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0:00 The Problem of my AliExpress Products
1:16 Intro
2:04 Why is Noise/Ripple Bad?
3:39 How to Measure Noise Correctly
4:32 5V UPS Noise Problem
5:46 Solution 1: Post Regulation
7:51 Solution 2: Component Improvement
8:39 Capacitor Replacement
9:55 Other Component Problems
10:49 Mini Boost Converter Fix
@Ryuseigan 11 місяців тому
Mad props for clearing up the mistake you made in the other video.
@greatscottlab 11 місяців тому
I am always open to admitting mistakes :-)
@uncannysnake 11 місяців тому
@@greatscottlab Didnt check it, but probably an edit of the previous video would be quite useful too. Not everyone in the future is going to watch both
@user-tj2qj5tm1f 11 місяців тому
Ich habe das gleiche Teil in Verwendung und mich extrem über das Ergebnis gewundert. Ich habe das Netzteil analysiert, da wir Industrie Netzteile suchen, die einen kleinen Formfaktor haben, programmierbar sind und ca 500W bei ca 50V können. Das Netzteil kam in die engere Auswahl. Das Ding ist wirklich gut, da können andere echt einpacken. Das einzige, es hat kein DIN Rail.
@stepheneyles2198 11 місяців тому
That was both an honourable and brave move, much appreciated! I was thinking to get one of those PSUs, but decided not to when you mentioned the output noise.
@pasterzppp 11 місяців тому
I've got this in my cart at Ali so now i can buy without doubts
@evanmayer744 Місяць тому
In my opinion, videos like this are some of the most powerful for all the DIY hobbyists. Like me, most of us have no formal training in electronics, but this video gives us very relevant reasons to try and wrap our heads around complex and somewhat arbitrary concepts. Having a broad understanding of what might cause noise or ripple on a power supply / buck-boost converter is in every DIY hobbyist's best interest. Please make more content like this!
@casstelles 11 місяців тому
The reasons for the component issue may be the lack of knowledge of circuit design, or they just wanted to get it out in a cheap and fast manner. No matter the issues, this video provides a workaround to this issue, and it makes the circuit useful. This the reason that I like videos like this.
@iXenox 11 місяців тому
Maybe they were using whatever came into the factory as well, no need to bother with a design you can't reliably manufacture.
@hugegamer5988 11 місяців тому
Even simpler. It’s not a decision an engineer would want to make, these are usually management decisions. It goes like: Engineer: Here is a stripped down minimum count and cost design like you wanted Management: it’s too expensive, cut something! Engineer: But it’s already stripped, it’s not going to work properly! Management: Here you go, make this cheaper because the last guy wouldn’t Unpaid intern: you got it boss!
@pneumantic6297 11 місяців тому
I doubt it. Something like this is quite fundamental. If the capacitor is 50cents then that is almost a 15% markup and they are competing with other low cost manufacturers. Adding in that cap will just make consumers look at both products, think they are basically the same, and then buy the cheaper alternative anyway.
@qazwsx000xswzaq 11 місяців тому
I suspect if the manufacturers have even tested their designs before putting them into production.
@vueport99 11 місяців тому
@@qazwsx000xswzaq they know full well.
@xXYannuschXx 11 місяців тому
It REALLY grinds my gears when a product gets ruined by bean counter measures. "Oh we saved a few cents on this device!" "But its complete crap now?" "Who cares? We get money!"
@haydenc2742 11 місяців тому
That's typical Chinese mentality...
@xXYannuschXx 11 місяців тому
@@haydenc2742 Not exclusive to chinese stuff.
@deserRGB 11 місяців тому
This is consumers mentality. People don't care. People want low prices.
@Prophes0r 11 місяців тому
"Who cares? We get money!" Welcome to Ultra Capitalism...
@GenMcGrievous 11 місяців тому
@@Prophes0r Applies to communists as well. Who cares, we all get paid the same amount of money!
@ramjetross 11 місяців тому
I was hoping you would do a video like this. Taking cheap aliexpress or ebay electronics that are ALMOST good enough and then cheaply modifying them to fix or improve their performance. You should make more of these.
@technobubba4 11 місяців тому
YOH - Chinese labor is getting expensive, between their demographic loss and "OUR" re-shoring the supply chain - enjoy while u got it. GOT DAT ??
