The grind in Wt is soul sucking 😂

I have almost exclusively played WT naval (little planes just to unlock good bombers) and let me tell you…..few things are as satisfying when you’re on a roll with the Graf Spee….you literally feel like a god smashing smaller ships with your shells. Plus being a bomber and knocking out a ship while flying through clouds of flak is just awesome.

I can see the biggest annoyance with WT naval is you pound the tar out of ships just to have a teammate somehow take that kill leaving you an "assist". That would annoy the hell out of me.

My adult son was kinda intimidated by the detail going into wows, I can't imagine him wanting to invest the time in WT. He actually tried WT flight some years ago with several of his friends, but they didn't last long. It seems that though wows is more arcade, people can come in as new players more easily and do alright. Albeit, I think people do better when they know armor, pen angles, shell specs, etc. Good vid.

As Naval player since Naval CBT i can confirm.. Don't play naval unless you agree to 1.) Have the repair cost 2x much more expensive than the jet top tier cost 2.) Spaded the f out of entire ship since the RP gain on naval are quite sh*t without premium 3.)Agro by entire team cause you spawn to early 4.) CCCP bot that sometimes ddos the server 5.) Having emotional damage because your small PP can't penetrate battleship/heavy cursier belt armor

I like War Thunder for playing with a friend more, because of the respawn system. If I play with somebody and he gets destroyed early in WoWS, he has to wait for me and do nothing, in WT you have the whole lineup of vehicles you can respawn with or at least a backup for the vehicle you died in. And even if you both die early in WoWS you cannot use that ship until the battle ends, which is not the case in WT.

One aspect of the War Thunder grind I like, is that you don't need to play the previous vehicle to unlock the next one, so in theory you could unlock a BB by just playing cruisers or if you absolutely hate the ship, plane or tank before the next one you can ignore it. In World of Warships the Free XP is just way too little and to convert the ship extra XP to Free XP will cost real money so it is essential to stick to the previous ship even if you hate the thing.

There are two more differencies for me: 1. The details on war thunder ships better and not just when you watch them in the dock but when your ship get hit and different parts fall or blow out from it. 2. The sea in general: as the ship make waves or when the ship is turning and leaning aside or these affect for aiming makes me feel my ship is really on the sea. In wows I feel like my ship is sliding or carving on ice after war thunder navy. I play with both games but if I don't want to disappoint I play with wows first... Thanks for your comparative video, I experienced in the same way.

I'm not gonna lie I wish war thunder wasn't spawn and in the fight immediately. But I personally love the slow turns and the physics behind them more than wows. The internal damage and the one volley Salvo and hitting a mag room is just to satisfying. I wish wows would have the turning physics and DC like war thunder but I've definitely changed games and sad I didn't play it sooner. But I only tried it because of you playing it

My bigges problem with War Thunder naval. Is the enemy ships look like 2d carbboard cutouts.

has been waiting for this comparison. Thank you!

Always very informative.

I know its an Example but I feel like I should mention that From my experience on War Thunder Naval Putting out fires takes priority over anything else, since unlike World of Warships the Fire can and Will spread to other parts of the Ship depleting crew fast and with the chance of blowing up your magazines while the flooding can be managed by slowing down your ship

Awsome. Been a war thunder player up to my b17, did not know they were doing ships, might have a look at it now, as always a very informative video

And btw, easiest way to kill the ship in WT is by Shell Room detonation. Not sure why it wasn't mentioned in the video, even you killed Hyuga from Scharnhorst that way.

Warthunder Naval looks like it would be very enjoyable if a ship had two or more players as crew members. Kinda similar to Barotrauma I guess (since I've played that recently). You'd have a captain and a gunner essentially.

I don't play war thunder at all but the damage is neat, if they added that sort of stuff to wows, I'd play that again, ships should list, sink properly etc

One major thing I don’t think you mentioned about in the damage mechanics section of the video is that in war thunder you can bypass whittling down the crew on most ships by detonating the main ammunition storage. On ships like the Moffet, most British destroyers and Des Moines class, their easy to detonate ammunition storages are a significant weakness.

I like warthunder naval more because of the proper planes and its less arcade like

good comparison. Played both and you're spot on

Never play War thunder but I will try it one day. It would be fun with more simulation on aiming. :D

WoW Destroyers feel like Coastal vessels compared to War Thunder Naval.

