My pc suports windows 11 yay in installed insider

Tbh, I wouldn't be too surprised if Win10 support gets extended because of the slow adoption rate of Win11 (given the average PC probably can't run it as in 2018 the average age of a PC was 6 years old) like how XP's support was extended because of the failure of Vista. The gap between 10 and 11 is the largest in Windows history and even longer than the XP and Vista gap and 10 is even more entrenched than XP was in its heyday.

Thanks for that useful info! Short and important.

I have win 11 on a 1st generation AMD. All you have to do is replace a few certain files in the Source directory in the ISO, with the windows 10 source directory files, and it boots up and installs with no problem. Same thing with an older laptop. After trying the full version, I also did the same with a light version and it was faster.

@@standtallvets5386 Already? And what´s the "light version"? The home edition?

Well he sometimes uses the word "swine"

@@Drakey_Fenix 😄 I'm sure he's just holding back!

"Shameful" is way too kind, in my opinion.

@@SkipperChuck42 :- Well, when he gets the final release version, he might say he is "Jolly cross".

Descriptors like that are far more profound when delivered by someone that is typically unflappable.

Pure magic in that word-smithing

@@paulstubbs7678 It shouldn't have made me chuckle, but it did haha

Yeah, I lol'd hard at that one.

Perfect ! I did almost spit my rum and coke all over the sofa when he said that :)

@Cosmo Kramer I've never seen him that angry before !

> _now I'm just terrified how much they will mess it up_ yeah same

What exactly did they mess up in windows 11?

@@propersod2390 read my comment above. it shall show up when u sort the comments by newest first now.

@@propersod2390 For me, the animation thing is a gamebreaker. Having to wait for the right click menu to appear before I can interact with it breaks workflow. I should not have to slow my inputs purely because the OS wants to look fancy

@@Jonen560ti are u serious rn? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Right clicking taskbar, windows icon, desktop and apps on the desktop for me are all instant. Or is 0.1 seconds of an animation too much for u?

Yah, everyone loved windows Vista service pack 4.

I tolerated Windows 2000 and XP reasonably well, but really hated having to tolerate anything thereafter, including Windows Vista, 7 (in my opinion even worse than Vista from a user interface point of view even if less unstable), and 10 (fortunately managed to get away with not having to touch Windows 8 except for a few minutes of morbid curiosity).

so you mean windows vista but just on better hardware lmao

@@ShaunBaaSheep Nah, my opinion hasn't changed much since w7's release. Pretty much everything that made w7 great was already present in Vista.

I don't crave Windows 7. I use it. Call me crazy.

:)

Windows 10 made me migrate to Linux, and I never have looked back. Linux distro's are in many flavours and there is probably one for everyone.

@@sleepymarauder4178 why people think Linux is better than window 😐

@@TwelveLetter956 imagine somehow download games then struggling in scripting 😐

@@lynx873 just use steam

same, for the most time i am using win10 for most things like projects, games, movies and so on, but some time ago i notice that every few weeks windows started download some bullshit updates that cost me around 2-3gb of disk space every time... in one of these updates was added "news" to taskbar and these news was related to america even i am living in ukraine, ofcource you could turn off this feature but why they force every user to download this?

Absolutely

Good luck with that. The reason so many people tolerate WIndows is that it's easier to live with than Linux. While I use both i dont recommend Linux to the average PC user.

I bought a now unsupported PC with Windows 10 in 2017 when they still said Windows 10 would be the last version. If I was in America I'd look into my options for a lawsuit. They have gone too far this time.

Linux is much worse. Just stick with windows 10 if your system is not supported for windows 11. Windows 10 will still get updates and features until 2025 iirc. Linux is great for specialized use-cases, not for ordinary home users.

Vista didn't change UI much. It just lagged in performance.

it's a shame because at its core windows 8 actually wasn't too bad, if they just got rid of the tiling UI for PC's it would've had way better reception.

Vista over XP's UI, it looks more modern than the Fischer Price UI. Windows 8 I don't mind the live tiles and since Vista intro'ed the Search function, I don't even use the Start Menu at all.

@@monkeyzuul7808 it served as a testbed for the best windows OS, windows 7

Simply making UI changes optional would improve a lot.

taskbar sacrifices functionality for looks. which is dumb

Do you not always have to sign in to Mac OS?

@@stocothedude well work made you use mac.... and what is stopping you for using mac os then?

@@CuanPrince We are not speaking of logging into a user account on a computer. We are talking about activating the OS. Windows requires an online activation for you to use the operating system. You have to have an account and internet access to use the operating system. Back in the day, to purchase an OS you bought disks and got a key, this meant you owned the OS. Not this way with Windows anymore. Mac and Linux (obviously) do not require online activation.

@@nemocheerio ah ok, I am with you....yeah Windows wants to take 2 steps forward and 10 steps back...clowns.

i like his tuts and hes very honest , its rare indeed i have used many linux flavours and bsds ...but win ten is the most gawds damn annoying sack a crap ever.... this win 11 no thanks

I'm sure the microsoft fanboys will be here any minute to call him a boomer. lol

@@Tall_Order how so , hes 100% right since win 7 ms has gona to shit...real shit not its regualr shit , but even looks like shit...win 11 looks like they are trying to rip off linux

@@chronosschiron I'm actually on your side here, so please dont expect me to have to explain the mentality of a microsoft fanboy. I'm just saying that the diehard fanboys will dismiss everything he said as "some boomer" because fanboys are blind.