@OneBiOzZ 11 місяців тому
You typically do not put large MLCCs on the output of a power supply because when they fail, they fail with a burn so you use small ceramic caps paired with low ESR caps
@tingoyeh4903 5 місяців тому
I am curious about your answer, so I get deep into it, there is an article from TDK, called"Guide to replacing an electrolytic capacitor with a MLCC", it recommends to replace with MLCC due to their low ESR, long life and small package, but one should be careful about their capacitance will change with temparature and voltage applied to them, also some ICs are intended for electrolytic capacitor, so it might cause some unwanted feedback with MLCC. Also there is a youtube video discuss about fail of MLCC called "EEVblog #1037 - Solving Ceramic Capacitor Cracking ". Large value MLCC can be cracked physically easily, and it might get shorted when that happened, I guess that's why modern hign-end PC motherboard still using the method you said, rather than pure MLCC method.
@matthewmaxwell-burton4549 11 місяців тому
Ah the classic current loop antenna, that’s why you were picking up all that noise. Any loop will act as a current antenna. And any length of copper, will act as a monopole if adjacent to a ground plane or bipole if connect to a center point. Good luck.
@hugegamer5988 11 місяців тому
People who liked this also liked working with RF designs, where furrowing your brow rotates you on the smith chart.
@TrickyNekro 11 місяців тому
Though the change he saw was huge and probably this is also telling for the EMC of those little PCBs.
@Prophes0r 11 місяців тому
That's why you should always use your devices inside a hermetically sealed bunker surrounded by 10cm copper plate, 1.2m lead plate, and 3m of grounded-steel-reinforced concrete. Everything should be made with pre-nuclear-test materials to reduce self-radiation. The bunker should also be carved into the base of a mountain, or built into the sea-bed with at least 200m of water overhead if you want to block those pesky cosmic rays. You still need to account for all the Neutrinos that can still easily get through, but luckily those usually don't interact with your electronics if they can get through all your other defenses.
@TrickyNekro 11 місяців тому
@@Prophes0r Just build your swimming pool over your bunker.... ppfff...
@mckryall 11 місяців тому
@@hugegamer5988 nothing like carving your own ground leads to get the ground loop as short as possible
@lookwhatidonemade.3306 11 місяців тому
1. To save money 2. The only people that are going to care/notice are people like us. 3. The people like us know how to fix the problem. My guess. Keep up the good work bud.
@Prophes0r 11 місяців тому
Care? No. The only people who are likely to KNOW why their thing fails, and also choose not to buy from the same supplier, are us. This is simply capitalism at work. It is more profitable to sell more of a thing that is cheap-but-bad than it is to sell something slightly more expensive-but-better, even accounting for the returns. And since you change the company name/registration for every product, you don't care about repeat business. It's a cynical take, but this really is built-in to the business plan nowadays.
@jonatan_leandoer96 11 місяців тому
@@Prophes0r no need to bring politics into this
@Prophes0r 11 місяців тому
@@jonatan_leandoer96 A. It's economics. B. Politics is in everything. It is inescapable, and the desire to escape it is part of the problem.
@jdotoz 11 місяців тому
Cost is its own spec. If you want higher performance for your use case, be prepared to pay more. If the performance of the cheap part is acceptable, you can pay less for something that satisfies you. ETA: And no, it's not "capitalism," it's scarcity. When resources are limited, it doesn't make sense to spend them on performance you don't need. You need Star Trek replicators to escape this, not a replacement political economy.
@Prophes0r 11 місяців тому
@@jdotoz Managing scarcity is the PRIMARY job of any economic system. It is WHY we have economies. (Ultra)Capitalism is a BAD economic system because the way we are using it now is tuned almost exclusively to "make money number go up" instead of ACTUALLY managing resource scarcity and distribution. So yes, the problem IS capitalism, because the SYSTEM punishes you for making things well if it costs less to make them worse. None of the economic systems we use now can handle short-term products that break prematurely. They can't self-regulate when there is too much turbulence.
@Stealth86651 11 місяців тому
Man, it's crazy how much you can accomplish pretty cost-effectively if you understand electronics. It's something I'm trying to learn, but it's not easy for me to understand electricity and how everything relates to each other. Thanks for the videos, they're helpful in slowly getting more understanding of things.