Repair prioritizing also depends on your ship. If your BC or BB fires 1st breach Repair 2nd unwatering 3rd. Those ships hold water quite well. Fires eat crew up quickly if unchecked

I'm a War Thunder Naval player who recently started trying WoWS and you said almost exactly what I think between the two c= I do find the least grindy and more fast-paced nature of WoWS to be refreshing sometimes but I still prefer WT Naval One advice I'd give to anyone coming over from WoWS trying out WT is to learn how to aim and shoot without relying on the marker since it can help a lot in many situations not having to rely on it, there was a time where I forgot it was there so I didn't use it for a while and it helped making me better at aiming without it which is great, though of course once you're in long-ranged sniper ships you'd have to rely on it to be proficient

I had come across a Jingles video of Wows and thought WOW! this looks like fun. It became available on Steam a month or so later and fell in love. The relatiionship with this game is different today, but i do still enjoy it. I don't get that intrigue with War Thunder. Your monthly vid is enough for me. Good content. Thank you

The thing is ships in War Thunder they don't have HP bars per se like World of Warships does if you want to take down a ship in War Thunder you have to hit critical engine and ship components to bring it down. That's why you're able to one shot tanks in the tank section of War Thunder because it functions off the same damage model. And ships are literal the biggest tanks we have, makes sense that they could take a ton of fire and just keep trucking along.

I feel like comparing both games is like OW2 vs TF2 While WoWs require teamwork, less player/team, just one noob can ruin the entire game. While WT people just don't care much about objectives and try to blow other's shit up.

things i wish WoW borrowed from war thunder: sound. the sound fx like guns firing just sounds so good; like im on the deck of the ships themselves, very immersive. WoW sounds more muted like im in a spotter plane watching the battle. and AA vs planes, so good. things i wish war thunder borrowed from WoW: aiming aids. if they're trying to simulate a real ship with crew, then they might as well simulate all the crew that does the firing resolutions and calculations for you. there's really no reason to let you (the captain) make all the calculations urself (thats actually less realistic). i think as a game, it would be more "fun" if they do the rough calculations for you (ie WoW) and let you do the finer adjustments based on player skills.

This should be interesting!

I remember playing WT years ago. Got up to the Bearcat and suddenly every match I was getting shit on by jets, because for some reason the matchmaker took my highest value plane and put me up against the lowest value plane everyone else had. If you want an indication of how long they've had these balancing issues, when I quit they were just starting to pioneer ground forces.

Citadel is a term specifically for the internal, armored box around the engines and magazines. My understanding is that these are the only areas WoWs cares about for citadel calculations.

I’m on Play Station so I have WOW Legends to compare. I’m usually playing war Thunder because I like how it feels to control the ships even though aiming is frustrating at times. I’m also not a fan of the Legends in game shop. It costs a lot of real money to get anything and I will be grinding a very long time to get my in game credits back up to a good level.

Really enjoy WT in ground and air, but wows is so much better with the economy and repair costs.

The grind in WT is an absolute disaster.

I haven't played WT & will not start, I have too much time invested in WoW over the past 6 years, I have over 150 Ships & Captains. I love that the games in WoW are short, I used to play a online World War game that took weeks, months or in a few games over a year to finish.

What 3rd party app to you use to see the 3D view of internals for wows

That lead indicator is so silly. Every monkey can connect shots now. I miss old naval War Thunder

Well based on this video and prior knowledge I’ll stick to wows! Thanks for the update

22:00 Yeah, Gaijin's whole monetisation scheme is to make the game so annoying that you'll spend money to ease your suffering.

As a WT player I'm jealous of WoW's UI and terrain graphics, it's so nicer looking. WoW's map looks really cool too. The islands in WT are fairly ugly lol.

How that Scharnhorst moves like racing car on track?

WT is generally a good game but from what I've seen, only till tier 3-4 if you're not willing to pay for premium. The two things I find more bull are having to research fire & repair (as you said) and the fact that xp or sl bonuses that you earn in game disappear from your inventory in 3 days, you can't just save them for later. That imo is completely unnecessary and overly predatory.

Even with all its faults (and it has many), I prefer WoW. Educational as always SL.