@@chronosschiron On the exact day that MS stopped supporting Win7, I switched to Linux and have not looked back.

All mouse-based GUIs are inherently diffucult anyway, akthough easer, of course, than touch-based ones for people with normal motoric skills. Once people learn go use the command line and keyboard they rarely go for the mouse save for unusual tasks. It is much easier to tell the computer what one wants it to do than it is for one to do it oneself through mouse moves, clicks, and visual parsing of multiple infirmation-loaded heterogeneous views. GUIs are cognitively surpirisingly taxing.

@@mechantl0up I grew up on the command line. DOS 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 4, 4.01, 5, 6. But then the GUI was invented. I'm not going back to the dark ages. If that don't create a GUI, then they have failed as software developers.

Possible response “At Microsoft we wish to bring the world together in a more collaborative atmosphere. By allowing us 24/7 webcam and microphone access, you are doing your part to bridge the digital divide. If you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. Download Windows 11 today.”

Access to updates. Yuo want to use Windows for something ( otherwise you wouldn't have installed it) and have some apps running there. This program needs to be validated against known threats, signatures/keys checked and revoked if needed.

@@VFPn96kQT Why? Watching DVDs, playing off-line games, viewing family photos etc. doesn't threaten anyone even if it should get infected which it won't.

@@VFPn96kQT Lets be honest, does micro$oft own your computer or do you own your computer?

@@qviewq2071 To play DVD and play games you have to instal programmes and drivers. One of the things Windows update is doing is downloading drivers.

Right-click Taskbar > News and interests > Turn off

@@franksierow5792 THANK YOU!! 👍👍👍 Bloody things been bugging me for ages! 😀

If you think the Windows 11 looks pretty and you're using Linux, then you can already use the WIndows 11 desktop there. It's called KDE Plasma lol. Microsoft always uses various Linux Desktops as the source of their 'improvements'.

@@nunyobiznez875 I'm already using Fedora's KDE spin :) In truth I've been playing with Linux off-and-on for about 9 years, but this is the first year I've actually really properly *used* it as a daily driver. It's amazing how far it's come since 9 years ago.

@@babyboomertwerkteam5662 I've been using Linux (SUSE) as my primary OS for over 18 years now, though I've always also at least maintained a Windows system as well, even when it's gone largely unused. But Windows has gone so far down the wrong path, and Linux has progressed so far in the right direction, after support for Win 10 ends, my use of WIndows will likely end there as well. I'm not planning to use Win 11 at all. You are right that the progress Linux has made in the last decade has been amazing. But it's still dwarfed compared to the progress it made in the decades prior to that. I only wish I had begun using Linux in the early 90s, when it first began. It was still the wild west days when I did finally start using it at kernel 2.4 in the early 2000s, but it had already made a lot of progress by that point in time and was already fairly mature by then. I do feel a little like I missed out on being able to watch it develop from the very beginning.

yeah lol

I think Edge (Chromium) is a great browser myself - even use it on macos

@@rossgeography It's legit better than Chrome in every way possible.

@@DreamDemonYT so edge is sutably mediocre

@@apefish2266 That doesn't make any sense but okay.

Got to agree, 7 was actually a decent release. While XP was one of the better releases (once you got all the SPs installed), I actually miss 98 SE; 95 was a giant turd and never really ready for prime-time. 98 was substantially more stable and still relatively light to run. Things went to pot once they decided to write their OS using .NET instead of native C/C++; it has been a slow beast ever since, requiring more and more resources to run "comfortably". Win 10 was substantially better than 8 in that regard, but still too heavy for my taste.

taskbar sacrifices functionality for looks. which is dumb

Tweaked Win 10 runs better than tweaked Win 7.

Me too.

@@basshead. let us give credit where it is due. Win 10 at least later versions have better running abilities and control if one knows regedit and PowerShell to perfection...all due to a pseudo Linux kernel. The garbage is still a plenty but stuffed under the bed and into the closet, so to speak.

u know, they have this sub system for linux, WSL, i wonder why they did this, and since valve has the steamdeck, probably more devs will develop for linux too

I've been using Linux for years now and never looked back

@Stacey Ayodele get a Lenovo T430 the same as me with an i5 it is fast and now on Linux even faster

This and trying to make working a legal installation of Microsoft Office that was imposible to do, are the final nails in the coffin for me. I'm looking to installing Linux Mint for my normal daily use, and keep Windows only for gaming. The annoyances are now too much to handle for me. Let's switch to the penguing for good.

I've used Linux for longer than I have Windows. 8 years ago when I was *12* years old I switched to Linux because my PC at the time performed horrifically in Windows 7. If a 12 year old can figure it out when Linux was early enough on that it was almost *guarenteed* your wifi wouldn't work then the *it's too hard* excuse doesn't exist. Never looked back even though I don't have that PC anymore.