@boots7859 11 місяців тому
This is true for anything, from auto mechanics, plumbers, carpenters, yada yada. Outside of basic volts, amps, Ohm's Law, etc, electronics are going to require a fairly deep amount of study/work before you're going to be able to figure much out not too mention fixing a borked design. I've decided to spend the extra 25% or so for something thats generally been shown to be good vs trying to eke out the cheapest component/parts. If I'm trying to cobble something together, the last thing I want to do is be wondering if some pre-made component is even doing what I bought it too do.
@arthurmoore9488 11 місяців тому
Don't worry about some of these things. The higher the frequency the more electronics starts to look like black magic. That's even to people who have degrees in it or similar fields.
@nolansprojects2840 11 місяців тому
@@arthurmoore9488lmao, for real. I work in automation and the amount of troubleshooting I have to do with highly sensitive equipment near robots, or other high frequency loads is aggravating. Sometimes the shield isn’t grounded well enough, sometimes the shield is too small, sometimes it’s grounded too well and creates a ground loop that effectively acts like an antenna that picks up RF noise. Part of me loves it, part of me hates it. Haha
@hobbesip1 11 місяців тому
Man, I've been an electronics hobbyist since the late 1980's, and I'm always surprised at how little I know. Just keep tinkering. And when you get a chance to use an oscilloscope, seize the opportunity
@Rob34570 11 місяців тому
You answered it yourself- to save 50c
@danriches7328 11 місяців тому
That ringing on the switch node of the inductor can be suppressed with a snubber network and is easily missed, this I know from first hand experience! Also sometimes adding a beefy cap can make things worse, Mach1Designs did an EMC video on the caps and is very helpful in locating noise and killing it.
@CrispyCircuits 11 місяців тому
I never knew to check temperature to check out components in a design to see if good or bad. Only to look for a broken component(s) when fixing. Maybe they stole an incomplete design from someone else? Lazy? Possibly just stupid? 🎉 I am still learning. I bought an old radio/cassette player and a radio clock alarm that both work to study on. I will use your temperature trick to maybe improve them. Thank you for giving us a great channel with interesting projects.
@greatscottlab 11 місяців тому
Thanks for the feedback :-) And you are welcome 🙂 I love to make this show.
@chitlitlah 11 місяців тому
Your devices were probably made in the 90s or earlier, so I wouldn't count on them having the same trashy engineering as modern devices from AliExpress. Good luck with your endeavors though.
@hydrocarbon8272 11 місяців тому
High frequencies tend to cause caps & mosfets to heat, for different reasons, but the solution is pretty much the same: lower the resistance. Low ESR caps have much lower resistance, and 'bigger' mosfets have lower RDSon, which is essentially the resistance that causes most of their heat. It's always funny to see a low-tech troubleshooting technique on high frequency IC's. Elegance in it's simplicity.
@art58wong 11 місяців тому
Seconded. The diode temp probe is a precise method of spotting an overheating device. Slower but many times better than a finger touch. I'm impressed by your thoroughness.
@pejvaaksalimi2311 11 місяців тому
You are the example of someone who not only passes his exams but also completely understands what he has studied. Good work 👏👏👏
@evertchin 11 місяців тому
i love people who owned up their mistakes and correct them!
@HerbaMachina 11 місяців тому
9:47 your forgetting that at the volume they're producing these at the increase in BOM cost is even less at under 0.19 EUR / piece on orders of 1000. Probably also a slight price decrease at 10k and 25k as well. Therefore at volume this is likely no more than 0.15 - 0.17 EUR in parts, and the lower quality parts they're using probably cost 0.08-0.11 EUR, so we're talking about them pinching literal pennies to not have a better product.
@greatscottlab 11 місяців тому
True :-) That would make this story even sadder though.
@HerbaMachina 11 місяців тому
@@greatscottlab yeah unfortunately so. Though I know BigClive in his teardowns of electronics like this from china on aliexpress or otherwise mentions that they tend to have resistors and capacitors overdriven for their intended purpose for whatever reason.
@pappaflammyboi5799 11 місяців тому
Like literally around 0.08€ savings. That's really sad. Someone should contact the manufacturer and ask them to reconsider their decision.
@jonasstahl9826 11 місяців тому
@@pappaflammyboi5799 Dont forget about what the product itself cost spending 0,08€ on a 1€ board is a huge increase in price. For most stuff you dont need that clean power, so it is good practice to not build them in.
@pappaflammyboi5799 11 місяців тому
@@jonasstahl9826 8% is a huge increase in price? Ya, not really.
