Will Ovechkin pass Gretzky.. and will Matthews pass them both?

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Alex Ovechkin had the worst scoring first half of the season in his career, but has been on fire since the All-Star break with seven goals in seven games. Is Ovechkin back to being a lock to catch Wayne Gretzky's all-time scoring record? Bryan Hayes joins That's Hockey to weigh in.

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@LFC-mr6yb
@LFC-mr6yb 2 місяці тому
The disrespect Canadian tv has towards Ovi is pathetic. To keep calling it sad that Ovi might break the record when scoring 20 goals a season near 40 years old is becoming cringy. Same people I bet that creamed themselves and cried when Bourque won a cup by getting traded to the best team in the league.
@nhlvan
@nhlvan 2 місяці тому
Do they not realize that Gretzky averaged like 20 goals a season in his mid to late 30s too
@letigidou8660
@letigidou8660 2 місяці тому
​@@nhlvanGretzky has never been a score first player, not even in the early 80's. Later in his career 20 goals still meant 100 points. Doesn't matter if it's Bossy or Ovie or Matthews, they are not the best goal scorers ever. Gretzky and Lemieux still reign supreme towering over anyone else. They could put it in net just as much while setting up a whole lot more. If they focused all their game on scoring they would've scored 125 a year. But there was no reason for them to be one dimensional so they didn't. That said, yeah the TV guy is rambling. There is nothing sad about Ovie.
@jacoballen4189
@jacoballen4189 2 місяці тому
@@nhlvanGretzky after he hit 30 only averaged 24 goals a year. Fun fact he played 5 years after he beat Howe. So he only scored 91 goals in 5 years.
@markfiori246
@markfiori246 Місяць тому
Ginos a moron. Gretzky played more games than Ovi lol.
@mason657
@mason657 2 місяці тому
Can’t believe the disrespect in this segment
@ryukiT3
@ryukiT3 2 місяці тому
Why does he keep saying "it's sad" Playing at age 40 in the NHL is an amazing accomplishment. It's not " Sad". Is jagr sad?
@rolandunger8357
@rolandunger8357 2 місяці тому
Good point
@skyborne80
@skyborne80 2 місяці тому
Agreed.
@Mitch-ui8ps
@Mitch-ui8ps 2 місяці тому
Buddy it’s just a script and roll they have to play to make it interesting and seem like a conversation. They’re playing the classic good cop bad cop here
@patrickgoulet8170
@patrickgoulet8170 2 місяці тому
"Its sad" they will have the opposite opinion when its matthews chasing the goal scoring lead because they definitely arent chasing a cup.
@bucketophil
@bucketophil 2 місяці тому
Gino Reda’s job has basically become cringe.
@woxoho
@woxoho 2 місяці тому
Ovi will be the first player to reach 900 goals
@king_9625
@king_9625 2 місяці тому
Let’s not forget that Ovechkin lost time to multiple lockouts. He would’ve easily passed 99 by now if not for that. I think Matthews could pass Ovi if he stays healthy
@ozzydo2314
@ozzydo2314 2 місяці тому
It's amazing how many people don't realize this.
@bikingD
@bikingD 2 місяці тому
Think Ovi is great but Gretzky retired at 38. His stats don't include WHA. Heck Gretzky has over 90 goals one season. Ovi is goal scorer Gretzky is everything. Gretzky also had the red line and a rougher clutch and grab era. No comparison and I am a diehard Caps fan since I was 4. By the way best goal scorer I ever seen only played 9 years because of Injury. 5 Cup finals 4 strait cup wins. 22 Mike Bossy.
@dozer1313
@dozer1313 2 місяці тому
Gretzky had goalies that let in 7 a game lol... I agree Gretzky is the goat but don't pretend it was harder to score in his era because you are wrong
@ozzydo2314
@ozzydo2314 2 місяці тому
@bikingD with the goals against in the 80s ovi would have thrived. Especially with clutch and grab. He's 6 foot 4 230 pounds.