Yeah, I actually looked forward to new versions of Windows until after seven. In fact, I had so many problems with Windows XP that I went looking for an alternative, not knowing if one existed, and learned about Linux. But even that didn't stop me from being excited to try the newest Windows versions when they came out. Vista hit me hard, but Windows 7 was the best Windows OS to date. It has only gone down from there. I did help some people get their free upgrade to Windows ten, but then I also helped some of them downgrade because of Windows 10 problems right at the beginning.

@@SuperDavidEF Hmm interesting, I used XP from 2009 up until 2012/2013 as my daily OS, and had very few problems with it. Although within that time I think there was a window of time where I was using Windows 7, and that was the best thing ever when I first used it, I never used Vista that much but never had any issues with it. I only upgraded from Windows 7 due to the EOL, same with my dad. I showed him the Windows 11 default wallpaper and he said it looked like someone scrunched up some blue serviettes and took a photo

When the news published about Windows 11, my first thought was "WTF? Mmm, let see how this will work in my machines." Turns out, Windows 11 will not work with those system requirements. Sad, very sad.

Yeah after 7 I just didn’t care much anymore. And it’s true I just started tolerating how bad it was after 7.

@@sithnamqus Yeah it is, very... My 4th gen Intel system won't run it either... Disgraceful as Chris says...

Forsoooth! Perfect brit accent.

*"MELTDOWN, SPECTOR"*

Elmer, you are a cold, mean man! 😹

But, was he right? For my understanding it works like this: any intel 8th gen cpu or newer and any AMD second gen Ryzen or newer will support the OS for sure. In case the pc does not have one of those CPUs than it must have a TPM 2.0 chip, the presence of the chip depends on computer or motherboard model. For example my desktop with I7 6700K and an ASUS Z170 will support W11

@@mastroitek black market TPM 2.0 "emulators" from Taiwan might be hot items, unless China invades Taiwan. After that, I hesitate to speculate.

It's just a "Folks, please harm the climate and environment and buy brand new hardware to inflationary prices, because we have now WINDOWS 11."

It has always been that... :) I've only used 3.1, 98, XP, Vista, 8, and 10 but none of them have been what you'd call slick or nice to use. Windows 8 was probably the most infuriating -- on my laptop/tablet it wouldn't even render colours the same way in Metro UI/tablet mode vs the desktop mode, making the transition very jarring -- especially when it would constantly jump back and forth between the two in some of the settings dialogs for instance. There were settings screens that would ultimately send you to the older "Mouse Settings" dialogs or the like that were, of course, still there under the new coat of paint... So why not just let me load up the "Control Panel" and go there in the first place!

TassieLorenzo Windows 8 was a dream compared to the shit show that was Vista

My toleration for anything MS waned the morning I woke up and found Windows 10 installed on my Windows 7 system without my express permission. I got my system restored from backup for a few programs that are not found in the Linux world, or not as tolerable or polished. But made the conscious decision to completely move to Linux as of that time. I have been using Linux Mint since, with the exception of my flight sim cockpit/VR system. I do not regret my choice in the least and my skill set with Linux has vastly improved..

cause they have not yet tried linux , which is a way worse os

It's called an agenda.

Looks like Microsoft hasn't learned much form the Windows 8 disaster anyway

@@truthwillout2371 Yes, I understand that because I know that for many years the introduction of a new OS has had more to do with Microsoft's cash flow projections than actual user need or demand. I appreciate that the timescale for introducing a new OS may demand they do it now, and that it's been planned for some time, but I'm wondering what effect the factors I mentioned (which are outside their control) may have on their agenda ? Personally, and because of the demands it makes, I don't see where Windows 11 fits into my life. My wife has been using Linux full-time and very successfully for over a year now, and I have only one remaining (dual boot) computer that runs Windows 10, the rest having been Linux only for some time. Only a slight adjustment (at no expense) will be needed to say goodbye to Microsoft forever, so why should I ditch perfectly good hardware to move to an OS I don't want ?

@SnappyJon 2nd-hand market indeed ... lots of perfectly good Linux systems waiting to be installed and that will run til the cows come home.

Microsoft are not shooting themselves in the foot. They aim higher… somewhere around the balls.

Yes, that was rather convenient. But no 1st gen Ryzens . . .

Just like Apple without Jobs.

Now this is a very good point indeed.

Nice of the people at Microsoft to give the competition a sporting chance like that

Indeed. Even an old Sandy bridge like the i5 2500K which served for so long is still a pretty nice office machine. So no reason to throw it in the bin. Just give it another life with Linux.

Why wait? Switch now.

@@ChrisM243 i5 seems quite exotic to me! My most powerful machine is only an i3!

I will got a laptop at the tail end of Vista. It was fine and died four later. I replaced that Vista machine in late 2012 with a clearance Win 7 laptop. I got a Win 10 machine about 2.5 years ago as Win 7 was being phased out. If if I get a Win 10 machine, it will be because I must. Knowing Microsoft, installing any Linux Distro on an OEM Win 11 machine will be made difficult . Much of The Win 11 OS security features will make any non OEM OS locked out.

