptops speed is good everything pops

I have imported 2 routers last year

Getting a Wifi7 router ... at least by the end of 2025. I'm most excited for its adoption in VR, ... Sorry, I mean to say "Spacial Computing" devices. Like the rumored Valve Deckard. Having tried to use a Quest2 off my PC via Wifi in my heavily congested apartment building the dropped packets and random desync stutter was incredibly frustrating. That's even with the Wifi6 router not only in the same room but also in direct Line of Sight at less than 10 ft away!

Explaining anything related to wi-fi is definitely hard 😅

My router died a few years ago. I just noticed that the new router and all of my phones and laptops are wifi 6. I get at least 400mbit around the house and its very reliable.

Already have it on my PC's motherboard, but don't yet have a router that supports it

That'd be right. I've been using AC for years and only just bought a Wifi 6 AX router - now there's 7 coming out. Typical LOL. Realistically though, it's only been the last 12-18 months I've seen wifi 6 ax and 2.5G LAN included as standard in most laptops and PCs. Even AX routers are still in the pricey mark and still only come with Gigabit LAN ports instead of 2.5G. 10G LAN is not even on the radar for most routers unless you have the dollars.

I’m gonna be waiting on Barry to come out with more Wi-Fi 7 AP’s before upgrading. The current U7 Pro is kind of a letdown with only 2 spectral streams per band.

Wow, it's WiFi 7 already? I'm still rocking with WiFi 3 (WiFi g).

adding "stock photo" to the image prompt to get the right cheese lol

My Notebook from 2020 didn't work with the BE200! I tried everythink...

How much money does the CSIRO make on their wifi patent is my question? Higher the Ghz = Worst the access with line of sight. Sounds like a multi protocol switch IMHO, no different than MIMO on different bands we've seen on old tech.

I don't even have wifi 6 yet

I only start using wifi6 3 months ago and now this wifi7😅

Oh yes! Put that WIFI7 antenna RIGHT ON YOUR GROIN. Do it for HUMANITY!

You know its too bad when i first clicked on one of your videos (14 years ago not sure) it was one about how to strengthen your wifi signal it was my first and last time i clicked on your videos only because you were making fun of the topic you never took it seriously so every time i looked for help on youtube i saw you making a funny face and i knew instant ohh Thio is making fun of that again so i never clicked your videos never left you a comment never said a bad word about you but i understand people can not trust you with your videos even after such a nice video about wifi7 it leaves a bad after taste people ask themselves is this really true what he says but no one takes the time to fact check what you say so it is what it is you are a very old youtuber its too bad i always had to see you as an online troll because you are a very intelligent man