@bikingD
@bikingD 2 місяці тому
@@ozzydo2314 He would have done well. Remember though the red line killed the pace back then too. But yes a great player is a great player. Plus off side was off side no getting back on side.
@jacoballen4189
@jacoballen4189 2 місяці тому
Ovechkin in his 30s averaged 40 goals a season. Howe and Jagr averaged 30. Gretzky averaged 24…………. Matthews has already missed as many games as Ovechkin did. You’re really gonna tell me Matthews is gonna break this? Fuck Canadian media.
@yoooei5792
@yoooei5792 19 днів тому
Matthews aint gonna beat it
@ginofication
@ginofication 2 місяці тому
Wayne Gretzky retired at 38... and in his last 5 years he had 25 (or less) goals (his last year he had only 9 goals) ... What is "Sad" is someone talking about a hockey record and not knowing enough to give an informed comment. SAD?, that's Sad, let me just add another Sad, because all you said was "sad"... SAD
@justwondering1967
@justwondering1967 2 місяці тому
It’s way harder to score now at any point in Ovechkin’s career than it was when Gretzky played. Nothing sad about what Ovi has and still is doing.
@-Zephyr-
@-Zephyr- 2 місяці тому
What a horrible take by Gino Reda. "Sad" - Give me a break. 38 plus years as a hockey reporter and this is all you have to say? Ovi will pass Gretzky no matter how long it takes. He should and will be celebrated for his tremendous accomplishments. What was the point of this video?
@FishTheShooter
@FishTheShooter 2 місяці тому
Who tf was the old guy? One of the rudest end of video comments ive ever seen.
@skyborne80
@skyborne80 2 місяці тому
Gretzky retired at 38 in an era were fitness wasn't quite as big a thing as it is now. Ovi passing Gretz at 40 is not "sad" in any way, shape or form.
@Motor-Heads11
@Motor-Heads11 2 місяці тому
Plus Jason play less games
@47moochy32
@47moochy32 2 місяці тому
Hayes is the real deal 👍🏻
@luckyea7
@luckyea7 12 днів тому
From the ages of 20 to 26, Ovechkin scored 339 goals in the regular NHL championship, and Matthews - 328. Ovechkin played 1,426 games, and there are only 34 such hockey players who played that many games or more in the entire history of the NHL. In addition, Ovechkin still continues to play . Hockey players who scored 500 or more averaged 1,334 career games, which is less than Ovechkin. List of top NHL snipers by average number of goals per game who retired: 1. Mike Bossy - 0.762 2. Mario Lemieux - 0.754 3. Si Denneny - 0.751 4. Babe Dye - 0.746 5. Pavel Bure - 0.623 6. Wayne Gretzky - 0.601 7. Brett Hull - 0.584 8. Bobby Hull - 0.574 9. Tim Kerr - 0.565 10. Rick Martin - 0.561 11. Phil Esposito - 0.559 12. Maurice Richard - 0.556 13. Cam Neely - 0.544 14. Marcel Dionne - 0.542 15. Pat LaFontaine - 0.541 16. Michel Goulet - 0.503 17. Rick Wave - 0.503 18. Nels Stewart - 0.498 19. Guy Lafleur - 0.497 20. Mike Gartner - 0.494 21. Dino Cissarelli - 0.494 22. Jari Kurri - 0.480 23. Ilya Kovalchuk - 0.478 24. Alexander Mogilny - 0.478 25. Joe Mullen - 0.473 26. Teemu Selanne - 0.471 Wayne Gretzky played 1,487 games. Wayne Gretzky ranked 24th in games played. All players on the above list played fewer games than Gretzky. And the first five hockey players, although they surpassed Gretzky in terms of the average number of goals per game, did not even play 1000 games. Ovechkin will most likely surpass Gretzky in the number of matches played. Thus, Matthews is inferior to Ovechkin in terms of the number of goals at the same age, and in terms of the number of matches played in his career, Matthews will most likely also be inferior to Ovechkin. My opinion is that Matthews will not overtake Ovechkin, he is often injured. To break Gretzky's record, Ovechkin needs to score 42 goals. Ovechkin has a contract for another 2 seasons, i.e. he needs to score 21 goals on average. At the age of 39-40, the ten best snipers who still played at this age scored an average of 23 goals. For example, at the age of 39, Howe scored 39 goals, Brett Hull - 25, Messier - 24. Howe also scored at the age of 40 - 44 goals, at 41 - 33 goals, at 42 - 23 goals. Jagr scored 24 goals at age 41, and 27 goals at age 43. And Ovechkin looks better than them. In my opinion, Ovechkin will overtake Gretzky.