@@edalder2000 That won't happen, because MS has already fallen foul of the rules before. MS simply cannot stop third party hardware manufacturers from allowing alternatives to Win 11. If the manufacturers themselves decide to limit choice, people would ultimately vote with their wallets. Most PC manufacturers can't afford to risk losing customers in today's crowded market.

taskbar sacrifices functionality for looks. which is dumb

@@another3997 that being said MS is enabling defaults that limit choice. Such as forcing secure boot.

@@another3997 Specifically x86, but ARM is catching up, and ARMs are locked (hence why we have to go through so much to "jailbreak" a mobile device).

But those cheap laptops will have an operating system that is only supported until 2025. Thank you, Microsoft.

@@HereInPA_Hagen yes thank you Microsoft as 6700hq laptop to run Linux yes please. 🥳🥳🥳🥳. Prices are stupid for old stuff right now. Some of the Linux builds I see are so old tech it's stupid. A guy was trying to put puppy on a p4 system think oh cool. Hopefully if all this old tech looses value we can reap some rewards and Linux finally makes a decent GUI experience

I don't have to wonder "if" Microsoft is ethical.

I am still using it. Windows support is not worth anything anyway. Just try phoning them with a problem. I did once and was given my own tel no to phone!

By far my favorite OS

Have you seen XP 2021?

@@matthiasausfrankfurt ??

nothing like it.Awesome.. my i3 2nd gen laptop with windows 7 runs much much faster than my windows 10 with 8thgen i5 processor(SATA hard drive)

I suspect the Steam Deck will create a lot of Linux converts.

As soon as I am able to run all of my game library on any linux distro, I am ditching windows for good without even have a second thought.

@@dmytro.d You're certainly are not alone in thinking that. A lot of people are eagerly awaiting what happens with Proton.

It would be awesome if this really picked up.

I'm happy to be in the Linux ecosystem, where we get exciting news every week or so.

Your question is easily answered: "Let's see how many ways we can screw our customers. And how much money we can make for essentially DOING NOTHING USEFUL!"

@@jamesmccarte1609 lol, it wasn't a question. I know why they do it. Can't complain too much though.... they've kept me well employed for several decades.

@@sparkeyjones6261 Watch out. They came out with a cloud pc that can run on chromebooks among other devices.

@@MrR40388 Yeah, we've been talking about that for over 20 years ;) Not worried, I'll manage the cloud services. Haven't had much to do with physical desktops in quite a long time.

Nailed it. Microsoft seems to be under the impression that the only reason we turn on our computers is to play with Windows.

Combine this great OS with Office 360, and you have a 3x $$ Chromebook. OMG!

EXACTLY

I think Chris makes this precise point when saying Windows is more akin to a service rather than an operating system.

This is happening in Apple world already forcing me to stay on Mojave

Me too. When I first heard that windows 11 is coming, I was like "wait, what? Why?"

I am one of the proud people who never updated from Windows 7 to Windows 10 on my laptop even though it was free, and they kept pestering me with pop-up ads for months. (Now, I mostly use Windows 10 on another computer, and it's a Ryzen first gen, but even if I can get Windows 11, I'll stay with Windows 10.)

@@Rationalific That was a mistake. even if you were skeptical about windows 10 at first, it was still worth upgrading just so that you can claim the license. Turns out Windows 10 eventually became the best windows Microsoft has ever created, and its security was good enough that you could actually get away with running windows 10 without an AV. When windows 11 drops, I'll still upgrade even if its just for the free license.

Right? Though my situation is very uncommon as a user--I'm a digital painter and the graphic tablet I most prefer is very old and so is my favorite art program. I have to hope Microsoft continues to support these drivers and programs that were built for Windows XP. They work just fine on Windows 10, but every upgrade intimidates me with the idea that I won't have access to the tools I work most efficiently with. Sure, I could buy newer tools, but do traditional painters need to throw out all their brushes and send their entire workstation to the landfill because a company decided their workflow is too old? These are the tools of my craft and I work well with them. I do have newer software for art that I sometimes use as well, but my tablet is non-negotiable and I can't work comfortably in the newer software. Why should I be forced into a new workflow for no reason? It won't improve my artwork. It slows down my productivity as I adapt. Just to have new things for the sake of novelty? Any upgrade for a consumer should provide them with benefits and if they need to sacrifice, it should be to fix an issue that is so dire it's worth the loss. The only issue I see here is that the culture around digital technology demands that we constantly change our tools when other kinds of artists are allowed to use the same tools for decades towards mastery. I can't imagine Microsoft is thinking hard about users like me when they create new OSs, but they have supported backwards compatibility well enough up to this point. If anything I can just dual-boot and have a work station frozen in time while the rest of my digital life progresses. But it's certainly weird as a consumer that I'm even in this position

Great to hear!

I thought about it a bit! :)

@@ExplainingComputers Fair thoughts.

Me too!

Ubuntu 6.06 LTS Dapper Drake was my first distro.. 2006. That's how long I have been using Linux as my daily OS....

@@5argetech56 It's my daily bread and butter since Yggdrasil. (Linux Counter 3406)

@pk5l ouip so you are saying to wait until 12 comes out?😂

@pk5l ouip most anticipated feature they said is ms store support android apps using msix format... If they fail to implement that properly then its a waste of a decade...