@joet4348 7 місяців тому
The tip at 9:56 about measuring temperatures to determine if reactive components have appropriate parameters was really helpful. That point alone made this video valuable.
@anders4u222 11 місяців тому
The electronic load might also introduce some noise, would be better to measure with a pure resistive load.
@Rich-on6fe 11 місяців тому
Yes this. Might be noisy as hell.
@hugegamer5988 11 місяців тому
I used a pile of old 1ohm 50W resistors to make a grid on an aluminum plate. You can jumper quite a few different loads and can dissipate lots of heat.
@aliveandwellinisrael2507 11 місяців тому
How long until the video where he adds a component to the electronic load?
@DirtyPlumbus 11 місяців тому
Great Scott makes a mistake: false noise signals I make a mistake: *MAGIC SMOKE ESCAPES* 😂
@avejst 11 місяців тому
Great walk-through of the process as always Thanks for sharing your experience and solutions with all of us 👍 😀
@makekingsponcacity3148 8 місяців тому
Quality Stuff! Thank you!
@WillieStubbs 3 місяці тому
I love that hot plate for component removal at the end.
@electronicswithemrys 11 місяців тому
Great video! It's amazing to me how often a single capacitor can fix big issues in electronics 😁
@jameslaine2472 11 місяців тому
You have quite an assortment of nice tools, that and the knowledge to use them properly makes all the difference
@pault6533 11 місяців тому
For the UPS I simply replaced the 2x220 uF capacitors with a 22 uF tantalum low ESR and a 470uF electrolytic as recommended by the chip data sheet. That cleaned up the noise. I used 1x probe and attenuation.
@TruthLoversKoSALAM-fg8dh 11 місяців тому
Can i use 2x 4700uF 16v on the output instead? I only have these at hand or the 10v 1000uF ones. 😅
@cateyenebula 11 місяців тому
Awesome! Ordered the power supply. Thank you so much for testing 👌
@greatscottlab 11 місяців тому
You're welcome ;-)
@sternrulez 11 місяців тому
My guess for why they didn't go the slightly more expensive route is sourcing. This is all guesswork mind you, but if they produce in house, it's only costing them pennies per. One thing I've noticed about Ali is many vendors offer the same product at different prices, so that would explain why they want to keep the price low...sort of a lowest bidder thing. Lastly, the 50 cent price you quoted is the retail price, so it would slightly increase their profit margin as they'd be paying wholesale. 😊
@boots7859 11 місяців тому
For a lot of stuff on Ali/AE, there are one or two companies making gajillions of these as OEM-Contract. Some resellers want different color silkscreen, some spec differrent values for some components to get a lower BOM, etc. Chinese business looks at cost cutting as the primary goal bar none. Doesn't matter if it impact the specs of these design, unless/until they are called on it and IF they can be forced to pay some sort of remuneration. It is always worth it to keep value engineering a design/product which leads to higher profit, until/unless they are forced to remunerate. There is not a lot of care/f*cks given for 'Reputation' as you see from Japanese, EU, Noram companies. Talk to some engineers from China, and they will all admit it. They don't like seeing their work cut down to out of spec anymore than anyone else.
@olafmarzocchi6194 11 місяців тому
This was a very interesting and also useful video! I found especially interesting the bandwidth limit on the oscilloscope. Can you make a video to explain why it's limited during official measurements, the implications about having strong peaks beyond that bandwidth limit and how to absorb them if so desired (I know this part: ferrites rings/beads around the wire). Thanks!
@astronautrajan 11 місяців тому
Thank you Scott I have that exact same boost converter now I have to just add that capacitor in parallel to my output terminal. Love your videos 😍😍
@reoproedros 11 місяців тому
i liked how you took the images of the components from the circuit and put them in a sketch
@greatscottlab 11 місяців тому
Thanks :-)
@GMCLabs 7 місяців тому
One of the 1st things our teachers told us at LTI is the difference between an expensive VCR and a cheap VCR is a 5 cent component. Like they will use a 1/4 watt resistor to dissipate a 1/4 watt of power rather than using a half watt resistor. Everything today is built down to a price, its the race to the bottom which got us lots of cheap junk.
@ivekuukkeli2156 11 місяців тому
The side ground pin in the oscilloscope probe is a very nice solution. A spring loaded measuring pin would still improve measuring a shivering hand (a so called test pin "needle" for production beds).