@dangraesser5341
@dangraesser5341 2 місяці тому
Look let's be honest.. Canadian people love Gretzky and it will be a sad day in Canada when the record is broken.
@frankthetank819
@frankthetank819 Місяць тому
Ovi is the greatest goal scorer 30 goals now he’s only 42 away Matthew’s has nothing on ovechkin no chance
@yoooei5792
@yoooei5792 19 днів тому
It all has to do with how long career you got and how consistent you are
@robnotwicz7002
@robnotwicz7002 Місяць тому
Matthews has already missed way too much time with injury for us to expect him to remain healthy long enough into his career to break the record.
@trevorrochon6983
@trevorrochon6983 2 місяці тому
Just selling clicks. I remember golfers coming and going after good first few seasons we kept hearing here’s the next tiger. Matthews has 6 years in the league he’s 550 goals shy of Gretzky. Enough with the comparisons
@mkwshing
@mkwshing 2 місяці тому
Too early to judge matthews. Ovi can absolutely get 900 career goals. He's very slow but he still has that shot in him
@markfiori246
@markfiori246 Місяць тому
Its also about total games. Gretzky and Ovi by the end of his contract will have had almost the same amount of Games played lmao. nothing sad about it. Ginos an idiot.
@spookystephens
@spookystephens 2 місяці тому
the matthews talk is insulting to all parties. talk to me in ten years
@jayvardy
@jayvardy 2 місяці тому
It's not insulting. Matthews ability to score goals is unlike anything seen in decades.
@karevartem
@karevartem 5 днів тому
​@@jayvardy🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@GreekboyyD
@GreekboyyD Місяць тому
18 in his last 24 games and today TSN has a segment with Gino Reda ball-washing Ovechkin 😂🤡
@Obi1to1
@Obi1to1 Місяць тому
The NBA celebrates its stars like LeBron and Steph, while the NHL calls it cringy???
@kidpoker9408
@kidpoker9408 Місяць тому
Wayne had 394 goals his final 987 game he changed his game he just wanted to win
@cdnhawk65
@cdnhawk65 2 місяці тому
Is it me or was Brian Hayes dropped in from the 1980s?
@kidpoker9408
@kidpoker9408 Місяць тому
Theres no denying who the greatest goal scorer of ali time is longevity wise is and its ovi and its not even close but from a peak stand point its wayne 500 in 575 vs ovi 803 wayne had 41 in 37 i mean 50 in 39 50 in 34 spanning 2 seasons plus his goal scoring hey day was 35 plus years ago recency bias anyone
@bikingD
@bikingD 2 місяці тому
9 year career only because of injury. 5 over 60 goal seasons. Rest over 50 except last year 38 with injury shortened season. 5 straight cup finals 4 straight wins. Easy greatest goal scorer ever Mike Bossy and that is coming from a Caps fan. 22 easily not even close is the greatest goal scorer ever.
@sw-wt8mb
@sw-wt8mb 2 місяці тому
Bossy was the snipe of snipes, 8 right there with him
@bikingD
@bikingD 2 місяці тому
@@sw-wt8mb Agreed both had the shot. Just imagine 22 with a composite stick. Would be scary. But the skill both 8 and 22 to get to the spots is incredible
@gib67
@gib67 2 місяці тому
he got some real good peds in dubai
@Sea1fly
@Sea1fly Місяць тому
Who’s 99 and 34 doesnt have the strength long term
@eirikrdberg1161
@eirikrdberg1161 2 місяці тому
Far too early to think Matthews will get up there. Ovie is there cause he has been great in his 30s. Matthews is in his prime on an offensive talented team. In 5-7 years he may be a 25 goal scorer and finish up with 750. We’ll see.