I just got into World of Warships and have played Warthunder Naval for awhile. I agree that unlocking the vehicles takes less time in WoWS BUT unlocking the commanders to get the good skills for them is horrible. The currency to get them is time gated and a very high 175k coal. Even though Warthunder may take awhile to unlock a ship, it can be accomplished depending on your play rate and that's it, unlocked is unlocked. I think WOWS has the more frustrating system tbh.

now we need to do it again bc wows went wild with qol graphics

you can save costs by not paying for repairs and shell after each match. the only downside of war thunder is that the time for the reparation is in game time and not off game.

"Take 3, ACTION!", always good to see a comparison between the 2 games. War Thunder will always be the more "realistic" of the 2 particularly if you play in Realstic or Sim mode, while World Of Warships is more "pick up and play", easy to learn hard to master. OH GOD THE GRIND, yeah WoWS wins in that department HANDS DOWN, with some dedication (even with a job) you can get to tier 10 in a few months. War Thunder.....your grinding for YEARS if you Suck.

As a ground and air war thunder player, I hate naval in this game. It's just bad. And Gaijin hates it too.

I noticed every shot of WT your ship always had a broken gun, is that always the case?

I am so glad when I got into "battle games" I bought DCS on sale. Have never had the urge to touch warthunder. I only play wows because I can't get my friends to play dcs with me.

great video as always :P

WT advice... NEVER play coastal. It's the crappiest thing ever invented. Go buy a mid tier generally cheap Destroyer (around 4.7-5.0 BR) in Bluewater , and by the time you finish the tree you'll already have a good amount of SL (main currency) to spend everywhere.

The WT grind: I have 6000 hours in that game... I still don't have every tanks line in every nation done... okay I have done planes a bit but still.... in 6000 hours a WoWs player will have researched and resent a few lines. Unlike WoWs, you need to get good if you want to get to top tier. Or buy your way in but that isn't the point. WT is great fun after the first few 100 hours

@Sea Lord Mountbatten :Reinstalled warships after i reinstalled war thunder. I Tried both games on release and now again and i must say your review is how it is.

repair is free in warthunder if you have premium. you get one free fire extinguisher and can unluck a secound. parts is also stock but you can upgrade it to be better and the one who does most dmg to a target gets the kill and you get xp based of % of the dmg you did alot have changed the last 6 month

i grinded almost whole US tech tree ships in WT just because it's easy to complete event tasks in naval, and let me say, even though wows is more "casual", WT is way more easier to play. let me guide you into WT naval gameplay: 1. Pick your ship and spawn 2. click "shift" (by default) and find closest target 3. wait for green and aim your guns 0.2-0.4 km closer 4. hold left button There is no simulator part in this game except slowness of ships

Crew is one way to kill a ship. Wouldnt call it main way. black out sections...youre ship is destroyed. flodding yes - or torpedos can take you out instantly depending on the hit. But nice to see WT naval again....:)

The thing I can’t stand about WT navel is that when you start , it’s like your just throwing rocks at other ships . The ships are so far away , aiming for certain sections of it to do damage is almost impossible and even if you do hit it , it does do little damage you are just basically clicking and in zoom for 10 minutes. I assume it’s better when you get the big bastards but that’s such a grind why bother

How can I figure out what kind of heal my ship has in wows

Economy in WT... you forgot to mention you can grind an entire line with a single vehicle and only play the ones you want. This sorta replaces the fxp side of things. And premiums offer the fastest way to grind them. Also check out enduring confrontation in wt for naval, matches can go for hours (you don't have to stay for the whole thing) it's a bit of an improvement over the random battles where you can shoot from spawn to spawn.

that's why i love war thunder.