@greatscottlab 11 місяців тому
Thanks for the feedback :-)
@jasonpatterson8091 8 місяців тому
Honestly, if it's a $0.50 component, that's why they didn't include it. They're shaving pennies off of the price of these things and producing them in huge numbers with tiny profits to stay in business. A device that is 90% effective is good enough from that viewpoint.
@olgierd2001 11 місяців тому
I always see keysight sponsoring many electronics chanbels but it would be nice if you could make a video how it looks inside one of their mesuring devices (maybe you could get a broken one or something from keysight from their rma or something like that )
@marcfruchtman9473 11 місяців тому
Thank you for this video, especially the info on how to check for noise on the DC supply using an oscilloscope.
@lohikarhu734 11 місяців тому
BTW, good on ya, for showing the error in probing technique! It is *such* a common issue that it's kind of like "is the power plugged in" question for oscilloscope AEs !
@ginkyroginkyro4088 11 місяців тому
I think it is because of cost. Like the MT3608 boost converter, here in Indonesia it listed around 5200 to 6500 IDR (0.32€ to 0.37€). By adding the better ceramic capacitor priced 0.5€, imagine how much it affecting the price. For me, the initial design is more than enough, reminding the price is dirt cheap. Unless for specific reason I need to modify, like the one you tell about creating negative voltage, I'm set my expectation according to the price I paid 😅
@wpyoga 10 місяців тому
Well, a 20% 22uF MLCC costs 500 IDR (0.03 EUR) on Indonesia's Tokoijo, and the manufacturer would have been able to source it for cheaper. So it's not an excuse.
@gunspadow276108 11 місяців тому
Respect for owning up to your mistake and educating others! Thank you!
@tinkeringengr 11 місяців тому
Great video -- your educational content is phenomenal!
@didiersee 11 місяців тому
Congratulations from Belgium and thank you for sharing.
@ChristieNel 11 місяців тому
That's a wonderful example of what a difference good capacitors make. I'm amazed that the short probe ground wire makes such a difference. Have you tried measuring at 20MHz with the ground wire?
@oliverer3 5 місяців тому
It might be partially because it was so close to the unshielded switching inductor.
@romainfontaine2190 11 місяців тому
To reduce heat dissipation of lineal regulators consider using an LDO that has only 0.1 to 0.5V drop, and use a lower input voltage :)
@ucmRich 7 місяців тому
8:14 i love how you put the images of components next to the schematic components -- for those of us trying to take self learning electronics seriously, it massively helps our brains put to mind the components as if they were legos (but the various values of each 'lego' is like the lego color). Next after looking at this for a while as a reference during test building on our own, the schematic components begin to fit like a catalog in our brains before we even realize it. I hope i not sounding too nuts but this really works for my brain very exceleratredly, ty for this idea and i hope you and others do that much more often -- even if just once before you do the red pen work on the circuit would be a big help ^_^ p.s. i have loved your work for last many years, ty for keep doing your channel ! 😀
@flyback_driver 11 місяців тому
They might just do that now. We are constantly reinventing the wheel and working towards making something as efficient as possible. Thanks for the videos you put out man it has significantly added to my progression of circuit design.
@KF-bj3ce 4 місяці тому
Very clearly presented information, even I have understood this with my limited knowledge. Love electronic and what can be done with it. Thanks so much.
@Dante_Rubens 8 місяців тому
@GreatScott! In the video (11:11) you say "2.2uF", the link goes to a 22uF capa... What is right? Or do i just not understand? Thank you!
@PeetHobby 11 місяців тому
Great video again! 👍 When dealing with digital circuits, I rarely find myself having to deal with noise problems. Noise only becomes a factor when I'm working with analogue circuits. I often use a linear voltage regulator in combination with a low pass filter(LC or RC with low-value resistor) and of course decent decoupling for every chip. And it rarely stops there, one must consider whether circuit isolation is necessary to prevent current loops, as well as determine if guard traces should be implemented(for example an opamp circuit with high impedance load), etc.
@jonatanboy 11 місяців тому
I was struggling so hard to find the right keywords to google this exact problem… THANK YOU❤
@koushikb8128 11 місяців тому
Thanks Jeremy❤🎉❤ Need a video on how to design a LPF for a switching converter.