@Rippayless
@Rippayless 2 місяці тому
He still can switch to the wing when he slows down man, he’s gonna be scoring a long time without a major injury
@rickrobitaille8809
@rickrobitaille8809 2 місяці тому
Mathews 😂time to light it up for a long time 🇨🇦🇺🇸
@jimlangdon1947
@jimlangdon1947 2 місяці тому
Records are made to be broken. It looks like Chicago’s rookie star will likely pass them all - well maybe?
@letigidou8660
@letigidou8660 2 місяці тому
Just way too early to say. The kid already got a broken jaw and he's barely started. He's small in a giant's game. Hopefully he stays healthy, and also the Blackhawks organization needs to build a good team around him.
@jimlangdon1947
@jimlangdon1947 2 місяці тому
@@letigidou8660 Well Matthews - might not even match Selanne as a goal scorer. So who knows if Connor will pass other elite players? 😀 It is fun and interesting to watch.
@ethanparker7900
@ethanparker7900 2 місяці тому
bro kid is only 18 years old and hasn't even finished a full season yet
@jimlangdon1947
@jimlangdon1947 2 місяці тому
@@ethanparker7900 That is what makes this kid look so good. If at 18 he is capable of 40 goals per year - then Maybe he’ll score 95 goals when he is Matthews age?😀 Would be great to see someone score 95 in this century.
@ethanparker7900
@ethanparker7900 2 місяці тому
no one will score 95 goals in a season. People overrate bedard far too much. He's only at 17 goals and there is only 6 more weeks left of the regular season so there is no way in hell he gets 40 this year. Maybe next year but absolutely not this year. @@jimlangdon1947
@nikramirez5461
@nikramirez5461 Місяць тому
Yes and it's possible
@rickrobitaille8809
@rickrobitaille8809 2 місяці тому
Its 😂inevitably going to happen that OV captures the second greatest NHL stat ever other than the Holy Grail of all sports stats 🇨🇦🔥🌐1963 assists
@ethanparker7900
@ethanparker7900 2 місяці тому
goals are way harder to get than assists
@realist7934
@realist7934 2 місяці тому
Mathews is gonna slow down. Hes gonna get injured in the playoffs im betting. He wont reach 700 goals.
@ryanwilliams5904
@ryanwilliams5904 2 місяці тому
Didn't Gretzky finish his last season with like 5 goals?
@jaker.5854
@jaker.5854 2 місяці тому
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think Gretzky even scored more than 30 in a season during the 90’s.
@modernhipster
@modernhipster 2 місяці тому
His best between 1990-99 was 41 goals. He got 9 in his last season.@@jaker.5854
@michaelgriffiths8068
@michaelgriffiths8068 2 місяці тому
@@jaker.5854- Ok, I’ll correct you. Gretzky scored over 30 goals on 4 different occasions in the 1990s. He scored 38 or more goals 3 times in the 90s, including two 40 goal seasons.
@michaelgriffiths8068
@michaelgriffiths8068 2 місяці тому
Gretzky scored 9 goals and 62 points in 70 games in his last season and led his team in points. He was playing with AHL level players that season on the Rangers unfortunately.
@ryanwilliams5904
@ryanwilliams5904 2 місяці тому
@michaelgriffiths8068 so Canadian media can stop sh!tting on Ovi for his goal production decline. Caps lost Backstrom, Orlov, Ellers, and kuznetsov; Wilson, Oshie and Ovi also have been in and out of the lineup this year.