For me.. Who only plays arcade Warthunder, I find it much more enjoyable than my last experience with World of Tanks... The gold spam in the game just got annoying. Yea Warthunder has those one shot tanks but no premium ammo on anyone. I love flying planes too in Warthunder. However, I am not a fan of Warthunder Naval, I will keep playing WoWS. It's a skill issue not a game play issue, I just don't feel like figuring out right now lol

Been playing WOWS since 2017 (EU + NA) and WT since 2018 (mainly tanks and planes, in Naval mostly coastal, a bit of blue water). Both games are "good/great" and definitively both games have their issues. Over the years, personally I prefer playing WT over WOWS as I enjoy more the variety offered within the game (modes: arcade, realistic, simulator, custom battles, missions, user made missions be it for planes, tanks, helis, ships individually or all of them combined). Ref. WT Naval, we often play "custom battles" and do boat racing with coastal ships (upto 60 boats !!!, some boats can do upto 132 kph in arcade mode) plus 4 helis for aerial race footage. It´s just so hilarious for having ridiculous fun. Imho, one can do way more "silly" fun things in WT than WOWS, if one wishes to do so. Just go have fun in WOWS and/or WT, it's just a game !

War thunder in general is supposed to be a more realistic vehicle combat game, vs World of (Tanks, Warships, Warplanes, etc) The mechanics for WT are supposed to be more complex and harder to use because of the "realism" of the game

stopped playing wows when the carriers got turbo-nerfed, and will play wt naval when the french navy will get out of beta

i dunno I've tried War thunder Naval a few times and i struggle getting into it, The guns don't sound as good, the aiming kinda sucks and feels weird, while the ships do feel massive, as they should, WoWs to me is just a better experience. Now ground forces and planes WT has Wargaming beat hands down though

love the warthunder vids but ships dont hva e historically accurate armor especially Haruna Kongou and Newport news that i hvae noticed

Do you play WOTS? Thoughts?

So… I just started World of Warships, LEGENDS…. I’m trying to figure the game out

Sounds like I wouldn’t like War Thunder too much. Might try it anyway at some point.

Warthunder is just more realistic where World of Warships is more arcade

I like war thunder for realism and wows for the arcade aspect of some serious gameplay

i don't doubt war thunder is fun, it's just that as of the moment they don't have a selection of ships like wow. warspite, vanguard, yamato, tirpitz, it just feels different to play as your favorite ships

I disagree that WoWs is "standardized". I think the game looks "standardized" on surface, but like you said, it has many "behind the scene stuff" which leaves a lot of room for developer manipulation. "Overpenetration" is the most prominent example of this.

I hope so see more ships added to WT. I've never played WOW but what tempts me to try it is that they have a way better selection of ships. Like how is Bismarck not available in the German line? My hopes of ever seeing more ships added is low.

Its actually dumb how maneuverable battle ships are in warships. Huge heavy battle ships shouldn't be able to stop and go and turn on a swivel the way they do.

as a long-time player for both, wt economy is to make you spend real money and it sucks.... jets, tanks don't play ship in wt so I don't know and the maps sucks for top tier...can kill each other from spawn

The grind in WT is more enjoyable then WoWS as you do not need to use the vehicle before it or grind 200k free xp. You simply find what you like and play it and the rest just comes along. I also don't like how recently most "events" in WoWS are forcing me to open my wallet to get anything out of it

I gave up on WOWS to much BS to deal with. I now play WT Naval and enjoy it. But the Grind is so slow.

imo the main difference between the games is the exp grind and monetization. Gajin is simply worse than WG when it comes to rewarding the player or the value and need of prem currency. i enjoy warthunder game mechanics but getting to tier 7 on any tree is just a pain in the ass if you dont want to spend money. meanwhile i didnt spend anything in wows for a year or so and i still get prem time and currency out of crates or missions. i have dubs and prem time WITHOUT paying in. something that would never happen in warthunder, to me at least.

Ita funny cause i like WoWs way more then WT Naval but i like WT Tanks way more than WoT

I've been hard on WT the past month playing the Japan tree. I've got the Kikka now for Air and I got Aoba and Agano for naval. The experience with Aoba and Furutaka has been pretty nice. The problem with earlier IJN ships is literally like 2 AA guns per side... but once you get Aoba you actually have some AA. Nothing more satisfying in the game than shooting at a completely healthy ship and hitting their magazine and detonating them. It's the most reliable way to sink anything on Naval plus the quickest. When you select a target the crew will automatically set the fuze timer on any type of AP shell, so at any range shooting at any kind of ship you can do devastating damage or just outright detonate them if you aim correctly and the RNG says yes. Not as reliable with SAP unless you're close but standard AP does very well pretty much all ranges unless it's a BB for obvious reasons. Honestly I'd recommend sticking with it even with Scharnhorst shooting at DDs Sea Lord. The aforementioned fuze setting being the reason. Aim for the Magazine. There is a crew skill that's supposed to help with the accuracy of the fuze setting. I actually even detonated a Portland with Agano SAP yesterday. Went and looked at the armor breakdown for Portland vs. Agano SAP and at the 4km range there was a small spot about halfway up from her waterline under the turret that could be penned by it and cause magazine detonation. Also shooting a Light cruiser sitting in spawn spamming me with one shot and killing them immediately is just instant satisfaction and justice.