Feels like ME#3

Sounds like it will be a Vista repeat....they finally had to change the name to windows 7

yeah my 1st pc came with windows 8 and when i updated to windows 10 i enjoyed it much more but then things stopped working. i think it was too much for it

@Octavio P. But Windows has a more flawless compatibility with those games than Linux with Wine.

MS has had this monopoly since the days of Windows 98 when they forced every computer to have Internet Explorer and as more people used Internet Explorer, they relied more on using Windows. Also, I'm not a Windows hater, in fact I like using Windows on my computer for than anything else. I'm just saying how the monopoly all started.

@Octavio P. Some games work in with Wine but its hit & miss. Wine won't even work on Debian, at least not for me.

@@jezz2k Wine can definitely work on Debian, not sure why it wouldn't work for you. And honestly, not every game may work with it, but the majority of games does these days (a notable exception being games with EAC or BattlEye Anti Cheat). Proton runs the majority of Windows games on Steam quite well, and for non-Steam games, Lutris helps you set up Wine for lots and lots of games.

@Octavio P. All my gaming is VR. Maybe they'll make that better after SteamDeck, but for now ... Win 10/11 it is. Alas.

Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! very good.

Didn't you enjoy Windows 9? That was invite only.

yeah, if only I could remember were I placed the purple soap after the first video talking of this

Indeed, and with none of the features that make any of those appealing. None of the consistent design of macOS, none of the super-customisability of KDE, and none of the features that made older version of Windows, like Windows 7, actually nice to use. Windows 7 was the last good version of Windows. It looked nice, it worked well, and Microsoft knew that so they killed it early by introducing that rubbish artificial CPU ceiling trying to block Windows 7 running on newer CPUs since 2016.

My first thought was that they got "inspired" by ChromeOS.

​@Tano KDE is a "clone" of Windows... no siree you got that the wrong way around! Many features that would show up on the Windows desktop were in KDE quite some time beforehand. Lol. Look at the first version of KDE from 1996 with those big icons on the panel (taskbar). Took until 2009 for Windows to get that :P

@@babyboomertwerkteam5662 KDE takes a lot of UI influences from windows and Mac designs but has also been an influencer in and of itself at times. I would suggest that about any UI would need to take advantage of popular trends to varying degrees to stay relevant.

I was going to mention that. Laugh out loud moment. 🤣😂🤣

as soon as i got 10 I installed another browser.

@@sheilaolfieway1885 So, you installed Chrome? If so, that sure stuck it to the man.

Actually, I've used Edge several times... to download Firefox

​@@sheilaolfieway1885 And how is that working for you seeing that they are equally as bad as each other in their own way!

No problem!

Windows 10S? Sounds like you bought a super low-end computer

Nice 😂

Excellent choice. Mint is pretty good, but i still faile to learn how to install apps there the right way.

@@Raylightsen lol

Just a pity you cannot on sell the Windows 10 that you have paid for, but do not want - Microsoft should be shot for that one.

Welcome aboard the HMS LiNuX, sir! Me am user of Ubuntu ( Debian ) since August 2008, and now run Debian straight-forward on various machines. Best route so far!

What linux distro you are using and why? Im thinkink about switching

@@ciongutkhan8470 I'm a month late, but if you are just dipping your toes from Windows, I'd say Zorin OS is a great distro for beginners. This is where I am right now.

@@khango6138 im not really a begginer, but still I cant definitely say why use one distro and not the other out of SO many distros

Indeed!

And even that is so stupid.

But is looks like Apple

@@barrieshepherd7694 You're going to make the Applesiders hurt themselves laughing... :)

I’m sure once this information hits mainstream and the public realizes how much ewaste will be generated by these hardware constraints Microsoft will be forced to backpedal on these requirements.

@@jba2048 nah the point is they will be shameful enough to let these laptops go to the landfills

But, look, shiny new graphics!! Just throw away your perfectly functioning hardware and buy a new PC, and you too can enjoy new bitmaps and having a menu moved slightly to the right.

@Boodysaspie nope. Linux. As a unix sysadmin it’ll give me the push to ditch Microsoft altogether.

To some degree this is true. But earlier versions are secure until they cease to receive security patches (ie when programmers at Microsoft cease to play catch-up with the hackers).

Actually if you follow general secure practices it's very hard to catch a malware on unsupported OSes. And then there are hardening measures for older OSes to increase security without patches.

That's a true statement because once security updates stop being released then you are vulnerable to any new weaknesses that hackers find for any given OS. There are Linux distros that are far worse in this regard forcing full version upgrades in some cases on an annual basis.

@@alexxx4434 „if practice“ is the problem, sadly nobody does or cares.

taskbar sacrifices functionality for looks. which is dumb

Yeah, never going to happen but keep dreaming buddy

I would rather keep going on win10 other than moving to Linux or other platforms

You might think... but when I turned on my trusted module in the UEFI in preparation for a dual boot like always... now Garunda linux will not load. It's based on Arch so maybe other distros might play well but as it is now I'm forced to choose between the two... and as someone who needs the Adobe creative cloud for career reasons...

It runs on just about anything, it’s literally windows 10 21h2 with features

Have used Zorin 16 for one day, enjoyed it so far.