@Chris-fn1yq
@Chris-fn1yq 2 місяці тому
How it sad 😆 😆 🤣, Ovi will pass Gretzky
@karevartem
@karevartem 5 днів тому
Matthews? Record? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@iSeaUnplugged
@iSeaUnplugged 2 місяці тому
Matthew who
@gregthomson7889
@gregthomson7889 2 місяці тому
Lets remember Gretzky retired at 38.If he played 2 more years to 40 as the Putin supporter will he would always hold the record.
@Nate-1244
@Nate-1244 2 місяці тому
That doesn’t even matter. It’s the games played we should be comparing.
@gregthomson7889
@gregthomson7889 2 місяці тому
@@Nate-1244 Well lets compare the over time goals 3 on 3 they add up and they didn't have them when Gretzky played.
@Nate-1244
@Nate-1244 2 місяці тому
@@gregthomson7889 Sure, but age isn’t a relevant comparison statistically speaking.
@gregthomson7889
@gregthomson7889 Місяць тому
@@HD-um6yw His team was done but it's the same thing for the Puttin supporter.
@dmitrycherepov3242
@dmitrycherepov3242 Місяць тому
If you want to play the "if " game then you should count in all those covid, lock-up and starter seasons due to his birthdate for Ovi that he missed. Ovi would have been long past that Gretzky record by now heading on to 1000.
@ronevens8268
@ronevens8268 2 місяці тому
one thing for sure is that Matthews will never see a cup
@hael929
@hael929 2 місяці тому
and neither will you loser.
@nikramirez5461
@nikramirez5461 Місяць тому
Hahaha get over it Canada Russia is going to own that record for a good lil while
@thomasbolt4032
@thomasbolt4032 2 місяці тому
typical toronto media, i think I think that matthews is a couple goals behind, let him get to like 600-700 then lets start the talk about him being even close
@ethanparker7900
@ethanparker7900 2 місяці тому
matthews won't break either cause he doesn't have the durability or longevity
@hael929
@hael929 2 місяці тому
ok nostradamus lol
@HydrixTheory
@HydrixTheory 2 місяці тому
mathews will die off he dont have what ovi has
@milano-io5gu
@milano-io5gu 2 місяці тому
Gino is a haterrr
@darenbukator3525
@darenbukator3525 Місяць тому
Ovi will likely have the most goals, but hes not the best goal scorer. If 6% Gretzky's 1963 assists were goals, he'd have over 1000 goals. Gretzky decided to keep the record within reach and passed the puck instead of shooting. He could have had 1300 goals if he wanted.
@senilelavrov
@senilelavrov 2 місяці тому
Unless Ovi's idol mobilizes him to the frontline as cannon fodder, he might get pass Gretzky
@dmitrycherepov3242
@dmitrycherepov3242 Місяць тому
Don't you worry, we have around 1000 men daily signing the contracts with the Ministry of Defense voluntarily to go defend the country .
@senilelavrov
@senilelavrov Місяць тому
@@dmitrycherepov3242 and a 1000 men lost every day attacking a sovereign country “in defence”
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs 2 місяці тому
Ovechkin was a special kind of puck suck. He was massive and skilled enough to be a power forward, but he chose to be a puck-suck instead and just stand around sniping....hes worse than Hull was....and Mathews will not even come close to Ovie or Gretzky because no Team is willing to do what Washington did and miss the Cup so many times to pad one players stats....once Mathews starts playing real Playoff games he will get roughed up a lot more and hes not that fit a Player to begin with so injuries are coming he is no Ovie who was a viscious BULLY. I actually think Draisaitl might get close to ovie and Wayne.
@ozzydo2314
@ozzydo2314 2 місяці тому
The standing still is only on the power play. He's got almost 600 goals at even strength and some of the most ridiculously beautiful goals the game has ever seen.
@GreekboyyD
@GreekboyyD 2 місяці тому
Draisaitl😂 He’s already 28 years old and 505 goals behind Ovechkin.
@boomeyeay
@boomeyeay 2 місяці тому
Toronto centric media have the worst takes. Especially Hayes
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