@lmbruguera 11 місяців тому
Nice, I have a project where I need this ups, thanks a lot, I wasn't looking for this at this exact moment but it just what I needed
@n3ttx580 11 місяців тому
Oftentimes, these boards are based around one key component, i.e. the regulator IC. If you were to reverse engineer the board and compare the resulting schematics to the IC's reference design, you'll find probably little to no differences. And very often, the designers doesn't really pay much attention to the textual parts of the datasheet that explains the values and different usage cases, or just use one calculation for all their product runs (i.e. the same capacitors for fixed 3.3V, 5V, 12V and variable variants of the board). Also, the reason they won't add it is cost and availability. They already most likely have tens of thousands of cheap small mlcc caps around, adding one to the output won't change the BOM cost by much, but also doesn't have to affect the output in the desirable way, or even hurt it. Thank you for showing us this
@RayRaytheGrape 11 місяців тому
I actually got the UPS from the last finding hidden gems video and it works really well
@greatscottlab 11 місяців тому
Glad to hear it :-)
@oyvindrepvik 11 місяців тому
@@greatscottlab I did too. Can the same value caps be used when the output is 12V?
@deserRGB 11 місяців тому
I also want to know. I bought 2 of each, 5V, 9V and 12V, for alarm/cameras and just in case. One seller has it for 4$ each and there was also 1$ from 5$ coupon for playing (and losing) in Go go match game, but this promo ended. So they were really cheap.
@RayRaytheGrape 11 місяців тому
@@oyvindrepvik I think so
@-MrDontCare- 11 місяців тому
I ordered the parts from Mouser, so now the two UPS devices going to get the upgrade. I even have 5 of those boost converters to that I will do the same with. Thanks for this great fix video. Great stuff as always. Now I just need to find a cheap-ass oscilloscope, so I can test other electronics I have lying around.
@danpetermann6509 11 місяців тому
I used to do component level troubleshooting for a manufacturer of cable tv monitoring equipment. Here is the answer to the question of why don't they use better components, at least for them. Their engineering team used 1% tolerance parts when designing and prototyping. They would hand off the list of components needed never specifying what tolerance (if any) of parts should be used. Naturally, procurement bought the cheapest stuff they could find. I practically begged management to let me talk to the engineering team. They finally brought one guy down. I sat him down, showed him the log I had been keeping, and the exact parts that needed tighter tolerances. In this case it turned out to be the inductors in a frequency generation circuit. The board pass/fail rate jumped to over 70% (it was in the upper 50's). My big reward for figuring that out was I got to be the end of the line guy. If I couldn't fix it, it went into the trash. I didn't last long there
@Bato2000 7 місяців тому
Thank you very much for the video. How could you make the UPS not charge the battery at such a high voltage? For example, charge it only at 4.1v to increase battery life. Thank you so much
@thedarksage328 11 місяців тому
Wow! Great job, and a very useful and informative video.
@alphaprot2518 11 місяців тому
One major contributing factor to noisy outputs on many cheap/Asian Aliexpress-alike regulators is poor layout. Take e.g. 8:50 - they use polygon pours to reduce impedance (good) and provide more thermal mass/lower thermal resistance (good), but all the components are still awfully, widely spaced, leaving still considerable inductances, which is especially bad on the switch node, as it has high current ripple. As V = L * di/dt and your L (trace inductance) is high, your di is high and your dt is small, this creates ripple noise. And as layout is something inherent to your PCB (it IS your PCB basically), you cannot easily change the noise created from bad layout. Even the best components can deliver embarrasing performance if you do not do the layout right. Remeber, electronics is not so much about charges moving, but about controlling and containing your fields. But there are far more talented people out there, which can explain that in much better detail and accuracy.
@j1952d 8 місяців тому
Do you have another link for the 5V UPS, please? The one you supplied seems to be dead!
@jaedenspider877 11 місяців тому
A lot of noise I deal with in electronics is 60 hertz noise because all the power supplies use a iron core transformer instead of a ferrite core transformer and the reason why that makes a difference is because all iron core transformers run at 50 or 60 hertz well ferrite transformers run at higher frequencies. And 60 hertz noise is very noticeable if you're using inductors and highly sensitive electronics
@seasn5553 11 місяців тому
This is actually such good content. I love learning this on my own even though i’m a CS student
@ashkansheikhi4420 11 місяців тому
thanks for all elctronic helping video and contents,good luck
@HardCoil 10 місяців тому
Thanks, I use those and don't have the knowledge or time to dive into this like you do. That was extremely helpful, since the fix doesn't require more than basic skills :)
@fusca14tube 11 місяців тому
Great, Scott! Amazing analysis!!! Thanks!