World of warships is really painful for free player

The only thing i disagree with is the grind. World of warships is absolutely miserable if you don’t have premium

i like them both, warthunder just takes forever to get a match

For the Algorithm!

I really hate grinding war thunder

Sadly wt can balance only the battle rating or else an angry gamer will leak secret goverment documents

My biggest complaint in WoWS is the submarines and the overall mechanics around them. They are absurdly broken to the point where they hunt destroyers and not the other way around. You can't be hit at all if you are 1m below the surface. You can dive instantly. Destroyers don't actually have sonar, but subs do? Stuff like that. Incredibly toxic to gameplay. Subs basically broke the game entirely and it's why I no longer recommend it.

Both are free so I just play both 😄

Even though im a warthunder player i like world of warships naval better

Problem with both games is cheaters/hacks and if you say that cheaters is a problem you get banned from chat.

I like the fact that you went in depth into it, thats cool. I can't play War Thunder Naval at all. I've tried to give it a chance. I tried to let it grow on me. I've tried to give it due course. The problem I have with the game is its "Simulator" HUD. I can't do it. Its a perfect example of "Information Overload." If you have played it for years or however long its been out, maybe you can get used to it. For me, its gives me a headache. Thats literally the only reason why I dont like the game, it gives me a headache. After three or four games, I'm just done playing it. I feel like I've been in a really dark room watching a white screen for hours. Not to also mention, I feel wore out and feel burned out. My friend put it to me in the best way. It feels like fighting a battle while looking through a straw. The Graphics, Mechanics and Flow of Information are consistent and are OK. The problem is its replayability. There is a reason why these ships are manned by crews of hundreds and all that info is fed to the player for all aspects of the gameplay. Im sorry but thats just craziness and overwhelming.

WT is better. Only bad things about it are 1) Graphics. They really look outdated 2) Interface is too new player unfriendly. Takes time to get used to it 3) Few ships. I'd like to see more, ik that they do planes, ships&boats and tanks at the same time and it's hard to do everything at the same time, but man i really do want to see more ships. Rest is good. I like WT much more

WoWS= Arcade, WT= Simulator.

warthunders grind is so god awful. one of the biggest reasons i quit

War Thunder naval is awful. Half the team is chinese bots and the grind is horrendous (although less worse than helicoptors). Everything about it is designed to frustrate players into buying premium ships ( which is a double edged sword because the best premium ships are at BRs with the aforementioned chinese bots). WOWS is better in almost every metric. With the way the BR rankings are now coupled with the ability to bring in aircraft its going to be hilarious in the future when late war ships will be going up against cold war jets with guided ordnance. I suspect it'll end up like late tier ground (rush to get a few points>get into missile heli early and crap on every tank who cant do anything about it), just changed with planes and ships.

I haven't read all comments but the economy is being fixed with premium you nolonger lose SL. Idk how you lose money with top tier german naval lineup. Especially if you regularly finish in top 4. I use that lineup to get SL back. Gamertag MA3_Van if i see you out on the high seas of WT

The biggest thing about War Thunder naval that turned me away was matchmaking, though this was before the split in Blue and Brown water naval lines. The fact that I was taking a 1914 destroyer against ships from the 60s and 70s just turned me away from big ships. Also, once I was beyond PT boats I found that ships became less fun as they got slower and harder to steer. I just don't think a realistic take on naval combat is very fun. I still play WoWS, always coming back and having fun after short breaks. For as much as I dislike things like submarines, I find the core mechanics to still be solid. As much as Wang Gaming fucks with the community it would be harder to add ridiculous things like attack helicopters and missile launchers than it is for War Thunder.

The War Thunder brand is aimed at far more realism.. WoWs is way more arcade