My pc still uses windows 7 but have upgraded to macos since Apple and Linux at least focus on making their computer os computer os unlike Microsoft making it for tablets.

A money grab. Detroit did the same thing only worse (GM, Ford, Chrsyler, AMC, etc).

The release date for Windows 11 is I think still "the holidays" -- with most bets being on sometime in October. We will not know about any reliable hacks until the final version is released -- or later!

MacOS is a lot more appealing now that the M1 is a thing and the M1 macbook air has been seeing heavy discounts lately. Might just make the jump once I can get a console for my gaming needs since I still do lots of gaming on my Windows machine.

The only reason why is stick with windows ,is Microsoft money .Been using for years probably no need for it these days ,but so used to using it

@@zen608 Yeah. I might just get an M1 Mac Mini or the next Apple Silicon Mac Mini once Windows 10 support ends on my laptop. Already have a tablet for mobility so I probably won't need a desktop OS except for desktop apps.

@@LOTPOR0402 the only reason I use Windows is because our office software needs Windows. Otherwise, I would've migrated to MacOS or Linux already.

@@zen608 where's the discount? I see the prices haven't changed.

You have till oct 2025 to upgrade.. The hardware shortage will be over by then! Its really a great thing how more secure your system will be once you upgrade. You should be thanking Microsoft.

@@northyland1157 Will it be over by then? It should have been over with by now. Moving Ethereum mining to proof-of-stake will help with GPUs, but scalpers will remain a problem until there's enough CPU supply to bring prices back down to MSRP. We can only hope these newly planned foundries will be online by 2025.

Hopefully not an immediate problem generally. This is not like on the Mac where a new OS release becomes the majority after a few months. This is Microsoft and upgrades, percentage wise, happen at a snails pace.

@@cgraham6 In the US at least, CPU prices are at MSRP and sometimes below.

@@northyland1157 It will be more securely in the hands of Microsoft, not more secure for the users. Corporations hate their customers. Remember that. They only want your money. Microsoft is the worst offender. There's no way they're doing it for you.

@Cindy SparkleFarts My daughters' computers have been replaced, one with a Ryzen 3400G system (that I had built for myself but never really used) and a Ryzen 4300G I bought for my wife but then decided to give it to my other daughter. I'm building my wife a Ryzen 3 4650G computer; the CPU should be here this coming Wednesday; I already have the other components.

I have one big question/concern! I know that linux really came a long way in the last years and now is easy to install and use, but, I'm one of those users that does not want to go and search for drivers, for compatible softwares or anything like that, I just want to tell google what program i want to download and I know that once the installer is on my PC I only have to click on it for it to work. My concern is that with some random programs I will be required (on linux) to "manually install" it. How is your experience? I also like the syinc of the documents, user settings and favorites on edge between my laptop and desktop. Is this feature also available on linux?

@@mastroitek 1: You can use sudo apt install (for Ubuntu based distros; just add the name after the command) 2: Edge is available for Linux, but I don't know if it will sync with other devices, but it should

@@mastroitek you have a graphical installer where you can search for and install apps on Linux.

​@@mastroitek Long post ahead, buy some popcorn. Usually, you don't have to go and search for drivers. I have installed Linux Mint on a Pentium 4! The only problem seemed to be that it used to freeze at random which at the time I attributed to graphics card driver issues, but I received word from a friend that I am mistaken as it could be due to faulty connections due to the age of the computer. So, unless you have some kind of bleeding edge hardware, you are good to go. Many vendors release Linux versions of their hardware drivers anyway now. You might have to learn some new programs, in case some program is Windows-only. It usually happens with propertiery programs, but it is getting increasingly uncommon. I am of the opinion, however, that if a program doesn't offer a Linux version, I might as well use something else if possible. As others have said, most programs are available through the distro's repositories. You can install them either through the command line or through the graphic "Software Manager" (names may vary by distro), similarly to Google Play Store. In some cases, you do have to install a program using an installer (e.g. .deb package), but it is handled through a different part of the software manager. I don't get what you mean by "manually install". In any case, programs offer installation guides detailing the process. You use EDGE? Who are you, Microsoft (3:10)? Jokes aside, I don't know if Edge for Linux supports syncing but you can always move to Firefox, it offers great syncing capabilities and you should be able to import the current settings from Edge. Overall, my experience with Linux has been excellent so far. I have used Linux Mint (daily driver for the rest of my family), Ubuntu (was kinda slow for my taste), Lubuntu (VM in my Windows computer to facilitate developing) and Debian (WSL and at school, both via ssh and using the GUI). I would move my computer there, probably I will do it at some point, but couldn't do it due to Webex's lack of support for a native client. I hope my analysis is useful. Tag me if you need to ask anything.

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If people move to Lennox it's not going to move to a more open environment. In the fact most likely it will move to a more closed environment. Fact of the matter is the end user does not wanna deal with Open Source shit, they just wanna run the application, for better or for worse. OS is not gonna be encouraged, the ecosystem will be as bad as windows in OS programs with the OS fanatics having extremely little say into the ecosystem.