@greatscottlab 11 місяців тому
Glad you liked it ;-)
@stepheneyles2198 11 місяців тому
'If your PCB design is garbage' - had me in stitches, hope the sellers of that circuit see this video and take note!
@MCsCreations 11 місяців тому
Fascinating stuff! Thanks for all the tips, dude! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@greatscottlab 11 місяців тому
Thanks and you are welcome :-)
@mohammad.htarokh2891 8 місяців тому
You can also solve the issue with low esr electrolytic capacitors
@fixnreview 11 місяців тому
Thank u Sir for sharing! Salute!
@VorpalForceField 11 місяців тому
Excellent content as always,, Thank You for sharing .. Cheers :)
@csgperformance 10 місяців тому
50 cents can be a lot on a large scale production. Aluminum caps are easily replaceble and do less damage the board than the ceramic ones when they fail.
@brucehanson4147 11 місяців тому
Was just getting ready to send some Gerber files to the PCB place, now I have to make a few capacitor changes first. AAAARGH!...more work but I'm thankful for the knowledge! I get to Deutschland again I owe you a bier!...Prost my friend!
@CooLDEaFY4204Me 11 місяців тому
Great Scott!! You guys are so smart! I am amazin...
@ohaya1 11 місяців тому
I learned a lot in this video, thank you!
@princebanini 11 місяців тому
very informative video. well done. I realised this noise issue a while back and started favouring multilayer ceramic capacitors in my designs. Good to learn more in the video.
@joeteejoetee 11 місяців тому
EXTREMELY EXCELLENT PENMANSHIP SHOWN IN EVERY SINGLE VIDEO !!!
@tiborklein5349 11 місяців тому
0:01 VTEC just kicked in, yo!
@4bSix86f61 17 днів тому
The boost converter in the thumbnail will instantly combust if you accidentally short it.
@PedroBorgesNH 11 місяців тому
Technically, they didn't need to raise the price by 50 cents, the other 2 capacitors won't be needed anymore therefore the cost would cover these new 2. The reality is that this board was designed by someone that either didn't take noise into consideration by accident or didn't care about it at all.
@GunXter 10 місяців тому
You have my respect that you publicly admit a mistake👍 true engener
@moeburn 8 місяців тому
Yeah I've been trying to measure a gas sensor, and I've found that every USB power supply I plug my NodeMCU board into produces a different result on the gas sensor. An Apple iPad charger makes the analog measurement noisy. A Samsung charger makes the measurement get cut in half. It really makes a huge difference in my circuit.
@gianluca458 11 місяців тому
Well... I've got some of those mini boost converters and i already knew that something wasn't right. Only a small SMD capacitor on the output. On my projects when i used those boost converter modules, i always added some extra capacitors on the output (Both electrolythic and MLCC). DC-DC converters are INCREDIBLY useful in basically everything. I wanted to ask if you can make a video where you analize a 'special kind' of DC-DC converter, the one used in ALL car audio amplifiers: A single rail to double supply rail DC-DC converter. I could not find any appropriate schematics anywhere. This DC-DC converter is really useful but i just cant find a way to make a proper DIY version. A lot of people is probably searching a way to make this DIY... I think that a video about this topic will explode on views! (And help a lot of people too). A DIY version is really versatile, because you can have full control over both the output voltage and the power that the circuit can handle. It would also be a nice learning experience. With this circuit, a battery can run ANY audio amplifier!!
@Luke-san 11 місяців тому
There is a reason why I always use a high quality 100nF capacitors over Voltage rails and most of the times in parallel over bigger caps. You can clearly see a lot of garbage, aka noise, when not doing so. For reducing RF that these switched things can cause also use ferrit to stop interference. Some of these Chinese pcb's are really well designed and then you order another one and measurements are different. Bad capacitors, change in pcb layout to make it cheaper. A bit of a lottery. That last pcb, released some smoke on those. They will go into self destruct like you said, but I still like them a lot.
@fish-irl Місяць тому
Actually ended up using one of the smaller ones for an amp, and had added a larger capacitor to the output to support the bass. good to know it's probably helping with noise as well.