@@donovan6320 Linux already is an open environment by nature and will remain that way regardless of future user adoption. I believe that by (windows) closing itself off more and providing less freedom to its users will most likely encourage people who DO care about having freedom of choice to move to Linux and/or at least encourage more attention be paid to free alternatives of some of Microsofts price gouged products. Open source simply provides an alternative for those who want more and (in many cases) better options. I think a lot of people stayed with windows for the main reason being that it was one of very few viable options, which isn't the case now, the average person most likely would prefer to use the hardware they have currently and don't want to switch to more expensive systems to accommodate an OS that provides little to no benefits and treks down a path with a model focused on selling more products rather than functionality. I do not believe mass adoption of windows 11 will work with the required hardware configurations needed.

@@kingofbubbles6220 The end user wants a computer that turns on and boots up office. They want everything to be plugged in play. They want a nice giy and be able to double click on an executable to install whatever app nl matter how insecure it may be. They don't care about updates or security, or app stores on PC and dispise terminal apps. To them those are the IT guys job. Power users, system administrators, etc are thr only ones who care For me I won't be switching anytime soon because visual studio is still the best .net code editor (I hate VS Code especially on multiproject solutions) and no office suite loads and saves .docx, .ppx, .xlsx etc reliably. Windows for me is the only choice.

@@donovan6320 My point is that Linux becomes a better option every day. I don't believe there's gonna be mass migration over to Linux, I believe adoption of windows 11 will be slow at best as "the end user" also doesn't want to buy completely new hardware (in a time where PC costs are through the roof) to accommodate a new mediocre OS. I still believe the average person most likely doesn't care about privacy and functionality, I think those who *do* care about it will probably be put off by Microsofts shifting standards. Edit: And terminal know-how is not as big of a requirement as it used to be, Linux has terminal functionality, just like how windows has terminal functionality.

@@kingofbubbles6220 It may not be a requirement but when every tutorial suggests it then it looks like it. Also that they would rather work in an environment that's familiar. Don't give them a .exe analog they are out. Microsoft isn't shifting any standards There are Enforcing standards they've required to be on every window certified PC for past 6 years. The only new thing is the cpu requirements. That still leaves even on 7th gen pcs some 8 years or so of life and most people upgrade every 5 years. There is no problem to the end user.

I agree. Except there are still not totally equivalent professional versions of programs that can truly replace the Adobe Creative Cloud suite. This is a big deal. So now you have to convince Adobe to port everything to linux or tell people to buy a mac. Also, many industries have developed 10,000's of custom applications they need every day that only work on Windows and nothing else. Unless linux has an easy to configure (which wine isn't) Windows compatibility layer that is virtually 100% compatible (which wine isn't) with all Windows software there will still be a lot of businesses and industries that will be totally dependent on Windows for many years to come. They will not be interested in spending the money and time to hire people to port all of their custom and vertical applications to Linux nor will many of the vendors who supply much of this software. Reality bites though I agree that otherwise Linux is now in a place to be a decent consumer oriented OS for a lot of people (not just engineers and programmers). There are still times when hardware is not supported though and though I am happy to use the command shell to fix things most people won't and sometimes it is still a requirement in Linux. For many people that will be a turn off to using it (average users who only want to use the software they need to get work done and not wallow in and dawdle around in the technical aspects of the OS). Fixing repositories, searching for and installing libraries and dependencies to get a package to install, and discovering that there is no stable driver available for the built in network adapter in your laptop, etc are not things people can deal with. I like Linux and its always had potential but there are still gotchas that have to be fixed and more standard ways of doing things that must be enabled in a common way (not 200 different versions or variations to accomplish the same task). Sameness is important for consumers. Consistency of operation and user experience are fundamental. There needs to be one standard high performance desktop GUI interface. There needs to be ONE package format that works well and doesn't run into constant problems with dependencies and versioning of libraries that breaks things. There needs to be one workable audio standard that works right. Hardware manufacturers have to be pushed to develop stable Linux drivers for all of their hardware that are also open sourced. No exceptions. Additionally, vendors need to dump M$ and offer only linux installed from the factory. Finally, Wine needs to be a seamless experience that works almost flawlessly with virtually every (even obscure) program and be able to install a windows program the first time correctly when you double click on install or setup.exe. No BS. No wasted time at the command prompt. No missing drivers or incompatible libraries. Everything has to work easily without fuss or wasting time playing around for hours at the command prompt.

@@jkeelsnc This is one of the best comments I've seen on this so far. I'm a huge fan of Linux, and have used it for awhile. I used Windows 10 for a long time, then switched to linux, and back to Windows 10. Linux is not a great Operating System for creative people. Like you mentioned, the Adobe Suite is missing, then there's things like music programs (fl studio, ableton), then there's construction programs (Revit, AutoCAD, Navisworks), then there's Oracle compatibility with things like SQLDeveloper (which I'm using for SQL programming and school, and I know MySQL works great on it), then there's android compatibility, even microsoft is realizing and is using the amazon store which sucks compared to google play, and this part REALLY matters this day in age. Then 3D animation software (Blendr doesn't cut it for some). Gaming is also huge. I think we might need to shift our gears into making Android phones and tablets more compatible with this kind of stuff. Android could easily become a full fledged desktop environment, and there's a lot of huge push from companies like Samsung who've created Samsung Dex (which is amazing and something I use a lot). Plus, Android is already built from a Linux framework and gives the user a lot of freedom that's really understated (especially with programs like Termux, and the ability to literally install a full-fledged linux distro on top of your android phone with very little compatibility issues). Phones are starting to become very fast. I think it's important we bridge this gap, and once and for all wipe windows off the market. Make Android compatible with legacy computers and desktops, and BOOM, microsoft has some steep competition.

I switched to linux mint on some of my PCs a year ago. It still takes some time getting used to it sometimes, but I never looked back. Need one win10 pc for some simulation programs though

@@jkeelsnc I don’t know if I’m 100% behind your idea that “there should be only ONE”. That’s the idea driving Microsoft’s whole attitude. Personally, I like variety. It just needs to be variety that works. So, not necessarily ONE, but compatible. I could work with that.

@@thinkingoutloud6741 this doesn’t work for most people. Too confusing and lack of consistency of operation from distro to distro will not work for the desktop. One well designed interface is what is needed if Linux ever wants to make it out of the single digits percentage of market share on the desktop. For hobbyists, software engineers, network administrators and other it staff like ourselves it’s not much of an issue but for average consumer or business person this Is a problem. Same with having multiple package formats and other things. Standards that create consistency are important. In this case sameness and conformity of design and operation are important. I know Linux people like ourselves don’t like to hear this but we exist in a different reality than the rest of the world. Also, virtually seamless compatibility with windows applications is important. There are too many custom and vertical industry applications that organizations rely on that are windows only and will never be ported to Linux. Where I work people use programs from years ago that are still very important and for which there are no affordable replacements because the vendor(s) sometimes been out of business for years and there are no opportunities to replace these systems any time soon. Linux would not even be remotely possible for a lot of our desktop/ laptop configurations unless it is essentially a drop in replacement that can provide easy, seamless almost 100% compatibility with all windows applications including obscure older programs. Wine would not work for this and many of the computers running these systems are too elderly to run vm’s with windows and there are not resources to replace any of these anytime soon. This is not as uncommon as you might think. Also lack of many truly professional grade software applications like the Adobe suite, sap, etc among many others are not available for Linux and wine will not run the latest versions of these programs. Again there-are many such programs in our organization that are used that are windows only and they cannot operate without them. So what is your Linux solution that will solve all of these problems with one drop in replacement OS that will run all of these applications and workloads using the current software with very little trouble or incompatibility? Will almost any windows program install properly? As a result of all of this and other reasons we will probably be stuck with windows (especially in business and corporations) for years to come. I’ve been using Linux for over 20 years waiting for a coherent Linux experience for corporate and consumer worlds and it’s not happening. For servers, iot, embedded use, etc Linux is brilliant. But is still very poor for the conservative locked in application world of the cooperate and organizational world on the desktop unless the entire Linux world community comes together and agrees on some standards and makes them all work extremely well and it will take 10,000s of programmers working 24/7 for years to make wine or similar compatibility layer nearly perfect and it will cost billions. It is a massive undertaking. Much reverse engineering and long nights of constant swearing and aggravation figuring out how MS implemented an operation or function will be necessary and the attendant headaches, arguments, stress, etc. It will Need to be a focused, determined, and completely committed long term goal organized by an army of expert programmers and software engineers for years to come to accomplish this.

It defaults to middle but you can turn that off and get back to having it on the left again.

@Tano - I think you miss understood my point. I'm saying you can move the mouse to the Start button in the lower left (like it has defaulted to since Windows 95 IIRC) AND click it without even looking. Your eyes can finish reading whatever while you move the mouse to the Start button without even looking. It's just faster there as you can't move the mouse past the lower left (unless you have a 2nd monitor there). Yes, it is only a second but my subconscious like to get a jump start before I'm even done reading (or whatever). Try it. But thanks to "ThatsIsJustCrazy" above, now I know it can be moved back to where it should be. It's not about complaining about new things but more about not changing things just to change them.

The start button position is selectable, it just defaults to centre at install.

I kind of like the Mac operating system, although what operating system I'm on doesn't matter much after I get the applications open.

@@GodisGracious1031Ministries will we still be able to pin apps?

actually ive been using a centered taskbar on my windows 10 and i got use to it :)

hmmm linux may take off

The last time I got excited about an operating system was when I changed from CP/M to DOS 3.3 - First version to support 3.5-inch, 1.44 MB floppy drives and diskettes, extended and logical partitions, directory tree copying with XCOPY.

09:59 And how can anyone believe that statement after what Microsoft lying about Windows 10 being its very last definitive version of its operating system?

@@apefish2266 linux lacks a bazillion features and lack-of interactibility that makes it so only tech-savvy people can use it. It's far from overtaking Windows, as the majority of the users have no idea what's even an OS.

@@Lucas-jb8ce Linux is like a tool by engineers for engineers depending on how you it's a plus and a minus.

Cool keep rocking!

@Esuard Leder That's what they said about Windows 8.

@@danielktdoran Yes, I went back... to WinXP!

I tried Linux Mint recently. It felt like something from the dark ages.

Honestly if it werent for MS office and visual studio (I hate VSCode for C#) I would lol.