@ayandeepdutta32 11 місяців тому
the 2nd board you fixed with post regulation was like using duct tape to seal a hole in a boat
@linksmith1057 11 місяців тому
Two 100K ohm resistors, a 2.5 V reference diode, and an OpAmp and you can also get a very stable 5V with current up to the opamp’s output current rating. Also, thank you for admitting a mistake, many wouldn’t be willing to say that, very cool!
@HashanGayasri 11 місяців тому
I was confused when you mentioned the very high pp noise value in the prev video cz I have this power supply and it works according to specs and the manufacturer is very keen on improving their products. I also assumed noise pickup. Assumed adding a very small resistive load would fix it. Thanks for revisiting the test!
@fporcelli2009 6 місяців тому
I bought the UPS circuit in 5V and 12V versions, but I've received 9V instead of 12V, so from this video I've easily recognised the resistors to swap for the voltage divider, but buying the exact components is not feasible due to the shipping costs, so I went to the harvest route. The problem is that my multimeter is not very good at measuring resistance, so I harvested some similar resistor from another circuit that had similar resistance without really knowing the exact number. Well the good part is that I managed to obtain 7V, 10V, 13,5V and 20V and left it at 13,5 that is the most similar (also should allow more power and staying close to 12V during high loads). It will be useful to know the exact resistance, maybe you could pick it up again and make a couple of final upgrades: a potentiometer to regulate the voltage and an interruptor to disconnect the batteries when not needed. Maybe design a cool box 🙃. Having a clean output is not always critical, especially if I know such regulation is done at the receiving end.
@Luke-san 5 місяців тому
Just received mine, a 5V and a 12V. Will be using 1 for a solar project. Just be careful with the voltages! Capacitors seem rated at 16V max and I would stay at least 10 to 20% below that. Checked my 12V version and that smd resistor R7 has a marking 9092 which is 90.9 KOhm or 90.900 Ohm. Also the board has been changed as his has R7 and R7* . The R7* has turned into R12. I would always opt for a clean output. Spikes can produce noise on radios if you use longer wires and in some cases cause strange effects. I always also place a 100nF cap on the input and output.
@Knyght100 7 місяців тому
I've been subscribed forever an love your videos even though I don't understand the majority of them😅
@Drxxx 11 місяців тому
amazing, as always 😍😍
@DolezalPetr 11 місяців тому
this helped me, thanks
@zedcarr6128 11 місяців тому
The sign of a great engineer is admitting that you got something wrong. Experience is the polite name we give to our history of mistakes.
@shallowfrost 10 місяців тому
Mostly anything where you don't want noise (not audio/frequently changing output) you usually just have to add a capacitor to level the voltage
@stevebabiak6997 11 місяців тому
At high frequencies such as in these switching power supplies, standard electrolytic capacitors have too high of an “equivalent series resistance” (ESR) and should not be used in this type of application; that ESR leads to excessive heating. Low ESR electrolytic capacitors are designed for these applications. The small ceramic capacitor heating up is a bit surprising since they are intended for use with high frequencies; perhaps that was a cheaply made part, and that is why it showed a higher than expected temperature.
@greatscottlab 11 місяців тому
Or the ceramic one had to do all the work and was more or less "overloaded"
@djcalle1975 11 місяців тому
amazing content. thanks!
@slazinger 11 місяців тому
I always try not to use the GND spring, it is a bit of a pain. But yeah it makes a big difference for noise and "high" frequency signals
@Ziplock9000 4 місяці тому
Big man admitting mistakes, well done.
@xuzm 10 місяців тому
Is there any video or explanation how you can cool something down by adding more capacitors
@philippelhaus 11 місяців тому
I just like the quality of these videos
@grzesiektg 11 місяців тому
I gave you a sub. probably wont notice, but it's so eye opening. Your entire channel.
@fillempie1501 11 місяців тому
Hi, which (de)solderplate you use at the end of your video?
@WarrenGarabrandt 11 місяців тому
You can probably make a fair bit of money by designing neat little circuits like these that actually work right, and sell them on your store. I'd happily pay reasonable markup for something I know was designed properly, characterized, and tested.
@ampedandvolted 6 місяців тому
I would imagine the capacitor on the MT3608 boost converter is not included as it would reduce efficiency slightly and maybe in most cases isn't functionally needed? I could be wrong.
@RomanoPRODUCTION 11 місяців тому
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